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37 minutes ago, Daisy said:

didn't they do a hysterectomy because of the fall? i swear there was something that they weren't sure of Kristina could have kids again [or maybe i am just being very hopeful #nomorebabies)

It was touch and go for Kristina after the 2nd or 3rd surgery and hysterectomy was a possibility. She eventually pulled through without it. So technically she can have another baby - unless there are plot driven reasons down the road.

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On 11/13/2024 at 9:00 PM, Sake614 said:

I'm not a fan of Jason fighting Michael’s battles, but there’s no one more deserving of a beat down than Drew. Maybe all of PC can line up to take punches a la Airplane! 🤣

Michael is just getting his karma for having sex with Willow while she was married to his "friend" Chase.  Jason going after Drew for Michael just proves again what a man-child Michael is.  Much as I don't like the character, it should be Liesl Obrecht going after Drew for having sexual relationships with her niece and grand niece. And she can remind both Drew and Willow that she, not Drew, saved Willow's life.  Drew deserves the anger that Dr. O aimed at Elizabeth for Britt's death. Tracy and Dr. O taking down Drew would be a helluva lot more interesting than watching Tracy and Cody. Tracy or Dr. O plotting would be much more entertaining than anyone in PC punching Drew.

Why/when did Dr. O leave Port Charles? I only remember her being angry at Scott for having the audacity to disagree with her about Britt's death. 

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31 minutes ago, ciarra said:

As for who would get custody of Wiley, possibly Willow, seeing as though she's his bio aunt.

 

Regardless of all the silly cheating by both of them, they are good parents and should share custody. Michael will most likely move out the gatehouse so the kids don't get taken from their home and Michael would go back to the mansion.

I know that Alexis is going through a lot with her grief for Sam but what is Ric's excuse for not reaching out to Molly on her birthday.

I still think Isaiah and Kai will turn out to be brothers. And if their father turns out to be RJ Gannon, even fracking better.

 

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1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Why/when did Dr. O leave Port Charles? I only remember her being angry at Scott for having the audacity to disagree with her about Britt's death. 

She decided to go traveling at the time Korte needed Scott to be in Lucy's orbit to make Martin jealous before ushering his southern gentleman persona off.

Everything is for plot.

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46 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I still think Isaiah and Kai will turn out to be brothers. And if their father turns out to be RJ Gannon, even fracking better.

Personally I would love that but I'm also sensitive to those who are tired of the OLTL fan service. None of it ever sticks anyway, so maybe it's better to leave it in the past. 

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They're just chem testing Molly with everyone, aren't they?  

For just a second or two, when Michael was talking to Jason about Willow, and saying how they keep lying to each other, I was thinking that maybe we were going to get a surprise, and he was just going to realize that maybe their marriage isn't a good one, they've both lied to each other over time, and they need to split up. Instead, I don't even know what the fuck he ended up doing. He went back home to try to manipulate Willow into telling him the truth about fucking Drew while he had zero intention of reciprocating with the truth about his night with Sasha? Meanwhile, he was aware that he'd probably wound up the hitman and sent him in Drew's direction?  And I cracked up when Jason suggested that, like Michael/Sasha, maybe Drew/Willow only happened the one time, and Michael's reply was that "no, Willow isn't the type to do a one night stand." So, she's the type to repeatedly fuck her husband's uncle behind his back, but only fucking him once would be beneath her?  What a weird semi-pedestal to have her on. 

I called it a couple months or so ago that Gio is going to end up being a BLQ/Dante baby that was given up for adoption. Lois looking all concerned when Gio walked in the room right as the issue of whether she could keep a secret came up made me think I was probably right on that one. 

I'm assuming that weird Jason/Kristina thing at the end was her seeing his hands all bruised up and assuming he was out carrying out a beatdown or hit for her father, or something. I'm not sure entirely what the purpose is of that, but that's what I'm guessing was going on there. 

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4 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

I'm assuming that weird Jason/Kristina thing at the end was her seeing his hands all bruised up and assuming he was out carrying out a beatdown or hit for her father, or something. I'm not sure entirely what the purpose is of that, but that's what I'm guessing was going on there. 

Well being that she got over Sonny beating up Dex which she witnessed, it is probably a reminder that Jason is a hitman when Ava is declared not guilty and she is looking for revenge for Irene's death.

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7 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

That fight between Jason and Drew was pathetic. How manly of Jason to get in a sucker punch. It reminded me of the kind of fights you’d see on a show with two teenage girls who would mostly hold on to each other in the midst of exchanging slaps. You mean to tell me neither a hit man or Navy Seal would take the golden opportunity they had to utilize a head butt? It would also have helped if they had actually made Drew look worse than they did. He should have looked like Rocky in Rocky 4 given how people were reacting to his minor injury. 

I don't think that Jason was trying to hurt Drew.  He seemed to be in control the entire time.

 

7 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I would have respected Michael a lot more if he looked like he enjoyed Drew getting hurt instead of this constipated “well, I didn’t know this was going to happen” look.

I don't think that Michael wants to see Drew be physically assaulted, no matter what he did with Willow.  Especially since he thinks he's dragged Jason into it as well.

7 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

And I cracked up when Jason suggested that, like Michael/Sasha, maybe Drew/Willow only happened the one time, and Michael's reply was that "no, Willow isn't the type to do a one night stand." So, she's the type to repeatedly fuck her husband's uncle behind his back, but only fucking him once would be beneath her?  What a weird semi-pedestal to have her on. 

I think the implication was that Willow would stray from her marriage because she's in love with Drew. She wouldn't have just a ONS with Drew because she sleeps only with men she's in love with. 

Not great either, but Michael should know since he started his affair with Willow while she was married to Chase. They even had sex in the nursery.

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13 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think the implication was that Willow would stray from her marriage because she's in love with Drew. She wouldn't have just a ONS with Drew because she sleeps only with men she's in love with. 

Not great either, but Michael should know since he started his affair with Willow while she was married to Chase. They even had sex in the nursery.

Yes but the way Kerley said it was funnier.  lol

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15 hours ago, Daisy said:

ooh what happened there?
 

it's okay I'll still like you LOL (Little Women is my favourite book and one of my favourite movies (the Winnona Ryder version anyway i reject all others). 

The 2019 Sairose Ronan/Greta Gerwig version is EXCELLENT tho! 

Jason's a thug. Michael's an idiot. Drew is a creep. Who are we supposed to root for on this show? Even beautiful, sweet Lucky is a whiny deadbeat. 

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The Molly/Isaiah scenes, I expected TJ to walk into Bobbie's just as Isaiah was singing Happy Birthday to her and get pissy and walk out.

The Molly/Kristina scenes, I was expecting TJ to walk into Bobbie's just as the sisters were hugging, get pissy and walk out. 

It seems that this is how little I think of TJ.

Speaking of losers, Alan sure fathered some dunderheads. Jason, Drew and AJ (although I blame his parenting for AJ), grandson Michael. But I'll say that Michael is his mother's son through and through. Always handed everything, always someone to rescue him and tell him how he did it by himself. 

Michael deserves what's he's getting with Willow, but I really wish she had chosen someone better to have a crush on (or love) because CM's Drew is such a scumbag. 

Go see a therapist for your issues, Willow. Stop going from one cult to the next. I finds that Drew has somehow managed to channel Shiloh even with the black hole of charisma that he is.

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8 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

I don't think that Jason was trying to hurt Drew.  He seemed to be in control the entire time.

You can be in control and still hurt someone. If Jason really didn't want to cause pain, he wouldn't have kept punching Drew.

37 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Michael deserves what's he's getting with Willow, but I really wish she had chosen someone better to have a crush on (or love) because CM's Drew is such a scumbag. 

Who else is there? Pickings are extremely slim.

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I am not sure Isiah will turn out to be related to anyone on the show, but I too clocked the last name of Gannon. They have a really hard time resisting those connections that don't matter to most GH viewers.

Like others mentioned, it was gross of Kristina to wish the pain of Avery being wrenched from Ava's arms, because that also means it would be anguish to Avery, Kristina's own sister. Reel it in, Krissy!

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10 hours ago, tessaray said:

Personally I would love that but I'm also sensitive to those who are tired of the OLTL fan service. None of it ever sticks anyway, so maybe it's better to leave it in the past. 

honestly as they are all Sister Shows it makes sense if they came up from time to time (regardless if you watched one or the other). it shouldn't matter and it kind of makes the world of PC richer.  But on the other hand. considering how this show loves to butcher up their own history, I'd prefer if they'd leave AMC/OLTL alone period. 

 

3 hours ago, luna1122again said:

The 2019 Sairose Ronan/Greta Gerwig version is EXCELLENT tho! 

 

hmmmm..... okay i'll give it a chance. :)

In regards to Michael, I wonder if part of the reason why he is freaking out is because he's remembering the excuses they told themselves when they were cheating with each other over Chase. "we love each other it's okay."  I also have to tell Mr. "We always lie to each other we should be honest." that until you tell your wife that you screwed her best friend before you knew about them screwing each other in the nursery, you're equally wrong here. Cheating si cheating my dude. 

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37 minutes ago, Daisy said:

In regards to Michael, I wonder if part of the reason why he is freaking out is because he's remembering the excuses they told themselves when they were cheating with each other over Chase.

I doubt Michael (or the writers) remember that. Besides, Michael is his parents' son: He demands loyalty but reciprocation is optional.

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14 hours ago, nilyank said:

still think Isaiah and Kai will turn out to be brothers. And if their father turns out to be RJ Gannon, even fracking better.

LOVED RJ.  I loved all the Gannons, but especially RJ.

I kind of forgot that Jason and Drew are brothers.  The fight was kind of funny.  Jason got some heavy hits in (calm down sound effects!), only said three words, and walked out.  I don’t condone violence, but if anyone deserves a beat down its Drew.

Little Women is one of my favorite books too so Molly gets a tiny bit of good will from me.  Also pretty sad that no one remembered her birthday.  The cupcake and Isiah singing to her was so cute.

13 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

called it a couple months or so ago that Gio is going to end up being a BLQ/Dante baby that was given up for adoption. Lois looking all concerned when Gio walked in the room right as the issue of whether she could keep a secret came up made me think I was probably right on that one. 

That would be so extremely strange since nothing in the interactions between Dante and Brooklyn suggest they ever had a relationship, not even a short/one time fling.  Correct me if I’m wrong, I stopped watching for a while.  

I also wasn’t watching when Gio came on the scene in the first place. What reason did they give for him being in port Charles?  

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6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think the implication was that Willow would stray from her marriage because she's in love with Drew. She wouldn't have just a ONS with Drew because she sleeps only with men she's in love with. 

Or cult leaders. Willow's got ISSUES.

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

honestly as they are all Sister Shows it makes sense if they came up from time to time (regardless if you watched one or the other). it shouldn't matter and it kind of makes the world of PC richer.  But on the other hand. considering how this show loves to butcher up their own history, I'd prefer if they'd leave AMC/OLTL alone period. 

My thoughts exactly. Whenever they've mentioned or brought on anyone from the other two shows it only ends up ruining them, and at this point I would rather keep my memories of all I enjoyed from AMC & OLTL over the decades I watched them.

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I liked Molly more with Isaiah than I have in months. It's one day, but they seem to work. 

I know Tabyana Ali has her fans, but I just don't enjoy her scenes, post NAC exit. The apparent struggles of the writers to come up with interesting things for Trina to do are part of it, but when the actress tries hard, it always looks like trying hard. She's playing Trina's anger at her eventual love interest so hotly that she would have no room for more outrage and indignation if Trina knew he were guilty of doing something far worse to some woman on campus. I was unspoiled for this part of the show, and I really thought that's where it was going when it started. (The decision to make the character a popular athlete may also have been a factor there.) 

TV/movie trope ready to go on the shelf: Tough guy wincing and recoiling as woman applies medicine to his cuts/scrapes/bruises. Maybe it was cute and humanizing in the 1930s.

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1 hour ago, mostlylurking said:

That would be so extremely strange since nothing in the interactions between Dante and Brooklyn suggest they ever had a relationship, not even a short/one time fling.  Correct me if I’m wrong, I stopped watching for a while.  

I also wasn’t watching when Gio came on the scene in the first place. What reason did they give for him being in port Charles?  

A couple months ago, BLQ and Dante had some odd scenes at the Q mansion where they seemed like they had some kind of secret between them from back when they both lived in Brooklyn.  I can't even remember the specifics, but I walked away from those scenes thinking Gio was their kid. But then nothing beyond that happened for a while, so I figured I either read it wrong or the show was up to something but dropped it. But, Lois's reaction shots yesterday (or Wednesday, I watched both yesterday) made me think it's still a thing. 

Gio originally came on to play the violin at the BLQ/Chase wedding, because he's allegedly her cousin.  But then ended up sticking around, but I can't even remember what the storyline reason was for him sticking around. 

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OMG, Drew! Self-awareness not part of the vocab? Dude, STFU! Jason kicked your ass because you slept with your nephew's wife. Why are you trying to wake the SheBeast? 

Why is Lucky even back? On top of everything Elizabeth pointed out about him, he's also a complete Debbie Downer.

Ric is the only who doesn't give a flying fig that Sam died, which is totally on brand and I can absolutely appreciate that.

The height difference between RH and CM was a bit jarring.

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JJ looks ridiculous pretending to box/punch a bag and Lucky sounds like an ass for whining that he should leave because he doesn't have a "purpose." Poor Aiden.  The only positive thing is Lucky's hair doesn't look filthy in the scenes at Sonny's gym and in the hospital with his best bud. 

BHerbst did a beautiful job conveying Elizabeth's anger, hurt and disappointment in Lucky, to Terri. Deep down, she still loves him.

It's a sad day when between Jason and Carly, she sounds like the mature and level-headed one. It's so weird to see her angry at Jason. Clearly it didn't matter to Jason, or occur to him, that Scout is already traumatized and could react badly to seeing her father's face beaten. Of course standing up for poor man child Michael is more important to Jason than thinking of what's best for two actual children who just lost their mom.

Shut UP, Felicia. Does she really adore Holly that much to have the rose-colored glasses and totally romanticize the Robert and Holly mess? It's at least good to see Anna worried about Robert and not thinking of Jason.

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Okay I could hit that bag harder than Lucky. And why would he go to fooking Sonny for life advice?! And now he regrets having been a cop?! 

It is with great regret that I must confess to being Team Drew for about 90 seconds while he told Carly why he dumped her. I was Team Ric the entire time Ric was with Jason, and if they turn Ric from foxy gray back to being super evil I will be pissed. 

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5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

You can be in control and still hurt someone. If Jason really didn't want to cause pain, he wouldn't have kept punching Drew.

Who else is there? Pickings are extremely slim.

Lucky, TJ(If he and Molly wind up being kaput), Cody if they keep him and Sasha as cousins. I'm just spitballing here

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Ned said Willow and Drew were playing footsie. Hee!  God I wish that’s all they had done 🤢 

Same! Would love for him to have that reaction to Drew and Willow screwing 

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Ric is the only who doesn't give a flying fig that Sam died, which is totally on brand and I can absolutely appreciate that.

If he actually loves his daughter Molly, he should care that she just lost her sister, and esp. that she's suffering this loss so soon after the loss of a baby. UGH. Instead of seeing his daughter for her birthday and providing emotional support to her in this major loss, he's showing up immediately at the Quartermaines and is gleeful at the idea of prosecuting Jason for a fist fight, and then goes right over to Jason's room to get in his face about Drew. 

I'm really not sure which one of the guys on this Show wins the worst father award.

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I have to give JJ credit for acting, he was puffing and breathing as if he was really working out while hitting that bag lighter than I would. But if I were JJ, I'd be really pissed off at whoever was giving me this insipid, whiny dialogue and regret my decision to return.

Of course Carly went to Drew "to fix [Jason's] mess" because she can't ever not be involved in what 'her' people do.

Line of the day goes to Jason:  Ric: "I bet you want to punch me right now."  Jason: Doesn't everyone?"  Also both Ric and Drew are stupid if they think that just kissing Willow is going to make jason turn up and beat Drew like that.

They need to have more of Terri as CoS and less of Portia in the role.

More chem testing Isaiah and Jordon but I like him better with Molly.

6 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Like others mentioned, it was gross of Kristina to wish the pain of Avery being wrenched from Ava's arms, because that also means it would be anguish to Avery, Kristina's own sister. Reel it in, Krissy!

As Alexis said, she is her father's daughter.

4 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

I also wasn’t watching when Gio came on the scene in the first place. What reason did they give for him being in port Charles?  

He is studying music at PCU, for which he left Julliard (if I remember correctly),. Because apparently the PCU music program is better than Julliard's. <eyeroll>

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1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I'm really not sure which one of the guys on this Show wins the worst father award.

Drew. Of the three fathers of Sam's kids, he is the only one who has not yet brought up the subject of where his child will live and how it will affect her relationship to Danny and Rocco. Dante talked to Alexis. Jason talked to Danny.

(I know Sam only had Danny and Scout, but everyone - except Drew - has acknowledged that Sam, Dante, and the 3 kids were a family and the kids saw themselves as siblings.)

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20 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Jeez, not in the face Jason! Then they'll just plastic surgery story it and recast with Daniel Cosgrove and the show will get cancelled for sure! (Although DC actually could make Drew a decent character again).  

Daniel Cosgrove fan here.  I'd love to see him on GH, if only for the pretty.  He's actually good at playing both good and bad guys, and would make a great addition.

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15 minutes ago, JMO said:

Daniel Cosgrove fan here.  I'd love to see him on GH, if only for the pretty.  He's actually good at playing both good and bad guys, and would make a great addition.

Oh I love myself some Cosgrove and he’d be a great addition. For awhile there the poor guy was getting hired on every soap right before it got cancelled, but maybe his time on Days turned that around. He could play a renowned surgeon, a lawyer, a WSB chief that could tell Brennan to stop chasing tail, a karate sensei (sorry, Cobra Kai just came back and I’m getting my wires crossed). But I would never say no to him on the show! 

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

But if I were JJ, I'd be really pissed off at whoever was giving me this insipid, whiny dialogue and regret my decision to return.

I know I’m PISSED. I really thought after what happened during his last return (2009/2010), that he would have gotten a guarantee about his storyline. He doesn’t need this show, unlike the other regulars, who I assume do since they don’t or haven’t spoken up about their character massacres and ensuring the hacks who don’t know SHIT, would listen and cooperate. Yeah, yeah, I don’t know they didn’t and were shot down, but i don’t wanna hear any devil’s advocate bullshit.

As for Lucky saying he shouldn’t have been a cop-I have no issue with that because his becoming a cop was something that was out of character. But it was Larry. And as for Lucky talking to Mooby? Well I’m okay with that because Lucky’s known him since he was a kid and they have history. I do hope that was reverse psychology Mooby was using on Lucky.

HEE!HEE!!!!! LOVED how Jaysus refused to tell Cujo why he hit and beat up Drew. I will not lie-I was cackling and rubbing my hands with glee. Shades of early days when he was with Robin and didn’t always do what that heifer demanded.

I COVET Anna’s outfit. And it wasn’t just me that saw shades of jealousy during her conversation with Felicia, right?

Also: STFU, Felicia. Robert finding out about a supposed daughter after three decades doesn’t AUTOMATICALLY make him, Sasha, and Holly a family, especially since Holly never sticks around and is constantly running cons. Color me shocked when Anna said what I’ve been thinking-Sasha isn’t a child, but a full [ass] adult.

I know JJ can look better-I just saw him on Mo’s podcast.

Ohhhh, is Elizabeth falling for Lucky again?

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57 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

As for Lucky saying he shouldn’t have been a cop-I have no issue with that because his becoming a cop was something that was out of character. But it was Larry. And as for Lucky talking to Mooby? Well I’m okay with that because Lucky’s known him since he was a kid and they have history. I do hope that was reverse psychology Mooby was using on Lucky.

And it wasn’t just me that saw shades of jealousy during her conversation with Felicia, right?

Ohhhh, is Elizabeth falling for Lucky again?

When Lucky was saying that being a cop "didn't work out well" for him, I thought it was a vague reference to the downhill trajectory of his life once he got hurt on the job and got addicted to drugs. If he had never been a police officer and been in that situation, would he and Elizabeth still be happily married with a great family life?  I figured Lucky went to Sonny for advice as a sort of stand-in for Luke since Sonny and Luke were best friends. Sonny doesn't want to criticize Luke's pride and joy or outright say to Lucky, you're making a big mistake if you leave, but he also believes Lucky belongs in Port Charles with Aiden, Laura and the rest of Luke's family. When he mentioned being on "thin ice" with Laura, it seemed like he genuinely did not want Laura to be upset with him anymore, so he was NOT going to encourage Lucky to leave.

Yes, I thought Anna was jealous that Robert took off with Holly. Also that Felicia was calling Robert, Holly and Sasha a family as if that is comparable to Robert, Anna and Robin. 

It seems like Elizabeth is remembering the good qualities of Lucky she fell in love with and longs to have a family life/co-parent now that the lies and affairs are in the distant past (and Franco is deceased), while Aiden is still a teenager - she sees Aiden growing attached to those qualities as well. There was tension between them often from the time Cam was a toddler until Lucky abandoned 7ish-year-old Cam and baby Aiden, because of Lucky's addiction, and both of them lying and having affairs.  Neither Jason nor Lucky made themselves available to co-parent Jake from the time he was 8 years old (when Luke and Lucky brought him home). I think she wants to give Aiden, herself and Lucky a new family life but is mostly in denial about it because she doesn't believe that Lucky has the emotional maturity for it and won't make the effort to be what Aiden needs long-term. My personal opinion is that seeing Lulu wake up and be heartbroken over how much time she's lost with Rocco, and Rocco's joy over having his mom back, will be the mental smack Lucky needs regarding his own son (and Elizabeth).

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6 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

A couple months ago, BLQ and Dante had some odd scenes at the Q mansion where they seemed like they had some kind of secret between them from back when they both lived in Brooklyn.  I can't even remember the specifics, but I walked away from those scenes thinking Gio was their kid. But then nothing beyond that happened for a while, so I figured I either read it wrong or the show was up to something but dropped it. But, Lois's reaction shots yesterday (or Wednesday, I watched both yesterday) made me think it's still a thing. 

 

Ah gotcha.  So it’s not exactly out of nowhere.  But still, if a kid the same age as the kid you gave up for adoption suddenly appeared out of nowhere, wouldn’t it raise some flags?  Unless she was told the baby died or something.

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2 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Oh I love myself some Cosgrove and he’d be a great addition. For awhile there the poor guy was getting hired on every soap right before it got cancelled

Ha ha. He was the Ted McGinley of daytime! (Although I know Cosgrove very early in his career got the ball rolling by being in the past-prime seasons of original 90210, as essentially the Jason Priestley replacement character. I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Brandon.) 

I like him too.

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I'm so over Lucky's equivocating that I wouldn't mind if he just left---and considering the quality of the writing, I wonder if JJ wouldn't mind that, either. 

Don't know what to make of those scenes between Anna and Felicia.  Dare I hope there might be an SOS from Holly and Robert, leading to a Scorpio caper?  Probably not, because the show no longer gives us nice things.

I don't see chemistry between Jordan and Isaiah.  For me, she only lights up with Drew.  And I realized that one of the things that puts me off about the character is that I'm jarred by seeing a police chief/ deputy mayor always carrying an oversized designer purse on her shoulder.  Don't know why that jars me, but it does.

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