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3 hours ago, dkb said:

 What's the timeline here, is Ethan older than Sasha?

Did Holly raise her son and abandon her daughter? I don't remember the Ethan is Luke's reveal that much. Was she an involved mom with him?

Yes, Holly said Ethan was her first child. When Nathan Parsons was in the role, Ethan said his adoptive parents died and then he found out Holly was his bio mother.  

Holly and Sasha both said that Holly abandoned Sasha to be raised by her grandmother (but Sasha always knew Holly was her mother). Holly eventually taught Sasha to be a con and involved her in cons. Sasha has had one line indicating she has been around Ethan from time to time in her young adult life.

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1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

but Willow didn't. She never intended to be with him for the rest of her life.

yeah to be fair - because she thought he was going to bite it. i don't know - I mean i respect your opinion and everything) but it was always the fact that he gave her so many outs not to do it and she was like Oh no okay. like she didn't have to do it at all but she did and then was like  "Well you know this sucks because you're alive now, i thought i was gonna just be a quick widow." then decides to screw his best friend because "well i didn't want to be married to him anyway so it's okay." it's just fundamental to me. I think it would have been different had he not given her 9999 million outs before hand. regardless of what she thought - she said I do, put a ring on it, then dropped panties for someone not her husband. that's a big ole cheat. 

(lol but again i do respect your opinion of course. and i mean everyone elses too i just explain why it bugs moi).

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statsgirl

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Even if Willow had her fingers crossed behind her back when she married Chase, it still counts as a marriage. Chase did not deserve to have her cheat on him.

Between Michael sleeping with Sasha as soon has he heard that Willow kissed Drew (horrors!) and then having sex with Willow, and Willow angry at Sasha because she wants to make her marriage work and then running to "comfort" Drew, Michael and Willow truly deserve each other.

4 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

 Now, she's got another secret and doesn't want to 'fess up yet again. Once again, she's using the excuse that she and Willow are getting close, and she doesn't want to ruin it.

It's a tricky situation because it's likely (hopefully?) Willow would be horrified to have designs on a man that her mother is in a relationship with. It's bad enough that she's having an adulterous emotional affair, to hear that she's having feelings for a man that her mother is involved with should make her feel even worse. Although maybe not, this is Willow after all.

3 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

 

Nina - Like I said in my previous post, despite the fact that it started with hate sex, I loved the beginning of Drew and Nina. But, it's gone off the rails in so many ways - including Nina deciding to continue to have sex with Drew to distract him from his attraction to her married daughter

I agree, the start of the Drew/Nina affair had so much potential to be something good, an enemies-to-collaborateurs-to-something. They had the sparkly sparring that was Robert/Anna and Robert/Holly in the old days and which no couple seems to have now.

I cannot agree with the writers' decision to ruin that for this grossness.

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nilyank

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47 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's a tricky situation because it's likely (hopefully?) Willow would be horrified to have designs on a man that her mother is in a relationship with.

She might be horrified but I would hope also that would drop her hero worship of man that does not exist. Drew has been sleeping with Nina before the first kiss with Willow and he kept sleeping with her after that kiss. There is nothing dreamy about a man actively sleeping with one woman and always getting the same physical space of the daughter.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

14 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Also weird was Jason being Diane's sounding board as she droned on about her drama with Robert. I know she acknowledged at the outset that it was a comparatively insignificant problem, but I don't buy Jason sitting there listening to her talk about that, even if he did need a distraction.

That scene cracked me up. I hope Diane just sees him as someone to temporarily vent to, because we all know Jason is not someone to go to with relationship problems.

 

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FilmTVGeek80

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11 hours ago, Daisy said:

yeah to be fair - because she thought he was going to bite it. i don't know - I mean i respect your opinion and everything) but it was always the fact that he gave her so many outs not to do it and she was like Oh no okay. like she didn't have to do it at all but she did and then was like  "Well you know this sucks because you're alive now, i thought i was gonna just be a quick widow." then decides to screw his best friend because "well i didn't want to be married to him anyway so it's okay." it's just fundamental to me. I think it would have been different had he not given her 9999 million outs before hand. regardless of what she thought - she said I do, put a ring on it, then dropped panties for someone not her husband. that's a big ole cheat. 

(lol but again i do respect your opinion of course. and i mean everyone elses too i just explain why it bugs moi).

Thanks for the respectful tone. I can understand why it bothers you. I know you’re probably being facetious, but Willow was not bummed that Chase lived. Yeah, him living made the situation trickier and she was stressed about the “oh, shit now what do I do” aspect of it. I know Chase gave her outs, but I also recall a lot of passive aggressive behavior and comments (not just from Chase) about how first she was giving him the strength to fight to live and then she would be the reason he would fight to walk again. I’m not saying what Willow did was right. She should have never married him and she should have waited to sleep with Michael until after she broke up with Chase. But, I remember her being raked over the coals as if she had committed the worst sin ever and I never thought it rose to that level. It was not the typical infidelity storyline.
 

Also, fans like me are justifying it because it wasn’t a real marriage to Willow anyway. She never said that on-screen. She did feel bad about it and apologized to him when he confronted her. I think she even apologized about it again before Chase and Brook-Lynn got married. 

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Even if Willow had her fingers crossed behind her back when she married Chase, it still counts as a marriage. Chase did not deserve to have her cheat on him.

Between Michael sleeping with Sasha as soon has he heard that Willow kissed Drew (horrors!) and then having sex with Willow, and Willow angry at Sasha because she wants to make her marriage work and then running to "comfort" Drew, Michael and Willow truly deserve each other.

It's a tricky situation because it's likely (hopefully?) Willow would be horrified to have designs on a man that her mother is in a relationship with. It's bad enough that she's having an adulterous emotional affair, to hear that she's having feelings for a man that her mother is involved with should make her feel even worse. Although maybe not, this is Willow after all.

I agree, the start of the Drew/Nina affair had so much potential to be something good, an enemies-to-collaborateurs-to-something. They had the sparkly sparring that was Robert/Anna and Robert/Holly in the old days and which no couple seems to have now.

I cannot agree with the writers' decision to ruin that for this grossness.

On a soap, there are degrees of cheating. In the 90s, Jax, Chloe, Alexis, and Ned all “cheated” on their spouses during the mixed married storyline. People have marriages of convenience. I get that this situation was different because both parties didn’t realize it was a marriage in name only, but to me it makes a difference. That’s why I don’t care about her cheating on Chase, but do find her cheating on Michael distasteful. Plus, not to sound to grade school about it, but Chase (and Sasha) lied first and basically threw Willow and Michael together. I get that Chase had a noble reason (just like Willow had noble reasons for marrying Chase) but if he hadn’t decided to play God with their relationship and broken Willow’s heart, she might not have fallen in love with Michael in the first place.

As for Nina not telling Willow, I get that the situation is complicated, but given Nina’s history with Willow, it should be a no brainer for her to tell Willow the truth. How many times can you get kicked in the teeth for certain behavior before you realize “hey, maybe lying isn’t working out for me.” It’s especially stupid given how many people know about this “secret” and yet Nina’s still willing to chance that Willow won’t find out. And, as nilyank pointed out, telling Willow the truth might have helped her. Yes, finding out she kissed the man sleeping with her mother might have grossed her out, but the woman survived a cult, she could probably survive that. Willow was distraught about the kiss and her feelings for Drew. She told Nina she didn’t want to have those feelings. It might have ended her attraction right then and there to find out what was going on between Nina and Drew.

56 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

That scene cracked me up. I hope Diane just sees him as someone to temporarily vent to, because we all know Jason is not someone to go to with relationship problems.

 

Thanks for giving me my only laugh of the day. 

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FilmTVGeek80

FilmTVGeek80

2 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I cannot get over Willow going from "ZOMG, I'm fighting to save my marriage, thank you Jesus for Michael forgiving me" to jumping on Drew in a fucking kid's room five minutes later.  

It’s whiplash-inducing. I feel so bad for KMac attempting to find a way to play that that made any sense. There’s just no way. 

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Bringonthedrama

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46 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Thanks for giving me my only laugh of the day. 

I feel the same way. I was just thinking, after seeing the early morning news, I'm only going to watch scenes involving Laura with her children and Elizabeth, Dante, and Tracy or her grandchildren, and Alexis with her grandchildren for the foreseeable future. I know they are characters, not real people, but I just can't deal with seeing how Michael, Sonny, Drew, TJ, Curtis, and Ric talk to/behave with women. 

I also have zero interest in any storyline with Robert and a retconned daughter, a retconned son in Mac's family, newlyweds BLQ and Chase getting "baby rabies," or anything having to do with Gio and the Quartermaines and Carly and her off-spring.

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KerleyQ

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I can't help it, I like the trashy soapiness of it all.  Also, I was half right about the first time they'd have sex. I thought it was going to be to comfort Drew after the Congressman died. After that didn't happen, and I heard Sam was going to die, I figured it would be after her death, then. I just really hope Willow doesn't end up pregnant now, but like the rest of you, I'm betting she will. This story does not need a baby involved, too.  And God knows Drew is a shitty father to the kid he already does have. 

By the way, I read here before I watched the episode. When I first saw everyone horrified by a sex scene, without mention of who it was, I was legitimately scared, for a moment, that it was Jason having grief sex with Anna.  ( I apologize for putting that thought out into the universe.) 

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 minute ago, KerleyQ said:

I was legitimately scared, for a moment, that it was Jason having grief sex with Anna.  ( I apologize for putting that thought out into the universe.) 

Oh, thank you SO MUCH for putting it out there in the universe! It was someone else who thought it would be a good idea for Sasha to be connected to someone on the show, and look what happened!

If nothing else, I liked that Sidwell didn't give any bluedilly fucks or shits at Cujo "threatening" him with Jason! HAH!

Look, after last night, I'm taking whatever small pleasures I can in my fiction and escapist worlds.

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59 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

bluedilly fucks

I'm going to have to TM 'bluedilly fuck', that's been my line for years, lol.

Haven’t watched the show in a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time but tuned in for Sam’s death.

In twelve days, it will be the first anniversary of my mother’s death.  That said, everything was a trigger for me, from seeing Sam’s death face to Alexis breaking down….outside of her “I HATE YOU!” to God, I related to all the emotions she was going through.  I will say that I did get a chuckle in because through my tears I kept seeing Kelly blinking when she’s supposed to be dead.

As for Robert/Holly, I am forever a fan.  From their How Do We Keep The Music Playing into and their adventures, IMO she can do no wrong and if they were to leave together I’d be very happy.

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driver18

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Someone explain to me why once Diane heard about Sam and expressed her sympathy to Jason, her first response wasn't: I have to find Alexis.

Nope, instead, she settled herself down to have a nice cozy chat about her feefees with her favorite hit man client re: her lovelife.

OK, then. 

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FilmTVGeek80

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15 minutes ago, driver18 said:

Someone explain to me why once Diane heard about Sam and expressed her sympathy to Jason, her first response wasn't: I have to find Alexis.

Nope, instead, she settled herself down to have a nice cozy chat about her feefees with her favorite hit man client re: her lovelife.

OK, then. 

As much as I found her talk with Jason kind of silly and a bad case of misplaced timing, I think her first reaction was to reach out to Alexis. I think she started to reach for her purse - either to call or to leave and find Alexis - but Jason told her Alexis was at the hospital dealing with arrangements for Sam. She didn’t state it outright, but I assumed she decided that should give the family privacy for that. I still think she should have gone to the hospital, but she did think of Alexis.

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

22 minutes ago, driver18 said:

Someone explain to me why once Diane heard about Sam and expressed her sympathy to Jason, her first response wasn't: I have to find Alexis.

Nope, instead, she settled herself down to have a nice cozy chat about her feefees with her favorite hit man client re: her lovelife.

OK, then. 

The writing for Diane baffles me at times. Way back when she heard that tween Michael had been shot in the head, she and (Sonny's) bodyguard Max had grief sex, which started their relationship.

3 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

As much as I found her talk with Jason kind of silly and a bad case of misplaced timing, I think her first reaction was to reach out to Alexis. I think she started to reach for her purse - either to call or to leave and find Alexis - but Jason told her Alexis was at the hospital dealing with arrangements for Sam. She didn’t state it outright, but I assumed she decided that should give the family privacy for that. I still think she should have gone to the hospital, but she did think of Alexis.

You are correct. That was my assumption too. 

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tessaray

tessaray

1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

By the way, I read here before I watched the episode. When I first saw everyone horrified by a sex scene, without mention of who it was, I was legitimately scared, for a moment, that it was Jason having grief sex with Anna.  ( I apologize for putting that thought out into the universe.) 

Sweeps aren't over yet, so don't get too comfortable. 🙂

On one level I'm also enjoying the trashy soapiness. And DZ and NLG are breaking my heart. Sam's death will reverberate for years, no doubt. What else can you ask for with a daytime drama? 

At least we still have Carly, providing warmth and wisdom everywhere she goes. /s

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Asp Burger

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All I really have to add to the discussion of Willow (and all related things), on a tough and sleep-deprived day, is this:

Recently I skimmed through about a week's worth of shows I had missed, watching only the parts I found interesting (insert your own punch line about how long that took me). I think KMc has come a long way as a soap actor in six years. I never disliked her as a performer, and she's physically lovely and all, but she has a somewhat Herbstian gift for staying sympathetic even when the character is written to do things the audience will find unsympathetic. Now, she's up against whiplash-inducing (thanks, FTVG80) writing choices, like everyone else on GH at present, so there's only so much she can do. But she plays "tortured" or "guilt-ridden" very well. I find this Willow far easier to follow than the one who was icing out Nina at every opportunity, irrationally accusing Nina of being everywhere Willow and Michael went (even when Nina had clearly been there first), and generally smugging up the joint a year or so ago.

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Daisy

Daisy

4 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I cannot get over Willow going from "ZOMG, I'm fighting to save my marriage, thank you Jesus for Michael forgiving me" to jumping on Drew in a fucking kid's room five minutes later.  

i was amazed that drew went down from being in boxer, and willow was wearing dark pants, and this mystery blanket appeared from no where to cover them up. just a magical sex blanket i guess

In the previews Portia goes "I knew i shouldn't have let Lucas operate on Sam" and i'm like NO YOU DON'T SAY. 

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absnow54

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16 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Glad that Millow is breaking up. Hopefully for good but if there’s a who’s the daddy storyline he will probably forgive her.  I’d love Willow to divorce Michael.

I think Willow will have a pregnancy scare and admit to Michael there was a who’s the daddy risk and he’ll “forgive” her. Then Sasha will realize she’s pregnant and when Willow finds out Michael is the father she’ll divorce him for being so sanctimonious while he was a big fat cheater too. 

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dubbel zout

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It cracked me up when Michael asked BLQ if she knew where Willow was, and she didn't. Go look upstairs in the playroom!

14 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

I find this Willow far easier to follow than the one who was icing out Nina at every opportunity, irrationally accusing Nina of being everywhere Willow and Michael went (even when Nina had clearly been there first), and generally smugging up the joint a year or so ago.

As much as I hate this story, I agree. Willow has an agency here she didn't have earlier, when it was all about how Michael felt and keeping him placated.

Robert needs to cut Holly loose. All she does is lie while expecting everyone to help her regardless.

Oh, now Portia wonders about Lucas participating in Sam's surgery. It would be interesting if Sidwell somehow fixed it so it looked as if Lucas had made a mistake, but that won't happen.

43 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Curtis was acting like he was just some distant person to Sam, not someone who had been her friend and business partner.

He was curiously detached.

I also laughed when Scout asked Drew where he was and he said, "I was trying to stay busy." That's one way of putting it.

55 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Nanny cam for the win!

Very soapy, but why would Michael install a nanny cam in the Q mansion?

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FilmTVGeek80

FilmTVGeek80

25 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

 

Robert needs to cut Holly loose. All she does is lie while expecting everyone to help her regardless.

He was curiously detached.

I also laughed when Scout asked Drew where he was and he said, "I was trying to stay busy." That's one way of putting it.

Very soapy, but why would Michael install a nanny cam in the Q mansion?

I know the writing on this show often sucks, but I’m flabbergasted that this is how they’re writing a potential reunion story for Robert & Holly. Any smart man would have nothing to do with her after all of this. How it might instead make him go “Yeah, let’s try to make it work this time” is mystifying.

It’s like the writers understood that Curtis was an addict and put him in that scenes simply because of that without knowing any of the dynamics involved. At one point, Alexis refers to her friend Finn and so did a double take because Curtis acted like he was a stranger when he was his friend, too.

Ugh, not doing anything to help your position as a single father, Drew. His traumatized daughter can’t sleep (as I predicted) and he’s off sleeping with his nephew’s wife, so Scout’s traumatized even further because she can’t find her remaining parent. 
 

The nanny cam thing made no sense. His kids do play there a lot, but it still seems odd he would put it there. I don’t have nanny cams, but why would it go off just because it was in motion? And, why was Michael only just then getting an alert since  that had happened awhile ago?

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

50 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Very soapy, but why would Michael install a nanny cam in the Q mansion?

Plot point, of course. 

I like how BLQ lost Violet to seemingly win Scout, although Scout's request to be tucked in by Drew and Willow was such a plot point writing.

Michael deserves everything he gets and then some, but I discovered that I hate Drew more than Michael.

For this week at least.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

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21 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I don’t have nanny cams, but why would it go off just because it was in motion? And, why was Michael only just then getting an alert since  that had happened awhile ago?

The nanny can detect motion in the room, which is kind of weird because it would send an alert anytime anyone was in the room, fucking or not (heh). That would mean Michael gets an alert for everything. How annoying. As for getting it just then, I think he hadn't looked at his phone for a while so that's when he was the alert.

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Michael deserves everything he gets and then some, but I discovered that I hate Drew more than Michael.

For this week at least.

They're equally detestable to me, for different reasons.

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Josh371982

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1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

I think Willow will have a pregnancy scare and admit to Michael there was a who’s the daddy risk and he’ll “forgive” her. Then Sasha will realize she’s pregnant and when Willow finds out Michael is the father she’ll divorce him for being so sanctimonious while he was a big fat cheater too. 

Considering Willow started the infidelity making out with Her husband's Uncle a couple times and lusting for him for months BEFORE Micheal found out and then screwed his Uncle without even knowing about Micheals misdeed she would have no right to be all hypocritical and Santicoums herself 

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Daisy

Daisy

1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

I think Willow will have a pregnancy scare and admit to Michael there was a who’s the daddy risk and he’ll “forgive” her. Then Sasha will realize she’s pregnant and when Willow finds out Michael is the father she’ll divorce him for being so sanctimonious while he was a big fat cheater too. 

i can live with this timeline. as long as Sasha loses her baby too. (or at least has a scare). it's nothing against Sasha but Michael does not have to have 3 kids. (he shouldn't even have the second one). if Amelia didn't exist i'd be open to this one because it could be kinda Jason/AJ part deux.

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statsgirl

statsgirl

It's soapy, but Sasha has lost her grandmother, her baby, her husband and been cheated by her mother-in-law. Then she found out that the guy she's in love with is her cousin, and slept with Michael.  Hasn't Sahsa suffered enough?

5 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Come on. Michael went to comfort his grieving sister. You can’t expect Willow to wait around all day. She saw Drew grieving first. First come, first served.

I wish that I could give this a score of likes.

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Michael deserves everything he gets and then some, but I discovered that I hate Drew more than Michael.

For this week at least.

It's a tough choice. Drew is more foul this month but Michael has been awful for years now.

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Grammy6

Grammy6

I have never liked the character of Drew, but now I find him creepy as well as sleazy.  The hand over his heart thing doesn't resonate with me as a sympathetic gesture.  I find Willow, Michael, and Drew deserving of each other, and I have no interest in seeing any of them on my TV. 

 

Alexis and Dante are fantastic.  Emmys for both the actors should be in their futures.  The little girl who plays Scout is very, very believable.   I hope being in such a sad and difficult storyline at such a young age doesn't give her nightmares in real life.

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Cheyanne11

Cheyanne11

3 hours ago, Daisy said:

i can live with this timeline. as long as Sasha loses her baby too.

Ugh, no.  The torture porn of that character needs to stop.

I'm glad this infidelity is already known by Michael, though let's see what he does with it.  Maybe he'll go full Q and try and drop a ceiling on them (IF ONLY).

DZ and NLG are doing such a great job portraying their grief.  It's hard to watch, but they really are nailing it.  

10 minutes ago, Grammy6 said:

The hand over his heart thing doesn't resonate with me as a sympathetic gesture. 

It reads Used Car Salesman with 'why I'd buy that car for my mother' energy.

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Auntie Velvet

Auntie Velvet

Imagine if tomorrow's show starts the dozen other family members and staff who would logically have access to the playroom camera staring at their phones in horror.

I do hope that in the middle of his upcoming pout tantrum, Michael mentions in passing why there would be a motion detector cam in a place where children constantly move around. 

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Mirabelle

Mirabelle

Michael has a cursed penis. Every bed partner has either died or suffered tremendously and Sasha just reinforced the curse by sleeping with him again.

As an actor, Cameron Mathieson does not project warmth or sincerity which is why his lines come off as sleazy. He comes across as if he's running a con or trying to sell me an MLM product.

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1 hour ago, Mirabelle said:

maybe the cam is to keep track of what shifts the nannies are working. 

And to make sure that the nannies are earning their pay.  Not lollygagging around.

Sorry to demand logic, again, but how does one smuggle (hundreds) of millions of dollars of uncut diamonds into the US?   Holly arrived on a plane, even if it is private, one still needs to clear customs.  If nothing is searched, she could have brought in a few bricks of heroin while she was at it.

Do we really have to rescue Sasha?

 

 

 

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