Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Grinaldi]

For JJ I have to assume they are waiting to take the picture until after he washes his hair.

And can they retake Charles Mesure's while they're at it when he is not smelling a dead skunk or whatever caused him to make that face.

Edited December 21 by Grinaldi

[Suicidy]

On 12/17/2024 at 12:25 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

So was Ric advising Elizabeth to stay away from the hospital for her benefit? Meaning, was he giving her good advice, so if someone else is murdered, they can't blame her because she wasn't in/at the hospital?

Pretty much.  And Ric was helping her as a friend, so Lucky didn’t have to be a dick to him while Ric was in the process of doing the favor.  Even if he has good reason to dislike him.  I despise that kind of ingratitude.

On 12/20/2024 at 1:19 AM, tessaray said:

So, Jason's potential pairings are Robin's sister or Robin's mother? I'd almost rather see him with Carly. 

So would Carly.

[JMO]

Was Liz offered an administrative leave with pay versus doing administrative work in house?  I'd assumed that she'd chosen the in house job because she couldn't afford to go without a paycheck for an indefinite length of time.

[Suicidy]

On 12/20/2024 at 11:30 AM, KittyQ said:

I don't know that this meets the definition of "insider trading", but it is clearly fraud and stock manipulation. On top of that, this scheme will harm all the other stock holders who have presumably bought Aurora with the expectation that the owners/CEOs/company officers have a duty to protect the company against this kind of loss. Imagine those people whose investments are suddenly tanking, right before Christmas, or those people depending on this income for their retirements. 

Did Michael and Curtis learn nothing from Carly and Drew? Or did they actually believe that baloney about how unfair it was that the SEC was tipped off to their insider trading - after all, Carly didn't even make any money on it? This is way worse. 

All of them could stand do a dime in the federal pen.

20 hours ago, jsbt said:

I've said all this before, but I was all in on Drew/Nina under Mulcahey and the Willow affair. I think his intention was to invert his own story from Guiding Light, where schmoozing politician Ross Marler is in a triangle with mother and daughter and ends up with the daughter, Blake. He remolded Drew into Ross and went to town, and I think Cameron plays that schmoozing, cocky sort of cad with a heart well. 

Since PM's exit they have made Drew into more of an overt heel/dick, and I think Cameron actually plays that well too. He is performing the role as scripted, I don't fault him for that. I suspect Drew will get gunned down or otherwise murdered very shortly, but I would be happy with seeing him continue because the show needs more Quartermaine operators like that.

The problem is he is now wildly unpopular with the audience, including on here. Some of those reasons are certainly valid enough given all the shit he's pulled, I get it. But for other members of the online audience GH has honestly just trained them to not expect soap opera behavior from people and not tolerate it. Characters like Drew Q were a dime a dozen back in the day, but GH has so few actual scoundrels, schemers or gladhanding politicians today that aren't either all white or all black in their nature. And a lot of people just seem to recoil at them now. So I think he's dunzo soon. It's too bad, because I'd probably rather have seen Who Shot Drew vs. Who Killed Drew. Both are good stories I expect GH to squander. But had he been handled with more care like earlier in the year he (and the tawdry affair with Willow, which has been totally rushed through and mishandled, to say nothing of a Nina endgame) could've run for a long time. JMO.

This is why I like having Ric back.  The actor is good I the role and Ric is a great grey character.  Kind of a bad guy, but one isn’t a true villain, and happens to be right a good portion of the time (like with that stupid homicide case against Ava).

 

[Suicidy]

On 12/20/2024 at 7:29 AM, Cheyanne11 said:

I swear if they go the 'his plane went down and he's missing/presumed dead' trope again I will burn this place down.*

*Not really.  I'll just sigh heavily and shake my head. 

Yeah, that’s been going on forever.  I first saw that on Dark Shadows (in syndication, I’m not THAT old) when they had Burke Devlin’s plane go down in South America,  same thing on Dallas when Jim Davis died and they had to write Jock out of the show.  His chopper crashed in the interior of the Amazon rainforest.

Nothing has changed.

[Suicidy]

20 hours ago, DanaK said:

No episode Christmas Day in favor of basketball. It looks like December 24 is a repeat

As a loyal viewer, I detest being pushed aside at the slightest excuse in favor of…… basically everything else.

22 hours ago, Desperado said:

I loved Nina calling Ava for help and her bringing Ric. It made things so much more interesting (RH taking the whisky bottle before going into the kitchen was hilarious). It was too bad Alexis called him away. Couldn’t she just invite him for Christmas on the phone?

A Brennan day is always a good day for me but Carly inviting him to spend Christmas Eve w/ her and Sonny is… awkward? Why did he even accept? Oh well, I’m always up for the show mixing people up.

Cody was annoying me to no end with his “woe is me I don’t want to have a family, please beg me to go” attitude. And we all knew he would show up i  the end.

Can anyone remind me of the show schedule is for next week?

Why did Brennan accept?  A guy will follow a girl almost anywhere if he thinks she’s hot enough and he might get somewhere with her.  

[KerleyQ]

20 hours ago, jsbt said:

I've said all this before, but I was all in on Drew/Nina under Mulcahey and the Willow affair. I think his intention was to invert his own story from Guiding Light, where schmoozing politician Ross Marler is in a triangle with mother and daughter and ends up with the daughter, Blake. He remolded Drew into Ross and went to town, and I think Cameron plays that schmoozing, cocky sort of cad with a heart well. 

Since PM's exit they have made Drew into more of an overt heel/dick, and I think Cameron actually plays that well too. He is performing the role as scripted, I don't fault him for that. I suspect Drew will get gunned down or otherwise murdered very shortly, but I would be happy with seeing him continue because the show needs more Quartermaine operators like that.

The problem is he is now wildly unpopular with the audience, including on here. Some of those reasons are certainly valid enough given all the shit he's pulled, I get it. But for other members of the online audience GH has honestly just trained them to not expect soap opera behavior from people and not tolerate it. Characters like Drew Q were a dime a dozen back in the day, but GH has so few actual scoundrels, schemers or gladhanding politicians today that aren't either all white or all black in their nature. And a lot of people just seem to recoil at them now. So I think he's dunzo soon. It's too bad, because I'd probably rather have seen Who Shot Drew vs. Who Killed Drew. Both are good stories I expect GH to squander. But had he been handled with more care like earlier in the year he (and the tawdry affair with Willow, which has been totally rushed through and mishandled, to say nothing of a Nina endgame) could've run for a long time. JMO.

I saw the whole Willow/Drew thing coming from the moment they had the scene where he told her about ending things with Carly. There was just something about it. And, honestly, I think that CM and KM have chemistry, so I was interested in giving it a shot. (Plus, Michael suffering? Sign me up.) Then he had hate sex with Nina, and the old school soapiness of the idea of Willow/Drew/Nina had me really hoping I wasn't wrong about where they were headed. 

Over the years, soaps have jettisoned all of the really dramatic twisted stuff and stuck with the same boring handful of predictable soap plots. So I'm just happy that we're getting a more old school plot that, at some point, all the soaps seemed to decide was just too much or something. Drew could stand to have a little more nuance, though. Maybe CM needs to sit down and pick MEK's brain for how to play the cad an audience wants to watch. Maybe the writers should sit in on that conversation, too.  CM is far better as a gray character or bad guy than he's ever been as a good guy. Ryan Lavery lost every bit of his charm and fun the second they made him a "hero" on AMC. 

At this point, what I'd do to get things back on course would be for Nina to decide to pull away from Drew, because she sees how Willow feels about him, even though Willow still only sees Drew as her hero, not the messy not so great guy he is. They both agree they can never tell Willow what's happened between them, and build things like that for a while. All along, we'll all know, of course, that the truth will come out. Ideally, I'd have Willow find out without them knowing or have her start suspecting something. Maybe she sees them exchanging some looks sometimes, or comes in on the tail end of some conversations that seem intense. Then let her fuck with them a little bit. Keep setting them up in uncomfortable situations to see how they act, that kind of thing. Willow could stand to be a little more gray than just the cheater who, even the men she's cheated on think she only cheats because she has real feelings she can't help, or some such shit. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

16 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

same thing on Dallas when Jim Davis died and they had to write Jock out of the show.  

But the situation with Jim Davis isn’t the same as what this show did with Billy Miller’s Drew. Jim, bless him, continued to work while suffering from brain cancer for almost two years. How they wrote Jock’s death was done very well. As an adult when I reattached, the bad hair makes sense as they were wigs and they had Jim sit as much as possible.

Back to this show. It’s like Willow is just realizing who she married? With Mooby as his father and Cujo as his mother?

And while Cameron is doing a good job playing the sleazeoid, he ain’t no innocent victim in this at all. No one is. But his ingratiating himself as this poor put upon victim makes me want to punch him in the face.

My heart would such the HAPPY 💃 if Anna’s surprise ended up being Robin. But it’s most likely Emma, as she’s been the one to make appearances, what with Jason Thompson (Patrick) still on Y&R. Why would Robin show up without Patrick and Noah?

[Melgaypet]

I know Genie isn't really Jonathan's mother, but she has known him since he was, what, ten years old? Ma'am, drag him by the ear to a shower or at least a hair stylist's sink.

 

4 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Over the years, soaps have jettisoned all of the really dramatic twisted stuff and stuck with the same boring handful of predictable soap plots.

I just deleted like three paragraphs of rambling word vomit that said the same thing as this. I couldn't agree more.

Edited December 21 by Melgaypet

[ASpring1900]

43 minutes ago, Suicidy said:

As a loyal viewer, I detest being pushed aside at the slightest excuse in favor of…… basically everything else.

Gotta say this is why I love Days on Peacock-- new episodes every single weekday, even on holidays.

[norahs99]

I'm going to disagree with several of you who have feel CM is doing a good job as NewDrew as I've taken to call him in my head. The writers decided to take Drew down a character road that makes no sense, IMO. They gave us no reason/rationale/idea why Drew is now such a sleaze, and CM's performance isn't helping.  He's displayed no ability to turn this sh!#-to-sugar. He says the words and does the things, but I find nothing behind it.  By example, one of the reasons that Ric Hearst has been one of my favorite actors on this show is he's demonstrated an ability to take anything the writers give him and make it compelling in his performance. Either CM is incapable or is unable to do the same.

[Daisy]

25 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

I just deleted like three paragraphs of rambling word vomit that said the same thing as this. I couldn't agree more.

i like word vomit so next time share. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Over the years, soaps have jettisoned all of the really dramatic twisted stuff and stuck with the same boring handful of predictable soap plots. So I'm just happy that we're getting a more old school plot that, at some point, all the soaps seemed to decide was just too much or something. Drew could stand to have a little more nuance, though. Maybe CM needs to sit down and pick MEK's brain for how to play the cad an audience wants to watch. Maybe the writers should sit in on that conversation, too.  CM is far better as a gray character or bad guy than he's ever been as a good guy. Ryan Lavery lost every bit of his charm and fun the second they made him a "hero" on AMC. 

 

 

and it's hilarious how everyone is like "Drew is stalking Willow and not respecting her boundaries." and I'm just here thinking like if every soap guy who was about to enter a soap romance actually listened to the soap girl's request to be left alone... we'd have no supercouples of yesteryear. we'd have no soap drama at all. KatyMc and CamMat are playing this as if they are at least in mega lust. I don't get any "Molly, you in danger girl." vibes.

[ciarra]

So Ava and Ric had special reservations for some Xmas Eve restaurant event?  What were they going to pay with, buttons?

Edited December 22 by ciarra

[sas616]

On 12/20/2024 at 9:21 PM, FilmTVGeek80 said:

The writing is starting to become very Jagger-esque.

Exactly what I've been thinking.  For some reason, the writers decided to the bus over Drew (over and over again) just like they did with Cates.   When John Cates came on the show, he was as a pretty decent, likable guy.  Suddenly, he became a nutcase out for revenge.   Right now, Drew is just a nutcase.   Maybe his "revenge" is coming after what Michael and Curtis did.

[Winston Wolfe]

15 hours ago, Suicidy said:

On 12/20/2024 at 4:19 AM, tessaray said:

So, Jason's potential pairings are Robin's sister or Robin's mother? I'd almost rather see him with Carly. 

Jasus almost looks old enough to be Sasha's Father at this point. Funny, with all the body-shaming GH inflicted on Steve Kanan back in the day, he's aged a zillion times better than Burton. Also, keeping Jasus in Leather Jackets at his age is bordering on parody now, IMO.

[sunnyface]

Been on the barge since Jason's return and after watching a couple of scenes on ABC.com, it is amazing how weak the younger set (both the Joss and the ever boring Chase/Brook/Sasha set) of actors is compared to the rest.  It's the same writing, direction, and production for the older and the younger actors.  Genie and Jane will always be in the upper-stratosphere of soap actors but MW, NLG, and CW nearly always show up and carry their scenes.  My finger cannot get to the fast-forward button quick enough for the Joss or Chase age-group.  And Chad D (just watched the affair reveal at the Qs and of course it was Carly-centric) was one of the least cardboard of the actors. 

During one of the new Kristina's (she's my favorite of the under 40 crowd) recent scene at Sonny's empty restaurant,  he promised her that 'Ava will pay'.  I was wondering if Sonny had suffered any repercussions for murdering a federal law officer.  TIA.

Anyways - Thrilled to have both Liz and Dante reanimated.  These two actors should be featured instead of LW and MB.  But to be able to witness Tracy and Laura after FIVE DECADES,  GH  got it in spades. 

Edited December 23 by sunnyface

[Desperado]

13 hours ago, ciarra said:

So Ava and Ric had special reservations for some Xmas Eve restaurant event?  What were they going to pay with, buttons?

Did I miss something or is Ava not even investigating her loss of funds? I would’ve expected her to be on the war path but now it seems like a writer hiccup?

[DanaK]

1 hour ago, sunnyface said:

I was wondering if Sonny had suffered any repercussions for murdering a federal law officer. 

Not yet. It seemed characters were being questioned for a few episodes, then it faded

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, sunnyface said:

  I was wondering if Sonny had suffered any repercussions for murdering a federal law officer. 

Nope. Because Mooby never pays for anything.

11 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Not yet. It seemed characters were being questioned for a few episodes, then it faded

Not exactly. Alexis was originally charged and on trial for Jagger’s murder. Mooby was going to supposedly confess when the gun Alexis threw in the river showed up and since that wasn’t the murder weapon and ballistics didn’t match, case dismissed, Mooby skates, and the case is forgotten.

[DanaK]

5 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Nope. Because Mooby never pays for anything.

Not exactly. Alexis was originally charged and on trial for Jagger’s murder. Mooby was going to supposedly confess when the gun Alexis threw in the river showed up and since that wasn’t the murder weapon and ballistics didn’t match, case dismissed, Mooby skates, and the case is forgotten.

Thanks. I thought there was a trial with someone but I couldn't remember the details

[Mirabelle]

They could have at least had Willow and Drew have sex in response to a life or death situation instead of getting it on in the family nursery. The first is a soap staple - we could all probably name a few characters who had a sexual encounter with a non-spouse because a plane had crashed or they were stuck in a cave or an elevator. Those tunnels beneath Wyndemere can't be too stable. Drew and Willow should have gotten stuck in one, thought they were dying, so gave into their feelings. 

 

[Sake614]

16 hours ago, norahs99 said:

Either CM is incapable or is unable to do the same.

They’re both the same thing, unless you meant unwilling. In which case fire his sorry ass and let him keep making hallmark movies. Actually, I don’t even care why he can’t/won’t play nuance. Just fire his sorry ass and send him back to hallmark.

[NotMySekrit2Tell]

I'm confused about something, and I don't know whether this should be in the history thread or this one, so I'll just try my luck.  

Drewfus keeps running his mouth about how Aurora is a company he built "from the ground up." Is that a retcon (or the writers' amnesia, or different writers not knowing what the previous ones wrote) or are we supposed to be seeing Drew as a braggart who just says whatever makes him sound better? Isn't Aurora just the rebranded version of Julian Jerome's company, Something-Wells Media? The way I remember it, "Jason" and Sam bought that company to run together. Then "Jason" turned out to be Drew, and everything Drew owned was on Real Jason's dime, and it was Drew's luck (and Jason's lack of interest) that Jason didn't yank it away from him THEN. Now he's acting like he took some little struggling newspaper or TV station and labored and sweated until it was a media empire. Gah!  

Can they just make this character stop? They never do one thing right with him.

[GHScorpiosRule]

7 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

They could have at least had Willow and Drew have sex in response to a life or death situation instead of getting it on in the family nursery

They did. It was in response to Willow comforting Drew as he’d just learned of Sam’s death. Just like their second kiss was her comforting his “grief” over McKonkey’s death.

4 minutes ago, NotMySekrit2Tell said:

Drewfus keeps running his mouth about how Aurora is a company he built "from the ground up." Is that a retcon (or the writers' amnesia, or different writers not knowing what the previous ones wrote)

Take your pick. It could be either or both.

[Cheyanne11]

16 hours ago, Daisy said:

it's hilarious how everyone is like "Drew is stalking Willow and not respecting her boundaries." and I'm just here thinking like if every soap guy who was about to enter a soap romance actually listened to the soap girl's request to be left alone... we'd have no supercouples of yesteryear. we'd have no soap drama at all. KatyMc and CamMat are playing this as if they are at least in mega lust. I don't get any "Molly, you in danger girl." vibes.

She doesn't have to be in literal danger for it to be creepy.  Drew's a walking red flag, what with showing up at her door mere minutes after the shit hit the fan.  Then somehow finding out where she'd be the next day and showing up THERE.  The character is an utter mess and if the show is trying to sell some lustful connection between Drew and Willow it's failed miserably because it just comes off as Drew being a sleaze.  

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

Did I miss something or is Ava not even investigating her loss of funds? I would’ve expected her to be on the war path but now it seems like a writer hiccup?

I think this thread will be picked up after the in-show holiday episodes. 

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

if the show is trying to sell some lustful connection between Drew and Willow it's failed miserably because it just comes off as Drew being a sleaze. 

And Drew doesn't think he's being a sleaze, which is a problem for me. He thinks he's being all noble and respectful of Willow, and he's convinced he's a good guy here. He's not. Somehow he's an aggrieved party—what?

I also feel that CamMat doesn't want to play Drew as the sleaze, and that's not working for me. One reason Ric works for me is that Rick Hearst isn't afraid to make Ric unpleasant. He embraces Ric's dark side and even has some fun with it. (That's also why I enjoyed Wes Ramsey's Peter in the final months, because WR went all in on the mustache twirling. There was enough ham in that performance to fill a deli meat case.)

[GHScorpiosRule]

18 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And Drew doesn't think he's being a sleaze, which is a problem for me. He thinks he's being all noble and respectful of Willow, and he's convinced he's a good guy here. He's not. Somehow he's an aggrieved party—what?

Seriously! What would you (general you) call him skulking around Willow’s home that was pitch dark after everyone saw the video? Did he expect her to open her door and welcome him with open arms for more comforting?

With his whining to her about what Curtis and the SLS “did” to him, I fully expect more sex between them to take place. Because they were MEAN to Drew and stabbed his innocent self in the back.

[YaddaYadda]

2 hours ago, NotMySekrit2Tell said:

Drewfus keeps running his mouth about how Aurora is a company he built "from the ground up." Is that a retcon (or the writers' amnesia, or different writers not knowing what the previous ones wrote) or are we supposed to be seeing Drew as a braggart who just says whatever makes him sound better? Isn't Aurora just the rebranded version of Julian Jerome's company, Something-Wells Media? The way I remember it, "Jason" and Sam bought that company to run together. Then "Jason" turned out to be Drew, and everything Drew owned was on Real Jason's dime, and it was Drew's luck (and Jason's lack of interest) that Jason didn't yank it away from him THEN. Now he's acting like he took some little struggling newspaper or TV station and labored and sweated until it was a media empire. Gah!  

Yes. That's exactly what happened. Drew and Sam bought the company from Julian with Jason's mob money, which I don't think Drew gave Jason back in any case, and named Aurora after a small town he and Sam had ridden to on his motorcycle.

2 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

She doesn't have to be in literal danger for it to be creepy.  Drew's a walking red flag, what with showing up at her door mere minutes after the shit hit the fan.  Then somehow finding out where she'd be the next day and showing up THERE.  The character is an utter mess and if the show is trying to sell some lustful connection between Drew and Willow it's failed miserably because it just comes off as Drew being a sleaze.  

Drew is a stalker. There's no other way around it. Let's not forget how many times he called her and texted her before he showed up at the gatehouse. 

There's nothing romantic about this. Drew found someone who is looking at him with star-eyes, he loves it and is unwilling to let go of it. I can hate on Carly all I want, she hit the nail on the head when she told him that he finally found someone who is willing to put him first. And that's what Willow did, she invited him for Christmas, ignoring and refusing to see how this could potentially affect her custody case. 

And CM is just not a good actor. He can't even play any kind of nuance. If Drew is supposed to come off as genuine by using his moralizing tone and hands on heart, then that's a massive fail. Every time he puts his hands on his chest to show how genuine it is, I'm hoping it's a heart attack.

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

she hit the nail on the head when she told him that he finally found someone who is willing to put him first.

LOL, only Carly would make that sound like a bad thing. Isn't that how it should be in a relationship? The problem is that Willow is (supposedly happily) married, and Drew shouldn't be pursuing her. Of course, Willow isn't helping by falling for his wounded hero act. 

[YaddaYadda]

48 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL, only Carly would make that sound like a bad thing. Isn't that how it should be in a relationship? The problem is that Willow is (supposedly happily) married, and Drew shouldn't be pursuing her. Of course, Willow isn't helping by falling for his wounded hero act. 

Willow has issues. She needs to be decultified. 

[Sake614]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

What would you (general you) call him skulking around Willow’s home that was pitch dark after everyone saw the video? Did he expect her to open her door and welcome him with open arms for more comforting?

Yes actually. That’s exactly what he expected. And he’s probably not wrong, considering the way she’s been acting toward him ever since. The whole ‘oh noes you and scout will be all alone for Christmas! Come to Nina’s’ and ‘golly gee, how could Michael do such a terrible thing to such a wonderful man?’when she discovered Michael took Aurora away from him. 🤮

honestly I wish someone would suggest therapy to her because she really needs to understand why she keeps falling for men who will ‘save her.’ The woman has no agency.

[KerleyQ]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

honestly I wish someone would suggest therapy to her because she really needs to understand why she keeps falling for men who will ‘save her.’ The woman has no agency.

And, really, it shouldn't take a halfway decent therapist long to figure that out, once they hear all of her back story. Now, getting her to stop that pattern, on the other hand... 

Dammit, LW and CM, stop making me like Carly/Brennan. I shouldn't be hating myself this much this close to Christmas. 

Part of me hates that Cam had to comfort Joss, but then part of me would have been disappointed if he acted any other way, because Cam is one of those characters who is just deep down good and pure, and I wouldn't want to see him demean himself by letting Joss change that part of him. As it was, he was absolutely too good to her, but that's Cam. And I cracked up at Joss's shock to see he has someone new. Like he was supposed to be waiting on ice for her?  She should be happy he found someone who cares about him, just like she found someone. Well, you know, not just like she found someone, since Cam's someone came along after he was no longer part of a couple. But, if Joss wants to sell that whole "but Cam will always be one of my best friends" thing, then she doesn't get to feel any kind of way about him having moved on after she cheated on and then dumped him. 

Why is Nina always so wide-eyed and near hysteria? She needs to dial it down about 1,000 notches. I get she's got a lot going on and all, but, seriously, calm the fuck down, Nina. Willow would be even more naive than usual if Nina keeps acting like this and she doesn't figure out something is up. 

[FilmTVGeek80]

7 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Seriously! What would you (general you) call him skulking around Willow’s home that was pitch dark after everyone saw the video? Did he expect her to open her door and welcome him with open arms for more comforting?

With his whining to her about what Curtis and the SLS “did” to him, I fully expect more sex between them to take place. Because they were MEAN to Drew and stabbed his innocent self in the back.

The only time I found his behavior even slightly veering into stalker territory was that scene. Still, if Drew was thinking that it wouldn't have been at odds with how their relationship has played out.

I don't think Drew thinks he's innocent - and I don't think he's surprised by Michael's part in this - but I do think he has a right to be upset at how Curtis handled all of this.

 

6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Drew is a stalker. There's no other way around it. Let's not forget how many times he called her and texted her before he showed up at the gatehouse. 

There's nothing romantic about this. Drew found someone who is looking at him with star-eyes, he loves it and is unwilling to let go of it. I can hate on Carly all I want, she hit the nail on the head when she told him that he finally found someone who is willing to put him first. And that's what Willow did, she invited him for Christmas, ignoring and refusing to see how this could potentially affect her custody case. 

And CM is just not a good actor. He can't even play any kind of nuance. If Drew is supposed to come off as genuine by using his moralizing tone and hands on heart, then that's a massive fail. Every time he puts his hands on his chest to show how genuine it is, I'm hoping it's a heart attack.

I don't see Drew as a stalker at all. It's brought up constantly that Drew loves how she hero worships him (and that is true) but their attraction seemed to build on a mutual admiration society. It wasn't just Willow hero worshipping and blowing smoke up his butt, Drew did the same to her. When Willow quit her job working with him and asked him to stay away, he did. She was the one who insisted on being with him after he was sad about McConkey's death. She was the one who found him and kissed him the night they had sex. I'm not sure how Willow voluntarily inviting Drew over for Christmas is some example of him being a stalker. 

Carly only hit the nail on the head because she can't possibly grasp putting someone first in a relationship unless their name is Jason, so of course she sees it as something weird and wrong. It's not some character flaw that Drew wants to be with someone who puts him first. The issue, of course, is that the person he's found willing to do that is not only married, but married to his nephew.

I also disagree about CM's acting. I do think Drew genuinely has feelings for Willow. 

[statsgirl]

If I'm supposed to believe that Drew has feeling for Willow rather than just using her to prop his ego, he needs to start thinking about her a bit too.  The absolute worst thing for her right now is for him to be sniffing around her as she's trying to deal with the issues with Michael, and all Drew wants is for her to put him first over everyone else including her children. "No love, quoth he, but vanity sets love a task like that."

On 12/21/2024 at 5:46 PM, JMO said:

Was Liz offered an administrative leave with pay versus doing administrative work in house?  I'd assumed that she'd chosen the in house job because she couldn't afford to go without a paycheck for an indefinite length of time.

Portia gave her the choice of working administratively in the hospital or being at home. No paid leave was mentioned, showing once again what a terrible administrator Portia is.

11 hours ago, Desperado said:

Did I miss something or is Ava not even investigating her loss of funds? I would’ve expected her to be on the war path but now it seems like a writer hiccup?

I have little doubt that they will pick it up later but it once again demonstrates how terrible the pacing of this show is.

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL, only Carly would make that sound like a bad thing.

It's only a good thing if Carly is the one receiving all the attention. She was even angry with Jason for keeping Michael's confidence and not telling her immediately about Willow and Drew.

Narrator: when there are kids, they need to be put first. Points to Sonny for finally getting that.

[sacrebleu]

 

 

With his whining to her about what Curtis and the SLS “did” to him, I fully expect more sex between them to take place. Because they were MEAN to Drew and stabbed his innocent self in the back.

Yeah, more amnesia from the writer's. Willow was shocked, SHOCKED that Michael could be so devious. 

He married you to keep Nell from getting custody of Wiley.

He bribed a DA from Pennsylvania to get charges filed against Nina. 

He planted a mole in his father's organization to get dirt on his own father to have him thrown in jail.

He learned Nina was the informant for the insider trading charges against his mom/ Drew and used that info to manipulate Nina. 

I mean, Nina was waaay out of bounds hiring Martin without taking to Willow, but she's not wrong about the need for Willow to prepare for Michael to go scorched earth in a divorce/ custody battle. 

[dubbel zout]

16 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Narrator: when there are kids, they need to be put first. Points to Sonny for finally getting that.

You mean the way Sonny is putting Avery first by being in a custody battle with her mother?

[DanaK]

For someone who just got out of a 4 year coma and had a liver transplant, LuLu is sure gallivanting around pretty well lol

[nilyank]

Lois shouldn't play cards with anyone because she has a lousy pokerface.

Look BLQ's dad, hubby and son playing together.

So was this the first time Rocco got a text from Charlotte? Well Lulu you didn't listen to Tracy as you leave Rocco to hunt down Charlotte.

Where is Leo if there were no kids in the Q house?

So will 3rd time be the charm with the chemistry test between Gio/NuEmma.

Hmm they should have casted CM as nuJax.

 

 

Edited December 23 by nilyank

[statsgirl]

Avery and Donna want snowmen that they can see from their playroom window, so the adults plus Danny go outside to build them. Aren't kids supposed to be the ones building snowmen? Since we didn't see the building, they could have just said that the girls joined them and are now having hot chocolate with the nanny.

LOL at Carly telling Jason "you're not the boss of me."  The writer got the age group right.

What was the point of Gio and the wallet theft? That nuEmma is like Holly except Holly would have kept the money herself?

I got the feeling that NLG and RH were having fun with the hating exes scenes.

Who is this "very good man" that Ned and Jason were talking about? Not the Edward that I know.

They really are working very hard to make Jordan/Isaiah happen. And how could Isaiah take TJ's shifts when he himself was called in to cover that night?

I'm really glad that they are not forgetting Sam, with Dante and Danny.

9 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

Yeah, more amnesia from the writer's. Willow was shocked, SHOCKED that Michael could be so devious.

Or evidence of just how badly Willow needs therapy. Which is to say, very badly.

14 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Where is Leo if there were no kids in the Q house?

Ned told Jason that Olivia took him somewhere. Not sure where, I wasn't paying enough attention.

Edited December 23 by statsgirl

[TVbitch]

Since it's almost Christmas, I'm only gonna say nice things (just this once!):

I think the Danny actor is gradually improving.

At least Gio and Emma seem like they are in the same late teen age group.

And finally, speaking as someone who comes from a very long lineage of unbearably crappy hair genes, I think JJ is doing the best he can. His hair looked the same on Nashville, and I'm sure they had a huge hairstyling budget. The thing is, when you have super baby fine hair, there's just nothing you can do with it. It always looks flat, limp, and even though it's not, it can look unwashed, cuz it just lays there like tiny wet noodles. When I was younger I tried to fight it with many, many jugs of Final Net. But I've surrendered now, and it's been very freeing. 😁

[JMO]

Leo and Olivia were ice skating.

The Gio/Emma scenes would have played differently if they hadn't been with a re-casted Emma.  I'd only seen news of the recast a few minutes before, so I figured out who the girl was, but I would otherwise not have known.  Had I seen Brooklyn Rae Silzer pilfering a wallet, I would have assumed there was a good reason.  Which there semi-was.  Emma wasn't conning anyone; she was righting a wrong--the wrong way.  I am glad to have Emma back in town, for Anna's sake.  

I agree that the actors seemed to enjoy the scenes of Alexis and Rick decorating together, and they made it look like the characters might have enjoyed it just a little bit, too.

It's interesting that they're choosing to soften Jason a touch.  I guess they have to, if they want to believably pair him with someone, but also because they have nowhere else to go with him. Wish they'd done it many years ago.

Poor Laura.  So close to having both of her kids home for Christmas, and *poof*!  

Overall, it was nice, a little Christmas gift, to have so many of my favorite characters on screen all on the same day. 

 

Edited December 23 by JMO
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[GHScorpiosRule]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

What was the point of Gio and the wallet theft? That nuEmma is like Holly except Holly would have kept the money herself?

Wait, whuuuut???? Since the FUCK WHEN does Emma pull this kind of shit?!!!

1 hour ago, JMO said:

Had I seen Brooklyn Rae Silzer pilfering a wallet, I would have assumed there was a good reason.  Which there semi-was.  Emma wasn't conning anyone; she was righting a wrong--the wrong way. 

DA FUCK???? Is Anna giving her bad habits? Robin better have a 'Come to Jesus Talk with Anna' and sit her daughter down STAT!

And though it's the eve of Christmas Eve, and apologies, but FUCK YOU, FRANK, KORTE, VAN ETTEN and your Lazy Ass HACKS!

[dubbel zout]

LOL at Joss's "Canapé?" to Sonny and Carly. That was well played by EM.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Who is this "very good man" that Ned and Jason were talking about? Not the Edward that I know.

And since when did Edward not give up on Jason? Edward thought Jason was wasting his life working for Sonny and never missed a chance to tell anyone that.

I liked that Tracy reminded Lulu she has a son as well as a daughter. When Lulu said she'd never forget that, I had to laugh. Has she mentioned Rocco's name since she found out Charlotte wasn't in town?

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

They really are working very hard to make Jordan/Isaiah happen.

Very hard, and it's a failure. Tanisha Harper can't flirt for anything.

Is nuEmma slightly SORASed? 

 

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

4 hours ago, statsgirl said:

What was the point of Gio and the wallet theft? That nuEmma is like Holly except Holly would have kept the money herself?

Wait, whuuuut???? Since the FUCK WHEN does Emma pull this kind of shit?!!!

Did you watch?  Because she wasn't pulling a Holly, she was righting a wrong because the guy cheated a woman selling ornaments.  She took the money to pay the woman and gave the wallet back to a cop saying she found it.  

Really enjoyed Alexis/Ric today.  RH really is a silver fox and never shies away from leaning into being a jerk and he and NLG played that bickering exes thing to perfection.

JFC, Lulu, lovely to abandon Rocco on the first Christmas he's had with you in years.  You kinda suck.  I was surprised at the Charlotte cameo (or return, whatever), but I LOL'd at "I'll come get you" like she was at the movies on the other side of town.

Carly: "You're not the boss of me."

Me: "So you really are still stuck in middle school.  Everything makes sense now."

Lois's ZOINKS face at Ned talking about a first grandchild.  Girl, how have you kept this secret for 20 years?

[GHScorpiosRule]

Oh Jeebus Cripes!

I already don’t like this new Emma, with her sourpuss of a face. Even during her last stint, she’s always been a …happy person. And when serious, didn’t have that…look.

Bleh. Cameron and Lucky’s “Noel” was much better.

Poor Laura.

Brookie was TOTALLY jealous, thus proving she’s still 10.

3 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Did you watch?  Because she wasn't pulling a Holly, she was righting a wrong because the guy cheated a woman selling ornaments.  She took the money to pay the woman and gave the wallet back to a cop saying she found it.  

Yes I did, and I still didn’t like it or how she was “introduced” to Gio.

Did love Ric and Alexis decorating the tree!

[KittyQ]

Did I miss something that explained how Charlotte knew Lulu was awake? I thought no one was able to contact Valentine (and I assume Charlotte), and they were somewhere in Europe. Was Lulu's story on the internet, maybe? 

[GHScorpiosRule]

4 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Did I miss something that explained how Charlotte knew Lulu was awake? I thought no one was able to contact Valentine (and I assume Charlotte), and they were somewhere in Europe. Was Lulu's story on the internet, maybe? 

Rocco took a picture of Lulu while she was talking with Dante and sent it to Charlotte, who he was texting with across the plaza.

[statsgirl]

48 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Did you watch?  Because she wasn't pulling a Holly, she was righting a wrong because the guy cheated a woman selling ornaments.  She took the money to pay the woman and gave the wallet back to a cop saying she found it

I saw it but I have to be convinced to believe it, there are so many people lying on this show and I'd never met the character before (not knowing that it was Emma) so I assumed that she was lying. Giving me a quick shot of her slipping the money into the old lady's booth would have helped. As I said, Holly would have told Gio the same story and kept the money for herself. So would Cody when he first came on the show.

[driver18]

OGEmma grew into a beautiful young woman but a not so great actress, but if I recall correctly, she's not acting but was just popping in for visits. My thought was that if they ever planned to have Emma stick around, they'd have to recast with a legit actress, so I'm willing to give this one a chance.

[Mirabelle]

I'm also seeing that she's studying to be a nurse so it doesn't look like acting professionally as an adult was ever a long term ambition for her.