Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None

[BitterApple]

4 minutes ago, MaddyMaeboxerbabe said:

Did she do the 9 month cerificate program?  Or 2 year Associates degree?  In either case I would not consider her a college graduate.

If I'm not mistaken she did a two-year program, however the school was an unaccredited diploma mill. Her "degree" isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Edited March 27, 2017 by BitterApple

[Miss Chevious]

Jenelle is giving herself airs by calling herself a college graduate. She got a certificate of completion for finishing a medical assistant program. The school she went to is not a college, it's not accredited as the previous poster mentioned. She flunked her state board licensing exam the first time around and never did a retake, to my knowledge. So she's not going to being "saving lives" anytime soon.

[Snarky McSnarky]

11 minutes ago, Miss Chevious said:

Jenelle is giving herself airs by calling herself a college graduate. She got a certificate of completion for finishing a medical assistant program. The school she went to is not a college, it's not accredited as the previous poster mentioned. She flunked her state board licensing exam the first time around and never did a retake, to my knowledge. So she's not going to being "saving lives" anytime soon.

I think she's saving lives by staying OUT of the health care business.

[TheRealT]

How log have Jenelle and UBT been together? The article linked above says about a year and half, starting sometime in 2015 and a few months before Ensley was conceived, so I'm thinking late 2015. It seems like he's the one who has put these illusions of grandeur into Jenelle's head, where she thinks she can tell MTV whom to film and chastise them for not deleting negative comments or questions about her on their Twitter feed. She is also suddenly so adamant about wanting Barb to "give Jace back" NOW, which also seems to come from UBT. Before, Jenelle gave lip service to wanting Jace "back" (when was she really parenting him?), but she admitted to having other priorities, so it was always, "I'll get Jace back after I have this baby/finish school/recover from my latest breakup/recover from plastic surgery/get back from spring break/etc./etc./etc." Now, all of a sudden, it's "No one understands how much it hurts for my mom to rip my child away from me!!!" That narrative seems to have come out of nowhere.

The truth of it is, even as fucked up as she is, if Jenelle really prioritized getting Jace "back," it would be relatively easy for her to do so. Maybe not while she was in the throes of heroin addiction, but she's been (relatively) clean and stable for a few years now. She could have moved close to Barb/Jace and started attending his school functions and having him visit regularly and gotten even a part-time job at Walmart (the horror!). That, along with showing up for all the court dates and court-mandated appointments (and not asking for continuances because of the latest breakup/unplanned pregnancy/arrest) would have probably been enough to get custody, especially if she had at least started the process a few years ago when Jace was younger. Instead, she's been back and forth on the custody thing for years until very recently. Even now, is she doing things like going to Jace's parent-teacher conferences, taking him to doctor's/therapist's appointments, getting involved in his extracurricular activities, etc., etc.? She seems to do the weekend visits when it suits her and little else. A mother who was aching to be with her son would jump at the chance to go on his camping trip or whatever rather than flying into a rage when asked to do so.

[SPLAIN]

28 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

How log have Jenelle and UBT been together? The article linked above says about a year and half, starting sometime in 2015 and a few months before Ensley was conceived, so I'm thinking late 2015. It seems like he's the one who has put these illusions of grandeur into Jenelle's head, where she thinks she can tell MTV whom to film and chastise them for not deleting negative comments or questions about her on their Twitter feed. She is also suddenly so adamant about wanting Barb to "give Jace back" NOW, which also seems to come from UBT. Before, Jenelle gave lip service to wanting Jace "back" (when was she really parenting him?), but she admitted to having other priorities, so it was always, "I'll get Jace back after I have this baby/finish school/recover from my latest breakup/recover from plastic surgery/get back from spring break/etc./etc./etc." Now, all of a sudden, it's "No one understands how much it hurts for my mom to rip my child away from me!!!" That narrative seems to have come out of nowhere.

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Actually, Jenelle has been adamant about getting Jace back since season 2. It is her storyline and has been each season with each boyfriend. Nathan was right there being an asshole with Jenelle as they both told Barb about getting Jace back in Jenelle's custody.

45 minutes ago, Miss Chevious said:

Jenelle is giving herself airs by calling herself a college graduate. She got a certificate of completion for finishing a medical assistant program. The school she went to is not a college, it's not accredited as the previous poster mentioned. She flunked her state board licensing exam the first time around and never did a retake, to my knowledge. So she's not going to being "saving lives" anytime soon.

Jenelle is ruining lives each time she gives birth.

[ghoulina]

6 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Actually, Jenelle has been adamant about getting Jace back since season 2. It is her storyline and has been each season with each boyfriend. Nathan was right there being an asshole with Jenelle as they both told Barb about getting Jace back in Jenelle's custody.

It's a cycle with her. When she has a serious boyfriend (most notably the two she more children with), she acts all gung-ho about getting Jace back. When she's single, she's too busy bitching about her ex and leaning on Barb for support and child care. She doesn't want to risk alienating her at that point. 

[SPLAIN]

5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

It's a cycle with her. When she has a serious boyfriend (most notably the two she more children with), she acts all gung-ho about getting Jace back. When she's single, she's too busy bitching about her ex and leaning on Barb for support and child care. She doesn't want to risk alienating her at that point. 

Good ol' Jenelle. She sure flip flops on how she treats her poor mother. Only when it is convenient does she give Barb the time of day. Same with Jace. When she is single, she doesn't have time for him at all. When a new bed-warmer is in her life, she suddenly gets baby fever like Kail, except it is Jace fever.

[lovesnark]

She was trolling Tinder in September of 2015 and met UBT. I believe he was freshly out of being incarcerated somewhere. Moved him in about 8 weeks later and was pregnant by May.

[zenme]

How terrible must Maryssa's mother be that UBT is given full custody?? 

Well, I know this: if you wanna commit crimes, go to North Carolina because it seems that you can do whatever the hell you want, break laws any which way, and you never suffer the consequences. You're free, serve little jail time, if any, and you're able to keep full custody of your kids.  Jenelle getting Jace should be easy peasy.

[TheRealT]

55 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Actually, Jenelle has been adamant about getting Jace back since season 2. It is her storyline and has been each season with each boyfriend. Nathan was right there being an asshole with Jenelle as they both told Barb about getting Jace back in Jenelle's custody.

I know Jenelle has always said she wants Jace back, but I wouldn't describe her previous attitude as adamant. Though she never took responsibility for neglecting Jace to the point that Barbara had to get legal custody or expressed gratitude for Barb helping her and Jace out by doing so, she wasn't all, "OMG, BARB IS THE DEVIL WHO STOLE MY BABY!1!!" She implied that Barb was wrong to take Jace, but she mostly basically conceded that she couldn't/didn't want to have full custody at the moment while claiming to want it later (after whatever she was prioritizing instead was taken care of). When she had a boyfriend who was into the idea of getting Jace back, she made noises about doing so, but inevitably aborted those efforts until after she was done dealing with school, her relationship issues, a new baby, her latest court case, etc., etc., etc.

I see a difference between that and her current stance of insisting that Barb stole Jace, that she's desperate to get him back, that she won't speak to Barb until she gives him back, and that no one else should talk to Barb until she does either. That last bit is indicative of what I'm talking about. If Jenelle had consistently been desperate to get Jace back and doing everything she could to achieve that end (even just in terms of her version of the story), why would she suddenly be so shocked and hurt that MTV, the producers, the rest of the cast, etc. don't see Barb as an evil baby stealer? It's like she woke up one morning and was like, "Wait a minute, why are all you fuckers palling around with the bitch who stole my baby?" She's always had friction with Barb, but I don't remember her shunning Barb for stealing Jace before or suggesting that everyone else should do so. (She did shun Barb for other reasons.)

[SheTalksShit]

30 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

I know Jenelle has always said she wants Jace back, but I wouldn't describe her previous attitude as adamant. Though she never took responsibility for neglecting Jace to the point that Barbara had to get legal custody or expressed gratitude for Barb helping her and Jace out by doing so, she wasn't all, "OMG, BARB IS THE DEVIL WHO STOLE MY BABY!1!!" She implied that Barb was wrong to take Jace, but she mostly basically conceded that she couldn't/didn't want to have full custody at the moment while claiming to want it later (after whatever she was prioritizing instead was taken care of). When she had a boyfriend who was into the idea of getting Jace back, she made noises about doing so, but inevitably aborted those efforts until after she was done dealing with school, her relationship issues, a new baby, her latest court case, etc., etc., etc.

I see a difference between that and her current stance of insisting that Barb stole Jace, that she's desperate to get him back, that she won't speak to Barb until she gives him back, and that no one else should talk to Barb until she does either. That last bit is indicative of what I'm talking about. If Jenelle had consistently been desperate to get Jace back and doing everything she could to achieve that end (even just in terms of her version of the story), why would she suddenly be so shocked and hurt that MTV, the producers, the rest of the cast, etc. don't see Barb as an evil baby stealer? It's like she woke up one morning and was like, "Wait a minute, why are all you fuckers palling around with the bitch who stole my baby?" She's always had friction with Barb, but I don't remember her shunning Barb for stealing Jace before or suggesting that everyone else should do so. (She did shun Barb for other reasons.)

This. I think in the earlier seasons, it was sort of a distant "someday" priority for her. Then Nathan kinda planted the seed and it started to become a higher priority for her, the idea of wanting to settle down with her kids and a husband. And I think that, as time went on, it went from being somewhat of a high priority to her top, #1 priority. 

Edited March 27, 2017 by SheTalksShit

[leighroda]

What I find odd is the recent narrative of "Barb is only keeping Jace away because she wants the MTV fame/money" I just can't imagine how delusional one would have to be to truly believe that.

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, leighroda said:

What I find odd is the recent narrative of "Barb is only keeping Jace away because she wants the MTV fame/money" I just can't imagine how delusional one would have to be to truly believe that.

I am sure it was always something Jenelle claimed about her mom to her many loser boyfriends. It was just edited out. MTV just recently had the fourth wall knocked down, so it wasn't something Jenelle could ever mention on camera before.

I think that is why this whole custody matter seems to be a top priority for Jenelle. She has gone to court before regarding Jace. This is nothing new. She put off hearings in the past because she was too focused on her own drama with her dick of the month and it was that drama that MTV had to focus on. Now, with the fourth wall having been removed it gives MTV more leeway to showcase what couldn't be mentioned before...cash money. It is not only a topic on the show, it has become a story front and center on the reunion. MTV had control over the cast and what they could not mention such as the show itself, the money, anything MTV-related. Things were alluded to, but never was MTV money ever directly mentioned. Now, Jenelle has the freedom to say what she wants.

[leighroda]

That's true... and I think it's telling that she is so adamant about the money... because that's her motive.

[Christina87]

2 hours ago, leighroda said:

What I find odd is the recent narrative of "Barb is only keeping Jace away because she wants the MTV fame/money" I just can't imagine how delusional one would have to be to truly believe that.

I'm not totally shocked, because pretend for a minute that you don't have feelings. It makes no logical sense that barb would want to keep jace, right? The only thing she's getting is money. Jenelle literally cannot fathom the bond and love between them. 

[ReadMeLattice]

5 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

This. I think in the earlier seasons, it was sort of a distant "someday" priority for her. Then Nathan kinda planted the seed and it started to become a higher priority for her, the idea of wanting to settle down with her kids and a husband. And I think that, as time went on, it went from being somewhat of a high priority to her top, #1 priority. 

Gary actually pushed it a lot and she pretended with him a ton and fought with Barb about it, and they'd have on camera convos about "what it would take to get Jace back." Except Gary, unlike Nathan and David, actually seemed to want Jenelle to want Jace as a human being and a mother, instead of the "my manhood is somehow measured by how much I can scream at an older lady" N&D games. Then Kieffer (again) and Courtland came around after Gary and they never seemed to push the Jace issue, so Jenelle didn't try. She just goes along with whatever her current partner's agenda is. 

[toodywoody]

How many bedrooms does her new house have? With all their kids, where do they all sleep? 

[GreatKazu]

This 2015 article mentions Jenelle filing court documents back when she was with Nathan, but something about DV getting in the way and how Jenelle had to postpone the court date because couples counseling was her priority. She was also in school which also resulted in the court matter being pushed aside. Only in Jenelle's world can going to counseling once or twice a week get in the way of going to a court hearing:

Jenelle and her mother, Barbara, had a custody hearing on March 4, 2015, but the case was postponed until the next month. A source told Radar Online, “The April date is just another calendar hearing and that will likely be pushed forward too.” Does the date March 4, 2015 seem familiar in relation to Jenelle? Well, it might be because March 4th was also the day that Nathan was arrested for criminal domestic violence. Us Weekly reports that Jenelle postponed her court date for Jace, so that she could instead attend couples therapy with Nathan.

Another excuse:

“I’m so busy with school and my externship. I’m trying to tell my mom, my lawyer, and everyone, I’m like, ‘Look, I know Jace is important right now, but, you know, my graduation is coming up in July.’ So I mean, that is just, it’s the no. 1 priority right now.” With the case postponed and Jenelle making these kinds of statements, it’s hard to tell what’s going on. Jenelle has since graduated from technical school, but there has yet to be a resolution to this custody situation.

But, she has time to go on Tinder, start a new relationship, take vacations, and then bring another baby into her fucked up world.

http://www.teenmomjunkies.com/teen-mom-2-2/evans-custody-quagmire/

This 2015 article also mentions how Jenelle once tweeted and deleted (story of her life) how Chelsea and Kail are not nice to her.

I hate Jenelle.

Edited March 28, 2017 by GreatKazu

[toodywoody]

I think that yes Barb was busy as a parent and trying to keep the bills paid but I also believe that Jenelle was a spoiled brat. And still is. Her fake crying about Jace is just that. She needs to stop being selfish. She can never put down her fucking phone long enough to show any attention to any of her kids. Since Barb has Jace in activities Jenelle and her sister and brother were probably also. So Barb was working and paying the bills and running her kids around. So sorry the game of yahtzee traumatized poor Jenelle but it seems everything and everyone does. Jenelle needs to grow the fuck up and deal with life instead of blaming her mom or having David deal with it for her. She was a fucking loser when the show started and still is. Nothing has changed except she has money now because she has always thought her shit didnt stink. 

[kicksave]

23 hours ago, jadecorleone said:

And if I remember correctly, she failed the state board exams and hasent retaken them.

For the love of god, Jenelle needs to stop saying she went to "college"!!!!!!!!!!! She went to a two year certificate program! She did not go to a four year baccalaureate university or college! No Jenelle, you did not go to Harvard or Princeton or even the Univ. of North Carolina...just stop...please stop.

Edited March 28, 2017 by kicksave

[kicksave]

Last night's finale was a typical Dr. Drew spin on Jenelle's "new and improved life"..."She's in pain" "She doesn't mean what she's saying" "She's is better, right?" .... no admonishment about the foul mouthed temper tantrums that she directs at her mother, in front of Jace and also at the MTV producers and crew. Jenelle fake crying and continual pity party was pathetic...waa waa waa...I'm a victim and everyone but David is victimizing me. Tell me why David did not come on the stage to defend Jenelle and walked out of the show?? Yeah...he's some piece of work. Her crocodile tears (or lack thereof...I did not see tears rolling down her cheeks) were a bad bit of acting. I've come to the conclusion that Jenelle is a sociopath and basically a spoiled brat who needs to get her way on everything and if she doesn't she has adult sized F bomb laden tantrums that can become violent. When her "dream" relationship with this big doofis ends badly and it will, she'll be running back to Barb for support like she always does when the proverbial s**t hits the fan.

She has obviously hired a social media specialist to put positive Instagrams and other social media postings because there seems to be gushing happy clappy stuff being posted on tabloid websites and Instagram. Kailyn has done that also. I wonder why Jace was the only kid there last night?

[BitterApple]

11 minutes ago, kicksave said:

 I wonder why Jace was the only kid there last night?

The general consensus is Barb had nobody back home to watch him. If they were only in L.A. for a couple of days, it probably wasn't worth it for the other girls to drag the kids along. 

[ghoulina]

23 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

Good ol' Jenelle. She sure flip flops on how she treats her poor mother.

Maybe THAT'S why she always had those ceramic flipflops hanging on her wall.

[CofCinci]

7 hours ago, toodywoody said:

How many bedrooms does her new house have? With all their kids, where do they all sleep? 

It's a modular so it most likely wouldn't have more than 4 bedrooms.  I'm curious as to how the bedrooms are assigned.  I'm sure they have one bedroom as an office (again, modulars are limited on space so I doubt there is an office), one is for the baby, one for those two fucks to make more babies, and then all the random kids piled into another room?  Bunk beds?

[leighroda]

1 hour ago, kicksave said:

For the love of god, Jenelle needs to stop saying she went to "college"!!!!!!!!!!! She went to a two year certificate program! She did not go to a four year baccalaureate university or college! No Jenelle, you did not go to Harvard or Princeton or even the Univ. of North Carolina...just stop...please stop.

It's not even 2 years, medical assisting is a 9 month program ?.

[SPLAIN]

22 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Maybe THAT'S why she always had those ceramic flipflops hanging on her wall.

Bwahahahaha

[Snarky McSnarky]

8 hours ago, toodywoody said:

How many bedrooms does her new house have? With all their kids, where do they all sleep? 

The kids' room:

[CofCinci]

5 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

The kids' room:

Might as well get them used to orange at an early age.

 

Ewww.  Do they not realize that David will beat her in that "Clayton Home"?

Edited March 28, 2017 by CofCinci

[MissMel]

I would imagine it's a three bedroom with a little nook area in the master.  Jack and Jill rooms in the back, master on the other end.  The nook is perfect for a crib/toddler bed until it's time to kick the kid out into the boys or girls room.  Then the nook becomes a smoke room.  A couch and table to roll on and maybe a desk, too.  

Or maybe a 5 bedroom http://claytonfay.com/available-floorplans/29BSP28724RH/VectorInteractiveFloorplan#  (click the five bedroom option on the left to see that floorplan)

Edited March 28, 2017 by MissMel

[Adiba]

If it weren't for the fact that Jace would suffer, I almost wish Jenelle would get full custody of him so that she could see how hard things would be without Barb to hand him off to. She gets a break from Kaiser when he goes to Nathan's. Now with Ensley, an infant, to take up her time, she really would be hard pressed to have the time to deal with Jace and his adjustment to a new living situation.  Add in David's daughter ( and possibly son?) and I can see Jenellee getting stressed out very quickly.

[zenme]

Hopefully her Clayton Home has a panic room for Jace.

[kicksave]

1 hour ago, Adiba said:

If it weren't for the fact that Jace would suffer, I almost wish Jenelle would get full custody of him so that she could see how hard things would be without Barb to hand him off to. She gets a break from Kaiser when he goes to Nathan's. Now with Ensley, an infant, to take up her time, she really would be hard pressed to have the time to deal with Jace and his adjustment to a new living situation.  Add in David's daughter ( and possibly son?) and I can see Jenellee getting stressed out very quickly.

She has never taken full care of her kids...she drops them off at daycare or at David's relatives  and of course, Barb. Jenelle taking care of four kids full time will be a disaster unless she is able to farm the kids out to various and sundry people. 

4 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

The kids' room:

Ha ha!!! LMAO!!

[kicksave]

On March 27, 2017 at 6:15 PM, TheRealT said:

I know Jenelle has always said she wants Jace back, but I wouldn't describe her previous attitude as adamant. Though she never took responsibility for neglecting Jace to the point that Barbara had to get legal custody or expressed gratitude for Barb helping her and Jace out by doing so, she wasn't all, "OMG, BARB IS THE DEVIL WHO STOLE MY BABY!1!!" She implied that Barb was wrong to take Jace, but she mostly basically conceded that she couldn't/didn't want to have full custody at the moment while claiming to want it later (after whatever she was prioritizing instead was taken care of). When she had a boyfriend who was into the idea of getting Jace back, she made noises about doing so, but inevitably aborted those efforts until after she was done dealing with school, her relationship issues, a new baby, her latest court case, etc., etc., etc.

I see a difference between that and her current stance of insisting that Barb stole Jace, that she's desperate to get him back, that she won't speak to Barb until she gives him back, and that no one else should talk to Barb until she does either. That last bit is indicative of what I'm talking about. If Jenelle had consistently been desperate to get Jace back and doing everything she could to achieve that end (even just in terms of her version of the story), why would she suddenly be so shocked and hurt that MTV, the producers, the rest of the cast, etc. don't see Barb as an evil baby stealer? It's like she woke up one morning and was like, "Wait a minute, why are all you fuckers palling around with the bitch who stole my baby?" She's always had friction with Barb, but I don't remember her shunning Barb for stealing Jace before or suggesting that everyone else should do so. (She did shun Barb for other reasons.)

She doesn't really want him...she's using the getting Jace back card as a way of sticking it to Barb. Jenelle is a vindictive, spiteful, selfish POS.

[Christina87]

I wonder what happens when she gets jace and starts leaving him with random criminals, and he begs for barb. What would she do then? Try to poison him against her?

[FairyDusted]

yes

[bethster2000]

Nathan is by far not a perfect person, he has as many issues as Time magazine...

...but I don't believe for a second that he is an "unfit parent" to Kaiser.  If I had to choose between Janelle Krenwinkel and Nathan to care for my kids, I can tell you who I would choose every time.

[CofCinci]

6 minutes ago, bethster2000 said:

Nathan is by far not a perfect person, he has as many issues as Time magazine...

...but I don't believe for a second that he is an "unfit parent" to Kaiser.  If I had to choose between Janelle Krenwinkel and Nathan to care for my kids, I can tell you who I would choose every time.

Kaiser is the least safe around David.  I wish Nathan would get his shit together because his son is high-risk for abuse.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16263983/?i=3&from=/11927705/related

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11927705/

[TheRealT]

5 hours ago, kicksave said:

She doesn't really want him...she's using the getting Jace back card as a way of sticking it to Barb. Jenelle is a vindictive, spiteful, selfish POS.

Yes. Not excusing Jenelle AT ALL, I still think UBT is behind this sudden charge to pull out all the stops to get custody of Jace NOW. UBT is obviously very controlling and I think he has some kind of complex because he was barred from seeing his own kid(s), so he's super adamant about bio parents having inalienable rights to their kids and into the idea of him getting custody of/adopting/being a wonderful primary caregiver to other people's kids while (ironically! unfairly!) being denied the opportunity to parent his own kids full-time. He also seems to think that they will be able to cut Barb out of the show if they get custody of Jace and that that will somehow 1) punish Barb and 2) present Jenelle and UBT in a better light (and maybe get them more money).

I was struck by Jenelle's professed reason for not letting Barb see Kaiser- that she couldn't let him spend the night at Grandma's house because Grandma might not give him back. Jiggawhat? Did Barb "steal" Jace when he came over for a sleepover? The horror! How could she do that to her own daughter?!?!

What's interesting is that Jenelle can't even fake being a decent parent/human being when she's obviously intent upon doing so for the the cameras. The scene when she took Jace outside the restaurant to "comfort" him was obviously intended to show how Barb was just as horrible a parent to Jace as she was to Jenelle and how great Jenelle is with Jace, but it was just disturbing. Jenelle was lying to him, indirectly endorsing his inappropriate behavior, and intentionally undermining his sole parent/primary caregiver. She doesn't give a fuck about Jace and she's really not capable of giving a fuck about anyone but herself and her dick of the month.

3 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

Nathan is by far not a perfect person, he has as many issues as Time magazine...

...but I don't believe for a second that he is an "unfit parent" to Kaiser.  If I had to choose between Janelle Krenwinkel and Nathan to care for my kids, I can tell you who I would choose every time.

Yeah. I actually found myself being Team Nathan during the reunion, which is... surprising. Jenelle and UBT are just that vile, though. Even if he was lying, I thought it was HILARIOUS that Nathan wound UBT up with the story about Jenelle comparing their penis sizes (and very telling that UBT took the bait). As far as the bullshit with Jenelle being so outraged that Kaiser allegedly spent nights with Nathan's mom, 1) Since when does Jenelle have a problem with her kids being left with other people? (whether they're relatives or not) Who was taking care of Kaiser AND HER NEWBORN while she was in LA for a week for the reunion? Who was watching her kids when she went on numerous vacations and/or took time off because she was so stressed? 2) Nathan has revealed that he suffers from PTSD (and possibly other things) due to his time in the military. It's really shitty of Jenelle, who also suffers from mental illness (though it seems she's not getting treatment) to shame him for his struggles or suggest that he shouldn't be in his son's life because of them. If Nathan is having a hard time and relies on his mom to help him with Kaiser, that's actually appropriate and healthy. Kaiser would be better off if Jenelle got a healthier adult to help her with him when she's "stressed out" rather than throwing him into a crib with raw hotdogs or whatever.

[toodywoody]

16 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

The kids' room:

This is funny as shit and just as I imagined. if David and Jenelle stay together for a little longer she will end up pregnant again, since you know she isnt on any birth control or her birth control will cause her to see spots, fly into rages, pop out babies,  have rabies, have a hemorrhoid,  stubbed toe and a hang nail. 

I don't want Jenelle to get custody of Jace and worry if she does since he has been diagnosed with what, I can't remember,  but you know that will make it even worse and she will be too busy to make sure he is taking his medicine or see signs that he is struggling. Taking him away from Barb is going to hurt him further because of that stability that he needs. With her moods, head in the phone and Davids controlling ways, Jace does not stand a chance with him. I know everyone has already said all that. 

And as for Kaiser and Jenelle saying how unfit Nathan is, she has always cried that about anyone that isn't her. Even though she never gets her head out of her phone to tend to her kids. I love how her Instagram pictures always show David holding the baby and how she is in pictures of boob lifters or teeth whitening bullshit but never holding or playing with the kids. 

[GreatKazu]

8 hours ago, TheRealT said:

Yes. Not excusing Jenelle AT ALL, I still think UBT is behind this sudden charge to pull out all the stops to get custody of Jace NOW. UBT is obviously very controlling and I think he has some kind of complex because he was barred from seeing his own kid(s), *snip* 

He also seems to think that they will be able to cut Barb out of the show if they get custody of Jace and that that will somehow 1) punish Barb and 2) present Jenelle and UBT in a better light (and maybe get them more money).

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For sure they will get more money. We know MTV pays money when a new boyfriend/girlfriend is brought onto the show. We also know the kids get paid for their screen time which is why suddenly Maryssa is on the show with Jenelle and UBT.  We concluded Maryssa's mother has dollar signs in her eyes and allowed UBT to have her in his care anytime they film so they can get her MTV money.  Jenelle has those same dollar signs. If Jace were given back to Jenelle, she'd get Jace's pay cut. Right now Barb gets it, rightly so. It is all about sticking it to Barb. What better way to get rid of Barb than to get Jace back and on top of that get more money.

Jenelle is the one who instigates these power struggles with Barb because it is the first thing she tells her new dick upon meeting them. Normal people talk about their jobs, their hobbies, their likes and dislikes in general. Jenelle tells her boyfriend how Barb has been a major asshole to her and won't give her back her son. The boyfriends are being fed this information and soon they get sucked into Jenelle's vortex.  Seeing that UBT is a controlling bastard, and is only about acquiring as much as he can, just like con-man Matt, he will push this agenda and succeed.

 

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What's interesting is that Jenelle can't even fake being a decent parent/human being when she's obviously intent upon doing so for the the cameras. The scene when she took Jace outside the restaurant to "comfort" him was obviously intended to show how Barb was just as horrible a parent to Jace as she was to Jenelle and how great Jenelle is with Jace, but it was just disturbing. Jenelle was lying to him, indirectly endorsing his inappropriate behavior, and intentionally undermining his sole parent/primary caregiver. She doesn't give a fuck about Jace and she's really not capable of giving a fuck about anyone but herself and her dick of the month.

It was truly bothersome because she is clearly playing up to the cameras. Jenelle projects her thoughts such as claiming how for Barb it is all about money. No, you stupid broad, it is YOU who wants Jace because you want his money.

One thing about what Jenelle was telling Jace in that unseen moment was how she claimed Barb didn't want to see her succeed. She said Barb thought she wouldn't finish school, but she did. Bullshit! In the Reunion Madness special that just aired a few weeks back, there was a flashback scene at one of the reunions (the one where Jenelle is dressed like Judy Jetson) and it showed Barb was complimenting Jenelle on her education and how she made the dean's list. She said she knew Jenelle could succeed.

I hate, HATE how Jenelle and UBT straight up lie about Barb.

Edited March 29, 2017 by GreatKazu

[toodywoody]

Why even say that to your son about his grandmother at the age of 7? Keep that shit to yourself. She is trying everything in her power to turn Jace against Barb.

[lovesnark]

51 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

For sure they will get more money. We know MTV pays money when a new boyfriend/girlfriend is brought onto the show. We also know the kids get paid for their screen time which is why suddenly Maryssa is on the show with Jenelle and UBT.  We concluded Maryssa's mother has dollar signs in her eyes and allowed UBT to have her in his care anytime they film so they can get her MTV money.  Jenelle has those same dollar signs. If Jace were given back to Jenelle, she'd get Jace's pay cut. Right now Barb gets it, rightly so. It is all about sticking it to Barb. What better way to get rid of Barb than to get Jace back and on top of that get more money.

Jenelle is the one who instigates these power struggles with Barb because it is the first thing she tells her new dick upon meeting them. Normal people talk about their jobs, their hobbies, their likes and dislikes in general. Jenelle tells her boyfriend how Barb has been a major asshole to her and won't give her back her son. The boyfriends are being fed this information and soon they get sucked into Jenelle's vortex.  Seeing that UBT is a controlling bastard, and is only about acquiring as much as he can, just like con-man Matt, he will push this agenda and succeed.

 

It was truly bothersome because she is clearly playing up to the cameras. Jenelle projects her thoughts such as claiming how for Barb it is all about money. No, you stupid broad, it is YOU who wants Jace because you want his money.

One thing about what Jenelle was telling Jace in that unseen moment was how she claimed Barb didn't want to see her succeed. She said Barb thought she wouldn't finish school, but she did. Bullshit! In the Reunion Madness special that just aired a few weeks back, there was a flashback scene at one of the reunions (the one where Jenelle is dressed like Judy Jetson) and it showed Barb was complimenting Jenelle on her education and how she made the dean's list. She said she knew Jenelle could succeed.

I hate, HATE how Jenelle and UBT straight up lie about Barb.

I'm sitting next to you on the hate them couch. When Barb said UBT started texting her horrible things from the get go, I felt like I had steam coming out of my ears. Saying she's too old to raise Jace and that having osteoporosis made her unfit just highlights their ignorance. I was glad that Sad Panda DID shoot down Jenelle's ridiculous osteoporosis argument and actually laughed at her. I wish Barb would have brought up Jenelle's seeing molecules mystery illness and told her Kaiser shouldn't have been in her care and she should have never gotten pregnant with Endtable while she was so gravely ill. 

Nathan fed into Jenelle's hatred of Barb but UBT has taken it to another level. Both of them are disgusting and anyone with half a brain can see that Jace is nothing more to them than a tool to hurt Barb and a way to make more money. PLEASE, MTV, pull the plug on these beasts! If the show was cancelled or Jenelle was fired, neither of these assholes would give Jace a second thought. They'd be too busy trying to scrape up a house payment and doing paperwork for food stamps.

Edited March 29, 2017 by lovesnark

[GreatKazu]

25 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

Why even say that to your son about his grandmother at the age of 7? Keep that shit to yourself. She is trying everything in her power to turn Jace against Barb.

You are correct. It should never be said, but sadly, we know this is the shit this kid is being fed on a regular basis. I just had to point out how Jenelle (again) tells her child all of these lies when there is footage that proves otherwise. 

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I'm sitting next to you on the hate them couch. When Barb said UBT started texting her horrible things from the get go, I felt like I had steam coming out of my ears. Saying she's too old to raise Jace and that having osteoporosis made her unfit just highlights their ignorance.

That pissed me off!!! So glad Drew defended people in general being able to parent even though they have medical issues. One of the many reasons I hate those two. I am sure Barb is just informing Jenelle of her health issues as any parent would, but Jenelle is so fucking evil, she uses it against her mother. Jenelle wants Barb to not refer to her past drug use, but Jenelle has no problem throwing her mother's health issues in her face.

I re-watched the popcorn episode again yesterday and I caught something I missed the first time. Barb told UBT she had mentioned to Jenelle about the popcorn contest "the other day" (paraphrasing) but Jenelle didn't respond. I think Barb was referring to that moment when she dropped off Jace and Jenelle just sat on the couch as she ignored her. I am already pissed off at that heifer bitch for saying "I don't care" in response to the popcorn contest being mentioned, but it really infuriates me that Jenelle was already told TO HER FACE, about the contest and she still had not done anything about promoting it by the time the drop-off scene occurred.

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[lovesnark]

Barb (or anyone) isn't allowed to say a word about past behavior. Really, the only thing that's changed about Jenelle is she's not using heroin. Everything else is exactly the same. She still has the emotional maturity of a 14 year old, she's still lazy as fuck, she still can't go for more than a week without a guy, she still goes into a rage whenever someone says something she doesn't want to hear, she still blames every fuck up on someone else, she still needs to be surrounded with drama 24/7, she's still spiteful and vengeful, nothing at all has changed since she was on 16 and pregnant. Except more poor children have been selfishly brought into her hateful world.

[TheRealT]

I forgot to mention my favorite Jenelle revelation from the reunion: she is actually this calm, easy-going person who never gets upset except when Nathan and Barb bother her. Also, she can't stand to cry in front of people. Jenelle is loath to cry in front of people unless she's really, really upset (like she was at the reunion about Barb keeping Jace from her). And Jace and Maryssa are calm like her and and UBT. She and UBT, who have multiple arrests for violent crimes.

I was gobsmacked at the complete lack of self-awareness. We've been watching Jenelle bawl her eyes out in front of anyone and everyone and on TV for 7 years. We've also been watching her fly off the handle and/or dissolve into hysterics over every. single. difficulty. she's ever faced. And those difficulties are mostly her dick of the month being mean to/ignoring her; getting arrested/prosecuted for crimes she's committed; being asked to get off the couch to pick up/drop off her son; her kids seeking her attention; her mom trying to talk to her about anything; or the TV show that pays her 6 figures a year having the audacity to try to film her.

Yet she seems to really think she can fool people into thinking she's a normal, stable person in a great relationship with a great guy. I wonder whether she really believes it. I know that her idea of a great relationship is one in which the cops aren't called regularly to break up their fights, so maybe she really thinks that what she and UBT have is equivalent to "normal" people's idea of a good relationship? Her reaction to SmallPenisGate wasn't consistent with a woman who feels secure in her relationship or whose partner is stable, but I guess that she might see that kind of stuff as UBT really caring about her and feel that them being together for over a year without him beating her up (too badly) is a major achievement.

[lovesnark]

4 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

I forgot to mention my favorite Jenelle revelation from the reunion: she is actually this calm, easy-going person who never gets upset except when Nathan and Barb bother her. Also, she can't stand to cry in front of people. Jenelle is loath to cry in front of people unless she's really, really upset (like she was at the reunion about Barb keeping Jace from her). And Jace and Maryssa are calm like her and and UBT. She and UBT, who have multiple arrests for violent crimes.

I was gobsmacked at the complete lack of self-awareness. We've been watching Jenelle bawl her eyes out in front of anyone and everyone and on TV for 7 years. We've also been watching her fly off the handle and/or dissolve into hysterics over every. single. difficulty. she's ever faced. And those difficulties are mostly her dick of the month being mean to/ignoring her; getting arrested/prosecuted for crimes she's committed; being asked to get off the couch to pick up/drop off her son; her kids seeking her attention; her mom trying to talk to her about anything; or the TV show that pays her 6 figures a year having the audacity to try to film her.

Yet she seems to really think she can fool people into thinking she's a normal, stable person in a great relationship with a great guy. I wonder whether she really believes it. I know that her idea of a great relationship is one in which the cops aren't called regularly to break up their fights, so maybe she really thinks that what she and UBT have is equivalent to "normal" people's idea of a good relationship? Her reaction to SmallPenisGate wasn't consistent with a woman who feels secure in her relationship or whose partner is stable, but I guess that she might see that kind of stuff as UBT really caring about her and feel that them being together for over a year without him beating her up (too badly) is a major achievement.

This. I commented earlier about Useless Drew not pointing out that her behavior (the screaming, arguing, fake crying and phone calls) was NOT the behavior of a stable person. It would have been great to have a montage of her screaming and raging at the dozens of people other than Barb or Nathan that we've seen over the years and her being a raging bitch to the producer and the film crew. 

[toodywoody]

2 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

You are correct. It should never be said, but sadly, we know this is the shit this kid is being fed on a regular basis. I just had to point out how Jenelle (again) tells her child all of these lies when there is footage that proves otherwise. 

That pissed me off!!! So glad Drew defended people in general being able to parent even though they have medical issues. One of the many reasons I hate those two. I am sure Barb is just informing Jenelle of her health issues as any parent would, but Jenelle is so fucking evil, she uses it against her mother. Jenelle wants Barb to not refer to her past drug use, but Jenelle has no problem throwing her mother's health issues in her face.

I re-watched the popcorn episode again yesterday and I caught something I missed the first time. Barb told UBT she had mentioned to Jenelle about the popcorn contest "the other day" (paraphrasing) but Jenelle didn't respond. I think Barb was referring to that moment when she dropped off Jace and Jenelle just sat on the couch as she ignored her. I am already pissed off at that heifer bitch for saying "I don't care" in response to the popcorn contest being mentioned, but it really infuriates me that Jenelle was already told TO HER FACE, about the contest and she still had not done anything about promoting it by the time the drop-off scene occurred.

She didnt care because she only cares about herself and her very important emails she is always responding to on her phone. She didnt care because she never even heard what Barb said because she never listens to anything she says. She hates her mother so much that as soon as Barb opens her mouth the music goes on and Jenelle never hears a damn thing. She also didnt care because she really doesn't and doesnt care about how well Jace could have done on the fundraiser because it had nothing to do or benefit her and it would require she get off her ass and be a parent or human being and we all know that will never happen because she wants to continue to blame Barb for every fight and everything. When it is her. Barb tries time and again and ever since her 16 and Pregnant show she's been a piece of shit and hasnt changed at all just as lovesnark said. 

Edited March 29, 2017 by toodywoody

[CaliforniaLove]

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And Jace and Maryssa are calm like her and and UBT. She and UBT, who have multiple arrests for violent crimes.

Yeah, and since they are so "calm", "Jace & Maryssa took a bit to warm up to each other, but once they did, now they get in to trouble! *giggle* *giggle*"

Funny, I thought Jace was the epitome of the PERFECT ANGEL when he's at Jenelle's, unlike when he's at Barb's?? Lie, lie, lie ya both LIE! 

[druzy]

https://twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso/status/847146138545283072

This is so funny- it's about David. I don't know how to insert it into post so you don't have to click on it.

*It uses profanity so keep the speakers down if you are at work or around the kids- sorry @ghoulina!

Edited March 29, 2017 by druzy

[BitterApple]

Jace and Maryssa are wise beyond their years. I have a feeling Maryssa's been through the same revolving door of step-daddies and step-mommies that Jace has and has zero fucks to give at this point. I can see both of them having the mentality of "why should we bother becoming besties when this mess will implode in a year and we'll never see each other again?". They're way too jaded for such young children.