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41 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Shows how well I pay attention to this show. I could have sworn Laura told Ava they did donate it, but maybe she told her that it was the plan in the future. 

Correct - that is what Laura hopes will happen in the future when Ace is old enough to make a decision. Ava went to see Laura in her office to beg for help. Ava was incredulous that Laura wants to donate all of it and Laura responded yes, it's blood money.

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2 hours ago, DanaK said:

If the today’s episode hadn’t already been preempted because of sports, it would been for the attack in New Orleans

Last I heard, they were delaying the game 24 hours. I'm not into sports, so I don't know if the bowl game is the one that was pre-empted by the attack and if it will affect tomorrow's episode.

11 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

Is there a plausible reason why Avery spent Christmas Eve not with her bio father, not with her bio mother, but with her former step-mother?

Sonny was there for Christmas Eve and I imagine that he allowed Avery to spend the night with her sisters and Carly. 

Is it even Christmas morning still? Because Lucas was talking about calling out Willow the night before and we still haven't seen Michael and the kids for Christmas morning brunch.

We also had no Thanksgiving this year. I wonder if we are going to have NYE?

 

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I enjoyed the Alexis-Ava scenes. NLG and MW make great scene partners ...

especially in contrast to the icky Drew-Willow scenes. His ego refuses to let go and she's naive enough to go with her son to support him at a major public event where there will be press coverage.

Right now Lulu doesn't deserve Dante. And she was incredibly arrogant and naive to think that she alone could convince both Valentin and Charlotte and return to Port Charles without incident. I hope he just walks out on her tomorrow (preview) when she blames him again. 

Dr. Gannon's oath to do no harm is recently inconvenient in this start to the new year. Of course it's not in Sonny to show him the full and proper gratitude that is deserved.

Anna is really going off her rocker. What's next, have Jack Brennan followed to make sure he never looks in Emma's direction again?

I felt sorry for Sasha that Michael only agreed to what she was asking - couldn't even manage a tiny smile or congrats about the pregnancy news. 

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Willow is so irredeemably stupid. And Drew is such a nasty piece of work. Someone, took Scout away from him. Send him back to his dungeon in Greece.

Ava/Alexis. It's always nice to see veteran actors going toe-to-toe and bringing it.

Lulu should have stayed in her coma. No, ShrewLu. Valentin was not going to give up Charlotte.

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How fortunate for Sonny that a doctor happened to find him on the boxing ring floor. *rme* 

Michael, if you don't want your kids to see the worst of you and Willow, how about talking to her before turning the lawyers loose? You can suggest counseling, and if that doesn't work, discuss joint custody. 

Michael can support Sasha's baby from afar. I don't understand why everything has to be all or nothing. Compromise is not a weakness.

9 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I enjoyed the Alexis-Ava scenes. NLG and MW make great scene partners

They are great together—I will never not enjoy two pros doing their thing—but I didn't like Alexis being so smug about Ava not getting her money. Ava isn't asking for half of the Cassadine holdings. She's not being unreasonable here.

Sadly for me, I watched live and was unable to FF the Drew/Willow scenes. He's so gross, and I hate that they've made Willow such a dunderhead. She really thinks going to Drew's swearing-in will go unnoticed? And taking Wylie so he can see "democracy in action"? Even the Perfect Golden Child will be bored out of his mind.

The Anna/Brennan conversation was so WTF. Are they trying to show Anna is getting more and more paranoid? Brennan's "conversation" with Emma was so minimal as to be laughable.

5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Lulu should have stayed in her coma. No, ShrewLu. Valentin was not going to give up Charlotte.

DIdn't you listen? If Dante hadn't barged in, Lulu and Charlotte would be winging their way back to Port Charles. He ruined everything. *more rme*

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6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

The Anna/Brennan conversation was so WTF. Are they trying to show Anna is getting more and more paranoid? Brennan's "conversation" with Emma was so minimal as to be laughable.

Thought the same. This would only make sense if Brennan had recruited her when she was very young, been her handler at the WSB, and forced her to do horrible things à la Nikita.

Right now, it’s completely irrational and over the top.

Have we eliminated the possibility that she was Alex? I think I’ve asked this before…

Really wish show had surprised me and had Sonny die of a heart attack on NYE. Now, I don’t care why he doesn’t want to take care of his health issues, I don’t care about hot doctor helping him, I just don’t care.

No matter how good NLG and MW are, this “lost divorce settlement” money, with Nikolas still alive, is too bonkers too.

So no Thanksgiving, hardly any Christmas and not one NYE kiss. 

So very disappointing, GH.

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I was surprised that Sasha decided to tell Michael, especially since at this point she expects to leave PC, and he need never know there was a baby.  Surprised again at how calmly and maturely they were able to discuss it.  I'm not used to mature conversations on this show.

I don't know what to make of Brennan's henchwoman in Prague.  She's either a very bad professional sniper or she didn't intend to hit anyone.  So maybe she was there to help make sure Valentin got away.  

Maybe Lulu has some residual hepatic encephalopathy, making it hard for her to actually think a plan all the way through.  Elsewhere in medical issues, I was sad to see Sonny diagnosed with a treatable condition.

Re: Anna.  My mind goes back to Emma coming in at 4:30 AM and then lying about where she'd been.  I think it was supposed to have been the overnight between Christmas Eve and Christmas, which isn't exactly a good night for bar-hopping, so Anna would suspect something else was going on, and having heard they'd met, she would suspect Brennan's involvement.  I thought this was much less out of character for Anna than have been many other recent behaviors.

Willow is acting like an idiot, Drew like a predator.  He's shown absolutely no concern for any of the children involved in this situation, and can't see beyond his own appetite for the woman married to his nephew.

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There is  no way that Wiley has any interest in seeing Drew get sworn in. Is she planning for Amelia to stay with her father while she takes Wylie on this ridiculous trip to DC.

Ah Girl Reporter. You never fail to disappoint. Did she really believe that an experienced spy like Valentin would not check Charlotte's bag for the tracking tag. Hell he probably saw her when she tried to sneak the tag in the bag in plain sight in the cafe.

No NYE. I wonder if we get Valentine's Day this year.

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 

 

They are great together—I will never not enjoy two pros doing their thing—but I didn't like Alexis being so smug about Ava not getting her money. Ava isn't asking for half of the Cassadine holdings. She's not being unreasonable here.

 

Hard agree. Alexis's smug was pretty insufferable. 

And Willow can't possibly be this dense. She just filed for separation and she's going to go to DC with the guy she cheated on her husband with!?;?!

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I happened to see the swearing-in ceremony on tv a couple of years ago. Unless things have changed, all 435 representatives are sworn in at once in the House chambers. They do get a chance for an individual photo op later, but Willow and Wiley would be up in the nosebleed seats, not close up and near by.

And Sonny, you made sure the doctor wouldn't talk, but how about the EMTs? I don't think they have to worry about HIPPA rules when they talk to their colleagues about getting called to the gym for a guy that might be having a heart attack, and turned out to be Sonny Corinthos,  but he refused to go with them, so the trip was basically a waste of their time 

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Anna  tasering Brennan  was stupid but I have to say, I'd rather seen Brennan/Anna than Brennan/Carly or Anna/Jason.

On 1/1/2025 at 10:16 AM, Sake614 said:

That’s what they wanted to do but Martin said it wasn’t permitted. That only when Ace is of legal age to inherit can HE then decide to donate it. 

How is it that Nik, the "legitimate" heir (although not since Laura was forced to marry Stavros) was not able to give away the money in a divorce settlement but Ace, his illegitimate son, will be able to give away the entire fortune when he turns 18?  Either the money belongs to the estate and not to the heir or it doesn't.

This gets more and more stupid.

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

DIdn't you listen? If Dante hadn't barged in, Lulu and Charlotte would be winging their way back to Port Charles. He ruined everything. *more rme*

At this point, if I were Dante, I would be thinking that the trade of Sam for Lulu is a bad deal.

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Is a doctor who just comes across a person having an emergency really bound by doctor/patient confidentiality?

1 hour ago, rur said:

And Sonny, you made sure the doctor wouldn't talk, but how about the EMTs? I don't think they have to worry about HIPPA rules when they talk to their colleagues about getting called to the gym for a guy that might be having a heart attack, and turned out to be Sonny Corinthos,

I don't know the HIPAA rules but in the Canadian equivalence both the doctor and the EMTs would be bound to confidentiality. Everyone in the "circle of care" is.

1 hour ago, sacrebleu said:

And Willow can't possibly be this dense. She just filed for separation and she's going to go to DC with the guy she cheated on her husband with!?;?!

Willow is impossibly dense Drew is using both Scout and Wylie to get his hooks into her and all she sees is her knight in shining armour.

While Sasha carrying Michael's baby would be a problem in a custody fight, I'm pretty sure that Wylie and Amelia won't care in a couple of years if Michael has another child given that Willow is all up in Drew's glory.

If Nina hired a new nanny for Wylie and Amelia, what is the nanny in the gatehouse doing?

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4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:
5 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I enjoyed the Alexis-Ava scenes. NLG and MW make great scene partners

They are great together—I will never not enjoy two pros doing their thing—but I didn't like Alexis being so smug about Ava not getting her money. Ava isn't asking for half of the Cassadine holdings. She's not being unreasonable here.

Same.  I'm so very, very tired of the writers picking 2 or 3 characters who can never, ever be viewed in a positive light.  Like, this storyline is absolutely ridiculous and convoluted and Alexis was acting like it was the most obvious thing in the world that an entire divorce settlement got taken away from Ava by some unknown person or persons.  Do better, Alexis.

I'm shocked Drew didn't take it a step further and push Willow to hold the Bible for him when he's sworn in.  He's so gross.  But I wouldn't worry about Wiley being bored.  He's probably in his phase of being *fascinated* by history.  /s 

Oh, Girl Reporter.  Have not missed this side of you.  

 

 

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Anna becomes more ridiculous by the day, she should be locked up not police commissioner. 

Brennan was introduced to Emma by Joss. Anna goes and tasers then handcuffs the man?  She needs to be fired she's as much a thug as the criminals she claims to want behind bars. 

Alexis should have laughed in Ava's face. Ava forgot she turned Alexis into bar? Lost her licence over her. 

I'm really annoyed by Ava's ridiculous money story, sleazy Drew/dumb as rocks Willow and the unwanted intro to "ShrewLu" (I was on the barge during most of ER's and bits of JMB's time.) 

TFGH, indeed. Nothing like being highly entertained for a month and then see it revert so quickly we could all sue for whiplash. 

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I know doctors are supposed to be in the business of saving lives, but if you think of all the lives that could be saved by not saving Sonny, then Isaiah really should have just given him a pat on the head, a lollipop, and an "I'm sure it's nothing, you'll be fine".  

Run Charlotte, run far away and completely offscreen! And give Lulu a head injury so that she forgets all about her.  Poor Dante, I'd be talking to doctors to see if they could give Sam's liver back at this point.  

This Cassadine money story is just mind-numbingly stupid.  

Drew and Willow are just ick.  

Good conversation between Michael and Sasha, but SM's accent was really trying to come out today and it was distracting.  

Overall I would have preferred an hour of watching Lucky and Liz doing investigating and Ric and Alexis sniping at each other.  

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9 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

The Anna/Brennan conversation was so WTF. Are they trying to show Anna is getting more and more paranoid? Brennan's "conversation" with Emma was so minimal as to be laughable.

Anna is a legacy character that has brought some entertainment over the decades. Now, the way she's being portrayed, I hope Anna is part of the ongoing cast culling. In a perfect world, Laura (who seems to have very convenient blind spots about people at times) finds out about all of Anna's unethical, looney behavior and replaces her with either Mac, Lucky, or Dante.

9 hours ago, JMO said:

I was surprised that Sasha decided to tell Michael, especially since at this point she expects to leave PC, and he need never know there was a baby.  Surprised again at how calmly and maturely they were able to discuss it.  I'm not used to mature conversations on this show.

I thought the exact same thing! Rational, mature conversations on GH are not exactly common, and it was a nice change of pace to see two adults discuss something calmly and logically. It was also surprising to see SLS give up claim to his latest spawn so easily. Wonder what is condition to Sasha will be? Hopefully it's that he can just set up a generous trust fund for the baby.

10 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Right now Lulu doesn't deserve Dante. And she was incredibly arrogant and naive to think that she alone could convince both Valentin and Charlotte and return to Port Charles without incident. I hope he just walks out on her tomorrow (preview) when she blames him again. 

And just like that, all of Alexa Havin's initial great work has gone straight into the crapper. A damn shame. And Dante doesn't have any potential new pairing on the horizon - he and Sasha might have been nice, but it looks like she's leaving.

10 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Dr. Gannon's oath to do no harm is recently inconvenient in this start to the new year. Of course it's not in Sonny to show him the full and proper gratitude that is deserved.

TIIC always seem to screw up a promising new character. Looks like Dr. Gannon is going to be sucked into Mooby's orbit, maybe as his personal doctor. Heaven forbid the character get some juicy hospital-oriented stories not involving the mob.

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22 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Anna is a legacy character that has brought some entertainment over the decades. Now, the way she's being portrayed, I hope Anna is part of the ongoing cast culling. In a perfect world, Laura (who seems to have very convenient blind spots about people at times) finds out about all of Anna's unethical, looney behavior and replaces her with either Mac, Lucky, or Dante.

It's have to be Mac. He's already been commissioner. I'm not sure why he left or was ever demoted. Dante is compromised as the son of the #1 citizen who should be thrown in prison. Lucky isn't qualified and I doubt he'd want the job considering they've been leaning into the "Lucky is just like Luke" narrative since he returned. It's sad how I feel about Anna now given she (and Robert) were the reasons I started watching back in the late 80s. 

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12 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Lulu should have stayed in her coma. No, ShrewLu. Valentin was not going to give up Charlotte.

It seemed like it to me. Not because of Lulu's great debate skills to be fair but because he knows it's a crap life for Charlotte.

Also I think JPS and AH had great chemistry and if they hooked up I wouldn't object.

13 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Right now Lulu doesn't deserve Dante. And she was incredibly arrogant and naive to think that she alone could convince both Valentin and Charlotte and return to Port Charles without incident. I hope he just walks out on her tomorrow (preview) when she blames him again. 

That's convenient for her because she didn't ask for Dante. And it seemed like she was about to convince him to let her come with him and Dante came in and wrecked any trust. Was it malicious of him? No obviously not but she didn't ask for his help and the guy did not give a damn about helping Charlotte before this. I don't blame her for being pissed.

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7 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Anna is a legacy character that has brought some entertainment over the decades. Now, the way she's being portrayed, I hope Anna is part of the ongoing cast culling. In a perfect world, Laura (who seems to have very convenient blind spots about people at times) finds out about all of Anna's unethical, looney behavior and replaces her with either Mac, Lucky, or Dante.

Martin already told Laura what Anna and Jaysus did to him-kidnapping him and threatening him to find out where Valentin was and Laura didn't bat an eyelash. Just told him that she told Anna to to do whatever to find Valentin. So I very much doubt she'll fire Anna even though Anna deserves to be fired.

6 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

It's have to be Mac. He's already been commissioner. I'm not sure why he left or was ever demoted.

I can't remember why Mac left the position as Commissioner, either. I think he still was when Dante joined the show and Mac hired him after the ridonkulous "I shot myself in the chest while cleaning my gun" bullshit and left the NYPD. Then Anna came back and became Commissioner. And then Anna was fired by the mayor for...reasons and Jordan was hired in her place. And now it's back to Anna.

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I dont think Sasha is leaving. I think Michael's condition is going to be about letting Jason know so that he can help her out. That will make Michael feel OK in letting go of his child, knowing that Jason is keeping an eye out. And, of course, Sasha will say yes because Jason saved her life. And Jason being involved is going to keep her around.

Michael will tell Jason, but swear him to secrecy. Jason will agree, probably thinking Michael will change his mind. And until then Jason will know about a Michael spawn that Carly does not.

Mwahahaha!!!!

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13 hours ago, statsgirl said:

At this point, if I were Dante, I would be thinking that the trade of Sam for Lulu is a bad deal.

LOL. Though I give the show credit for writing Lulu in character. She's always had an unreasonable belief in her powers of persuasion.

5 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't blame her for being pissed.

Lulu has every right to be angry, but Valentin was not going to let Charlotte go. He's always been extremely possessive of her, even when they all lived in PC.

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14 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Lulu has every right to be angry, but Valentin was not going to let Charlotte go. He's always been extremely possessive of her, even when they all lived in PC.

Does Lulu know yet that BLQ, Valentin and Charlotte were a happy little family unit, living at the Qs?

That might actually put her back in her coma. Sam's magic liver be damned.

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34 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL. Though I give the show credit for writing Lulu in character. She's always had an unreasonable belief in her powers of persuasion.

Lulu has every right to be angry, but Valentin was not going to let Charlotte go. He's always been extremely possessive of her, even when they all lived in PC.

Yeah but the show likes portraying him as a great dad. He took her because Lulu was in a coma. Now that she isn't I can buy he would feel like he has an obligation to free her per se.

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5 hours ago, ulkis said:

That's convenient for her because she didn't ask for Dante. And it seemed like she was about to convince him to let her come with him and Dante came in and wrecked any trust. Was it malicious of him? No obviously not but she didn't ask for his help and the guy did not give a damn about helping Charlotte before this. I don't blame her for being pissed.

She didn't ask for Dante, but her actions show she needs him for support (not thinking clearly) and he's also looking out for their son. NuLulu isn't showing any thought for taking anti-rejection drugs, isn't thinking about Rocco's feelings on Christmas - only "I'm getting Charlotte back by myself!" She didn't pause for a moment to realize/understand she could easily become disabled, hurt, or killed while going after Valentin without any kind of a plan or back up. She's lucky her ex-husband is a good dad who also is concerned for her well-being. He tackled/shielded her when the sniper shot. She should be thanking him instead of behaving like a reckless brat. Both Laura and Rocco should be furious with her.

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1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Yeah but the show likes portraying him as a great dad. He took her because Lulu was in a coma. Now that she isn't I can buy he would feel like he has an obligation to free her per se.

No, he ran off with Charlotte because the Feds were coming to arrest his ass. He could have and should have left her with Laura. Instead, he erases his and Charlotte's social presence everywhere. Father of the Year, that one. So that not even Laura-who had custody of Charlotte for a time-to keep her safe from Valentine and Not!Victor during the recast, before the original actress came back. And then the brainwashing that led to her stalking Anna, which led to Anna shooting her.

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1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Yeah but the show likes portraying him as a great dad. He took her because Lulu was in a coma. Now that she isn't I can buy he would feel like he has an obligation to free her per se.

And it's not like it would be the first time he went off without her. He's left her with Laura and with Dante and Sam for extended stretches of time in the past. Charlotte hasn't been with her mother for four years, and she's missed her. Add in that Valentin is living on the run, and I could fully buy that he'd eventually give in and decide to let Charlotte go home with Lulu for a while. 

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1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Yeah but the show likes portraying him as a great dad.

Valentin is a great dad the way Sonny is a great dad, i.e., because the show insists he is. Simply loving your kid—and Val and Sonny do love their kids—doesn't make you a good parent. That's the very least a parent can do. These two dads treat their kids as pawns and weapons.

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I wasn't paying attention the last time we had conscious Lulu and Valentin on screen, so I only have a vague sense that they'd reached some sort of detente over Charlotte.  Had they?

As to now---I suspect Brennan somehow gave Valentin a heads up about Lulu, but since it hasn't been seen on screen, perhaps we're supposed to think that the first Valentin knew of Lulu's miraculous awakening was when he followed Charlotte to the cafe.  In that case, I could understand his need to think it through.  On the other hand, pretty much everyone else got over their surprise about Lulu within a few seconds, so maybe Valentin should have as well.

2 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

She'd likely have inherited from Victor, Julian and Olivia (Jerome, not Quartermaine!)

I don't know about Victor or Olivia, but she inherited Charlie's and sold it to Sonny. As for the rest of Julian's estate, it would have gone most likely to Leo. Maybe Lucas and Sam. Meanwhile Kim had a son and he might be Julian's.

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27 minutes ago, JMO said:

I suspect Brennan somehow gave Valentin a heads up about Lulu

I thought, by the way Valentin spoke, he was aware of Charlotte meeting up with Lulu.   So I assumed Charlotte told him, or showed him the photo.  He was probably behind the "come alone" requirement.

Ava never seemed to be hurting for money.  And the Gallery seems to be making money, despite the high school level art that is displayed.

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11 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I thought, by the way Valentin spoke, he was aware of Charlotte meeting up with Lulu.   So I assumed Charlotte told him, or showed him the photo.  He was probably behind the "come alone" requirement.

He knew and allowed the meeting to happen.

12 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Ava never seemed to be hurting for money.  And the Gallery seems to be making money, despite the high school level art that is displayed.

She never did, but the stupid plot requires it, so she's entering a rich person's poor house. 

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5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Oscar was Drew's son, back when Drew was played by Billy Miller.

He's still Drew's son, but Oscar was dead before CamMat was cast.

Before Julian was killed, he went to see Kim in NYC to say goodby to her. Instead he met her nanny and found out Kim had a son named Andy. At the time, the nanny called Kim after Julian left and she assured Kim that Julian had no idea that Andy was his son.

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3 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

NuLulu isn't showing any thought for taking anti-rejection drugs

Neither has Maxie for 30 years, or Jordan. Unfortunately the show treats transplants like a surgery without after effects.

3 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

She should be thanking him instead of behaving like a reckless brat. Both Laura and Rocco should be furious with her.

If anyone had given a damn about Charlotte while she was in a coma she wouldn't have had to go though. I know Laura said she tried looking but that didn't seem to happen before Lulu woke up.

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