S02.E10: Quarantine

[Trini]

8 hours ago, sigmaforce86 said:

Was that Camille Guaty playing the pregnant women?  I loved Scorpion (well before it sort of fell apart at the end of the series) but especially Meghan and Sylvester's love story.  I was sure it was her but the show isn't on her IMDB page and there's nothing for that character the Good Doctor's page either so I can't confirm who it was.

I'm pretty sure it was her.

[debraran]

8 hours ago, mookster said:

Would it kill this show to do a funny, lighthearted finale? They crammed so much doom and gloom into an hour show - and not very well done either - I spent a lot of time rolling my eyes and yelling "come on." The distraught father-to-be trying to get to his quarantined pregnant wife is easily calmed, but the nutso doctor keeps banging on the doors to get to his estranged son having an asthma attack. I thought the comment about his son transitioning was to show what an out-of-touch-yet-eager-to-please Dad he was (and it checked the box for mentioning transitioning at least once per show. Ditto on Catrice2's observation of the surfeit of angry children of divorce). Nice to see Claire escape relatively unscathed, and they're really turning up the charm offensive on Resnick. I like Melendez and Lim - they better not kill her off. (And they really got rid of his lawyer girlfriend?) Lea was bearable for the first time in a long time, and Glassman was, well, Eeyore. It really sucks that his cancer is back in that, it's cancer, but also in terms of character development. He was more interesting as the head of the hospital and as mentor/friend to Sean. I feel like they're just scrambling around for intricate storylines and complex cases and the characters are an afterthought. I watch out of habit - and my daughter loves it - but this show is waning.

I agree, but it has time. They can recover. This wasn't like most of the shows.

[vavera4ka]

Well Merry F@&$ING Christmas lol

[Blue Plastic]

On 12/3/2018 at 10:42 PM, Pop Tart said:

I had a real issue with how they were treating the potential infectious-ness of it all. They feel pretty strongly that it’s airborne and highly contagious but wait for the second death to close off the area - and what about the hospital’s air circulation system, wouldn’t it be spreading the germs all over?

And then every time they’re in with the paramedic guy they’ve got their Ebola suits on, but both had already spent time with the guy, talking and interacting with no suits, so already exposed. Then Lim is talking to Reznick, no masks or anything, when she suddenly realizes she has a rash and oh no she’s got it, so she shuts herself in the room with the paramedic?

They were all exposed all over the place and yet being very blasé about it all or being highly dramatic and oh noes now I must lock myself away.

So none of the actual transmittal of the disease made any sense to me and made it so the storyflow was being constantly interrupted by me saying “ oh come on”.

All of this.  If it's so highly contagious then they'd probably all have it by now since they were all exposed to the two airplane patients who had it, then exposed to each other after the paramedic and then Lim fell ill, all while not wearing the protective equipment.  I know shows like this "have to" throw some of the normal hospital protocol out the window to make things more dramatic but I wish they could do a better job.

On 12/3/2018 at 10:53 PM, tennisgurl said:

Lea and Glassman actually made a decent pairing, and I felt awful for him getting the bad test results, and being unable to go to the hospital to help out. I dont blame him for wanting to go off to help though, he knew that Shaun would freak out, and thats exactly what happened.

Lea and Glassman were the only part of the show I liked!  Glassman looked so annoyed when she chided him for wanting to ditch his medical appointment and "rescue" Sean.

On 12/4/2018 at 1:53 AM, chocolatine said:

All the catastrophic cliffhangers make this show too much like Grey's Anatomy.

Yep.  This show is jumping the shark for me, already.  They are escalating the drama and un-realism to make their stories ever more exciting, just like Grey's, and that's one of the reasons I stopped watch Grey's years ago.

All the victims died so quickly, there'd be no hope for Lim.  But likely they will come up with a cure just as she's at heaven's gate.

I don't like the way they had Sean melt down over the buzzing fluorescent light.  I get that sensory problems are part of autism, but I just don't see how he could get through pre-med and medical school if he can't handle a buzzing light.  What if there's a buzz or other annoying sound in the middle of a surgery he's performing?  They don't seem to be able to decide how severely affected he is.

[vavera4ka]

At least we got a shirtless Melendez before all hell broke loose

idk if I want Lim to survive or not. 

If she survives it’s that cliche miracle outcome where doctors are super humans with immune system of gods

If she doesn’t it’s gonna be another cliche plot to throw Melendez onto the nearest compassionate shoulder to cry on. Which is Claire. 

Now, I want Claire and Melendez together but not sure that I want it to go that basic route. 

[catrice2]

12 minutes ago, vavera4ka said:

At least we got a shirtless Melendez before all hell broke loose

idk if I want Lim to survive or not. 

If she survives it’s that cliche miracle outcome where doctors are super humans with immune system of gods

If she doesn’t it’s gonna be another cliche plot to throw Melendez onto the nearest compassionate shoulder to cry on. Which is Claire. 

Now, I want Claire and Melendez together but not sure that I want it to go that basic route. 

I am wondering if they only put her in jeopardy for Melendez to realize that he has feelings for her. I fear they are going to go  the best friend with cancer's boyfriend route with Claire, which is just yuck!!  In a perfect world I would get Shaun and Claire or Jared coming back and Claire realizing she is a fool.  I don't know why I thought I didn't care who they put Melendez with because I find I do not like the idea of him and Lim and I was so underwhelmed with the shirtless scene.  I wanted something more passionate...yeah, I do realize this is a medical show.  Ha Ha. 

I am a little annoyed that they act as if Shaun is just now bothered by florescent lighting.  There were so many things about this episode that did not sit well with me......is Park growing out his hair? It seems Resnick also looks different but I fast forward through a lot of her parts so I could be wrong. 

[Driad]

They might save Lim if it turns out she had a related disease in the past, so she has enough leftover antibodies or something to fight off the new disease.

Glassman looks like a goner but I like Richard Schiff from The West Wing, in which the last seasons did terrible things to his character.  If Glassman lives, he should not be able to be a neurosurgeon again but maybe he could do something less intense at the hospital as a volunteer.  

So I guess I hope he and Lim both survive, unrealistic as it might be.

[vibeology]

50 minutes ago, Blue Plastic said:

I don't like the way they had Sean melt down over the buzzing fluorescent light.  I get that sensory problems are part of autism, but I just don't see how he could get through pre-med and medical school if he can't handle a buzzing light.  What if there's a buzz or other annoying sound in the middle of a surgery he's performing?  They don't seem to be able to decide how severely affected he is.

I assumed that Shawn wasn't bothered by the light alone but was already very stressed by the rest of the situation. He didn't like the light early on but was able to push past that. He only had the melt down after being in quarantine for hours, losing several patients, having his attending get sick, being nearly alone in managing patients, having people screaming and freaking out around him. It's not a great look, but I don't think it's a sign that he can't do his job.

One question I had (and have all the time on this show) is where are the ER doctors? You know, doctors who are certified in emergency medicine and not surgeons? I get that trauma surgeons will consult in the ER and over the holidays or in an emergency will help out, that doesn't mean you'd run an ER without a single ER doctor in sight. Where are the ER residents getting shitty holiday shifts? 

[aemom]

On 2018-12-03 at 11:48 PM, rhys said:

I was silently yelling to Shaun suggesting he ask that room full of people if there was an electrician available to fix that hum.

 

On 2018-12-04 at 2:53 AM, chocolatine said:

I thought the humming caused sensory overload, which has more to do with his autism than any possible infection.

 

On 2018-12-04 at 6:14 PM, preeya said:

Someone, please explain what was going on with Shaun and the lights?

Autistic people often have very sensitive hearing.  To Shaun, that light was buzzing far louder than it would sound to NT people. Basically, it's the equivalent of trying to sleep in a quiet room with a faucet dripping nearby. After a while, it will make you nuts.

You actually wouldn't even need an electrician, you would just have to pop the cover off and pull out the lightbulbs to deactivate the light. I kept expecting him to grab a broom or something and smash it, so good on him for not going that route.

[possibilities]

They just finished having the hospital try to keep Claire because of the optics of losing two POC off the roster in rapid succession. If the show now kills off Lim, it will be 3 in a row. I wish they hadn't put her in jeopardy, but since they have, and any outcome will be a cheap cliche, I am hoping they save her.

[doctor destiny]

2 hours ago, vibeology said:

I assumed that Shawn wasn't bothered by the light alone but was already very stressed by the rest of the situation. He didn't like the light early on but was able to push past that. He only had the melt down after being in quarantine for hours, losing several patients, having his attending get sick, being nearly alone in managing patients, having people screaming and freaking out around him. It's not a great look, but I don't think it's a sign that he can't do his job.

 

I totally agree.  I think the writers are making the point about situation.  In some situations like when my son is at home he quips puns, he is relaxed and we have good conversation.   He's open to new ideas and isn't actually that rigid at all.  Put him in a situation where there are too many sounds and flickering lights and he behaves in a much more rigid way.  He's hard to talk to.  Doing a 36 hour shift in the ER in the previous episode Shaun can forget to eat and not worry.  However in this episode there are hugely more sensory inputs and stress points and he doesn't. like. pickles. with. his. food as per season 1 episode 1 and he wants to eat in a rigid routine.  In any case the trailer for the next show shows Shaun recovering quickly.  

[doctor destiny]

4 hours ago, vavera4ka said:

 

idk if I want Lim to survive or not. 

If she survives it’s that cliche miracle outcome where doctors are super humans with immune system of gods

 

I think after reading the Entertainment Weekly article she is quoted in the answer is: yes of course she survives.  Maybe even Glassman does too.  But at a cost.  People who get SARS often have impaired functionality in their lungs.  The kick-ass surgeon will likely have to face her mortality.  I assume that's what some of her future plots will hold.  They deliberately didn't do a deus ex machina for Glassman.  The idea was to turn the relationship on its head creating personal growth for him and Shaun and to carefully show what its like to lose your status and health and peace of mind.  Similarly, Lim, the risk taking teflon-coated motorcyclist now faces her own recovery.  What will she learn from this? 

[bros402]

3 hours ago, AEMom said:

Autistic people often have very sensitive hearing.  To Shaun, that light was buzzing far louder than it would sound to NT people. Basically, it's the equivalent of trying to sleep in a quiet room with a faucet dripping nearby. After a while, it will make you nuts.

You actually wouldn't even need an electrician, you would just have to pop the cover off and pull out the lightbulbs to deactivate the light. I kept expecting him to grab a broom or something and smash it, so good on him for not going that route.

I hate lights that buzz. We had a lamp in our dining room that was very loud, it recently stopped working - my mom, brother, and I were very happy - my dad's hearing has never been the best (He was an audio visual tech for years, did some loooooud shows in the 80s), now the "loud lamp" is gone.

Shaun could've also just turned off the lights.

[Darkpumpkin]

As someone who has had an extensive history with DVTs and PEs (blood clots), I had to complain to my husband about how laughable it was that Shaun just diagnosed her on the spot and they immediately started heparin on her. That's not how it works at all. I was just in last week with another clot. I brought myself to the ER because I've had enough to recognize the signs: hot to the touch, pain, hardness, etc. Even based on my history and the fact that it was hard to dispute it was a clot, I still had to have an ultrasound doppler to confirm it. I also had to have a contrast dye imaging scan done to make sure I didn't have another PE. They also wouldn't immediately start a central line or heparin infusion like that either.  In fact, starting a central line on that woman could lead to her death since central lines are often very prone to infections and they have this airborne disease running rampant.

[vavera4ka]

11 hours ago, AEMom said:

 I kept expecting him to grab a broom or something and smash it, so good on him for not going that route.

That's what I kept silently suggesting someone would do.

I guess we can write it off to the fact that right now Shaun is surrounded by people who are not very familiar with his ways. I'm sure if Park were inside and his son wasn't suffocating he'd smash that light into tomorrow in order to get Shaun up and running to help him handle the shitstorm developing.

[rubyred]

This episode threw me a little; I wasn't expecting such a somber tone for a mid-season finale. And that tone and pace continued throughout the episode. There were a few "twists" - the Melendez/Lim hookup, which I didn't see coming but found to be surprisingly intriguing. Melendez and Lim are more on a level playing field than Melendez/Claire, so the pairing made sense.  

Amazed that Claire made it through the episode without major DRAMA.

That EMT was getting way too many lines to live. At least it was the best attempt so far at fleshing out Resnick into actual human being status.

Glassman telling Lea she's not as cute as she thinks she is. Was that a wink to the audience? Problem is...Glassman isn't as cute as he thinks he is, either.

Overall, it was a downer. Merry Christmas!

[statsgirl]

18 hours ago, Driad said:

Glassman looks like a goner

The cancer returned but that doesn't mean he's dying soon. For some people, cancer is a chronic rather than an acute condition.

At the least, they'll be trying all sorts of different treatments in the coming months. He's not gone yet.

18 hours ago, vibeology said:

One question I had (and have all the time on this show) is where are the ER doctors? You know, doctors who are certified in emergency medicine and not surgeons? I get that trauma surgeons will consult in the ER and over the holidays or in an emergency will help out, that doesn't mean you'd run an ER without a single ER doctor in sight. Where are the ER residents getting shitty holiday shifts? 

There are never any ER doctors in shows about specialists lest they take away some of the attention. It was always absurd, especially on Grey's Anatomy.

[umgoblue]

On 12/5/2018 at 8:24 PM, vibeology said:

One question I had (and have all the time on this show) is where are the ER doctors? You know, doctors who are certified in emergency medicine and not surgeons? I get that trauma surgeons will consult in the ER and over the holidays or in an emergency will help out, that doesn't mean you'd run an ER without a single ER doctor in sight. Where are the ER residents getting shitty holiday shifts? 

^^^This right here!  Emergency Medicine is a specialty and I was annoyed from the first scene when Lim said she was working a shift in the ER....WTH...is she doubled board-certified in surgery and emergency medicine?..whatever!  I am sure EM docs get annoyed at all the shows that make it seem like any doc can practice emergency medicine.

[bros402]

20 hours ago, Darkpumpkin said:

As someone who has had an extensive history with DVTs and PEs (blood clots), I had to complain to my husband about how laughable it was that Shaun just diagnosed her on the spot and they immediately started heparin on her. That's not how it works at all. I was just in last week with another clot. I brought myself to the ER because I've had enough to recognize the signs: hot to the touch, pain, hardness, etc. Even based on my history and the fact that it was hard to dispute it was a clot, I still had to have an ultrasound doppler to confirm it. I also had to have a contrast dye imaging scan done to make sure I didn't have another PE. They also wouldn't immediately start a central line or heparin infusion like that either.  In fact, starting a central line on that woman could lead to her death since central lines are often very prone to infections and they have this airborne disease running rampant.

Yeah, jeez. They suspected I had a DVT in 2015 and they had to do a whole bunch of tests first. I ended up not having a DVT, luckily.

 

1 hour ago, umgoblue said:

^^^This right here!  Emergency Medicine is a specialty and I was annoyed from the first scene when Lim said she was working a shift in the ER....WTH...is she doubled board-certified in surgery and emergency medicine?..whatever!  I am sure EM docs get annoyed at all the shows that make it seem like any doc can practice emergency medicine.

I think Lim is a Trauma Surgeon? So if she is double certified in emergency medicine, that at least relates a bit.

But didn't she do plastic surgery in a few episodes?

[Hook75]

Melendez and Lim? I was always thinking they are going for him and Claire. I'm disappointed.

[doctor destiny]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, vavera4ka said:

Well Merry F@&$ING Christmas lol

Well on the bright side near the very end they have Shaun resemble Norman Bates in the Fifth Series of Bates Motel.

[TurtlePower]

On 12/4/2018 at 1:49 PM, possibilities said:

Even Shaun's freaking out about his lunch being late struck me as absurd. Surely he's been stuck in a long surgery before, and has had to abandon some of his routines. Unless he turns up with the rash, his behavior was out of character this week, because he's already learned to deal with chaos and disruption, and I'm sure this isn't the first time there's been a fluorescent light buzzing in the hospital (I hate those, too, but no way is it a rarity that one would happen).

Blood sugar of 650 is shockingly high.

As used as Shaun may be to chaos and disruption, unusual things like the outbreak/quarantine and then little things like the late lunch, the hated pickles and the light; they all add up. Then add on people yelling at Shaun, all the noise, he was way overloaded. I saw totally saw it coming, but given the situation, didn't see a way it could have been avoided. 

On 12/5/2018 at 9:27 PM, AEMom said:

Autistic people often have very sensitive hearing.  To Shaun, that light was buzzing far louder than it would sound to NT people. Basically, it's the equivalent of trying to sleep in a quiet room with a faucet dripping nearby. After a while, it will make you nuts.

You actually wouldn't even need an electrician, you would just have to pop the cover off and pull out the lightbulbs to deactivate the light. I kept expecting him to grab a broom or something and smash it, so good on him for not going that route.

THIS! Welcome to my life. I over-hear everything. Once someone called me out of work to find a leak in their tire, which I did without the use of water. My ears have also been borrowed for engine noise and other "abnormal" sounds coming form things. I consider it a gift, actually. 

Edited December 8, 2018 by TurtlePower

[doctor destiny]

3 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

As used as Shaun may be to chaos and disruption, unusual things like the outbreak/quarantine and then little things like the late lunch, the hated pickles and the light; they all add up. Then add on people yelling at Shaun, all the noise, he was way overloaded. I saw totally saw it coming, but given the situation, didn't see a way it could have been avoided. 

THIS! Welcome to my life. I over-hear everything. Once someone called me out of work to find a leak in their tire, which I did without the use of water. My ears have also been borrowed for engine noise and other "abnormal" sounds coming form things. I consider it a gift, actually. 

I also also think he may have been quietly worrying about the results from Glassman's scan which would have added to the stress.  If Shaun interacts with him in the next episode I reckon it will be at the end (after an unexpected triumph) or Glassman will have learned his lesson and straight out lie to him.  I presume Glassman and Lea will be heading to the hospital after this.

[Trini]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:55 PM, rubyred said:

That EMT was getting way too many lines to live. At least it was the best attempt so far at fleshing out Resnick into actual human being status.
 

It really was; but it's not enough for me to forget everything else up to this point.

I did like that they brought in a family member for Park; I'm just sorry his son had to get caught up in all the mid-season finale DRAMA.

[jhlipton]

I hated it.  Just far too depressing and full of suck, with no joy at all.  1/10 at best.

On 12/3/2018 at 8:48 PM, rhys said:

Is Park's kid transitioning?

No.  Park asked him about it (with the assurance that it woud be OK) and the son rolled his eyes and said he just liked the shirt.

On 12/4/2018 at 11:38 AM, Pop Tart said:

Pregnant mom dies from contagion but baby somehow doesn't and dad gets to raise his son?

Spoiler

That's the way it looked it the previews.  Yuck.

[Pink-n-Green]

On 12/5/2018 at 2:12 PM, Trini said:

I'm pretty sure it was her.

OMGosh, that was Happy!!!  Thank you, I was going crazy trying to place her.

[rmontro]

On 12/4/2018 at 10:08 PM, Sophiesyc said:

First episode while eating lunch with Dr.Glassman.

You have a good memory.  For those of us who don't remember every detail from episode one, maybe they could have had Shaun say "Yuck, pickles" or something like that?

Presumably Lea made the sandwich then?  Did they say that, because I don't remember that either?

[theatremouse]

For me, I thought it was pretty clear the camera was focusing on the pickle slice hanging out of the sandwich and he either saw or smelled it or both before tossing it.

[doctor destiny]

On 12/9/2018 at 8:21 PM, jhlipton said:

  ON 12/4/2018 AT 5:48 PM, RHYS SAID:

Is Park's kid transitioning?

--- No.  Park asked him about it (with the assurance that it woud be OK) and the son rolled his eyes and said he just liked the shirt.

Pregnant mom dies from contagion but baby somehow doesn't and dad gets to raise his son?

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That's the way it looked it the previews.  Yuck.

Just about every kid I know including my own knows a friend who is gender fluid these days.  It's quite normal for kids to discuss it and most kids and parents like Park (and me) are cool with it.  I'm having a problem understanding the hysteria around it and so might Park's slightly rebellious son who is giving him grief and enjoying doing so.    

I think it's very likely that the baby survives and the mom dies.  There are cases of SARS where that has happened.

(Sorry about editing.  Still old fogey that I am trying to work around the functions).

[elle]

On 12/9/2018 at 11:21 AM, Pink-n-Green said:

OMGosh, that was Happy!!!  Thank you, I was going crazy trying to place her.

Camille Guaty played Walter O'Brien's sister, Megan.  Happy was played by Jadyn Wong.

[jhlipton]

22 hours ago, doctor destiny said:

1) I'm having a problem understanding the hysteria around it and so might Park's slightly rebellious son who is giving him grief and enjoying doing so.    

2) I think it's very likely that the baby survives and the mom dies.  There are cases of SARS where that has happened.

1) LOL

2) Along with almost every TV show (medical or not) -- got to save the BAAAAAAABYYYYYY; often the mom feels expendable.

[vavera4ka]

17 hours ago, elle said:

Camille Guaty played Walter O'Brien's sister, Megan.  Happy was played by Jadyn Wong.

I remember her from some Disney dance movie. And though I watched Scorpion, my mind went immediately (must be) 15 years back...

[jhlipton]

8 hours ago, vavera4ka said:

I remember her from some Disney dance movie. And though I watched Scorpion, my mind went immediately (must be) 15 years back...

Gotta Kick It Up!???  That's from about the right time....

[maddie965]

Sadly, this show is losing me. This episode might have been the last straw. I was very attracted by the initial idea: a show about an autistic doctor, who must prove he can be a competent surgeon and, at the same time, learn how to navigate the world, with the help of his dedicated mentor. I loved most of the first season, because it followed that path, with some minor deviations. But then the second season came and it seems the writers changed their minds. Instead of a show about one very special doctor, it became a show about a bunch of doctors, with Shaun being just another member of the team. His scenes were reduced. Other doctors gained a lot of space, some of them totally undeserving. There were whole episodes where Shaun barely said a thing, or participated in any surgeries.

But still, I might be able to live with it - if the stories were really good. Instead, TGD is repeating all the tropes of other medical shows: the disasters, the unprofessional or unethical behavior, the competition between residents, the bad medicine, the insistence in mixing personal issues and professional issues. The last one is the worse. I mean, at least in Grey's Anatomy the doctors are inappropriate because they discuss their problems in front of the patients. But here it is much worse, because the doctors discuss the patient's personal problems in front of the patients, all the f****** time!  There are no boundaries, no sense of privacy, no respect for the opinions or the decision of the patients. Like I said on another thread,  it's totally wrong for the doctors to give unsolicited advice to the patients. They should present the facts, and let the patients decide, in private. Instead, they force their opinions on the patients, practically forcing them to take a certain decision, or even going against their wishes. Everyone has been doing that (Lin with the circumcised girl, Park with the mother in distress, Shaun with the betrayed husband etc), but, for me, Claire is the worst, meddling into the patient's lives and always assuming that arrogant look of someone who thinks they know everything. I can't stand that arrogance. Doctors are not Gods, and Claire doesn't know everything. Instead of going behind Melendez's back, she should be learning from him. Park shouldn't be judging every person that he treats. Reznik shouldn't be admonishing parents who don't want vaccination (I'm all for vaccination, but that was the wrong way to do it). Lin shouldn't be doing surgeries against the wishes expressed by a patient. 

Seems to me the authors love the idea that doctors should dictate the patient's lives, and also that there should be a moral lesson in every episode. It's getting old really quickly. Not sure I can stand it any longer. I might give it a try, because I love Shaun and Freddie Highmore. I just hope the writers realize their mistake. Make him the center of the show again. Stop with the moral dilemmas at every single episode. And, for God's sake, let the patients decide their lives, away from the judgemental look of their all-powerful doctors.

Edited December 14, 2018 by maddie965

[catrice2]

On 12/14/2018 at 11:54 AM, maddie965 said:

Sadly, this show is losing me. This episode might have been the last straw. I was very attracted by the initial idea: a show about an autistic doctor, who must prove he can be a competent surgeon and, at the same time, learn how to navigate the world, with the help of his dedicated mentor. I loved most of the first season, because it followed that path, with some minor deviations. But then the second season came and it seems the writers changed their minds. Instead of a show about one very special doctor, it became a show about a bunch of doctors, with Shaun being just another member of the team. His scenes were reduced. Other doctors gained a lot of space, some of them totally undeserving. There were whole episodes where Shaun barely said a thing, or participated in any surgeries.

But still, I might be able to live with it - if the stories were really good. Instead, TGD is repeating all the tropes of other medical shows: the disasters, the unprofessional or unethical behavior, the competition between residents, the bad medicine, the insistence in mixing personal issues and professional issues. The last one is the worse. I mean, at least in Grey's Anatomy the doctors are inappropriate because they discuss their problems in front of the patients. But here it is much worse, because the doctors discuss the patient's personal problems in front of the patients, all the f****** time!  There are no boundaries, no sense of privacy, no respect for the opinions or the decision of the patients. Like I said on another thread,  it's totally wrong for the doctors to give unsolicited advice to the patients. They should present the facts, and let the patients decide, in private. Instead, they force their opinions on the patients, practically forcing them to take a certain decision, or even going against their wishes. Everyone has been doing that (Lin with the circumcised girl, Park with the mother in distress, Shaun with the betrayed husband etc), but, for me, Claire is the worst, meddling into the patient's lives and always assuming that arrogant look of someone who thinks they know everything. I can't stand that arrogance. Doctors are not Gods, and Claire doesn't know everything. Instead of going behind Melendez's back, she should be learning from him. Park shouldn't be judging every person that he treats. Reznik shouldn't be admonishing parents who don't want vaccination (I'm all for vaccination, but that was the wrong way to do it). Lin shouldn't be doing surgeries against the wishes expressed by a patient. 

Seems to me the authors love the idea that doctors should dictate the patient's lives, and also that there should be a moral lesson in every episode. It's getting old really quickly. Not sure I can stand it any longer. I might give it a try, because I love Shaun and Freddie Highmore. I just hope the writers realize their mistake. Make him the center of the show again. Stop with the moral dilemmas at every single episode. And, for God's sake, let the patients decide their lives, away from the judgemental look of their all-powerful doctors.

 

I agree with a lot but not all of what you said. You made some really good points and some of those same things that bother me. And all fairness I think some of the introduction to shaun's character is because Freddie Highmore is getting more involved with writing directing and producing

Edited December 17, 2018 by catrice2

[doctor destiny]

21 hours ago, catrice2 said:

I agree with a lot but not all of what you said. You made some really good points and some of those same things are doing me. And all fairness I think some of the introduction to shaun's character is because Freddie Highmore is getting more involved with writing directing and producing

I agree to a point too.  However, House wasn't in every scene and Hugh Laurie would have fallen over if he were. I also thing there is a fair amount of discomfort about Shaun changing (not necessarily from the OP) but that's OK.  In the past, mental health professionals thought that autistic adults never developed beyond about a mental/emotional age of 14.  No one seemed to care what happened to all those cute block lining up kids when they grew up.  A more nuanced approach has seen researchers, guided by smart autistic adults, completely debunk that.  I have a son who is like Shaun in many ways (hyperlexic, eidetic memory, super smart and his head in the clouds).  My son in his midteens is significantly different than who he was two years ago.  And he will be a very different adult.  In short, Shaun is growing and adapting to the world and that's normal so the storylines can't keep repeating.   Where I do have issues is not treating Shaun enough as a sexual being.  He is a man, not a cute talking kitten as he has been called and the Lea plotline is a cop out given she properly kissed him and then gaslit that.  Also the issue in "Empathy" which has actually hurt the feelings of a number of people in the autism community.  In retrospect that was pretty ironically clumsily handled in a way to show NTs that autistic people are indeed empathetic.  But all in all this is just about my favourite show of all time.  It gives me hope that my son can do what he wants if we can only change the rigid, stupid views of some NTs out there and see his gifts rather than his challenges.  I think Freddie has absolutely nailed the mindset, tics and mannerisms of ASD and I'm grateful to a thoughtful and smart writing team who don't always get it right but often enough for it not to matter to me.  I'm still in.

[SnarkyTart]

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 9:54 AM, maddie965 said:

Sadly, this show is losing me. This episode might have been the last straw. I was very attracted by the initial idea: a show about an autistic doctor, who must prove he can be a competent surgeon and, at the same time, learn how to navigate the world, with the help of his dedicated mentor. I loved most of the first season, because it followed that path, with some minor deviations.

Yes to this. Through most of S1 it was, for me, the best new show in some time. Hoping for a course-correction, I persisted as S1 fell apart.  But it never returned to its original premise,  in fact becoming an entirely new show that I don't particularly enjoy. I let S2 episodes stack up on the DVR and FF through much of it. I almost didn't finish this S2 mid-season finale it was so ghastly.  Not sure if I'll continue watching the rest of S2.  Sad.

[Brown12051]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:55 PM, rubyred said:

Problem is...Glassman isn't as cute as he thinks he is, either.

I think he is - he is adorable.  Of course, going through what he is going through now makes him revert to childhood - that is, teenager-hood, with his loss of his driver's license.  And his recently learning how to yo-yo kind of adds to that process.

I think I first saw Richard Schiff in The West Wing.  Don't remember anything before that.  He was being the wise counselor there, too.  But Glassman's constant resistance here to doing things that he knows he should do is an interesting twist. And Schiff's wife playing Glassman's girlfriend is a great idea for this show. But I hope that he gets back to his mature self again - Shaun still needs him.

Edited December 16, 2018 by Brown12051

[Brown12051]

On 12/14/2018 at 12:54 PM, maddie965 said:

Instead of a show about one very special doctor, it became a show about a bunch of doctors, with Shaun being just another member of the team. His scenes were reduced.

I kind of agree, although it may not be just what this show is doing, almost all procedural dramas tend to include the lives and problems of the characters. 

I agree that what makes this show special should be more showcased, though.  Freddie Highmore is really, REALLY good at playing Dr. Murphy, with all of his talents and problems.  Last week's episode showed how he was able to overcome his fear of driving by comparing its situations with surgery.  He gets so happy when he is able to overcome some difficulty. 

But this past episode had him not quite up to speed, with the light buzzing sabotaging his talent for getting ideas and insights, and with nobody knowing how to deal with this infection-and I think two or three people died of it already.  I hope that the CDC shows up in the spring program - with a cure.

[possibilities]

Shaun can grow. But without him, the show is just a very bland addition to the already worn out genre of medical procedural dramas. So I do think they need to make him more of a focus. It's nice for Highmore if he wants to direct more and act less, but it makes the show kind of boring. I honestly wouldn't be watching if it wasn't a show FEATURING an autistic lead character. If he's backgrounded, there's nothing wrong with the show, but it's no longer anything special and I have other things to do. I agree with developing the other characters. But I still want Shaun to be more than just another face in a crowded ensemble.

[catrice2]

On 12/5/2018 at 9:27 PM, vavera4ka said:

At least we got a shirtless Melendez before all hell broke loose

idk if I want Lim to survive or not. 

If she survives it’s that cliche miracle outcome where doctors are super humans with immune system of gods

If she doesn’t it’s gonna be another cliche plot to throw Melendez onto the nearest compassionate shoulder to cry on. Which is Claire. 

Now, I want Claire and Melendez together but not sure that I want it to go that basic route. 

I am wondering if they only put her in jeopardy for Melendez to realize that he has feelings for her. I fear they are going to go  the best friend with cancer's boyfriend route with Claire, which is just yuck!!  In a perfect world I would get Shaun and Claire or Jared coming back and Claire realizing she is a fool.  I don't know why I thought I didn't care who they put Melendez with because I find I do not like the idea of him and Lim and I was so underwhelmed with the shirtless scene.  I wanted something more passionate...yeah, I do realize this is a medical show.  Ha Ha. 

I am a little annoyed that they act as if Shaun is just now bothered by florescent lighting.  There were so many things about this episode that did not sit well with me......is Park growing out his hair? It seems Resnick also looks different but I fast forward through a lot of her parts so I could be wrong. 

Wow that is strange. It just posted an old comment....

Anyway, I wanted to say that in all fairness Grey's Anatomy was about more than just Meredith Grey, so I did not think the Good Doctor was only going to be about Shaun when they announced such a large ensemble.   After working with Autistic students on many parts of the spectrum, I sometimes get frustrated that they want to give Shaun every single stereotypical thing that has been associated with Autism.  Many of my students were not as rigid about certain things, and not all were bothered about many others.  Some were quite friendly and many gave me some of my best hugs and affection. 

[possibilities]

I don't watch Grey's Anatomy anymore, either. It's not that I think shows need to do what I want. It's just that if they bore me, I don't watch them. And I find this show is not interesting enough, just like GA isn't interesting enough (to me), if it's just another generic drama about doctors, and doesn't have the added dimension of Shaun, who I find interesting.

[doctor destiny]

33 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I don't watch Grey's Anatomy anymore, either. It's not that I think shows need to do what I want. It's just that if they bore me, I don't watch them. And I find this show is not interesting enough, just like GA isn't interesting enough (to me), if it's just another generic drama about doctors, and doesn't have the added dimension of Shaun, who I find interesting.

I would really like to see more illustrations of the way his mind works.  They are implied a lot more now.  Maybe the cost of the new set was just too much.  Or they were trying to move on but lost some people on the way.  I personally would liked to have seen more of his prior life.  

[maddie965]

Yes. I need to see the way his relationship with Glassman evolved, and how he was in college. I think the whole "Glassman is sick" plot has been a huge waste, in what it didn't  help us understand better the relationship between those two. The arc should have been about Shaun and his feelings for his mentor, first and foremost. Instead, we got Glassman mostly isolated, in a whole separate story, lonely and grumpy. While Schiff is always a pleasure to watch, I thik this story has been handled poorly.

Edited December 17, 2018 by maddie965

[Driad]

1 hour ago, maddie965 said:

Yes. I need to see the way his relationship with Glassman evolved, and how he was in college.

I agree.  I wish they had started the story a few years earlier.  Maybe they will do a flashback to college.

[izabella]

21 hours ago, catrice2 said:

I am a little annoyed that they act as if Shaun is just now bothered by florescent lighting.  There were so many things about this episode that did not sit well with me......is Park growing out his hair? It seems Resnick also looks different but I fast forward through a lot of her parts so I could be wrong. 

I can't tell if he might be coming down with the virus, and that's making the buzzing a problem for him whereas it normally isn't.

[chitowngirl]

The buzzing noise is the ballast in fluorescent lights. I’ve noticed it when it happens, but I can also block it out. Shaun can’t, so when crises starts piling up, he can’t shut off the buzzing and deal with things as they are happening. All he can hear is the buzzing.

[Chas411]

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I was underwhelmed by Melendez and  Lim.There really was no making out scene just  waking up and talking about what happened. Melendez tried the Jaime Foxx Blame it on the alcohol...Lim thinks Andrews is so powerful he can make them sleep with each other.....

I felt the same. I think the idea of them was better in theory. Not sure if it was how the scene was written but it just seemed awkward, like two people who got drunk and hooked up but have no real desire or interest in pursuing anything further. 

[possibilities]

But that's another way this show is not Grey's Anatomy. It's not Peyton Place for Doctors.

[ForReal]

On 12/16/2018 at 6:23 PM, catrice2 said:

I don't know why I thought I didn't care who they put Melendez with because I find I do not like the idea of him and Lim and I was so underwhelmed with the shirtless scene.

Melendez and Lim both seemed a little underwhelmed in that shirtless scene as well.