Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

12 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

But with Nik telling Ava, it covers his butt when Esme delivers but doesn't when Liz fakes her miscarriage.  Talk about creating a giant hole that you can never get out ot.  

I didn't get that either. Way to put Elizabeth in Ava's crosshairs, Nik. And possibly VIctor's. Good lord, he's dumb.

Again, I say, Helena is mumbling about 'stupid progeny' and no doubt blaming Mikkos' side of the family.

[ciarra]

4 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Haven't watched today. Is Rory dead as in confirmed that he's dead.

I dunno, but that would make things easy for Trina.

[Desperado]

Loved, loved, loved Maura West today. Did not love the makeup artist who chose non-waterproof mascara for that scene however.

I don’t get Nick, what a tangled web. Why not tell Ava he got Esme pregnant?  She already knows he slept with her. Sheesh.

From the previews, Rory ain’t quite dead yet.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Desperado

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

[Spencer] certainly acting like one. He doesn't get the hero's welcome he seems to have been expecting,  so that means no one loves him. Time to skip town! Spare me, you entitled turd.

Yeah, but seriously, have you seen his dad lately? Nikolas is in his early forties, but you wouldn't know it given his behavior and the utter stupidity of his plan regarding Esme.

[statsgirl]

Why isn't Rory dead yet? Let's have some consequences to the Hooker beyond Oz who was probably killed by Esme.

Good timing, Trina. When I go to break up with my boyfriend I always pick his workplace so that he can be distracted all day especially if he works in a dangerous occupation.

Why did Jordan want Joss and Cameron brought to the hospital? Yes, they meed police protection

Maxie: "It's never fun to be blackmailed"  Hey, how about not doing stuff that you can be blackmailed for? I hate how Austin is being made the villain in this when it's Spinelli Sam and Maxie's stupidity that's the problem.

"You don't want to divorce me, you're lost without me." Ava/MW was on fire. Nik is in the "fuck around and find out" stage.

30 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

And here's the dilema, Liz and Nik will both know that it's not Esme, but everyone else in town will continue to think it's her.  So are Liz/Nik going to do the right thing and tell police that it's not her, so that police can actually start looking for the right person?  I'm guessing they won't.  

That would be the smart thing to do so I'm guessing no.

[Cheyanne11]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Why isn't Rory dead yet?

If he doesn't die, this is all such a waste.  Let me guess: he'll be paralyzed so Trina will feel obligated to stay with him.  Maybe even marry him.  Stop me if you've heard this before...

[perkie1968]

30 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Is Rory dead as in confirmed that he's dead.

We're not sure.  He was hooked (or hooked himself, that's still possilbe I guess).  Dante finds him gets him to the hospital.  They're getting the anti venom for him.  Portia and Finn are trying to stop the bleeding before taking him into surgery.  Trina gets there and stops the gurney to cry all over him.  He takes off his oxygen mask, says, "It was too soon to tell you how I felt but I dont' regret saying it" then his monitor codes while Trina cries over him.  

He could bounce back tomorrow.  Or he could be dead.  

29 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I dunno, but that would make things easy for Trina.

Actually it's the opposite.  If he dies while she was thinking of breaking up with him, she'll feel guilty and that will be the end of Sprina before it starts.  

28 minutes ago, Desperado said:

From the previews, Rory ain’t quite dead yet.

Ooh, we don't get previews here.  Did he jump up from the gurney and scream "just kidding"?!!

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

And here's the dilema, Liz and Nik will both know that it's not Esme, but everyone else in town will continue to think it's her.  So are Liz/Nik going to do the right thing and tell police that it's not her, so that police can actually start looking for the right person?  I'm guessing they won't.  

Nikolas doesn't care about any of that.  he was just using the hook thing as an excuse.  And Elizabeth probably will end up not caring anyway and just figure that Esme is a bad person for the revenge porn and for that she deserves to be trapped on an island away from her child for the rest of her life.

12 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Ooh, we don't get previews here.  Did he jump up from the gurney and scream "just kidding"?!!

LOL, no, but they were shown asking for an update which they wouldn't need if he were dead. 

[Pingaponga]

Given that we saw Rory enter the apartment, the door slam shut behind him, and a hook being raised, I'm assuming Rory isn't The Hooker. So, who is? Not Esme, that's clear.

And what happened to the guy lying on the apartment floor? Was he hooked as well, or did Rory accidentally shoot him when he was attacked?

And what happens if you give anti-venom to someone who doesn't need it? It doesn't look as though Finn ever confirmed that the anti-venom was needed - he just assumed it was.

I still don't quite understand why Spencer punched Dex, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want Dex as an enemy.

Is Elizabeth now going to have to fake a pregnancy for the next 7-8 months, hiding the truth from her family and friends, so Nic can pass off Esme's baby as hers?

[Peppermint Patty]

I’m enjoying the soapiness of Ava/Nik/Elizabeth/Finn/Esme. Mostly because the actors - with exception of MC - are knocking it out of the park. I hope they have Elizabeth fake the pregnancy and try to pass the baby off as her own, while Esme is locked up in the tower.

I really have no idea who the Hooker is, but I don’t think the writers do either. I hope Rory is gone for good. If only Dex would leave, too…

[statsgirl]

Liz said yesterday that she is going to fake a miscarriage before her sons hear about it. presumably because she doesn't want to lie to them.

58 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

And what happens if you give anti-venom to someone who doesn't need it? It doesn't look as though Finn ever confirmed that the anti-venom was needed - he just assumed it was.

Unless there is an allergic reaction, I presume nothing. Someone in the room said that they have a limited amount of the anti-venon so maybe the hesitation was they they didn't want to use it on Rory because they weren't sure that he was Hooked and worried that there might not be enough for the next person.

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

Liz said yesterday that she is going to fake a miscarriage before her sons hear about it. presumably because she doesn't want to lie to them.

Good luck with that now that Ava knows. She won't say anything to the boys specifically, but I can see her yelling at Elizabeth and Cam, at least, overhearing it and wondering what's up.

[sas616]

2 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

So did Rory shoot the abusive husband of the woman Jordan mentioned yesterday and then stab himself? I think Rory is The Hooker, knows Trina was going to ditch him and set the whole thing up. Looks like he might have over done it though. 

I agree.   I don't know if he shot the husband, I saw the shot as a cover.  Maybe he hooked the man before stabbing himself.   He's desperate to keep Trina away from Spencer hold on to her.  

[racked]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Oh absolutely. It's more pathetic because he's 20 or 21. And he's still a piece of shit. I don't care that he's now being played by someone who can act. The character is a petulant, whiny, entitled ASSHOLE.

Aren’t all the teens 19? I don’t think they aged them up. I unabashedly love Spencer even when he’s being a brat, but I do enjoy it more when it’s directed at his idiot father instead of randomly spewed. But I don’t mind Dex getting punched either. 

24 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Good luck with that now that Ava knows. She won't say anything to the boys specifically, but I can see her yelling at Elizabeth and Cam, at least, overhearing it and wondering what's up.

I haven’t watched today yet so maybe it’s explained (ha). How is it better for Nik if Ava thinks he’s slept with Liz rather than her knowing Esme is pregnant? She already knows about that affair.

And now that Liz knows Esme isn’t the Hook, she’s still willing to hold this pregnant teen hostage for the crime of filming Cam and Joss having sex? Wtf Liz. 

Edited December 15, 2022 by racked

[perkie1968]

4 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

Given that we saw Rory enter the apartment, the door slam shut behind him, and a hook being raised, I'm assuming Rory isn't The Hooker.

That could be a misdirect though.  We see someone behind Rory.  He raises his gun.  We see an arm with the hook.  Then we and Dante in the hallway, hear gunshots.  I'm assuming Rory shot the guy who's on the floor with a gunshot wound.  But it doesn't necessarily mean that the guy is the arm with the hook.  If Rory is still the hooker and hooked himself to mess with everyone, it could be his arm with the hook.  

[perkie1968]

7 minutes ago, racked said:

And now that Liz knows Esme isn’t the Hook, she’s still willing to hold this pregnant teen hostage for the crime of filming Cam and Joss having sex? Wtf Liz. 

In Liz' defence, she just found out.  Rory was brought in, they were told it was the hooker and Liz got this 'huh how is that possible' look on her face.  They brought Rory into the trauma room to stop the bleeding.  Finn asked Liz for the anti venom, assuming that the hook was doused in it again.  

So, Liz hasn't had time to do anything with the information.  

[dubbel zout]

I also don't think she knows that Nik was an idiot and told Ava that they'd slept together and now she was pregnant. 

She's gonna have a lot to deal with once Rory is stable/dies and she has a minute to think.

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, racked said:

Aren’t all the teens 19? I don’t think they aged them up. I unabashedly love Spencer even when he’s being a brat, but I do enjoy it more when it’s directed at his idiot father instead of randomly spewed. But I don’t mind Dex getting punched either. 

Josselyn voted in the 2020 election, so she, at least, has to be 20.  Logically, anyway.  And not that this matters in the slightest, but both Cameron and Spenser were born before her.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Katy M

[ffwbe]

It feels like I missed something when it came to Nikolas serving Ava divorce papers and telling her he got Liz pregnant. I thought Liz was planning to fake a miscarriage so why would he tell Ava about this? While it will give MW material,  it takes the winds out the sails for the reveal that it’s Esme that is pregnant considering it’ll be the same type of scenes. 

Joss/Dex are still chemless to me no matter how much times they shove their flashbacks into episodes. He also distractingly looks like a Michael clone. 
 

I almost forgot Maxie/Austin were a couple so 2 episodes of hearing about how Maxie’s friends hate him was weird considering I never see him around any of them with the exception of Spinelli. I’d consider the opinion if it was Mac but Sam, Spinelli, Drew, BL, really? We’re pretending they’re all upstanding citizens and can judge someone else? I don’t think they’re a good couple but still confused where they’re going with that. 

[Katy M]

1 minute ago, ffwbe said:

It feels like I missed something when it came to Nikolas serving Ava divorce papers and telling her he got Liz pregnant. I thought Liz was planning to fake a miscarriage so why would he tell Ava about this?

Because he's a moron?  Because he's planning to talk Liz out of the miscarriage, so he can pass on Esme's much further along baby than her fake one as hers?  

[Cheetara1986]

They had a lil something with Dex and Kristina. But since they want to recreate Jason x Carly 2.0, obviously and shove it down our throats until we relent. Like who are those dumpster dive flashbacks for?

Spencer/Trina: i think shes going to feel guilty and try to push Spencer even more, out of guilt, but it will finally come to fruition either during Britt's party or Portia's doomed wedding.

Also, I do believe Bory is dead. 

Spoiler

The Bory actor posted on his IG and William (Cam) commented something of a farewell then deleted it, I believe.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Cheetara1986

[Semiglued]

20 minutes ago, Cheetara1986 said:

They had a lil something with Dex and Kristina. But since they want to recreate Jason x Carly 2.0, obviously and shove it down our throats until we relent. Like who are those dumpster dive flashbacks for?

Spencer/Trina: i think shes going to feel guilty and try to push Spencer even more, out of guilt, but it will finally come to fruition either during Britt's party or Portia's doomed wedding.

Also, I do believe Bory is dead. 

  Reveal spoiler

The Bory actor posted on his IG and William (Cam) commented something of a farewell then deleted it, I believe.

What a useless character that was. If this was meant to be an actual triangle, they didn’t write it that way at all. And now they’ll have to come up with other contrived reasons to keep Spencer and Trina apart. 

I would like to believe that when Laura finds out Nik is holding a young, pregnant girl hostage and plans to keep her on Cassadine island that she will be appalled. But Elizabeth  wasn’t so I don’t have high hopes. 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Semiglued

[statsgirl]

25 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I almost forgot Maxie/Austin were a couple so 2 episodes of hearing about how Maxie’s friends hate him was weird considering I never see him around any of them with the exception of Spinelli.  I’d consider the opinion if it was Mac but Sam, Spinelli, Drew, BL, really? We’re pretending they’re all upstanding citizens and can judge someone else? I don’t think they’re a good couple but still confused where they’re going with that. 

I get why Maxie doesn't trust her instincts about Austin after her experience with Peter. But Sam, Brook Lynn and Spinelli who have all done things worse then Austin, not to mention Georgie who is going to hate anyone her mother dates who isn't her father, are not people whose opinions she should rely on.

Since we rarely spend any time with Austin and Maxie, it's weird that the show is bothering to break them up unless they're putting Maxie back with Spinelli  (and I can fast forward them together).

Now that Nik and Ava are ended, I can't think of any couples on this show that I like except maybe Obrecht and Scott maybe Terry and Yuri. The next closest are Sonny and Nina, which is mind-blowing. Is this Love in the Afternoon?

[Cheyanne11]

Maxie saying she's fine with Spinelli hacking her information is a fucking choice, writers.  Sorry, 'best friend' and Georgie's father or not, he's an asshole.  And if Maxie is willing to keep never holding him accountable, she's one, too.

Call me crazy, but I feel like Rory did this himself (or with an accomplish) and went too far.  Like he was only supposed to get a flesh wound.  At least, that's how I'd write it, as it's more interesting than whatever else they'll probably come up with.

Now Liz is also going to hide from the cops the fact she knows it can't be Esme.  Keep digging that hole, Elizabeth Imogen. 

[TVbitch]

Mayor Collins really needs to look into issues with Port Chuck's emergency services. First Dex has to drive Ava to the hospital cuz the ambulance is taking too long. Today, Dante calls Jordon who drives from her office to the scene and gets there before the EMT's and ambulance, and they have to drive Rory to GH! 

[lala2]

5 hours ago, Desperado said:

I don’t get Nick, what a tangled web. Why not tell Ava he got Esme pregnant?  She already knows he slept with her. Sheesh.

They are just determined to annihilate Nava. Well, if they wanted to lose me as a fan, they succeeded. I'm done. I think MC and MW have great chemistry, and I would have loved to see what they could have done w/a well-written Nava but that's clearly never gonna happen. I'm tired of rooting for a couple, and they keep getting screwed over. It's just one bad plot after another. It's tiring. I'm done. I don't even know why this is happening to them. 

Other than SoNa (for me), there is no other rootable couple for me to watch w/Nava being dead. I mean I like Liesl and Scotty but they are rarely shown. Britt and Austin would be good but Britt's exiting. Fiz sucks. Sante is boring. Sprina is taking too long to get together. Drewly is awful. I couldn't care less about Jex. I don't even need to mention Mildew! 

In addition to bad couples (IMO), the plots are super slow. There are so many plots that need to be kicked into third gear or whatever. Even the arcs I was interested in have lost my interest! 

Sorry for the rant. I'm just not a happy viewer, which is why I haven't been watching or posting lately. This show needs an overhaul, IMO. 

[ciarra]

6 hours ago, Desperado said:

Why not tell Ava he got Esme pregnant?

He would have to admit he has seen her recently and didn't call the cops.

[Auntie Velvet]

I can't figure out who else could be this obsessed with Trina if it wasn't Rory, so I'm still holding out for him being the Hook, and overdoing his attempt at a misdirect. (One thing that was maybe significant -- but really awkwardly phrased -- was Portia saying "His treatment is based on Dante's account of what happened." )

(Wildcard? Maybe that creepy character played by Mo's son.)  

Edited December 16, 2022 by Auntie Velvet

[ciarra]

31 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I can't figure out who else could be this obsessed with Trina if it wasn't Rory, so I'm still holding out for him being the Hook,

People on this thread were suggesting Esme's Nanny, out for revenge.  That would account for the suspect being described as female.

[Mirabelle]

We know for 100% certainty there's no way they can pin the hookings on Cam, right? 

[threebluestars]

My new theory is Sarah Abbott, Heather's old roomie from the sanitarium, is the Hook acting on Heather's orders.

[YaddaYadda]

10 hours ago, Semiglued said:

I would like to believe that when Laura finds out Nik is holding a young, pregnant girl hostage and plans to keep her on Cassadine island that she will be appalled. But Elizabeth  wasn’t so I don’t have high hopes. 

She should be, since you know, what Nikolas is doing to Esme was also done to Laura by Stavros. 

About the episode. I think Rory is victim of the Hook, not the perpetrator. And he's very likely dead because he was dumb. At the same time, it seems like he may have taken one for Dante. If he hadn't gone in when he did and been stabbed, that would have been Dante, and Olivia screeching over her son is a bridge too far for me. Those scenes would have to be watched on mute.

But that about a cardboard cutout character. I don't know why they created this character, what his purpose was because they didn't write a triangle. He was just . . . there.

Nikolas is just incredibly dumb. Doesn't really use his brain all that much, does he. And his son is very childish. This crop of Cassadines leaves a lot to be desired. 

[Katy M]

10 hours ago, ciarra said:

He would have to admit he has seen her recently and didn't call the cops.

And then Ava would wonder where Esme was now, she would know Nik wouldn't just let a psyscho (other than him) have sole access to his child.  Yeah, that would be a totally dumber move than what he actually did.

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

But that about a cardboard cutout character. I don't know why they created this character, what his purpose was because they didn't write a triangle. He was just . . . there.

This is reminding me a bit of Nina/Cliff/Amy on AMC 100 years ago.  Nina and Cliff broke up.  Cliff started dating Amy and was thinking about going back to Nina. Amy is hit by a car and killed.  And Nina complains that she can't compete with a ghost.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 hours ago, Semiglued said:

I would like to believe that when Laura finds out Nik is holding a young, pregnant girl hostage and plans to keep her on Cassadine island that she will be appalled.

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

She should be, since you know, what Nikolas is doing to Esme was also done to Laura by Stavros. 

1. That would be the logical reaction. But with this regime? HAH! I doubt very much they would have her remember her own kidnapping, rape, and being held hostage.
    
2. She should-and that the baby she was pregnant with was his moronic ass. But I doubt this regime knows, or if anyone does, they don't give a shit.

[dubbel zout]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

But that about a cardboard cutout character. I don't know why they created this character, what his purpose was because they didn't write a triangle. He was just . . . there.

Seriously. It's hard to feel much sympathy for a nothing character dying. Rory was there only to cause some angst for Trina, and she had enough going on with the fallout from the sex tape trial, being the possible reason for the Hooker in the first place, and her conflicted feelings for Spencer. Rory didn't do anything to further any of that. Such a badly conceived character.

[Melgaypet]

Nikolas should have enlisted Ava in this scheme. Ava should be faking the pregnancy. (Yeah, I know she's like 50 years old. Menopause doesn't exist on soaps.) Ava is ruthless enough for this.

And what is the endgame re: Esme, anyway? Because the only safe thing to do is to kill her once she gives birth. Elizabeth wouldn't be down for that. Nik would, but doesn't have the stones to get it done himself. Ava would be able to take care of business.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Melgaypet

[Auntie Velvet]

Either I misunderstood the scene, or the staging of the hooking was incredibly bad -- both always strong possibilities -- or Rory really does have a split personality and hallucinated part of what we saw.

He didn't seem to see a victim lying on the floor when he entered. There was no one behind the door or in the hallway when he walked in, but the door sure did slam shut quickly.

And then he shot the hook-holder at a distance of a couple feet, but the person went out the window? And he was in another part of the apartment two seconds later when Dante burst in after hearing the shots?

[Katy M]

28 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

And what is the endgame re: Esme, anyway? Because the only safe thing to do is to kill her once she gives birth. Elizabeth wouldn't be down for that. Nik would, but doesn't have the stones to get it done himself. Ava would be able to take care of business.

Nik told Elizabeth he was going to pack her off to Cassadine Island to live in luxury as a prisoner the rest of her life.

[Melgaypet]

7 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Nik told Elizabeth he was going to pack her off to Cassadine Island to live in luxury as a prisoner the rest of her life.

Ah. And Foster went to a nice farm to run and play with other dogs.

I'd feel sad that Elizabeth has become so dumb and gullible, but Nikolas has become so stupid that he might actually think that's a viable solution.

[Katy M]

51 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Ah. And Foster went to a nice farm to run and play with other dogs.

Speaking of Foster, Willow, Michael and Joss were talking about Annabelle digging up the gardents.  Do the Qs name all their dogs Annabelle because that can not be Lila's old dog?

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Either I misunderstood the scene, or the staging of the hooking was incredibly bad

It was very confusing.  Maybe we'll get more insight today (who's the guy?).  I'm still in a holding pattern of my opinion until/if Rory really does go to that great comic convention in the sky.

[dubbel zout]

58 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Do the Qs name all their dogs Annabelle because that can not be Lila's old dog?

This Annabelle is a different dog, and the name is the writers' idea of History! being incorporated into the show.

[Desperado]

14 hours ago, ciarra said:

He would have to admit he has seen her recently and didn't call the cops.

I think she could’ve understood that. Ava does know Esme’s alive, right? And keeping her at Windermere (sp?) would mean Trina is safe too. 
 

We’re just trying to be more logical than the writers, right? 😂

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 Such a badly conceived character.

And a pairing with very little chemistry so it is hard to get invested in him. I don't know whose fault that was but that whole relationship is/was? a big nothingburger.

Ava knows that Esme is alive because Elizabeth reported her attack to the police.

3 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

. Menopause doesn't exist on soaps.)

Unless they need it for Alexis' osteoporosis.

[tessaray]

I thought Rory (the character) had potential. Or the potential to have potential. 🙂 And I remember a simple can of soda sparking the imagination of the internet.

But the actor had no chemistry with TA. And the subtext of her Twitter post saying "best of luck in your future endeavors" (semi paraphrased - I dont remember the exact wording) seems to indicate she won't exactly miss him.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

I thought Rory (the character) had potential. Or the potential to have potential.

LOL. Same here. I don't know if the writers lost interest in him or if the intent from the beginning was for him to be the blandest monkey wrench possible for Trina/Spencer.

[Katy M]

My tv had to tell me it was snowing when they were talking about the blood test. I assume the toxin was in his blood?  Or no?

In Joss's defense this would be a really weird time to break up with someone.

Esme seems pretty smug.  Does she know?  Maybe she is the killer.  Maybe she broke out, killed Rory, then broke back in to prove her innocence? 

[lala2]

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

I thought Rory (the character) had potential. Or the potential to have potential. 🙂 And I remember a simple can of soda sparking the imagination of the internet.

But the actor had no chemistry with TA. And the subtext of her Twitter post saying "best of luck in your future endeavors" (semi paraphrased - I dont remember the exact wording) seems to indicate she won't exactly miss him.

That tweet was from her fan club, not her! 🤣 I thought it was cold too but then noticed the handle was not hers. Her Twitter name isn’t her actual name. It’s like “iamford” or something like that! 
 
I loved that soda can scene too! I was looking forward to an Rory/Trina pairing. I also liked when they went to the art gallery together. I just think the writers didn’t write for them but, admittedly, I missed a lot of their courtship when I quit regularly watching months ago. But when I saw them before, I thought they had chemistry. 

Edited December 16, 2022 by lala2

[statsgirl]

Good set decorating:  the Delft blue china on Anna's table in the Netherlands..

Bad directing:  Rory's heart has stopped and even though he is surrounded by doctors and nurses, no one is doing CPR.

This episode really tried to make Rory happen but I'm just not feeling it.

Shut up Curtis. If Trina wants to say goodbye to Rory, it's not your business to tell her that she can't.

Cameron wants to talk with Joss privately. Joss ducks away, saying that Trina (who just said that she wanted to be alone) needs her. Joss has zero fs to give about Cameron.

I don't like these scenes of people who have no religious feeling lighting candles for people. For me it's very linked to church and faith, and it just feels off when a show uses it to pull feelings.

Joss: "My mom says you have to learn how to love. And you might not get it right the first time or the time after that..."  Carly's biggest love is herself so I think she's got it.

Spencer says that all this is on him since he brought Esme to town. Points for accepting the responsibility.

[Pingaponga]

Can someone explain why Rory was going to that apartment in the first place? Whose apartment was it? I'm not going to miss him. He was nice, but boring.

Both Joss's and Trina's first boyfriends have died. That's not good karma.