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The name Diamond Foxx made me think of that game about finding out your porn name...you take the name of your first pet and the street name that you lived the longest growing up...my porn name would be SoSo Wooten 😂 i'm sure some of you must have better ones than that!! Hahahahaha

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1 hour ago, Pixilicious said:

The name Diamond Foxx made me think of that game about finding out your porn name...you take the name of your first pet and the street name that you lived the longest growing up...my porn name would be SoSo Wooten 😂 i'm sure some of you must have better ones than that!! Hahahahaha

Rusty Oleander.

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Ugh for me for researching the "facts" of porn granny a bit more.  Two different sites says she worked in real estate before she started in porn.  I basically do think there is something to her RE career and investing,

The net worth websites which have all got to be mostly guesses, list her net worth at 1M, 1.2M and also 12M.  Assuming she has some $ and free time, that would go with her staying home and caring for her family.  I assumed in the very beginning that $2000 per film would yield about $50/year (consistent with the cncbc article) and if hubby was also working they could conceivably stash some dough away/invest.

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2 hours ago, Pixilicious said:

The name Diamond Foxx made me think of that game about finding out your porn name...you take the name of your first pet and the street name that you lived the longest growing up...my porn name would be SoSo Wooten 😂 i'm sure some of you must have better ones than that!! Hahahahaha

Those are also common online security questions. I wouldn’t recommend playing that game.

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I read comments here for awhile and it seemed like a good, friendly forum to join...i wouldn't even know what to do with someone's pet's name or street name to connect it to anything in their real life...i'm sorry if i pinged on someone's paranoia 

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5 minutes ago, Pixilicious said:

I read comments here for awhile and it seemed like a good, friendly forum to join...i wouldn't even know what to do with someone's pet's name or street name to connect it to anything in their real life...i'm sorry if i pinged on someone's paranoia 

Not accusing you of anything, just a friendly word of advice/caution. You can’t be too careful.

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1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

Ugh for me for researching the "facts" of porn granny a bit more.  Two different sites says she worked in real estate before she started in porn.  I basically do think there is something to her RE career and investing,

The net worth websites which have all got to be mostly guesses, list her net worth at 1M, 1.2M and also 12M.  Assuming she has some $ and free time, that would go with her staying home and caring for her family.  I assumed in the very beginning that $2000 per film would yield about $50/year (consistent with the cncbc article) and if hubby was also working they could conceivably stash some dough away/invest.

I've heard those net worth websites are ridiculously off.  Carol Radziwill said she is no were close to the net worth claimed on those sites.

But I'm hoping that she does well, both in porn and in real estate.  She is a beautiful woman and hopefully a really good influence in Bryson's life. 

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7 hours ago, Pixilicious said:

The name Diamond Foxx made me think of that game about finding out your porn name...you take the name of your first pet and the street name that you lived the longest growing up...my porn name would be SoSo Wooten 😂 i'm sure some of you must have better ones than that!! Hahahahaha

Snooper Canary.  I'm never going to make it in porn🤣

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13 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I agree that she's a beautiful woman; see my first post.

Now, I have to ask the question:  If the porn industry treats their women so well and better than most corporations, why are you admiring her for "being strong enough for staying in the game so long and for being what appears emotionally healthy. " Your comment suggests that it is rare, next to impossible to be emotionally healthy and strong in the industry you said treats their actors better than most corporations treat their employees.  Seemingly, someone that works in such an empowering industry would be strong and emotionally healthy and this would not be a rarity.  Can you explain this disconnect?

I did not say there is anything empowering about porn. Please direct me to where I did. Maybe I smoked too much crack this week.

Have you worked for a large corporation lately? They treat employees like indentured servants. A good studio treats their employees like adults, pardon the pun. Adult work grinds you down, even if your employer treats you well. It’s the nature of the beast.  Still not as horrible as being a call center worker, though. 

This forum needs a damn Snickers.

7 hours ago, Pixilicious said:

I read comments here for awhile and it seemed like a good, friendly forum to join...i wouldn't even know what to do with someone's pet's name or street name to connect it to anything in their real life...i'm sorry if i pinged on someone's paranoia 

Don’t even worry about it. I think someone’s been passing around some bad virtual Ecstasy or whatever lately here. 

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6 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

Snooper Canary.  I'm never going to make it in porn🤣

😂 join the club

2 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

I did not say there is anything empowering about porn. Please direct me to where I did. Maybe I smoked too much crack this week.

Have you worked for a large corporation lately? They treat employees like indentured servants. A good studio treats their employees like adults, pardon the pun. Adult work grinds you down, even if your employer treats you well. It’s the nature of the beast.  Still not as horrible as being a call center worker, though. 

This forum needs a damn Snickers.

Don’t even worry about it. I think someone’s been passing around some bad virtual Ecstasy or whatever lately here. 

Thank you, Mu Shu...i appreciate your kind words ☺

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3 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

I did not say there is anything empowering about porn. Please direct me to where I did. Maybe I smoked too much crack this week.

Have you worked for a large corporation lately? They treat employees like indentured servants. A good studio treats their employees like adults, pardon the pun. Adult work grinds you down, even if your employer treats you well. It’s the nature of the beast.  Still not as horrible as being a call center worker, though. 

This forum needs a damn Snickers.

Don’t even worry about it. I think someone’s been passing around some bad virtual Ecstasy or whatever lately here. 

Could not agree more.

6 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

Snooper Canary.  I'm never going to make it in porn🤣

Kiki Anzio.😂😂 (Navy base lol).

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2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Have you ever researched what former porn actresses say about their time in porn?  Do you know someone in the industry?

I worked as a stripper, dominatrix, and web cam girl. I did simulated porn with Teri Weigel. I used to produce cuts of the other web cam girls. I know a few other porn actors, including Tiffany Mynx. She was the shit in the 90’s. God, I even met Kathy Willis, who adored doing porn. 

Seven total years in adult, 20 in corporate. Adult is full of good, fun people. Corporate not so much. The problem with adult is that no matter how mentally healthy and open about sex you are, at the end of the day it’s an intimate activity you’re selling and it gets to you. The ones who stay often use drugs or alcohol to cope. Porn Granny stayed, hence my comment.

You just found a dog who can hunt. 

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1 hour ago, Mu Shu said:

I worked as a stripper, dominatrix, and web cam girl. I did simulated porn with Teri Weigel. I used to produce cuts of the other web cam girls. I know a few other porn actors, including Tiffany Mynx. She was the shit in the 90’s. God, I even met Kathy Willis, who adored doing porn. 

Seven total years in adult, 20 in corporate. Adult is full of good, fun people. Corporate not so much. The problem with adult is that no matter how mentally healthy and open about sex you are, at the end of the day it’s an intimate activity you’re selling and it gets to you. The ones who stay often use drugs or alcohol to cope. Porn Granny stayed, hence my comment.

You just found a dog who can hunt. 

Thanks for sharing that, Mu Shu. And now I have so many questions. None prurient, just purely sociological. Mostly about the "treated well in the work vs. it gets to you" and what that says about who's right in the pro vs anti porn feminist debates.

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4 hours ago, Jel said:

Thanks for sharing that, Mu Shu. And now I have so many questions. None prurient, just purely sociological. Mostly about the "treated well in the work vs. it gets to you" and what that says about who's right in the pro vs anti porn feminist debates.

I have questions, too, but mine are because I am just too damn nosey. ☺

I didn't grow up on a street, just a holler. I guess Tatum Cave isn't a bad porn/stripper name, though. (Though "cave" is kind of pushing it.)

I have been trying to hold off on watching the preview of tomorrow night's episode but, as I said, I am too damn nosey. I have zero patience, too.

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4 hours ago, Jel said:

Thanks for sharing that, Mu Shu. And now I have so many questions. None prurient, just purely sociological. Mostly about the "treated well in the work vs. it gets to you" and what that says about who's right in the pro vs anti porn feminist debates.

Most of my coworkers and managers were awesome people. I’m still friends with some. It’s the clients who get to you after awhile, and really the majority of them were good people too. After awhile, you lose your privacy and the objectification wears you down. 

I’d still do that first year of stripping again. It was pure magic. 

I’m not the best person to ask about feminism. I’ve always done what I wanted to (except the last 20 years of straight work), and got by with things men couldn’t pull off. It was all about making money and being free to me. 

I dreamed last night my porn name was Kiki Konstantine. 

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57 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I have questions, too, but mine are because I am just too damn nosey. ☺

I didn't grow up on a street, just a holler. I guess Tatum Cave isn't a bad porn/stripper name, though. (Though "cave" is kind of pushing it.)

I have been trying to hold off on watching the preview of tomorrow night's episode but, as I said, I am too damn nosey. I have zero patience, too.

I hate to disagree Mama. Cave is pretty spot on. You were totally made for porn....

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41 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Most of my coworkers and managers were awesome people. I’m still friends with some. It’s the clients who get to you after awhile, and really the majority of them were good people too. After awhile, you lose your privacy and the objectification wears you down. 

I’d still do that first year of stripping again. It was pure magic. 

I’m not the best person to ask about feminism. I’ve always done what I wanted to (except the last 20 years of straight work), and got by with things men couldn’t pull off. It was all about making money and being free to me. 

I dreamed last night my porn name was Kiki Konstantine. 

I was a nude model for artists and for students at a university (figure drawing classes) for years and I loved it. I know it isn't the same, but it really increased my confidence and in 9 times out of 10 rather than feeling awkward or uncomfortable I was the one trying to put everyone else at ease. The money was amazing. My mom used to buy some of the pieces and it was funny to see people take second looks at the paintings and sculptures in her house, trying to figure out if it was really me.

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I only know that I'd like my porn surname to be McMasters.....not sure what I'd like the first name to be, but it would have to be something as fabulously porn as my last name. 

1 hour ago, Mu Shu said:

I’d still do that first year of stripping again. It was pure magic. 

I’m not the best person to ask about feminism. I’ve always done what I wanted to (except the last 20 years of straight work), and got by with things men couldn’t pull off. It was all about making money and being free to me. 

I dreamed last night my porn name was Kiki Konstantine. 

I always assumed that was the end game of feminism.....for women to freely do what they WANT to do (as long as it's legal and not hurting anyone).

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12 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Empowering has been a word thrown out here; I did not mean to say that you were the one but your comments certainly make it sound like it's the best industry EVER.  And yes, I work for a large corporation and they treat me wonderfully.  I don't need to work in porn to have a good work environment.

Have you ever researched what former porn actresses say about their time in porn?  Do you know someone in the industry? Your comments run counter to what I've read and the documentaries on former female porn stars.  

I'm sure there are many studios that treat their stars well and many stars that have had positive experiences and are proud of their work.  I wouldn't make a blanket statement that they all studios don't treat their workers well.  Just like there are shitty corporations to work for and wonderful corporations to work for.  

I'm all for non-violent porn.  I have no problem with grandma being in porn.  As someone else said on the thread, I think the grandma and the porn industry is getting a "good edit" because a few said grandma is amoral slut.  I also think if it was grandpa the prolific porn star, there would be a lot more "um, gross" type of comments on this thread and very few "grandpa is so empowered...his body, his choice!" type of comments.

I wouldnt think "amoral slut" or on the opposite side of the spectrum "empowered" when I think of adult film actors.

I just feel sad for them and think that they probably have no one in their lives (i.e. their parents) to hurt. L 

Now, others may disagree (to some, sex is just sex or thats what they say), but I still think that theres no way being a porn star isnt a game changer in life, severely limiting romantic choices, plus, I cant even kiss someone I am not attracted to, I cant imagine how I would feel having someone I might not like be, literally, inside me and have to fake excitement for a film crew. 

The porn star grandma came off as very likeable to me. She is very attractive and well put together for her age, loves her grandson, and just comes off so grounded and down to earth, not at all what I would expect a porn star to act. I liked her 10x more than that hoarsey voice fiancee. 

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On 11/25/2019 at 9:16 AM, Silver Bells said:

Mike & Natalie ..  It didn’t look so bad in that Ukraine city where she lives now.  It looked better and more livelier than the farm she’s going to in the sticks.  I doubt she will make it on the farm with a baby no less.  Mike is short on money, and the whole town closes up at 10 pm.  She will go mad.  Does she know the whole USA is not all bright lights and buildings and night spots like N.Y.C.?    P.s.  it took me forever to find this thread, as they are all over the place.

I've been to Sequim and it's beautiful. They have Lilac Farms and an adorable downtown. It's a very short trip to Seattle- a big city with tons to do. You are right next to Mount Ranier and the Olympic Mountains with all the many outdoors stuff to do. She said she likes hiking. It's a great place to live, it's not like a farm in Nebraska. I would KILL to live in Sequim but it is extremely expensive to buy a house there.

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21 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

I worked as a stripper, dominatrix, and web cam girl. I did simulated porn with Teri Weigel. I used to produce cuts of the other web cam girls. I know a few other porn actors, including Tiffany Mynx. She was the shit in the 90’s. God, I even met Kathy Willis, who adored doing porn. 

Seven total years in adult, 20 in corporate. Adult is full of good, fun people. Corporate not so much. The problem with adult is that no matter how mentally healthy and open about sex you are, at the end of the day it’s an intimate activity you’re selling and it gets to you. The ones who stay often use drugs or alcohol to cope. Porn Granny stayed, hence my comment.

You just found a dog who can hunt. 

I'm glad you had a good experience with it.  And thank you for sharing your insights!

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I finally finished this one ; Thanksgiving took me away from my trash.

Dumb and dumber honeybees- Everytime I watch them I'm just like "what? why?".  Either they are really acting it up for production or they are just both really simple and stupid. Still a better love story than Tania.

Chipmunk and Syringe- She is AWFUL; and she needs a bra.  If I were Syringe, after I had gotten to the unfinished shed that she had been telling me for weeks was DONE and then she started ordering me around to fix it; I would have called an UBER and left and traveled the country by myself for 3 months THEN gone back home.  Previews show her leaving him on a whim for a month to study herbal remedies or something.  Again, if I were him, she could have come home to an empty shed.

Guy that looks like a country singer and Natalie- I think the scene with her mother was really sweet.  He seems like a good hearted guy; I hope she is not just using him for whatever money she can get and sperm.

Anny and man-ho- Both unlikable and both really boring.  Most of their tifts seem staged.  However, Anny has a perfect right to be mad about some aging porn granny asking her about birth control and her sex life.

Nordic ice queen and some guy in LA- she might love him a little but she's definitely using him.  The sister was really weird.

Was anyone else on this episode? Who'd I miss?

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On 11/29/2019 at 5:01 PM, Pixilicious said:

Well what she does for a living and how much she makes doesn't really matter...i'm glad that she wants to be a part of her grandson's life, and that Robert seems to want that too...it's the best for the child...if Anny is sincere about wanting to be a part of Robert and Bryson's lives then she should have been a bit nicer...she certainly acted like a woman who only wants a green card and has no interest in being a part of this family down the road.

She is just ignorant as is he. She doesn't care one bit about the kid.  I really might Fast Forward through their segments as I find them both to be beyond ignorant, like borderline mentally disabled. Stupidity can be mildly entertaining, but in their case, no.

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12 hours ago, calpurnia99 said:

I've been to Sequim and it's beautiful. They have Lilac Farms and an adorable downtown. It's a very short trip to Seattle- a big city with tons to do. You are right next to Mount Ranier and the Olympic Mountains with all the many outdoors stuff to do. She said she likes hiking. It's a great place to live, it's not like a farm in Nebraska. I would KILL to live in Sequim but it is extremely expensive to buy a house there.

I think Natalie might have this idea that living in Sequim,Washington with her giant American husband Mike might be like one of those trashy romance/soft porn books you can read on Kindle for $0.99 where you live in the isolated mountains with your lumberjack lover and live happily ever after. Russian/Ulrainian women will tend to marry men that American women would reject. It's kind of that, shrug your shoulders, "Well, a man is a man" attitude that I think Natalie will be adapting, PLUS she is very aware of her biological clock, and it is probably easier to just marry Mike, as her chances to find a decent, unmarried man in Ukraine at 35 may be shot. 

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11 hours ago, doyouevengohere said:

Anny and man-ho- Both unlikable and both really boring.  Most of their tifts seem staged.  However, Anny has a perfect right to be mad about some aging porn granny asking her about birth control and her sex life. 

I got the feeling, that porn grandma didnt think Robert SHOULD have any more children, and that was the underlying message. Which - I agree! I think that Bryson's grandparents are more involved that once every 2 weeks. 

I would also like to hear from Robert's older children, whom I presume he barely sees

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I finally got to finish this episode. Porn granny might be well off because I found out she did some things that are considered higher paying (more degrading). She did come off as rude to Anny in asking about if they're using birth control or not.  In my opinion she's no different than a prostitute and shouldn't be taken seriously.  

Those plastic sisters were hideous.  Funny how all those women end up with the same face.  They don't fully register as human to me.  I have no doubt they've been molested or something similar.  I'm sure they're running some sort of scam.  The less I see of them the better.  They are repugnant and I always question the taste of any man who finds that attractive.  

The only couple I like are Mike and Natalie.  They are the only couple that actually seems genuine.  I have a hard time believing anyone else is real.    

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On 11/30/2019 at 2:05 PM, TwirlyGirly said:

Mittens Sunbrook.

With that name, I'd be lucky to get any job - and only if the interviewer could stop laughing long enough to ask me questions.

After watching reality tv for many years I'd be willing to bet somewhere there's a "market" for mittens😂

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1 hour ago, Anduril said:

Those plastic sisters were hideous.  Funny how all those women end up with the same face.  They don't fully register as human to me.  I have no doubt they've been molested or something similar.  I'm sure they're running some sort of scam.  The less I see of them the better.  They are repugnant and I always question the taste of any man who finds that attractive.  

Right?  I'll never understand why women in their prime, in their youth, put fillers in their face, injectibles in their lips, and esp. injectibles to make their rear end cartoonish.  There is no way one of those cartoonish rear ends will age well.

I also think the Instagrammers/Youtubers that have 30 minute videos just on how they put their heavy makeup on are making the women of today look like clowns and drag queens.  It should not take 30 minutes, and 30 layers of different products on your face to look pretty.  And it ends up giving the women that same generic face you get from plastic surgery.  It's really disturbing to see that in person! 

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Just now, sasha206 said:

Right?  I'll never understand why women in their prime, in their youth, put fillers in their face, injectibles in their lips, and esp. injectibles to make their rear end cartoonish.  There is no way one of those cartoonish rear ends will age well.

I also think the Instagrammers/Youtubers that have 30 minute videos just on how they put their heavy makeup on are making the women of today look like clowns and drag queens.  It should not take 30 minutes, and 30 layers of different products on your face to look pretty.  And it ends up giving the women that same generic face you get from plastic surgery.  It's really disturbing to see that in person! 

Could not agree more. All these women end up looking the same, and yes, wtf is someone going to do with an enormous ass when they're old? Can you imagine Kim K or her sisters at 70?😂

And those faces, with that level of work in your twenties, you're looking at Michael Jackson territory by the time you truly age. 

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10 hours ago, Lily247 said:

I got the feeling, that porn grandma didnt think Robert SHOULD have any more children, and that was the underlying message. Which - I agree! I think that Bryson's grandparents are more involved that once every 2 weeks. 

I would also like to hear from Robert's older children, whom I presume he barely sees

Oh I agree as well!  But the sad fact is that he is an adult and so is Anny and they don't need anyone's permission to reproduce or be stupid and irresponsible.  Porn granny should have been talking to Robert about getting snipped if she's that upset about him being irresponsible and making more kids. He's the one with 5 kids and 4 baby mama's (one of which is the daughter of a porn 'star') ; not Anny.

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On 12/2/2019 at 9:16 AM, sasha206 said:

Right?  I'll never understand why women in their prime, in their youth, put fillers in their face, injectibles in their lips, and esp. injectibles to make their rear end cartoonish.  There is no way one of those cartoonish rear ends will age well.

I also think the Instagrammers/Youtubers that have 30 minute videos just on how they put their heavy makeup on are making the women of today look like clowns and drag queens.  It should not take 30 minutes, and 30 layers of different products on your face to look pretty.  And it ends up giving the women that same generic face you get from plastic surgery.  It's really disturbing to see that in person! 

It's weird because all that makeup and stuff is basically done to look "good" on camera. We're living so much of our lives on film (video, photos, etc) these days that the emphasis is put on making the picture look good. I've had that heavy makeup on a few times for publicity shots. That 30 minutes of contouring, the extended eye shadow and lip shading all looked great in my pictures, but in "real life" I looked like I hadn't received the message that my employer, Ringling Brothers, had folded up the tent. 

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On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 10:40 PM, Lily247 said:

The porn star grandma came off as very likeable to me. She is very attractive and well put together for her age, loves her grandson, and just comes off so grounded and down to earth, not at all what I would expect a porn star to act. I liked her 10x more than that hoarsey voice fiancee. 

I thought her makeup was beautiful.

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14 hours ago, mamadrama said:

It's weird because all that makeup and stuff is basically done to look "good" on camera. We're living so much of our lives on film (video, photos, etc) these days that the emphasis is put on making the picture look good. I've had that heavy makeup on a few times for publicity shots. That 30 minutes of contouring, the extended eye shadow and lip shading all looked great in my pictures, but in "real life" I looked like I hadn't received the message that my employer, Ringling Brothers, had folded up the tent. 

Bwahaha! I never thought about it, but you're right, everyone seems to be made up for the camera now. I see women in the grocery store sometimes that look like they just stopped by for milk after their performance on Broadway.

On 12/2/2019 at 8:38 AM, doyouevengohere said:

Oh I agree as well!  But the sad fact is that he is an adult and so is Anny and they don't need anyone's permission to reproduce or be stupid and irresponsible.  Porn granny should have been talking to Robert about getting snipped if she's that upset about him being irresponsible and making more kids. He's the one with 5 kids and 4 baby mama's (one of which is the daughter of a porn 'star') ; not Anny.

Agree 100%. I'm willing to like PSG but that conversation was way out of line.

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Yeah, porn granny has shown more concern for a child on this show than practically anyone ever on this show, BUT if she needs to talk to people about Robert not reproducing she needs to go after Robert  and she should have had the birth control talk with her daughter.

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On 11/29/2019 at 5:08 PM, Pixilicious said:

The name Diamond Foxx made me think of that game about finding out your porn name...you take the name of your first pet and the street name that you lived the longest growing up...my porn name would be SoSo Wooten 😂 i'm sure some of you must have better ones than that!! Hahahahaha

Fuzzy ninety first.  Lol.

On 11/29/2019 at 8:35 PM, Pixilicious said:

I read comments here for awhile and it seemed like a good, friendly forum to join...i wouldn't even know what to do with someone's pet's name or street name to connect it to anything in their real life...i'm sorry if i pinged on someone's paranoia 

I thought it was cute, and funny.

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On 12/1/2019 at 10:27 AM, calpurnia99 said:

I've been to Sequim and it's beautiful. They have Lilac Farms and an adorable downtown. It's a very short trip to Seattle- a big city with tons to do. You are right next to Mount Ranier and the Olympic Mountains with all the many outdoors stuff to do. She said she likes hiking. It's a great place to live, it's not like a farm in Nebraska. I would KILL to live in Sequim but it is extremely expensive to buy a house there.

O.k. then.  Sounds wonderful.  She can have peace & quiet on the farm, and then a big city for excitement.  I did think it was in the boondocks, lol, but sounds very nice.  I just looked it up, and it looks beautiful.

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