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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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19 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

How do Anna and Chase know that this is the gun Alexis threw off the bridge? And how would Alexis ever be able to ID it? It wasn't her gun, she would have no idea of the registration number. It could be some random gun someone has sent to the PC PD for reasons.

So true! Maybe there would be fingerprints, but assuming a random gun is "the" gun is not smart police work. It could be a red herring - just saying! 

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Bringonthedrama

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19 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

And Ethan, Lucky, and Lulu have Luke in common. I don't want Ethan back for even a second, but he's related to Lulu as much as Nik is, so there should be some mention of him regarding this.

NuLucas covered this today, with Carly. Carly, nuLucas can speak for himself. Geeez shut up! I was surprised though that he acknowledges Ava as his aunt. I can't recall that RC-Lucas ever shared a scene with MW.

Cody, Olivia IS NOT "Mama Q." Hated the Dante-Cody conversation too. 

Finally, a good Robert and Anna scene. Too bad for Robert that Anna just can't resist trying to help Carly. Telling Carly she likes her is a major insult to, even betrayal, of Robin.

So now Elizabeth feels she has to apologize to Portia for not having anything negative to say about Brad's performance? Someone PLEASE fire this co-chief.

Kristina, your father "threw his life away" before you were ever conceived. So, she'd rather her mother stay in Pentonville? Good for Alexis for quietly yelling at her. 

I was expecting to see Laura or Lucky today - so disappointing!

Dante is disappointing too. Only on this Show would two sons who have both been nearly fatally shot by or because of their father, have a sense of love and loyalty to him. UGHHH.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

Oh no! Sonny and Carly's children don't deserve to lose both their parents!!! Anna says as she clutches her pearls.

JFC! Miss me with this whole notion about S&C's children dumb as fuck narrative. What makes them so special? Donna can go live at the Quartermaines like every other child. 2 of Carly's children already live there. It's not like they'd notice a third one or one more child.

Dante is dead to me if he does what the show implies he's about to do.

Portia is actually pretty stupid. Get her, Brad!

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I did enjoy Alexis truth-tellling Kristina "Your dad did it because that's what he does."

They really need to change the term `Karen`to `Carly` because she`s just the worst. Lucas is not her child, he`s not even a child at all, so if Ava wants to talk to him, it`s their decision.

Lucas says he couldn't get close to Julian because he always found out about more bad things Julian did. Do you think, Lucas, that maybe being raised by  mob parent maybe isn't a good thing?

Portia is right there behind her. Why is she trying to get Brad fired? Having Brad in the lab benefits her because it gives her someone to pin the crime on if she gets caught. Portia can't get caught soon enough.

Anna, getting involved with dangerous men is Carly's catnip. She's salivating for Brennan.

When did Cody get smart enough to figure out what Dante is not telling him? Too bad he's yet another person excusing Sonny.

27 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

If their kids don't deserve to lose both of their parents, maybe they shouldn't be criminals!!! I hate that line of thinking. 

Technically only Donna would lose both her parents so one child. I guess you could include Michael since Sonny raised him after he stole him from AJ but Michael is nowhere near being a child any more. He's the brilliant CEO of everything!

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Oh no! Sonny and Carly's children don't deserve to lose both their parents!!! Anna says as she clutches her pearls.

Anna, who left her own daughter thinking that both her parents are dead.

11 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Too bad for Robert that Anna just can't resist trying to help Carly. Telling Carly she likes her is a major insult to, even betrayal, of Robin.

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20 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

JFC! Miss me with this whole notion about S&C's children dumb as fuck narrative. What makes them so special? Donna can go live at the Quartermaines like every other child. 2 of Carly's children already live there. It's not like they'd notice a third one or one more child.

Dante is dead to me if he does what the show implies he's about to do.

Portia is actually pretty stupid. Get her, Brad!

Seriously. The only minor child S&C have is Donna, who has 4 adult siblings who can take care of her.  Two of them are parents!!

Totally agree about Dante and Portia.

 

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Anna, who left her own daughter thinking that both her parents are dead.

To be Fair to the Awesome Anna of years past, she was suffering from amnesia when she showed up on All My Children. It was Robert* who let Robin think he was dead for over a decade (he thought Anna was dead too, I think).

*But it was the WSB (that had turned corrupt by this time) blackmailing Robert they would hurt Robin if he didn't stay dead. That was some hideous piece of writing under Guzasshole, and I'm forever grateful to Sri Rao for undoing all that nonsense in season two of Night Shift.

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I had to stop and think how Brad and Cody knew each other. At least Cody doesn't automatically hate him.

Of course Michael "escorts" Kristina to therapy. Why is this turd held up as some epitome of goodness? Ugh. He's a controlling creep. At least Kristina told him to beat it.

Dante's text notification sound is extremely loud, lol.

Because it can't be said enough, Portia sucks. Hugging someone is hardly the worst thing Brad can do, even if it is Brad. Good grief. Please let him torture her with the results before he hands them over to Ric.

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GHScorpiosRule

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7 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Did we see two shots into Jagger from Sonny's gun?  Or Sonny firing once, then shooting Jagger. 

We saw Mooby shoot Jagger the first time and Jagger fell down. And then Mooby shot him again.

But this is the FAKAKTA GH, so if they want to change it so Kristina shot him first and he shot the second time to cover it up, of course they will. Even though what we saw contradicts it.

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KittyQ

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How does Portia not go up in flames from her hypocrisy? Telling Brad he was being unprofessional - this is the person who had many hissy fits in the hospital over Heather possibly getting released. 

Why is Dante sharing confidential information with Cody? Why is he even having any qualms about keeping the ballistic information from Sonny, who at this point really isn't entitled to know it anyway? AND Sonny did it! He's gotten away with murder and other crimes so many times that it is about time he "pays" for something he did. (Not that this is likely to happen).

And Dex - "loose lips sink ships" - always a good thing to keep in mind.

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KittyQ

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Another annoying thing today - Cody's advice that Dante should think about whether his job or his family is more important to him. Ok, if his job was in a store or an office, but he's a police officer! The question really is whether he values the law, not his job. It is this kind of thinking that makes people think that their personal feelings weigh more in matters of law than facts and evidence. 

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Mirabelle

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4 hours ago, ciarra said:

Back to the guns.

Kristina shot Jagger. (speculation) (Gun 1)

Sonny is shown shooting Jagger. (Gun 2)

So Kristina made the kill shot, Sonny added to it to confuse the medical examiner.  (Not sure why he lets her run off, seeing as though he was standing there, shout-whispering at Jagger only seconds before the gunshot).

Why is there no mention of bullets from two different guns in the report?

Alexis throws Gun 1 off bridge, Jason acid baths Gun 2.

 

Gun 3, Stephen Lars shoots Jagger from the bushes, just because. lol.

 

 

Gun 4, The same three raccoons in a trench coat that murdered Austin also  murdered Jagger. 

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ciarra

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3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

We saw Mooby shoot Jagger the first time and Jagger fell down. And then Mooby shot him again.

You're correct.

I thought it was Sonny shoots, Jagger reacts (separate screen), but clearly Sonny shoots Jagger the first time, and then follows up with a second shot.   

I don't know how they are going to retcon this. 

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GHScorpiosRule

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Cody can just STFU about Jagger. That he was going after Mooby through Jason, Cujo, and Kristina doesn’t matter. He was still a cop that Mooby MURDERED. Wish Mac could have heard him.

Portia really does SUCK. Like she hasn’t hugged anyone while on duty at the hospital-Stella, Trina, Curtis. Or anyone else who works at the hospital hasn’t done the same. 

The only bright spot today was Robert, and Brad discovering what Portia had done. And she’s also a dumbbutt. Does she not KNOW who Brad’s auntie is?

I read some spoilers that were very vague, but they’re speculating that

Cyrus might be Lulu’s donor.

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Oh Dante. Please don’t become deadtome!

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Cheyanne11

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Only on this show could a person who actually murdered someone in cold blood be viewed as the victim.  Poor, poor Sonny just had no choice but to kill Cates and now he must confess to save 'the mother of my child' from doing time for...THE MURDER HE COMMITTED.  Burn in hell, writers.

My guess for Monday is before Dante can say anything Martin is going to come storming in yelling about the evidence that will exonerate Alexis and Sonny will just keep his mouth shut, they'll all shrug their shoulders and declare the case unsolvable and Sonny and Carly will skip along on their merry way. 

All these people getting tested to 'save Lulu' and me being like 'ya know, that's a big ask of someone for a person whose been in a vegetive-like state for years.'  I mean, we're not talking about blood or marrow here. 

Portia SUCKS.  

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statsgirl

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2 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

All these people getting tested to 'save Lulu' and me being like 'ya know, that's a big ask of someone for a person whose been in a vegetive-like state for years.'  I mean, we're not talking about blood or marrow here.

Not just in a vegative-like state for years but with no indication that she will ever recover.  Sure viewers know that Lulu will wake up but the characters don't.

I didn't care that Anna kissed Jason -- what Robin and Jason had was a long time ago and everyone has moved on. But being friends with Carly and trying to keep her out of the trouble she got herself into is too far, considering how Carly treated Robin.

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ciarra

ciarra

45 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Sonny basically admits he murdered Jagger and Kristina still hasn't figure it out. She truly is to stupid to live. 

I'm too stupid to live, too.  Because I still don't know what Kristina was doing at the Q's.  She overheard Anna? saying that Jagger would be at the Q's.  She swipes Alexis' car, goes to Sonny's, takes the gun, parks in the driveway at the Q's and what?  Sits in the driveway and listens to the radio?  Watches cat videos on her phone?  Because she's not seen before, during or after the shooting.  Only Sonny and Jagger are there, and Michael shows up later. 

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sashabear21

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I’m glad we got a throwaway line about Ethan not being a match without having him mumble his way onto our screens to monologue about it.
 

It’s really infuriating the way people fall all over themselves to protect Sonny for a murder that he did in fact commit. Remember when Kristina hated Sonny because of his business and who he was? That was a fun time. The only reason anyone should be rushing to protect him is if he’d shot Portia in cold blood instead because she is insufferable! 
 

Are they trying to set Cody up on man dates to get him a friend? He suddenly seemed to be everyone’s favorite sob sister. 

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Desperado

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10 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

Sonny basically admits he murdered Jagger and Kristina still hasn't figure it out. She truly is to stupid to live. 

I thought they had a conversation last week (?), where she clearly understood this.

Does shooting scenes all in a block confuse everyone? PM left months ago, we can’t blame the writing changes anymore.

 

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

My guess for Monday is before Dante can say anything Martin is going to come storming in yelling about the evidence that will exonerate Alexis and Sonny will just keep his mouth shut, they'll all shrug their shoulders and declare the case unsolvable and Sonny and Carly will skip along on their merry way. 

I think that’s the way it will go too but the simple fact of him thinking about sharing privilege info w/ Sonny the murderer, should confirm he needs to finally quit being a cop. Dante Falconeri, Mob Boss, would work for me more than this “the law is for thee, not for me and my dad”.

I still don’t see Van Hansis’ Lucas as a trauma surgeon but his scenes w/ MW were great and reminded me of their ATWT days. 😭😭

One of my TV show pet peeves his couples kissing at their work place but hugging, Portia? Hugging?

#TeamBrad and please get Ms. Wu back to annihilate Portia once and for all. Like Sonny, she has no morals when protecting her family.

The writers have the moral compass of a swamp.

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StaceyNotStacie

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23 minutes ago, Desperado said:

One of my TV show pet peeves his couples kissing at their work place but hugging, Portia? Hugging?

#TeamBrad and please get Ms. Wu back to annihilate Portia once and for all. Like Sonny, she has no morals when protecting her family.

The writers have the moral compass of a swamp.

We definitely need a scene with Mrs Wu coming in to get tested for Lulu and her seeing Portia reprimand Brad, stepping in to remind Portia who she is. 

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Desperado

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1 hour ago, PatsyandEddie said:

Unlike Mooby, Mrs Wu is actually scary! 

I miswrote and meant Portia has no morals in protecting family but it could fit Ms. Wu too, I just don’t want to give Sonny a compliment in comparing him positively to her. 🤣

Also, going beyond the law, I personally don’t find people who ruin other people’s lives to protect their own, attractive in any way and the fact that so many characters are like this, is what wrong w/ the show IMO.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

4 hours ago, ljr said:

Why is it okay for Alexis to be in jail but not Sonny? 

Alexis doesn't have claustrophobia.

3 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

I’m glad we got a throwaway line about Ethan not being a match without having him mumble his way onto our screens to monologue about it.

SAME.

51 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I missed the quick conversation the GH official had with Elizabeth -- so is Ric pursuing it after all, or did their system just flag that this had come up because of the outside lab tests?

The GH official just said the hospital had gotten a subpeona (I think?) for the lab records because of the discrepancies with the other results. So I guess Ric has decided to pursue it. He had too many results that contradicted the GH test, so maybe that's what decided things for him.

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Sake614

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18 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Really hope Dante isn't about to be dead to me.

Oh he absolutely is. There isn’t an ounce of doubt in my mind that he’s going to tell Sonny about the gun.

15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

All these people getting tested to 'save Lulu' and me being like 'ya know, that's a big ask of someone for a person whose been in a vegetive-like state for years.' 

They likely left that part out of their plea for donors 😝

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Ambrosefolly

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On 10/6/2024 at 7:04 AM, graight said:

I suppose I watch this show kind of superficially.  I don't think too much about past acts.  My reactions to characters are based on what they are doing now (or in the last year) and whether the character is believable and well-acted.  For instance, I don't dislike Sonny because of his past behavior but more because his gummy bear mobster is so unreal (and not well-acted).  That's why he was better in Nixon Falls, imo.

So it isn't so much they actually did anything redeemable, but people find them entertaining. I guess if they do something really shitty to a relative innocent (or someone they professed to care about) hopefully they don't do anything else shitty within the year, like Ava's back to back shooting Kate in cold blood and getting Sonny to kill AJ when he was searching for the truth.

I get that people just enjoy watching evil characters when they are played by entertaining actors.  Believe it or not, I do too, but to me, they aren't redeemed unless they fully make up for the things they did and being nice to a teen girl ≠ murdering 2 innocent people and swapping the meds from a troubled young man. 

To me, there is difference be from being entertained by dark characters and ignoring the bad stuff they do (and it fine if people value that more than morality in entertainment) and a character being redeemed. 

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JFC! Miss me with this whole notion about S&C's children dumb as fuck narrative. What makes them so special? Donna can go live at the Quartermaines like every other child. 2 of Carly's children already live there. It's not like they'd notice a third one or one more child.

@YaddaYaddaGive Donna to Lucas. She'd probably be safer. 

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44 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

I get that people just enjoy watching evil characters when they are played by entertaining actors.

I don't think anyone on GH is entertainingly bad, alas. I loved Peter/Henrik when LWB/Wes Ramsey went all in on the mustache twirling, but the character was still a bore. I loved Julian in DGAF mode and he went around causing havoc, but that didn't last long, of course, because it upstaged Sonny/MB.

IMO, the last truly entertaining bad guy was Mitch Laurence on OLTL, played by the great Roscoe Born. When a character pops out of a casket at the funeral for the guy who's supposed to be in that casket, that is entertaining. The camp was fantastically off the charts, and Born played it to the hilt. He was never afraid to make Mitch grotesque. That's where the villains on GH suffer: The show loses its nerve and they scuttle off screen with barely a whimper. Or they return "redeemed" in the stupidest way possible and become even bigger bores than they were before.

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Ambrosefolly

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Or they justify or hand wave the truly evil  things they do & they get storyline after storyline. See: Ava Jerome, Sonny Cornithos, now they trying to portray Carly as the matriarch even though she is currently covering up another murder.

The current leads don’t suffer any repercussions for the shit they do. Mitch Lawerence was portrayed straight up,so I can at least appreciate the honesty. Even when he escapes justice, it is seen as wrong, not like with Ava when she murdered Kate and got AJ killed. 

Steph J

Steph J

23 hours ago, ciarra said:

You're correct.

I thought it was Sonny shoots, Jagger reacts (separate screen), but clearly Sonny shoots Jagger the first time, and then follows up with a second shot.   

I don't know how they are going to retcon this. 

They'll find a bullet lodged in the boathouse, learn that Jagger actually did have back up and that that agent (or whoever) shot at Sonny and missed, and that Sonny pulled the trigger in reaction to hearing the shot fired at him. The other agent didn't come forward because this was an off the books operation that could get him or her fired. Sonny is cleared, gets a parade.

I thought I couldn't dislike Carly more than I already do, but then she got all "What about meeeeeeee" at the idea of Sonny turning himself in to save Alexis.

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JMO

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Catching up on the past few days. 

Re: the conversation between Jason and Lucky---It's not called "stepping back", and it's not called "stepping away".  It's called "running away". 

Don't know where they're going with the evidence about Jagger's murder, but the show somehow coming up with a way to exonerate Sonny would be as weak as the "heroes" who run away.  Sonny accidentally not committing a crime he fully intended to commit doesn't make him a good guy.

I love Robert.  While Anna is all in her feels about having to arrest people she knows and maybe even likes, Robert just appropriately evaluates the situation and the evidence, and looks for the soonest opportunity to do his job.  Please take note, Anna.  

I suspect the whole 'Lulu's liver' story would have more dramatic impact if we weren't already aware that there has been an actress hired to play her.  The only real suspense is about whose liver she'll get.  Such is the cost of the internet.  

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graight

graight

13 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

To me, there is difference be from being entertained by dark characters and ignoring the bad stuff they do (and it fine if people value that more than morality in entertainment) and a character being redeemed. 

I get what you're saying but if I want morality in my TV characters I'm definitely not going to look for or expect to find it on a soap. Besides, I blame the writers for the characters' wrongdoings. I mean, they told them to do it. 😉

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Ambrosefolly

Ambrosefolly

6 hours ago, graight said:

I get what you're saying but if I want morality in my TV characters I'm definitely not going to look for or expect to find it on a soap. Besides, I blame the writers for the characters' wrongdoings. I mean, they told them to do it. 😉

As I said in the post, it is fine if you aren’t looking for morality. My point there isn’t anything in Ava’s history that makes her redeemed for what she did to Kate, AJ, and Morgan. She is still an evil character like Sonny and Carly, but unlike someone like Helena Cassadine, the show isn’t willingly to be honest about how immoral they are.

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dubbel zout

18 hours ago, JMO said:

Re: the conversation between Jason and Lucky---It's not called "stepping back", and it's not called "stepping away".  It's called "running away". 

I despise the double standard this show has for mothers and fathers. Dads get the benefit of the doubt, but it's "running away" or "abandoning your family" when moms do it. UGH.

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Daisy

Daisy

21 hours ago, Steph J said:

I thought I couldn't dislike Carly more than I already do, but then she got all "What about meeeeeeee" at the idea of Sonny turning himself in to save Alexis.

to be fair - Sonny turning himself in, means that Carly lied and she could get arrested as an accessory after the fact so it's very much what about her too.

However. 
shouldn't have lied to cover a murder, you dipstick. 

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

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On 10/12/2024 at 11:07 AM, Auntie Velvet said:

Ric told Ava that he wasn't going to press the issue about who at GH had switched the test, as a favor to her.

I missed the quick conversation the GH official had with Elizabeth -- so is Ric pursuing it after all, or did their system just flag that this had come up because of the outside lab tests?

Of course, Ric won't be at allll suspicious now that he got summoned to Curtis' office because Curtis (after Portia ran crying to him with her worries) wanted to know as much as Ric was willing to share about Heather's case, lab test results, and possible outcomes. 

So the Show takes the easy way about by Martin being stubborn and forcing Anna to talk about the new evidence and details in front of Sonny. When pressed by Anna, Dante says he "thought about it" because he's worried about poor Rocco losing his mom and his grandpa too (going to jail.) Ummm, I don't recall Rocco and Sonny being in a single scene together since Rocco was recast as a teenager. Rocco has not once mentioned his grandfather in any scenes.

The one thing I liked that Molly said, was to Michael that this never should have gotten this far with Alexis. The smug smiles from Sonny, Diane and tears of joy from Kristina were vomit-inducing. 

The best part of today for me was Elizabeth (rightly) getting pissed off at Ric and then truth-telling about Lucky to Terri. She knows Lucky better than anyone except I guess Laura. And BHerbst does a great job of showing how Elizabeth is trying not to have any feelings regarding Lucky other than happy mom because Aiden was happy to spend time with his dad.

I don't even like the Brad character, yet I thought good for him that he's blackmailing Portia. Couldn't happen to a more deserving individual.

So Sam wasn't the one who retrieved the gun from the water?  She was such a non-entity in this episode too.  I was expecting a tiny self-satisfied smile at least. 

I wasn't going to watch tomorrow but I will since previews show Elizabeth and Laura have a scene together.

 

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LOL that the PC courthouse has carpeted floors.

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

good for [Brad] that he's blackmailing Portia. Couldn't happen to a more deserving individual.

Seriously. I'm also a bit afraid it's going to come back and bite Brad in the ass, and I'd really like for him not to be the GH punching bag.

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

When pressed by Anna, Dante says he "thought about it" because he's worried about poor Rocco losing his mom and his grandpa too (going to jail.) Ummm, I don't recall Rocco and Sonny being in a single scene together since Rocco was recast as a teenager. Rocco has not once mentioned his grandfather in any scenes.

I don't care if Sonny and Rocco have or haven't seen each other, or Sonny has "another side." He's a cop killer. Why that doesn't matter more to Dante is gross. TFGH, of course, but still gross. 

Dante, trading your life for Lulu's is going to be as upsetting to Lulu as losing Lulu.

I want Heather's story over, so I hope she gets out of Pentonville to stick it to Portia and Curtis.

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