Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Daisy]

39 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Exactly. The stock price should have dropped when Valentin "died

Ned said it did, and Ned worked to stablize it and it dropped again when val was alive. 

I can understand the first drop, the second one just sounded stupid

[ffwbe]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

I thought it would go like Alexis/Sam did when they made them mother/daughter. But this storyline has advanced absolutely nothing. The relationship has not changed at all. If anything there seems to be more contempt on Willow's side.

Carly should just adopt Willow at this point.

The major difference between Alexis/Sam is even when they were at odds, you saw hints of them bonding and relating to each other, such a scene where they both got stuck in a room during a lockdown. Sam was shown going back and forth between hating Alexis and wanting to know more about her before she was shot and deciding she wanted Alexis to know in case she died. I also don’t think Alexis ever hated her so that helped.
 

Sam wanted to know about her family even when she was at odds with Alexis. Willow never cared until she needed a bone marrow donor. She is fully enmeshed with Michael’s family and isn’t looking for more family even before knowing Nina was her mother so it’s a pointless story. 

[ffwbe]

52 minutes ago, lala2 said:

Back in the day, soap characters did things they were unapologetic about all the time. Why can’t Nina have an “I did what I did. Sorry, not sorry” attitude about it?!? I’d rather see that than her whining and crying later when it’s discovered.

Not surprisingly, only Carly does that. But it’s only because she knows she’ll never face any repercussions and her kids and “friends” will break theirs back to defend all of her trash behavior 

[TVbitch]

Tracy: I have a whole rolodex of specialists and resources to help Willow!

Michael: (Stares scornfully at Tracy like that is the dumbest idea he's ever heard before resuming standard "duhhhh" expression.)

Ned: "Stop trying to steal the spotlight, Mother!" 

Okay even if ratting Drew and Carly out was something Nina decided to do, no way would she do it on Willow's wedding day and when Willow was so close (in light years apparently) from death! Of course they just had to show today that Nina still had a chance to back out but instead doubled down ~just to add an evil cherry and evil sprinkles to her super evil sundae! 

 

[YaddaYadda]

25 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

The major difference between Alexis/Sam is even when they were at odds, you saw hints of them bonding and relating to each other, such a scene where they both got stuck in a room during a lockdown. Sam was shown going back and forth between hating Alexis and wanting to know more about her before she was shot and deciding she wanted Alexis to know in case she died. I also don’t think Alexis ever hated her so that helped.

I remember that scene. That was when Alexis told Sam that her daughter was dead. 

Is it sad to say that even with the mob worship we were subjected to, there were things the Guza regime did a lot better than this one?

25 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Sam wanted to know about her family even when she was at odds with Alexis. Willow never cared until she needed a bone marrow donor. She is fully enmeshed with Michael’s family and isn’t looking for more family even before knowing Nina was her mother so it’s a pointless story. 

I find this super baffling that the writers have had Willow show so little interest in her biological family. She doesn't know a single thing about her father's side. 

I saw someone call Leisl Aunt Bone Marrow and I see only truth here.

[dubbel zout]

I am surprised Willow isn't wearing one of Carly's many wedding dresses for the ceremony.

[CeChase]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

So, I haven’t watched this week, and I decided last week that I was done with all things involving the following stories: Willow’s cancer, Michael’s (lame…..yes, I’m already calling it) revenge, insider trading/SEC, and the Willow/Nina relationship. 

I’ve read that Nina called the SEC, and my only issue with it is the show’s unwillingness to have her be proud and unapologetic about it. Back in the day, soap characters did things they were unapologetic about all the time. Why can’t Nina have an “I did what I did. Sorry, not sorry” attitude about it?!? I’d rather see that than her whining and crying later when it’s discovered. I’d rather see her tell Ava she’s written off the idea of ever having a relationship with Willow so she just doesn’t care anymore. I don’t know. Anything is preferable to crying AFTER the fact. 

Anyway, this story has nothing to offer those who actually like Nina so I will continue to not watch. This part of the show is basically written for the Carly lovers/Nina haters. Whatever. 🙄 

I believe Sprina is back tomorrow so I will tune in and mute/FF the Carlys. 

ETA: I also agree with those who feel Willow could walk herself down the aisle! 🙄

Other than the Tracy scenes, which I want to see, I'm gonna do the same. I'm just fed up with this other shit.  

[TeeVee329]

What's this I hear about Tracy reading Carly like the cheap paperback she is today...

Edited April 26, 2023 by TeeVee329

[Cheyanne11]

The lengths this show goes to to demonstrate no one is allowed to say a bad word about Carly is not only gross, but pathological.  Tracy makes a truthful comment on the number of times Carly has married Sonny (I believe it's five) and then Ned/Olivia/et al pile on and start making fun of Tracy's many trips down the aisle (and yet stopped at three, which is--checks math--less than five).  Carly traipses around that house like she's got any right to be there and they all act like Tracy is the interloper.  Fuck you, show.

Also, I'm beginning to think they all secretly want Willow to die, since any attempts to procure more medical help for her are shrugged off because of course Hero!Drew! is going to bring back Dr. Body Parts and all will be well...so they hope.  But they're actively not trying any other offered avenues, so yeah.

#TeamTracy #ShutUpNedAndOlivia #TeamWhyWontWillowDieAlready

[ffwbe]

30 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

What's this I hear about Tracy reading Carly like the cheap paperback she is today...

She got a good line in towards the beginning but once you realized that it was supposed to play like standard Q family ribbing each other like Tracy and Monica did, I cringed. You had other Qs chiming in making fun of Tracy along with Carly so you could tell it was more about Carly’s honorary Q family status. She’s really glommed onto that family now that she doesn’t have Sonny or Jason around. 

[sashabear21]

Man, the Carlys really are super clueless on what to do for any medical condition that doesn't involve getting shot in the head. I mean for that they get all the specialists involved and open their own trauma units, but for Willow's leukemia it's all, "well we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas...".   

[Artsda]

Tracy for the win for bringing AJ and calling Carly his worst mistake.

Nina so stupid. She did the one thing to cement Willow and those kids never having anything to do with her, hurt poor poor Carly. Carly will be the victim and Nina the devil blamed. Even though Carly is guilty. 

[ffwbe]

1 minute ago, Artsda said:

Nina so stupid. She did the one thing to cement Willow and those kids never having anything to do with her, hurt poor poor Carly. Carly will be the victim and Nina the devil blamed. Even though Carly is guilty. 

FWIW, Willow’s mind has been made up since the moment she’s found out. Nothing will make her want a relationship with Nina. I’m sure there will be dialogue saying she would have given Nina a chance but it doesn’t match up with anything we’ve seen. Until Carly does a 180 in Nina, her little sheep aren’t changing their minds 

[JMO]

I love Jane Elliot.  She is always so totally on point, whether Tracy is depriving her father of life-saving heart medication, or falling in love with the ne'er-do-well Luke Spencer, or having a rare moment of empathy that surprises even her.  The actress manages to weave all of those aspects together seamlessly, remaining totally in character while allowing that character to bend, and twist, and still remain, uniquely, Tracy Quartermaine.  I'm so glad she's back.

[mostlylurking]

5 hours ago, funnygirl said:

I really enjoy Nina and Sonny together.

Probably for the first time ever I’m hoping Mo’s clout will help keep them together. He clearly likes this current storyline and I’m hoping it will be able to continue. I haven’t liked Sonny this much in years. 

[Kitty Redstone]

So happy that Tracy is back! And Holly, who I've always loved with Robert.

I do wish that Robert and Holly were with Laura instead of Drewfus and Curtis, but am happy that at least Laura is taking names and kicking ass. Not that long ago she wouldn't have been allowed to be a hero. The scene between Anna and Holly was also a breath of fresh air. No grievance or resentment, but one woman recognizing that the other was in an impossible situation.

All the Carlys can fuck off and die. Like some others I sincerely hope this won't be the end of Nina and Sonny. The pairing has saved his character and given him something other to do besides mumble about the bidness. At this point I don't care if Nina and Willow ever have a relationship. Willow is a hateful, bitter jerk and stupid beyond words for going from one sick cult to another. If Carly goes to jail for committing a crime, that's on Carly not the person who discovered the crime.

[racked]

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Tracy for the win for bringing AJ and calling Carly his worst mistake.

Nina so stupid. She did the one thing to cement Willow and those kids never having anything to do with her, hurt poor poor Carly. Carly will be the victim and Nina the devil blamed. Even though Carly is guilty. 

That’s certainly the intention of the writing, but Willow is supposed to croak and she’s been nothing but a total horror to Nina. She’s a Carly through and through. 

[ciarra]

Whatever happened to the charges against Tracy for setting up Alexis?  She left town 10 (PCPD) steps ahead of the cops. 

[ffwbe]

Just now, ciarra said:

Whatever happened to the charges against Tracy for setting up Alexis?  She left town 10 (PCPD) steps ahead of the cops. 

They arrested her last time she came to town but Alexis felt bad and got the charges dropped by saying she wouldn’t testify.

 

I could be way off base but I have a theory about where the insider trading storyline is going. I could definitely see it temporarily causing Sonny/Nina to split but later on, it’ll come out that Michael has been actively trying put him in prison. Carly will side with Michael since it’s Michael since the Carlys always stick together. That will eventually lead Sonny to see that he might have wanted to spare Carly from jail for a crime she committed because she’s Donna’s mother or because of Michael but they don’t feel the same way about him. 

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, ffwbe said:

They arrested her last time she came to town but Alexis felt bad and got the charges dropped by saying she wouldn’t testify.

 

I could be way off base but I have a theory about where the insider trading storyline is going. I could definitely see it temporarily causing Sonny/Nina to split but later on, it’ll come out that Michael has been actively trying put him in prison. Carly will side with Michael since it’s Michael since the Carlys always stick together. That will eventually lead Sonny to see that he might have wanted to spare Carly from jail for a crime she committed because she’s Donna’s mother or because of Michael but they don’t feel the same way about him. 

that would be soo awesome. again. me cheering for Sonny would be so wrong, but he needs that wake up too. Carly only cares about him when she benefits. Michael + Joss are 100 percent the same way and he needs to be done with all of them. 

 

1 hour ago, Kitty Redstone said:

If Carly goes to jail for committing a crime, that's on Carly not the person who discovered the crime.

word to this too. and honestly. when (because you know it's when). she gets caught i would just say "you know what, you all seem to want people to be punished for their rimes, so I was just doing the right thing." and walk away. 

[sacrebleu]

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

When she gets caught i would just say "you know what, you all seem to want people to be punished for their rimes, so I was just doing the right thing." and walk away. 

Not to mention, Michael bribed a DA to get Nina arrested for the completely made up crime of identity fraud. (And is conspiring to get his father tossed in federal prison) so Michael can go kick rocks. 

[Katy M]

I was surprised tracy didn't call Ned on giving her a hard time on 6 husbands.  Dawn, Jenny, Lois, Katherine, Chloe, Olivia.

And I loved the part where tracy said it was her house and everyone mumbled that it was Monica's and Alan gave it to her.

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, Katy M said:

And I loved the part where tracy said it was her house and everyone mumbled that it was Monica's and Alan gave it to her.

me too (They showed this part on youtube). for me.  I love it. as much as i love Q Pizza Thanksgiving. don't even really care that it's lame or tired, it just reminds me happier times.

What pissed me off though is that Carly is sitting in that living room taking part of that ribbing. No. you are not a Q. go away. 

1 hour ago, sacrebleu said:

Not to mention, Michael bribed a DA to get Nina arrested for the completely made up crime of identity fraud. (And is conspiring to get his father tossed in federal prison) so Michael can go kick rocks. 

yeah. people going on and on on Nina for doing this and how it will destory her relationship with Willow and honestly. who cares at this point. Nina found out and she kept quiet because of peace (FOR WILLOW). Willow has shown time and again that she gives zero poos about anyone in her family except for Lisel because she wants something from them, and Carly hasn't done anything to have a truce (for Willow's sake) so why should Nina keep secret any longer.

Those are the type of secrets you keep for friends and family. Carly and Willow are neither.

[Katy M]

14 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Willow has shown time and again that she gives zero poos about anyone in her family except for Lisel because she wants something from them, and Carly hasn't done anything to have a truce (for Willow's sake) so why should Nina keep secret any longer.

Willow gives zero poos about Nina because they have never liked each other.  Nina only cares about Willow because she has some daughter fetish.  I think she actually does like Liesel.  Regardless of whether she gets bone marrow from her or not.  

But, yeah, there's no need for Nina not to turn in Carly and Drew.  Although, she's wrong about Carly being the reason she doesn't have a relationship with Willow.  And if the SEC bursts in on the wedding, that's not going to endear her to Willow.

[ljr]

Why isnt Michael being tested? What about the other quatermaines? 

[Kim0820]

It occurs to me that there is no mob villain right now - Victor is it.  That's been a nice break.  I did not even notice it until now.  And I guess it's been since the "Mike" days in Nixon Falls (took me a minute to come up with the name of the town lol). 

 

[superdeluxe]

I haven’t watched this show in about a month because all of the stories suck.  These stories are way too long and certain people fall off the face of the earth because they are dragging these horrible stories out.

I truly don’t care about this lame retread of the ice princess story starring Spencer and Trina.  I don’t care about that.  I don’t care about them.

Yeah, Tracy is back.  But I’m not sitting through garbage just to see her.

[Fellaway]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

What pissed me off though is that Carly is sitting in that living room taking part of that ribbing. No. you are not a Q. go away. 

It will never not enrage me to see either Sonny or Carly, AJ's murderer and abettor, welcomed anywhere on the Quartermaine estate. I was surprised to hear Tracy even mention him yesterday, because Show gives a good impression it wants to forget AJ even existed. It sure wants to forget Sonny murdered him.

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

yeah. people going on and on on Nina for doing this and how it will destory her relationship with Willow and honestly. who cares at this point.

At this point, I'd say Willow doesn't deserve Nina. I'm more concerned about what it will do to Nina's relationship with Sonny, and I must be living in Bizarro world because I haven't been interested in Sonny since the 90s. CW really does have some kind of magic going on that's rubbed off on MB because he's actually come alive again as an actor.

1 hour ago, ljr said:

Why isnt Michael being tested? What about the other quatermaines? 

I thought the same thing when it came up yesterday. I thought Tracy might even volunteer to be tested, but nope. If this were another kind of show, say L&O, I'd wonder if the Carlys are just going through the motions of trying to save Willow, but are really plotting her demise.

1 hour ago, Kim0820 said:

It occurs to me that there is no mob villain right now - Victor is it.

Well, we've got the Pikeman group waiting in the wings. Can't wait! There's nothing I love more on GH than mob plots! Said me, never.

[Sake614]

I can’t with these people anymore. Tracy comes home, hears what’s happening and immediately starts getting on the phone to ALL hef contacts, trying to help Willow find a bone marrow donor, does the family say ‘thank you so much, that’s amazing, how can we ever thank you?’ No of course not, instead she is DISCOURAGED from doing so because ‘you don’t want to upstage the wedding l’ WTAFZ is wrong with them? Would they rather Willow dies because Liesl can’t be found in fine? I mean,  I would but I can’t believe the characters who claim to love her so much would be okay with it. Let the woman help!

[ffwbe]

1 minute ago, Sake614 said:

I can’t with these people anymore. Tracy comes home, hears what’s happening and immediately starts getting on the phone to ALL hef contacts, trying to help Willow find a bone marrow donor, does the family say ‘thank you so much, that’s amazing, how can we ever thank you?’ No of course not, instead she is DISCOURAGED from doing so because ‘you don’t want to upstage the wedding l’ WTAFZ is wrong with them? Would they rather Willow dies because Liesl can’t be found in fine? I mean,  I would but I can’t believe the characters who claim to love her so much would be okay with it. Let the woman help!

It’s completely insane. Not only do they do nothing, they are so lackluster when others try to help. I get it, Willow will get saved no matter what, but the characters aren’t supposed to act like they know that will happen. 

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

It’s completely insane. Not only do they do nothing, they are so lackluster when others try to help. I get it, Willow will get saved no matter what, but the characters aren’t supposed to act like they know that will happen. 

would have paid money to have Tracy ask "so what's more important, a wedding or trying to save Willow's life?"

 

1 hour ago, Katy M said:

Willow gives zero poos about Nina because they have never liked each other.  Nina only cares about Willow because she has some daughter fetish. 

From what I've seen (from where I came into this whole thing). Nina + Willow made amends until the Mommy Incident. [and Willow wasn't even mad about that as she confessed to Chase]. Willow started being butt-hurt at Nina when she found out that Nina kept Sonny away from Carly/Slept with Sonny and didn't tell her. 

Nina (again from where i'e started watching from basically. the start of the whole NF thing) - Nina hasn't not liked her.. She's been angry with her, and frustrated with her and irritated etc because of how she & Michael have treated her in regards to Wiley. But I've never (albeit i've missed 4 months) heard her say "I hate Willow" (or even I hate Michael), at any moment beforee she found out that Willow was her daughter. 

and truthfully, I wouldn't say "Nina has a daughter fetish." she's not claiming every single child as her own. and I dunno. when you find out someone is your family etc. -you do start to mentally change how you think regards to them. You have to really work hard to NOT think of them as family.  that's just my two cent about it anyway. Nina has always loved her children. She's now put a face on her children, and  just becase she's been irritated with Willow, again she's (from what I've seen) has liked/supported willow enough to not just be "about "the Child." but that's just my two cents. 

[YaddaYadda]

11 minutes ago, Daisy said:

and truthfully, I wouldn't say "Nina has a daughter fetish." she's not claiming every single child as her own. and I dunno. when you find out someone is your family etc. -you do start to mentally change how you think regards to them. You have to really work hard to NOT think of them as family.  that's just my two cent about it anyway. Nina has always loved her children. She's now put a face on her children, and  just becase she's been irritated with Willow, again she's (from what I've seen) has liked/supported willow enough to not just be "about "the Child." but that's just my two cents. 

There's a lack of empathy toward Nina, like it's her fault her kids were taken from her or something. Nina was very happy when she found out she was pregnant, then she found out about the Ava/Silas affair, then took what Madeline gave her and spent 20 years in a coma. And when she woke up, she was told she miscarried.

I have a really hard time with the way Harmony was treated vs the way Nina is treated. Those girls were stolen from their parents. Harmony pimped her daughter and countless other girls to out to Shiloh and killed two people to keep her secret. But somehow, she's better than Nina. Okie dokie. 

Just stamp on the characters' foreheads the words winner/loser and be done with it.

32 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

It’s completely insane. Not only do they do nothing, they are so lackluster when others try to help. I get it, Willow will get saved no matter what, but the characters aren’t supposed to act like they know that will happen. 

Not because I don't agree with this or because this show believes in science or whatever, but how long before Willow can't receive a transplant?

BTW, the picks of Willow in her wedding dress, she looks as healthy as a horse. Stage 4 leukemia, what?

At least Chase on his deathbed and having to be rolled into the chapel was more realistic. 

[Sake614]

@Daisy there’s definitely deep animosity between Willow and Nina, going back to when Willow was Charlotte’s teacher and dared to say Charlotte was a problem child. Nina came down on Willow like a ton of bricks and got her fired. She did everything she could to undermine Willow and chastise her in public. So yeah there’s no love lost between them. they did sort of make amends a while ago, but it didn’t last long.

[VioletMarx]

18 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I find this super baffling that the writers have had Willow show so little interest in her biological family. She doesn't know a single thing about her father's side. 

Truth. And where is the scene where she absorbs the fact that Nelle was her TWIN?? I don't think there was so much as a line of dialogue where she was like, dude, that crazy B was my sister. 

As an OG Carly lover, all the current Carly worship is so bizarre to me. I loved SJB's Carly, who was the town pariah and couldn't walk 5 feet without someone telling her how awful she was. This is an entirely different character.  Whom I loathe.

Edited April 26, 2023 by VioletMarx

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

@Daisy there’s definitely deep animosity between Willow and Nina, going back to when Willow was Charlotte’s teacher and dared to say Charlotte was a problem child. Nina came down on Willow like a ton of bricks and got her fired. She did everything she could to undermine Willow and chastise her in public. So yeah there’s no love lost between them. they did sort of make amends a while ago, but it didn’t last long.

yeah i know their history - [and i really don't like to comment on things i didn't see - can't watch on YT etc] but from what I was told, they 100 percent made up after that. not Bosom Buddies, but not like. OMG I CAN'T EVEN EVEN with either of them.  They had enough of a rapport that she decided to testify for Willow and Michael. I don't think you do that if you hate someone.  just my two pennies anyway. (I mean that could be coming up to the surface again but i just felt most of the real hate started because Michael hated her and she didn't tell "the truth" about sleeping with Sonny)

 

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

There's a lack of empathy toward Nina, like it's her fault her kids were taken from her or something. Nina was very happy when she found out she was pregnant, then she found out about the Ava/Silas affair, then took what Madeline gave her and spent 20 years in a coma. And when she woke up, she was told she miscarried.

I have a really hard time with the way Harmony was treated vs the way Nina is treated. Those girls were stolen from their parents. Harmony pimped her daughter and countless other girls to out to Shiloh and killed two people to keep her secret. But somehow, she's better than Nina. Okie dokie. 

Just stamp on the characters' foreheads the words winner/loser and be

that is my biggest issue with it. Whenever any Carly rips into her with this it's like... it's not like she was an addict or abandoned them, and the kids went into foster care and then all of that crap happened, and now she wants to over compensate. her children were stolen from her with 20 years of her life.. I think anyone in that situation would be a bit over-compensate-y. 

the whole. "you should have just been nice to them anyway." speech from Carly made me want to punch her, because it's not like she did that w/Bobbie. and yet Bobbie found it in her heart to forgive her and just laugh about the fact of "oh yeah you slept with my husband and destroyed my marriage, fun times, eh, daughter mine?" 

they are basically treating Nina like AJ. She has no right to be upset, or have her feelings in regards of the situation at hand, and even when she DOES say yeah, I was dead wrong but it doesn't change anything, she still gets crapped on.  Like you said - Harmony's feelings and considerations are being considered - the woman who kidnapped and pimped out the child she stole. But NIna gets her fired and OMG. that bitch. 

[sunnyface]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

Nina, going back to when Willow was Charlotte’s teacher and dared to say Charlotte was a problem child.

Yeah but. The whiny Cassadine and Lulu seemed to be the focus of the plot (iirc) and Nina was an afterthought.  Then again, it might  have not have been because Michelle Stafford's Nina earned a special spot on my fast-forward button.   

2 hours ago, Fellaway said:

It will never not enrage me to see either Sonny or Carly, AJ's murderer and abettor, welcomed anywhere on the Quartermaine estate.

The rage goes to eighth notch when Carly fake smiles on that property.

3 hours ago, superdeluxe said:

I truly don’t care about this lame retread of the ice princess story starring Spencer and Trina.  I don’t care about that.  I don’t care about them.

With half the world's population at peril, FV decides that Clan Carly takes priority.

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Harmony pimped her daughter and countless other girls to out to Shiloh and killed two people to keep her secret.

It's shameful that her sexual abuse has been swept under the rug.

2 hours ago, Fellaway said:

CW really does have some kind of magic going on that's rubbed off on MB because he's actually come alive again as an actor.

CW has done a bang-up job resolving the show's most glaring problem and hope that she doesn't get weary playing the town pariah/Julian.  CW and MW are why I have kept watching lately.  With JE back, this is a Jubilee year.

 

[VioletMarx]

20 hours ago, funnygirl said:

Olivia is annoying, time to bring back Lois! 

How great would that be?? Too bad Rena and Wally being divorced probably precludes that.

 

And I wouldn't count out Nina/Sonny yet. MB seem to really want to work with CW, so hopefully he will continue to get his way...

[statsgirl]

45 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

As an OG Carly lover, all the current Carly worship is so bizarre to me. I loved SJB's Carly, who was the town pariah and couldn't walk 5 feet without someone telling her how awful she was. This is an entirely different character.  Whom I loathe.

Those two things are not unrelated, everyone treating Carly as if she is made of glass and can do no wrong, and my loathing for her.

Interesting writing requires balance and realism. When one person is elevated all the time, and others (AJ, Julian, Nina) are made the town pariah especially when they go against her, it's not fun to watch.

5 hours ago, Katy M said:

I was surprised tracy didn't call Ned on giving her a hard time on 6 husbands.  Dawn, Jenny, Lois, Katherine, Chloe, Olivia.

This show is never balanced (see above). Tracy calling out Ned would have meant that all the Carly worshippers in the room couldn't dismiss her comments about Carly.

4 hours ago, Katy M said:

Willow gives zero poos about Nina because they have never liked each other.  Nina only cares about Willow because she has some daughter fetish.  I think she actually does like Liesel.  Regardless of whether she gets bone marrow from her or not. 

Willow has said not one word about Liesl herself in this whole kidnapping, only about the fact that Liesl is not there to save her live. And now that Liesl isn't in the room to remind Willow that her one ask was to communicate with Nina, Willow has completely shut Nina out.

Willow gives zero poos about Nina because that's what Carly, Michael and Joss tell her to do.  Go Nina, report that crime.

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

Nina (again from where i'e started watching from basically. the start of the whole NF thing) - Nina hasn't not liked her.. She's been angry with her, and frustrated with her and irritated etc because of how she & Michael have treated her in regards to Wiley. But I've never (albeit i've missed 4 months) heard her say "I hate Willow" (or even I hate Michael), at any moment beforee she found out that Willow was her daughter.

One thing that really sets Nina apart from the Carlys is that she doesn't hold grudges if she can mend fences. Sasha pretended to be her daughter, and all Nina wants to do it help Sasha (even going to Willow to remind her that friends help friends). Valentin set up the con and Nina is there for him. Jax supported Carly over Nina and she still ended up okay with him as a friend.

Nina apologized for the Charlotte/Aiden incident and she spied on Nelle so that Willow and Michael could get custody of Wylie, something that caused her great hurt when she found out that Nelle was her daughter (a secret kept from her by Carly and Jax). Given Nina's relationship with other people who have wronged her as well as her desire to have a child to love, her (unfortunate for her) wish to have a relationship with Willow

Really, what has Nina done against Willow?  The Charlotte incident was the only one, and that is balanced by testifying for Willow against Nelle. Meanwhile the Carlys have lied to her, kept the information of both of her daughters from her, and refused to let her see either of her grandchildren, hurting Wylie, who loves her, in the process.

Edited April 26, 2023 by statsgirl

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Really, what has Nina done against Willow?  The Charlotte incident was the only one, and that is balanced by testifying for Willow against Nelle. Meanwhile the Carlys have lied to her, kept the information of both of her daughters from her, and refused to let her see either of her grandchildren, hurting Wylie, who loves her, in the process.

a lot of people are like "BUT SHE TOLD WILEY THAT SHE WASN'T HER MOTHER." and i mean. honestly. again. I am so glad that was something i watched with my own eyes because the way some people react/tell this part is that Nina stood there. dancing on top of a table. doing this

screaming "Willow's not your mommy! Willow's not your mommy." and that Nina had no right to say a word. and to be frank - that should have been a conversation Michael and Willow had with her before they let her see Wiley. So there would have been no miscommunication etc. (because I mean WATCHING it. my first thought was like. yeup. they're gonna be mad, but I never thought she was wrong in what she said or how she said it). 

another thing is basically. how Nina yelled at Willow for not lying on the stand (because she would have to protect the secret of she + Sonny) and to be dead honest, Willow was grouchy about that,as if she didn't hear Sonny tell Nina not to say anything because HE wanted to be the one to say something. (and Willow has zero issues w/Sonny). 

and then the other thing is Nina "going after them in open court." which was you know. AFTER these two decided to spill ALL the tea publicly AFTER ignoring Nina's constant pleas to just settle OUT of court, and she'd do anything including supervised visits, AFTER the day OF course Nina said let's just do what's right for wiley and Wllow is all "yeah but it means you win." and SCOTTY is the one who went all "So you hurt women." on Michael and they blamed Nina as if it were Nina's idea to do it. 

and I guess the affair crap [but i stil maintain. if I found out someone might be having an affair (again). after treating me like crap for having one. I legit would channel my inner 12 year old and go neener neener. look at you. and Nina didn't tell anyone she went straight to the three people involved. ]
 

hell Nina even tried to mend bridges with Carly 98 zillion times, including trying to buy her a hotel that she stupidly lost and Carly is all. "hell no." Nina does have a big act first, think later." mentality that she contributes to the coma. which is fair. but like you said, I don't really think she holds grudges etc. she'll mend fences. even the day where she had the fight w/Carly, she didn't really go below the belt, or cross lines. she simply stated that Carly's desire to win is what cost Willow her life and she has done wrong things and yet Nina is Satan. and Carly is the saint. to which the response was for Carly to act like a cow and twist in all the knives to break Nina. 

again - i have ZERO problems with Nina turning them in. You keep those secrets for family & friends. they treat her like poo. why she protect you?

[Cheyanne11]

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

Nina does have a big act first, think later." mentality

So does Carly and yet...

[CeChase]

What's really funny is that I saw an old clip on Twitter, I hadn't been watching this back then.  But Carly told Lucas she was his sister, Lucas was a very small child.  Bobbi told Carly not to tell him until Bobbi decided he was ready to know she had given up a child for adoption before she had Lucas.  Bobbi was mad at her, but forgiving.

Can you believe this??????

[Daisy]

2 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So does Carly and yet...

yeah - I remember Nina in a YT clip saying it was something she was working on it's just more of the flight/fight response on crack because of the 20 years she missed. It actually very much could be why Carly hates Nina so much because Nina is a mirror.... but as @statsgirl - she's different because if she can mend a fence she willl. Nina doesn't always have this "I have to win the argument." mentality that the Carlys have.

 

3 minutes ago, CeChase said:

What's really funny is that I saw an old clip on Twitter, I hadn't been watching this back then.  But Carly told Lucas she was his sister, Lucas was a very small child.  Bobbi told Carly not to tell him until Bobbi decided he was ready to know she had given up a child for adoption before she had Lucas.  Bobbi was mad at her, but forgiving.

Can you believe this??????

i've been saying this for ages. a LOT of what Nina did - Carly has done it and worse. I don't really know or understand how Bobbie could forgive Carly for ALL of what she did to her, her children and to Tony, but she did. [mother's love I guess] to the point where the basically laugh about it and Bobbie says well you know. that's life. MONICA gave Carly her blessing, because she loved Jason more than it made sense to continue to hate Carly. [bad decision, Monica].  

I will never white wash what Nina did. She SHOULD have told someone about Sonny. She SHOULDN'T have slept with Sonny that night - but 98% of this drama doesn't even start if Carly didn't play God and simply told her that Nelle was her daughter and help connect with Wiley. why this gets ignore is beyond me. 

[YaddaYadda]

I blame Elizabeth Korte, Carly's #1 stan, for turning her into this Mary Sue. The way they ganged up on Tracy yesterday for speaking the truth was one massive eyeroll. 

This version of Carly should exist only in bad fanfiction.

[YaddaYadda]

Aww, Chase! You have no dignity!

[mostlylurking]

19 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Tracy: I have a whole rolodex of specialists and resources to help Willow!

Michael: (Stares scornfully at Tracy like that is the dumbest idea he's ever heard before resuming standard "duhhhh" expression.)

Ned: "Stop trying to steal the spotlight, Mother!" 

That whole scene was bizarre!  How is trying to reach out to her presumably large list of contacts making it all about her??  I like to think these fools low key want Willow to die.  They aren’t even trying anymore.  
 

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

There's a lack of empathy toward Nina, like it's her fault her kids were taken from her or something. Nina was very happy when she found out she was pregnant, then she found out about the Ava/Silas affair, then took what Madeline gave her and spent 20 years in a coma. And when she woke up, she was told she miscarried.

I have a really hard time with the way Harmony was treated vs the way Nina is treated.

I will never understand this.  They’ve been acting like Nina abandoned her child (children) at birth.  For all her faults, of which there have been many, she had zero choice in what happened to her while she was pregnant and after giving birth.  Harmony was a terrible mother and a terrible person.  But she still gets forgiveness to a certain extent.  But no empathy at all for what Nina went through??  It’s disgusting.

And I agreed with Nina when she told Carly that while she didn’t cause this situation, she made it a lot worse by staying silent.  Firstly, Liesl would have been tested earlier and the bone marrow transplant would likely have already happened.  And secondly, knowing that they were mother and daughter would have at least been a factor in the way these two women treated each other.  Instead, the bad feelings just kept festering and multiplying.

It will never not be gross to see Carly sitting smugly in the Q mansion as if she belongs there.  Seeing her joining along with the whole Monica’s house, Allen bought it for her trope was truly awful.

I’m holding out hope that newly enlightened-ish Sonny will prevail once this whole insider trading stuff blows up in Nina’s face.  Dare I say Sonny has even been…..charming lately??  That Nina/Sonny scene in the penthouse was adorable.  What can I say, I guess those dimples still hold some magical power after all.

[Daisy]

5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Aww, Chase! You have no dignity!

let me guess? showed up to the wedding, Hugged willow, told her she was beautiful, and is Michael's best man?

[dubbel zout]

Please take further Willow/Harmony/Nina discussions to the history thread. It's starting to derail this one.

Thanks!

[ffwbe]

I had to shut today’s episode off. It was way too saccharine for a group of characters I dislike and the show isn’t making this “Spencer women” thing happen no matter how hard they push it. 

[mariah23]

Ugh even reading the live thread makes me want to 🤢🤮

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I had to shut today’s episode off. It was way too saccharine for a group of characters I dislike and the show isn’t making this “Spencer women” thing happen no matter how hard they push it. 

ohh boo. that's not really good. and no Tracy to make it somewhat better?