The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.

[SeanC]

Feige has said he envisions characters moving back and forth between film and streaming (this was specifically in the context of Kamala Khan).

[VCRTracking]

 

 

[Danny Franks]

Especially if the union provided health insurance. Lord knows how much Bucky's therapy sessions would cost if the US military weren't paying for them.

I guess we're getting into "boring dystopia" territory with the idea of superheroes not being able to prove their earnings for loans, or to get the help they need in handling grief, but this is still a world where the Avengers were backed by one of the richest companies in the world. But I guess the notion that Pepper and Happy would just cut these guys loose without support does fit the lack of joined up thinking that comic books often have - 'Why don't Captain America and Reed Richards tell the world how great the X-Men are?' 'How come Iron Man had to fight the Mandarin on his own all the time?' etc

[Spartan Girl]

As much as I disliked Bucky in the movies — or at the very least the thirsty fangirls that coddle and woo icy him — I feel more for him in TFATWS after only one episode than I did in all the movies (except for maybe the first Cap movie, because he actually felt like a real character back then). Because now it’s actually showing him dealing with the fallout of his trauma and guilt instead of just paying lip service to him (“I remember all of them.”) And it’s making it clear that no amount of “amends” or therapy is going to make any of it okay.

And once again, Endgame Steve comes off as a gigantic douchebag for ditching him to fuck with the timeline when Bucky has been frozen/brainwashed/dusted and hasn’t yet come to terms with the fact he’s 100 years into the future and never got any closure with HIS family, who all died thinking he’d been killed in action (though maybe it was better they never knew HYDRA turned him into a murderer). 

Man, the movies really missed the opportunity by not giving him a relationship with Natasha like in the comics. Instead of that “I’m a monster because I can’t have children” shit Whedon heaped on us, having her and Bucky connect over all the red on their ledgers would have been much more organic.

[Anduin]

21 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

 

Man, the movies really missed the opportunity by not giving him a relationship with Natasha like in the comics. Instead of that “I’m a monster because I can’t have children” shit Whedon heaped on us, having her and Bucky connect over all the red on their ledgers would have been much more organic.

No. Natasha thought she was a monster because of what the program did to her. Sterility was only one component of that. I don't know why people focus on that aspect over the being taught how and to murder and being sent out to do so.

[Bruinsfan]

Because of the way she phrased it, and the discussion immediately prior being about her and Bruce's future together with the possibility of kids. It's not that big a mystery why it rubbed people wrong at the time, and that was before all the creepy stuff about Whedon's personal behavior and issues with women came to light and colored his treatment of them on film.

[Anduin]

14 hours ago, Bruinsfan said:

Because of the way she phrased it, and the discussion immediately prior being about her and Bruce's future together with the possibility of kids. It's not that big a mystery why it rubbed people wrong at the time, and that was before all the creepy stuff about Whedon's personal behavior and issues with women came to light and colored his treatment of them on film.

Yeah, I can see that. It's just frustrating to focus on the small part, sterility, instead of the big part, killing people. I gather that Agents of Shield has touched on the program. Shown more than just a couple of flashbacks. Hopefully the BW movie will give us more too.

[Raja]

14 minutes ago, Anduin said:

Yeah, I can see that. It's just frustrating to focus on the small part, sterility, instead of the big part, killing people. I gather that Agents of Shield has touched on the program. Shown more than just a couple of flashbacks. Hopefully the BW movie will give us more too.

Agent Carter, which is more begrudgingly accepted as canon due to Jarvis, did as much with Dottie. And the post war Howling Commandos attack of the Leviathan base.

[AimingforYoko]

Hawkeye spinoff featuring Echo in development at Disney+.

A spinoff of a show not even out yet? Feige's feeling his oats. For those unfamiliar, Echo.

[Captain Carrot]

I was wondering, does anyone know if the Phase One Marvel One Shots are available on Disney Plus? Or do you need to have the Blu-Ray to watch them? I always thought they were great extras that showed what happened after the movies. (And in at least one case fixed a bad moment in an earlier movie).

[Anduin]

10 hours ago, Raja said:

Agent Carter, which is more begrudgingly accepted as canon due to Jarvis, did as much with Dottie. And the post war Howling Commandos attack of the Leviathan base.

I haven't seen Agent Carter either. One day there will be an MCU show that grabs me, but it hasn't happened yet. Did they focus on Dottie's sterility or her being trained to kill?

[anna0852]

16 minutes ago, Anduin said:

I haven't seen Agent Carter either. One day there will be an MCU show that grabs me, but it hasn't happened yet. Did they focus on Dottie's sterility or her being trained to kill?

Sterility never got mentioned. All about the brainwashing and assassin training. 

Watch Agent Carter. It's fantastic!

[Abra]

38 minutes ago, Captain Carrot said:

I was wondering, does anyone know if the Phase One Marvel One Shots are available on Disney Plus? Or do you need to have the Blu-Ray to watch them? I always thought they were great extras that showed what happened after the movies. (And in at least one case fixed a bad moment in an earlier movie).

I just checked, and only two are available under the Extras section: The Consultant from Thor, and Agent Carter from Iron Man 3.

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Captain Carrot said:

I was wondering, does anyone know if the Phase One Marvel One Shots are available on Disney Plus? Or do you need to have the Blu-Ray to watch them? I always thought they were great extras that showed what happened after the movies. (And in at least one case fixed a bad moment in an earlier movie).

Only The Consultant and Agent Carter are on Disney+ as extras. 

[Danny Franks]

8 hours ago, anna0852 said:

Watch Agent Carter. It's fantastic!

I watched the first season and loved it. But as soon as I read the words "love triangle" in descriptions for season two I checked out. As I do whenever I read those words.

The Netflix MCU shows were half good half not - Daredevil was really good, the first season of Jessica Jones was fantastic and the first season of The Punisher was great. The rest was mediocre-to-awful. But the characters would be salvageable, if Marvel were willing to do it. Particularly Matt Murdock (who is obviously rumoured to appear in the next Spider-Man, along with almost everyone else who formerly wore a superhero costume) and Jessica Jones.

[Kel Varnsen]

4 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

I watched the first season and loved it. But as soon as I read the words "love triangle" in descriptions for season two I checked out. As I do whenever I read those words.

The Netflix MCU shows were half good half not - Daredevil was really good, the first season of Jessica Jones was fantastic and the first season of The Punisher was great. The rest was mediocre-to-awful. But the characters would be salvageable, if Marvel were willing to do it. Particularly Matt Murdock (who is obviously rumoured to appear in the next Spider-Man, along with almost everyone else who formerly wore a superhero costume) and Jessica Jones.

I remember the first season of Agent Carter being really fun but the second one not really grabbing my interest in the same way. I always thought Peggy Carter stories would work great in a tv movie style format instead of a series. Give her two hours to go on a mission and kick as on a tv level budget and it could be really fun.

As for the Netflix shows I don't think there has ever been a bigger range of quality from the really good to really bad on any other Marvel project. And for the Defenders I think it probably has the biggest hype/ excitement to letdown ratio of anything Marvel has done. I was so interested in watching it when. They first announced it and it didn't even come close to living up to it.

[stealinghome]

Agent Carter's first season had a lot of potential (it wasn't perfect, mind, but had potential), but the second season doubled down on everything that DIDN'T work about S1 while jettisoning almost everything that DID.

At the end of the day, I wasn't convinced that the creative team behind Agent Carter "got" Peggy or what made her such a hit with the fans.

[Raja]

13 hours ago, Anduin said:

I haven't seen Agent Carter either. One day there will be an MCU show that grabs me, but it hasn't happened yet. Did they focus on Dottie's sterility or her being trained to kill?

The Red Room training of the spy assassins' who would honey trap among other  tactics was on Agent Carter. On Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. we got a fully formed Ward who as a "mission specialist" was a full formed "double 0" with a seeming license to kill before the Hydra reveal. For training we got May taking then Skye through "crossing someone off" even if the show had the magical stun guns in "icers" which allowed the heroes to blaze away without being portrayed as merciless killers like Dottie and presumably Natasha before she defected to S.H.I.E.L.D.

[FnkyChkn34]

I started watching Jessica Jones last night on Netflix, and wasn't super impressed.  I might try another episode or two, we'll see.  Any thoughts?  Is it worth it?

[Danny Franks]

2 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I started watching Jessica Jones last night on Netflix, and wasn't super impressed.  I might try another episode or two, we'll see.  Any thoughts?  Is it worth it?

The first season was great, in my opinion, with one of Marvel's most unsettling and memorable villains. The second season? Yeesh. I didn't even watch season three.

[Raja]

14 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I started watching Jessica Jones last night on Netflix, and wasn't super impressed.  I might try another episode or two, we'll see.  Any thoughts?  Is it worth it?

Jessica Jones, well the entire NetFlix corner except  Luke Cage  and Iron Fist in my opinion, is a 180 degree turn from the normal Disney/MCU tone as she battles a supernatural rapist.  It isn't something I would re-watch but your mileage may vary.

[swanpride]

First season of Jessica Jones well worth it, won a Peabody Award for a reason. Second and Third were garbage and arguably even ruined part of what made the first season so good.

Similiar story with Agent Carter. First season was great. But as said above, the basically threw the best part of the first season (mainly it being an utterly self-contained story about Peggy) over board in order to tease a third season which never happened. I would still recommend the first season to everyone.

But that's the reason why I still think that Agents of Shield is by far the best Marvel show. Because they kept up the quality for seven seasons.

[Kel Varnsen]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

For training we got May taking then Skye through "crossing someone off" even if the show had the magical stun guns in "icers" which allowed the heroes to blaze away without being portrayed as merciless killers like Dottie and presumably Natasha before she defected to S.H.I.E.L.D.

I hated those stupid icers. I mean I don't need to see Coulson and his friends murdering everyone. But at the same time Fury had not problems killing people to get what he needed. I mean he totally set up those mercenaries to hijack that Shield ship knowing that Cap, Natasha and the Strike team would probably kill a bunch of them. And it didn't even phase him.

26 minutes ago, Danny Franks said:

The first season was great, in my opinion, with one of Marvel's most unsettling and memorable villains. The second season? Yeesh. I didn't even watch season three.

The first season was amazing and by the third they managed to ruin a lot of what made the first one great to the point where I have no interest in the further adventures of Krysten Ritter as Jessica Jones.

[cambridgeguy]

If Killgrave thought bigger he could have dominated the world.  Just imagine him walking into Stark Industries and having a little chat with Tony.

[swanpride]

I wouldn't mind more Jessica Jones, but please with a soft reboot.

[Kel Varnsen]

47 minutes ago, swanpride said:

But that's the reason why I still think that Agents of Shield is by far the best Marvel show. Because they kept up the quality for seven seasons.

Agents of shield was way too hit or miss for me. There were some great seasons and great characters. But I hated the trapped in the future season and the one that followed it with the fake Coulson Sarge guy. But my biggest problem is I wanted a real spy show set in the MCU (something like Alias) and this show steadily morphed into something more like star trek (their plane even became an intergalactic space ship). Now I get that the fall of shield really messed with things. But it would have been cool of they had used that to turn it into something like Burn Notice where they are solving small time problems, instead of world (or galaxy ending) threats 

48 minutes ago, cambridgeguy said:

If Killgrave thought bigger he could have dominated the world.  Just imagine him walking into Stark Industries and having a little chat with Tony.

That was kind of the great thing about that character. He was so much of a psycho that he was more interested in causing specific people pain then he was having any kind of great master plan.

[Captain Carrot]

15 hours ago, Abra said:

I just checked, and only two are available under the Extras section: The Consultant from Thor, and Agent Carter from Iron Man 3.

I'm glad those are on Disney Plus, but it's a shame they don't have the others. (Although I have to wonder if 'All Hail the King' will be available before Shang-Chi is released). Oh well, I still have my Blu-Rays.

[AimingforYoko]

57 minutes ago, cambridgeguy said:

If Killgrave thought bigger he could have dominated the world.

That was the point of Killgrave. He didn't want to rule the world (Frankly that sounds like a lot of work). He just wanted to do whatever he desired, without consequence.

[stealinghome]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

But my biggest problem is I wanted a real spy show set in the MCU (something like Alias) and this show steadily morphed into something more like star trek (their plane even became an intergalactic space ship). Now I get that the fall of shield really messed with things. But it would have been cool of they had used that to turn it into something like Burn Notice where they are solving small time problems, instead of world (or galaxy ending) threats

That was what AoS was supposed to be, and was originally pitched as--the normal everyday SHIELD agent handling problems that were too low-level for the likes of Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, the Hulk, etc.

However, AoS really struggled in its first season, and "oh, people don't actually want a show about small-time heroes" became the showrunners' excuse for why the first season underwhelmed when the reality was that most of the first season simply wasn't very good.

[VCRTracking]

14 minutes ago, stealinghome said:

That was what AoS was supposed to be, and was originally pitched as--the normal everyday SHIELD agent handling problems that were too low-level for the likes of Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, the Hulk, etc.

However, AoS really struggled in its first season, and "oh, people don't actually want a show about small-time heroes" became the showrunners' excuse for why the first season underwhelmed when the reality was that most of the first season simply wasn't very good.

"FZZT" was the first really good episode and I thought "T.R.A.C.K.S" was a fun, clever episode that showed the potential of what the show could've been if it had stayed simply a spy show with ordinary people. Also ALIAS was a fun show but it also got mired in the whole Rambaldi mythology and Sydney's family drama.

I will say one good thing about the entire Jessica Jones series is it made me glad Anakin Skywalker was unlikable in the prequels because man Episode III would've REALLY hurt if I actually did like and care about him!

[BetterButter]

 

[swanpride]

Honestly, I think AoS would have gotten stale if it had limited itself to the premise of a simple Spy show. Especially since its overreaching story arcs were the best. Btw, Season 1 was actually pretty amazing in its back half, it was the first half which was a problem.

Granted, the sixth season was easily the weakest. I think the show suffered due to the last minute reveal, and with having been hung out dry by the studio. But it was worth for the seventh season imho.

[Raja]

I think that the little people little threat was a misdirect from the start as the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D was Daisy, more than just an agent and the Nu(In)humans   place in "its all connected".  As I recall mutants and the Fantastic Four was being demphasized as Marvel didn't own the broadcast rights at the time. And the Inhuman royalty was stuck in development hell. To bad it got out.

[Kel Varnsen]

4 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

ALIAS was a fun show but it also got mired in the whole Rambaldi mythology and Sydney's family drama.

I rewatched Alias last summer with my wife and I would agree with that. But even when it was at it was at it's most crazy Rambaldi it was still super fun, and looked great with the crazy costumes and locations. 

Plus even the most hardcore Rambaldi plotlines were easier to follow then what ever the hell the plotline of Agents of Shield season 6 was. You could put a gun to my head and I couldn't explain what the deal was with that fake Coulson guy who was maybe good, maybe evil, the evil lady and the throat bats.

3 hours ago, swanpride said:

Honestly, I think AoS would have gotten stale if it had limited itself to the premise of a simple Spy show. Especially since its overreaching story arcs were the best. Btw, Season 1 was actually pretty amazing in its back half, it was the first half which was a problem.

I think they could have sustained a good spy show with decent writing and a good budget. Along with Alias and Burn Notice that I previously mentioned there, Homeland has also been on for a bunch of seasons. The first few seasons of the British show Spooks was amazing. The world ending threats that only this small group of amazing people could defeat got just as stale for me.

[Danny Franks]

6 hours ago, stealinghome said:

That was what AoS was supposed to be, and was originally pitched as--the normal everyday SHIELD agent handling problems that were too low-level for the likes of Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, the Hulk, etc.

However, AoS really struggled in its first season, and "oh, people don't actually want a show about small-time heroes" became the showrunners' excuse for why the first season underwhelmed when the reality was that most of the first season simply wasn't very good.

I tried watching the second (or maybe it was the third?) season - the one with Adrianne Palicki as Mockingbird and the English guy who wasn't Hawkeye but was married to her - and I thought it was even worse than the first season.

It just felt so low-rent to me, like a WB action show from the early 2000s. There really wasn't anything compelling about it, especially with Clark Gregg as the lead. I've said this many times but, for me, the appeal of him in the MCU movies was he was a very normal, dull bureaucrat who seemed so out of his element amongst the larger-than-life superheroes and became someone the audience could really empathise with. Making that normal, dull bureaucrat an action hero with his own team and special plane and endless gadgets simply did not work for me.

7 hours ago, AimingforYoko said:

That was the point of Killgrave. He didn't want to rule the world (Frankly that sounds like a lot of work). He just wanted to do whatever he desired, without consequence.

This is what I liked most about him. He wasn't a huge, direct threat to anyone except Jessica and anyone else he developed an interest in. He was an abuser, not a supervillain, but the collateral damage he caused was still of no consequence to him.

Unfortunately, the show took one of the most interesting relationships - that of Jessica and Trish - and stomped it into the mud in season two. I believe they ruined it even further in season three, just to emphasise that women can't ever really be friends.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Danny Franks

[VCRTracking]

 

14 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

I tried watching the second (or maybe it was the third?) season - the one with Adrianne Palicki as Mockingbird and the English guy who wasn't Hawkeye but was married to her - and I thought it was even worse than the first season.

It just felt so low-rent to me, like a WB action show from the early 2000s. There really wasn't anything compelling about it, especially with Clark Gregg as the lead. I've said this many times but, for me, the appeal of him in the MCU movies was he was a very normal, dull bureaucrat who seemed so out of his element amongst the larger-than-life superheroes and became someone the audience could really empathise with. Making that normal, dull bureaucrat an action hero with his own team and special plane and endless gadgets simply did not work for me.

I love Hunter and Bobbi and that 3rd season. The "Spy's Goodbye"  still makes me emotional. I like Coulson and May being team mom and dad. AOS is as Marvel as the movies in that if you like the characters you'll see them through whatever adventures they have and if they happen to be actually great, all the better.

Edited March 24, 2021 by VCRTracking

[Kel Varnsen]

23 minutes ago, Danny Franks said:

It just felt so low-rent to me, like a WB action show from the early 2000s.

The cheap look of the show probably bugged me more than anything else about it. I probably would have ignored many of the other issues (including the lack of MCU connection) if they spent more money at least look good. It makes me think of the movie Clerks and how Kevin Smith wrote into the story how the shutters over the windows were stuck, so he could film at night. Hell it wouldn't shock me to learn that the opening action sequence in Falcon and the Winter Soldier cost more than an entire Agents of Shield season.

[Danny Franks]

11 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The cheap look of the show probably bugged me more than anything else about it. I probably would have ignored many of the other issues (including the lack of MCU connection) if they spent more money at least look good. It makes me think of the movie Clerks and how Kevin Smith wrote into the story how the shutters over the windows were stuck, so he could film at night. Hell it wouldn't shock me to learn that the opening action sequence in Falcon and the Winter Soldier cost more than an entire Agents of Shield season.

I have no clue what the budget was for Agents of SHIELD, but it never seemed like the money was used to best effect. Compare it to the Netflix shows, which always looked great - the cinematography, directing, lighting - and were, for the most part, acted really well too (the writing was more patchy). But, crucially, they accepted the limitations of what they could do for the money they had, whereas Agents of SHIELD often seemed to want to do more than they could realistically achieve with their CGI and stunts budgets, as well as having worse writing and acting.

I mean, could they have sacrificed the CGI-generated plane in every episode so they could have better shot fight scenes, or a Ghost Rider who doesn't look like he was animated in 2005?

[swanpride]

Whut? AoS looked great! It had special effects which could have rivalled a mid-budget movie and the fight scenes were just amazing. The Netflix show had this distinct colour palette, but that didn't change that they were obviously shot on a shoestring budget, and they delivered one really great fight scene which they then continue to restage again and again.

Which was the general problem with the Netflix shows, after the first seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones they never really developed, they just repeated what was done before (and in the case of Jessica Jones that lead to the second season outright undermining the brilliant rejection of abusive tropes in the first season).

And honestly, the claim that the Ghost Rider in AoS didn't look great is puzzling. It beat the effects in the Cage movies by a mile.

[benteen]

Daredevil was a great show.  I even liked the second season, which I know many didn't (It wasn't without problems).  First season of Jessica Jones was terrific.  Second season was terrible and while the third season was improved, they never knew how to follow up that first season.  Blowing up the best aspect of the show in the second season, while it's easy to understand why they would explore that scenario, was not worth the damage that it did to the show.  Punisher had a terrific first season too but season two decided to continue to focus time on season one elements with increasingly diminishing results while not giving much time to the newer elements.  

I enjoyed Agent Carter's second season although they certainly didn't stick the landing, particularly with the pathetic "confrontation" with the main villain that season.

[FnkyChkn34]

Regarding the delay in releasing the moves:  At this point, haven't they all made such ridiculous heaps of money that Disney and Marvel can throw us a bone and release a movie now, so that we can have something, anything, during this miserable pandemic?  I'm also about 8 months too late in asking for this - they should have done it for us last year.  The shows on Disney+ are great, but even they were still delayed, and a movie would be nice too.  I know that they just want the box office receipts, but I mean really... c'mon now. 

Plus, movie theaters in other countries are open.  Australia and New Zealand handled their pandemic well and have been open for business for months.  Marvel and Disney should at least release it there for them.

[VCRTracking]

I think July is a good release date for Black Widow. Fingers crossed we're all out of the tunnel by then.

Another thing I liked about AOS is it had everything I loved about Joss Whedon shows and none of the things I hate.

The performances and action on a lot of the Netflix shows were incredible. If the episodes had come out on a weekly basis the buzz they would've generated would've been even greater.

Edited March 24, 2021 by VCRTracking

[Morrigan2575]

Pushing Black Widow to July is smart as there's indication we might have a relatively normal summer (all things considered).  

 

[swanpride]

That's optimistic. The American market might be open again, but in Europe, yeah, no, I don't think that we will have enough people vaccinated until then. Not to mention that there is a chance that a mutation might destroy all the vaccination efforts. But I guess its now or never, plus, the MCU moves forward on streaming.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Regarding the delay in releasing the moves:  At this point, haven't they all made such ridiculous heaps of money that Disney and Marvel can throw us a bone and release a movie now, so that we can have something, anything, during this miserable pandemic?  I'm also about 8 months too late in asking for this - they should have done it for us last year.  The shows on Disney+ are great, but even they were still delayed, and a movie would be nice too.  I know that they just want the box office receipts, but I mean really... c'mon now. 

Disney has done it, just not with Marvel. I can’t blame them for that since the Marvel are the best option for box office success after COVID. They also still have to maintain a decent relationship with theaters.  Plus the need to offset the massive losses due to theme park closures.

The Disney+ shows were delayed because filming was delayed. They got them on the air as soon as possible and a still had to cut some things in WandaVision that couldn’t be ready in time.  

11 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Pushing Black Widow to July is smart as there's indication we might have a relatively normal summer (all things considered).  

 

I wonder how there are going to handle the split between premier access and theatrical release. With the other movies it was either/or for each country. I hope we have both options available. 

[Kel Varnsen]

9 hours ago, swanpride said:

Whut? AoS looked great! It had special effects which could have rivalled a mid-budget movie and the fight scenes were just amazing. The Netflix show had this distinct colour palette, but that didn't change that they were obviously shot on a shoestring budget, and they delivered one really great fight scene which they then continue to restage again and again.

My comments about AoS looking cheap have to do with how, especially in the later seasons so many scenes were just the main characters wearing their same clothes in the same generic windowless rooms. The first part of the last season was actually refreshing since a bunch of scenes were filmed outside and with the time travel you had the characters in period appropriate costumes. Because really how do you have a show about young attractive spies and not send them out to exotic locations in good disguises all the time?

By comparison you could tell the Netflix shows were filmed on a budget, but the fact that a lot of stuff was filmed outside, in New York City made them look way better.

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

My comments about AoS looking cheap have to do with how, especially in the later seasons so many scenes were just the main characters wearing their same clothes in the same generic windowless rooms. The first part of the last season was actually refreshing since a bunch of scenes were filmed outside and with the time travel you had the characters in period appropriate costumes. Because really how do you have a show about young attractive spies and not send them out to exotic locations in good disguises all the time?

 

Elizabeth Henstridge YouTube lives watching the final series made is clear their budget was a lot smaller by the end of the show. Having to re-dress sets and make special effects look more expensive than they were came up a lot. AoS really suffered from being in limbo between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV. 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Guest

[VCRTracking]

They did get a lot of mileage out of the Lighthouse sets!

The irony is SHIELD comics were Lee and Kirby and later Jim Steranko looking at 60s spy shows that came out of the Bond craze and saying they could do a more far out and fantastic version without the limits of a TV budget.

[swanpride]

The budget constrains were an issue in season 5, true. Which they indeed solved by spending a lot of time on base. Not so much in season 6 and 7, because they got a little bit more budget there. But the budget was certainly not that much of an issue in season 1 to 3. In season 1 the team still went all over the world, in season 2 they had to cut down on that a little bit due to the larger cast, but there were still a lot of missions elsewhere, same in season 3. Granted, little was really shot "on location"...like, Malte was way too green to be Malta, they DID shot a scene in Stockholm but the actual scene with the actors was "generic subway set", Russia was "okay lots of ice", Italy was for sure NOT Italy aso. But you need to have a really critical mind to see it that way.

[AimingforYoko]

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