Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[JMO]

I may be in the minority, but today's episode was the type I enjoy, where the conflicts arise naturally to the situation (even when the situation itself is unnatural), and the characters simply respond to them.

It was natural for Lulu to be conflicted over her feelings for Dante and her unearned guilt over Sam's death. 

It was natural for Kai to suffer over the uncertainty of his future, and it was natural for Trina to want to help him look for an alternative to football.  That put them into conflict, but it made sense on both ends.

It was natural for Dante to want to investigate Sam's death, and natural for Anna to deny it to him.

It was natural for there to be environmental issues holding up the waterfront project, and it was natural for Curtis and Jordan to have wrongly assumed otherwise.

And, to me, it was natural for Cody to try to look out for Sasha.  He thinks Jason is the father, and he hasn't been in PC long enough to have become enamored of the mob enforcer.

[TVbitch]

Did I miss the scenes where Trina and Kai became best friends or boyfriend/girlfriend. The bumbling way she is stalking his hospital room, trying to solve his problems, and pep talk him all the time is a bit much. 

I agree Anna should take Dante off the case, but how can she do it with a straight face when she was literally sleeping with Valentin the entire time she was investigating him. 

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Also, Cody is one of the most unpleasant characters there is.

He'd have to get in line behind noted bigot Natalia, who I want to smack every time I see her.

[Bringonthedrama]

8 minutes ago, JMO said:

 

And, to me, it was natural for Cody to try to look out for Sasha.  He thinks Jason is the father, and he hasn't been in PC long enough to have become enamored of the mob enforcer.

But he's not looking out for Sasha. He went behind her back, mouthing off his (wrong) assumptions about Sasha and Jason as fact to Maxie and Lulu and now Anna. He's jealous/resentful of Jason for getting Sasha "in trouble" and wants Mac to get Robert to come back and handle things for poor, helpless, alone Sasha (how Cody clearly sees her). You would think Sasha is a tween or young teen girl who got pregnant by her teacher or a TA, from how angry and out-of-line he is behaving.

[absnow54]

9 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

But he's not looking out for Sasha. He went behind her back, mouthing off his (wrong) assumptions about Sasha and Jason as fact to Maxie and Lulu and now Anna. He's jealous/resentful of Jason for getting Sasha "in trouble" and wants Mac to get Robert to come back and handle things for poor, helpless, alone Sasha (how Cody clearly sees her). You would think Sasha is a tween or young teen girl who got pregnant by her teacher or a TA, from how angry and out-of-line he is behaving.

Hey, at least he went to Anna with his knowledge and isn’t trying to extort anyone to make a buck. That was my first assumption when he overheard the news. 

[KittyQ]

Wouldn't Curtis, having regained the ability to walk, be a good person for Kai to talk to about the challenges he faces? Does the hospital have a social worker or counselor that Kai could talk to about losing his football dream? And does he have parents??

At this point, I can't believe anyone would seriously consider Sonny "the safest" parent for a kid. Ava's not a great mother, but at least (for the moment) she isn't involved in a mob or revenge scenario. But the better choice might be for BLQ and Chase to take Avery in, solving 2 problems at one time. 

[dubbel zout]

58 minutes ago, JMO said:

[Cody] hasn't been in PC long enough to have become enamored of the mob enforcer.

Cody hasn't been in PC long enough to know anything about Jason except that he's a mob enforcer. Cody is jumping to all sorts of conclusions, nearly all of which are incorrect. They aren't based in any sort of logic: It's all what he thinks he's seeing and hearing, and they're mostly misplaced projections of his own anger and frustration that being cousins with Sasha has taken away their chance at a romantic relationship. Cody is an idiot.

Adding to what @Bringonthedrama wrote.

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[Prairie Rose]

I did get a kick out of a real, authentic hospital detail on today's show...did anyone else notice Kai wearing those tan grippy socks? 😁

[JMO]

36 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

But he's not looking out for Sasha. He went behind her back, mouthing off his (wrong) assumptions about Sasha and Jason as fact to Maxie and Lulu and now Anna. He's jealous/resentful of Jason for getting Sasha "in trouble" and wants Mac to get Robert to come back and handle things for poor, helpless, alone Sasha (how Cody clearly sees her). You would think Sasha is a tween or young teen girl who got pregnant by her teacher or a TA, from how angry and out-of-line he is behaving.

I believe he went to them because they are her family, and even though he is technically also her family, the situation between them---especially as it looks to him that she's moved on into another relationship already---is not conducive to his confronting her directly.  That makes sense to me.    

[statsgirl]

I'm bored with Drew and Curtis squabbling. I'm bored with the Avery custody battle. I feel nothing for Lulu thinking that she's in love with Dante after having been so nasty to him in Prague. And I don't care about Kai and his pain.

It's sad when the best thing about the episode was Brad at the gym.

5 hours ago, driver18 said:

As for Willow. Sasha is NOT trying to keep the children from her. She is only trying to ensure that Michael doesn't lose the children. She thinks the kids should have both parents in their lives. Right now Sasha believes Michael will recover and soon, and she doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize his chances of getting joint custody.

Sasha has already kept the kids from Willow first by hiding them in the main house and later not telling Willow where they are.  That will jeopardize Michael's court case because an unbiased judge will not look kindly on Willow's kids being kept from her for no good reason at a time when their father is not available. Right now, if Willow takes it to court, she will get sole custody because Michael is not just out of the country, he is in no shape to take custody of them.*

Sasha says that Willow's kids should have both parents in their lives but that her own child should have only her. That's very Carly logic.

* I don't get the obsession that this show has with shared custody. Unless you're Sonny or Carly, sole custody doesn't mean that the child doesn't get to see or live with the non-custodial parent.. Shared custody can be had hard on the child if the parents are fighting or if one is out of the country and can't be reached for a decision that needs to be made immediately.

[Bringonthedrama]

23 minutes ago, JMO said:

I believe he went to them because they are her family, and even though he is technically also her family, the situation between them---especially as it looks to him that she's moved on into another relationship already---is not conducive to his confronting her directly.  That makes sense to me.    

He has no business confronting her directly because Sasha's choices (like the ONS with Michael) and her pregnancy are none of his business. She's not a minor and he's not her parent/elder sibling or the baby's father. He's just acting entitled because he still has feelings for her and resents that she's moving on with her life. He got mad at Maxie because she didn't tell him Sasha's pregnant (almost like "how could you not tell me she cheated on me?"), and she rightly told him it was not her place to share what Sasha told her in confidence.

He also knows that Sasha just found out Robert is her father shortly before Robert left town with Holly, so they didn't put in the time together to build a father-daughter relationship. Sasha has expressed her thoughts/wishes regarding Robert to someone she trusts - Felicia - in private. She never confided in Cody, never asked for his opinion, and he certainly never saw or heard her sobbing "woe is me, I'm so sorry baby that your father has abandoned us." The acting in the scene with Anna screamed to me, "I'm angry, hurt and jealous and I feel Sasha's father should come back to force Jason to do right by her."

 

[dubbel zout]

52 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Sasha says that Willow's kids should have both parents in their lives but that her own child should have only her. That's very Carly logic.

So Michael's family are apparently okay for Michael's kids with Willow but not Sasha's? Alrighty then.

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[JMO]

14 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The acting in the scene with Anna screamed to me, "I'm angry, hurt and jealous and I feel Sasha's father should come back to force Jason to do right by her."

 

I see that, yes.  I also know that the entire situation is unique, and I understand Cody's reaction to it. 

It's not likely we'll agree, but how boring would it be to have a discussion board where everyone thinks alike?

[Sake614]

Did I imagine Sonny basically agreeing to Ric’s request and everyone completely ignoring him? I clearly heard him say ‘let’s do it’ followed by everyone continuing to talk. And then as he almost had another heart attack, he went back to ‘see you in court.’ At least Diane told him that Ava has a stronger case than he does because of the bomb and the only reason he still has custody is because Avery wasn’t in the penthouse when it went kaboom . But Kristina can jump right off that high horse she’s riding. Avery should be with Sonny? Sonny is the better parent? Please spare me.

so from the previews, it finally dawned on Trina to call Curtis to talk to Kai. Why the hell didn’t Portia think of that? I suppose Curtis will reach out to the miracle doctor, who will perform his miracle surgery on Kai, thus ensuring he can play football again. He and Trina will fall madly in love as a result.  I want to like this guy but honestly the character is just so milquetoast. There’s no ‘there’ there. 

of course Drew wants to settle things in the boxing ring rather than have an actual adult conversation and explain the environmental issues to Curtis. And of course Curtis tipped his hand to Drew about his plan to sabotage Drew’s congressional career. Intelligent is not a word that has ever been used to describe Curtis. 

I understand Lulu is still in love with Dante. For her it’s only been since yesterday that she told Maxie she wanted to get back together with him. Just because everyone else has moved on doesn’t mean she has. I liked Laura’s advice to her about loving him as a friend. But then that all went straight to hell when she walked in on BLQ and Dante in the barn.

Do these writers truly not remember things they wrote? Cody just told BLQ that he hadn’t seen or thought of her until he started working for the Qs. I get not thinking about her for years if the last time they saw each other was as teens, but even that’s a retcon. We SAW them introduce themselves to each other after Cody parachuted into the MC pool. And even if they did know each other, that was well before he started working there. I just can’t with this nonsense anymore. Just like I can’t deal with him parading around town spilling Sasha’s pregnancy and his stupid assumption that it’s Jason’s baby and  Jason has to step up and do the right thing. It’s none of his damn business who the father is or what the father does or doesn’t do. It’s Sasha’s decision and hers alone! Gah! Why does this show insist on taking place in the 1940s and 50s?????