Lisa Vanderpump: Pink is her Favorite Color

[ElDosEquis]

Lisa and Brandi 'friendship'?

 

Lisa knew that BG was a loose/truth cannon - better yet? A mad dog. LVP thought that the safest place would be holding on to BG's leash.

 

When you hold the leash to a wild dog, everyone else is safe - you aren't.

 

Instead of tying that leash to a fence and walking away, she kept a firm hold on it and brandi turned on her.  VP tried her hand a being a 'bitch-whisperer' and

failed - hence her line about not being into 'bitches'?

[Umbelina]

My take is this, in shorthand.

 

Lisa knew VPR was on the brink of being approved, Bravo AND Lisa saw or heard about the interview with Scheana about being upset that the man she was cheating with was cheating on her.  She was an actress of sorts.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheana_Marie She was also close friends with Lisa's daughter, and according to Lisa on reunion shows, close to Lisa as well, not a mere employee.  Now, Lisa hired her at some point, and I saw the dang date and can't find it anymore.  However, if anyone can find the first time she worked for Lisa that would be good.

 

So they went after the woman scorned, who only had one thing to really offer RHBH, and that was her relationship to Lisa's new co-star on the upcoming show.  Other than that, though she became a fan favorite for quite a while, she simply didn't fit into this cast.  Not rich, no big house porn, no real money.  She did have a famous ex, and a tawdy story behind her divorce though, but most of all?  The Scheana connection between Brandi/Lisa/self, and a bit of reflected fame/riches with Leann Rimes.

 

So Brandi comes on, and since they don't want it to be obvious, they get Adrienne to tell some BS story of how she knows Brandi, and let Adrienne introduce her, they also try to say Brandi knew Cedric (which yeah, no, she may have met him on a shoot, but that was it.)

 

Does Brandi know the score about introducing VPR via Scheanan, debatable, but likely.  She agrees to ONE meeting, coincidentally, it airs the same night VPR launches, and garners that crossover story Bravo wanted. 

 

Here is where it gets tricky.  Did Lisa actually like Brandi?  I think Brandi liked Lisa, but was Lisa simply "playing chess" or did she appreciate talking to someone who wasn't used to the HW games, and was more of a no-bullshit person, not to mention, had a sense of humor?  I think it was both, they did grow to like each other, but Lisa ALWAYS had her eye on the bottom line, which was her new show. 

 

Why?  Because if Lisa actually did like Brandi as a friend, and not a pawn, she would have never blindsided her with subsequent RHBH scenes with Scheana.  A friend wouldn't do that.  So why did she?  Either she suspected that Brandi wouldn't show up for anymore scenes with her husband's mistress, OR, Lisa and Bravo wanted the shock value.  Again, I suspect both.

 

Brandi gets pissed, and stupidly befriends Kyle.  Talk about out of the viper's pit into the lion's den!  Kyle and Yolanda both talk about how Lisa used Brandi, and it gets Brandi even more riled up.  She disintegrates, playing too much on her early fandom, and acting like a fool, even though, in THIS CASE, she was probably right.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

The notion that Brandi's sit down with Scheana was a malicious design by Lisa to victimize Brandi is ridiculous.

 

If Lisa was manipulating the situation to benefit her, Brandi if she were smart would have seized the opportunity to come out like a gracious cheated on woman. She didn't. That is on her.

 

I am so over these half brained twits blaming LisaV for being half brained twits. Also over detractors using those half brained twits' whines to support their agendas.

[Umbelina]

The first appearance had NOTHING to do with "victimizing Brandi."  It had everything to do with launching her new show.  Brandi needed the money of RHBH, she knew the score on that one.  The other blindsides were dirty pool, IMO, and those are the ones that really ticked off Brandi.

 

By the way, Pandora was also a bridesmaid for Scheana and Lisa paid for the booze at her wedding.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2711000/Scheana-Marie-dons-unique-two-piece-gown-wed-Michael-Shay-100k-extravaganza.html

Edited March 21, 2016 by Umbelina

[WireWrap]

My take is this, in shorthand.

 

Lisa knew VPR was on the brink of being approved, Bravo AND Lisa saw or heard about the interview with Scheana about being upset that the man she was cheating with was cheating on her.  She was an actress of sorts.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheana_Marie She was also close friends with Lisa's daughter, and according to Lisa on reunion shows, close to Lisa as well, not a mere employee.  Now, Lisa hired her at some point, and I saw the dang date and can't find it anymore.  However, if anyone can find the first time she worked for Lisa that would be good.

 

So they went after the woman scorned, who only had one thing to really offer RHBH, and that was her relationship to Lisa's new co-star on the upcoming show.  Other than that, though she became a fan favorite for quite a while, she simply didn't fit into this cast.  Not rich, no big house porn, no real money.  She did have a famous ex, and a tawdy story behind her divorce though, but most of all?  The Scheana connection between Brandi/Lisa/self, and a bit of reflected fame/riches with Leann Rimes.

 

So Brandi comes on, and since they don't want it to be obvious, they get Adrienne to tell some BS story of how she knows Brandi, and let Adrienne introduce her, they also try to say Brandi knew Cedric (which yeah, no, she may have met him on a shoot, but that was it.)

 

Does Brandi know the score about introducing VPR via Scheanan, debatable, but likely.  She agrees to ONE meeting, coincidentally, it airs the same night VPR launches, and garners that crossover story Bravo wanted. 

 

Here is where it gets tricky.  Did Lisa actually like Brandi?  I think Brandi liked Lisa, but was Lisa simply "playing chess" or did she appreciate talking to someone who wasn't used to the HW games, and was more of a no-bullshit person, not to mention, had a sense of humor?  I think it was both, they did grow to like each other, but Lisa ALWAYS had her eye on the bottom line, which was her new show. 

 

Why?  Because if Lisa actually did like Brandi as a friend, and not a pawn, she would have never blindsided her with subsequent RHBH scenes with Scheana.  A friend wouldn't do that.  So why did she?  Either she suspected that Brandi wouldn't show up for anymore scenes with her husband's mistress, OR, Lisa and Bravo wanted the shock value.  Again, I suspect both.

 

Brandi gets pissed, and stupidly befriends Kyle.  Talk about out of the viper's pit into the lion's den!  Kyle and Yolanda both talk about how Lisa used Brandi, and it gets Brandi even more riled up.  She disintegrates, playing too much on her early fandom, and acting like a fool, even though, in THIS CASE, she was probably right.

Lisa has no control over who production uses on the BH show, none at all. It was BH production that kept using Scheana on BH, not Lisa. It had gotten to the point that Lisa would make Scheana stay in the kitchen. Why would Brandi continually go to SUR when she knew Scheana was working when the cameras were absent if she was soooooo bothered seeing her, because that is exactly what she did! LOL

 

As soon as Yolanda entered the picture, she kept telling Brandi that Lisa was treating her like a child because Lisa tried to get Brandi to slow down on her drinking both on and off camera and for Brandi to start thinking about her own reputation in a town/atmosphere where ones reputation can either open or close doors and Brandi liked Yolanda supporting her despite Yolanda saying that "there is nothing worse that a drunk woman". I guess that only applies when you can't use that drunk woman to exact some sort of revenge on a friend of your ex husband.

 

Lisa is not some Svengali that forces her fellow HWs to do her bidding and the other HWs are not innocent sheep to the slaughter either. LOL 

[Umbelina]

Who said she was? 

 

I think she was a pragmatic, and somewhat cold-hearted business person about using Brandi, not a Svengali.  As far as Lisa not knowing, and not collaborating with Bravo on this method of launching, and getting viewers for VPR?  Please!

HA!

 

ETA, I like Lisa, but to me, this was all as obvious as a train coming down the tracks.ET

 

ETA again

 

These women are whole people to me, sometimes angels, sometimes devils, mostly somewhere in between.  I don't see them as all bad, or all good, and it's those "in between" places that I find the most interesting. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by Umbelina

[WireWrap]

Who said she was? 

 

I think she was a pragmatic, and somewhat cold-hearted business person about using Brandi, not a Svengali.  As far as Lisa not knowing, and not collaborating with Bravo on this method of launching, and getting viewers for VPR?  Please!

HA!

VPR was already a done deal when Brandi was hired, not after but before. You place so much blame on Lisa but what about Brandi? Brandi knew where Scheana worked, she knew that Lisa was her boss and she knew that Lisa was a BHHW before she auditioned for the show. You see nothing sneaky about that? Because I see it as calculating, very calculating of Brandi. And again, why did Brandi frequently go to SUR off camera where Scheana worked when she claimed that Lisa was "forcing" Scheana in her face? It seems to me that it was Brandi using Lisa to extract her revenge on Scheana in addition to punishing Lisa for not firing Scheana even though doing that could have led to a wrongful termination lawsuit against Lisa/Ken/partners.

 

No one forced Brandi to do the sit down with Scheana, she got paid to do it and she came out of it looking like an adult woman getting her life on track. She blew it, big time, all on her own! LOL

Edited March 21, 2016 by WireWrap

[Umbelina]

I'm not "placing blame" on either of them.  I'm trying to look at the facts.

 

Both have good points, both have faults in this whole thing.  It's rarely an "either / or" for me, and there is almost never a "villain / innocent" when I look at any of these women, certainly not overall, each situation is distinct, and all have shades of "she's right" or "that's wrong" for me.  In general, I avoid black/white and look for the grays, because not only do I find it more realistic?  I find it much more interesting.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Umbelina

[Vicky8675309]

I'm not "placing blame" on either of them.  I'm trying to look at the facts.

 

Both have good points, both have faults in this whole thing.  It's rarely an "either / or" for me, and there is almost never a "villain / innocent" when I look at any of these women, certainly not overall, each situation is distinct, and all have shades of "she's right" or "that's wrong" for me.  In general, I avoid black/white and look for the grays, because not only do I find it more realistic?  I find it much more interesting.

 

Unless it is Kyle or Faye:-) lol

[zoeysmom]

My take is this, in shorthand.

 

Lisa knew VPR was on the brink of being approved, Bravo AND Lisa saw or heard about the interview with Scheana about being upset that the man she was cheating with was cheating on her.  She was an actress of sorts.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheana_Marie She was also close friends with Lisa's daughter, and according to Lisa on reunion shows, close to Lisa as well, not a mere employee.  Now, Lisa hired her at some point, and I saw the dang date and can't find it anymore.  However, if anyone can find the first time she worked for Lisa that would be good.

 

So they went after the woman scorned, who only had one thing to really offer RHBH, and that was her relationship to Lisa's new co-star on the upcoming show.  Other than that, though she became a fan favorite for quite a while, she simply didn't fit into this cast.  Not rich, no big house porn, no real money.  She did have a famous ex, and a tawdy story behind her divorce though, but most of all?  The Scheana connection between Brandi/Lisa/self, and a bit of reflected fame/riches with Leann Rimes.

 

So Brandi comes on, and since they don't want it to be obvious, they get Adrienne to tell some BS story of how she knows Brandi, and let Adrienne introduce her, they also try to say Brandi knew Cedric (which yeah, no, she may have met him on a shoot, but that was it.)

 

Does Brandi know the score about introducing VPR via Scheanan, debatable, but likely.  She agrees to ONE meeting, coincidentally, it airs the same night VPR launches, and garners that crossover story Bravo wanted. 

 

Here is where it gets tricky.  Did Lisa actually like Brandi?  I think Brandi liked Lisa, but was Lisa simply "playing chess" or did she appreciate talking to someone who wasn't used to the HW games, and was more of a no-bullshit person, not to mention, had a sense of humor?  I think it was both, they did grow to like each other, but Lisa ALWAYS had her eye on the bottom line, which was her new show. 

 

Why?  Because if Lisa actually did like Brandi as a friend, and not a pawn, she would have never blindsided her with subsequent RHBH scenes with Scheana.  A friend wouldn't do that.  So why did she?  Either she suspected that Brandi wouldn't show up for anymore scenes with her husband's mistress, OR, Lisa and Bravo wanted the shock value.  Again, I suspect both.

 

Brandi gets pissed, and stupidly befriends Kyle.  Talk about out of the viper's pit into the lion's den!  Kyle and Yolanda both talk about how Lisa used Brandi, and it gets Brandi even more riled up.  She disintegrates, playing too much on her early fandom, and acting like a fool, even though, in THIS CASE, she was probably right.

Scheana moved over to SUR in  July of 2011, filming began in April of 2012 for Vanderpump Rules.  Prior to SUR Scheana worked with Ariana and Tom at Villa Blanca-and Cedric back in 2010.

 

For Brandi Season 5 to pretend that she just found out about Lisa knowing the connection between Brandi and Scheana is laughable.  Brandi knew, Cedric knew and LVP and Ken knew and it made for a great segue into the introduction. 

[Umbelina]

Unless it is Kyle or Faye:-) lol

About Faye?  Probably true.  I have yet to find one single time when I've liked her, everything about her is repellent to me, from her plastic surgery, to her books, to her atrocious decorating.  Then again, she's only a "friend of" and not a housewife.  If I ever find something about her that I like, I'll say it.

 

About Kyle?  Not true.  I've complimented her appearance numerous times, said she had a great figure, but doesn't usually dress for it.  I remember specifically commenting on how absolutely adorable she looked dressed down, in jeans and that white shirt, and again at home in a simple T shirt and jeans, as well as the few times she's worn something good when dressed up.  I also have sympathized with her many times about her upbringing, and mentioned it must have been especially tough for her to be in those tender teen years when the mobster was with her mother, and it was all over the press about his arrest and then trial.    I recently complimented her twice IIRC.

 

Once on remaining friends with her first husband as far as their daughter was concerned, since that is so important for kids.

Once on saying that maybe mom wasn't right about keeping their secrets, which I felt was a breakthrough.

There have been other times as well.

 

Basically, I don't think any of these women is always on the right side, or always wrong.  Usually it meets somewhere in the middle.  Faye perhaps, hasn't been around often enough to have the opportunity, but that's for a different thread.  From what I've seen and read of her though?  I doubt I would ever like her, that doesn't mean she couldn't be right in certain situations though. 

[Diane Mars]

Regarding the Scheana / Brandi / Lisa story, have a look here : http://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules/season-4/uncensored !

[motorcitymom65]

Quote from motorcitymom65 from the first look thread:

I don't think it was LVP who turned on Brandi first. I know LVP did admit to distancing herself from Brandi because of Brandi's public antics, however, Brandi and Yolanda were already going after LVP behind the scenes before tampongate. Joyce revealed that they were going after her from the beginning of he season, and Brandi was also choosing to film one on one scenes mainly with Yolanda before the tampon incident (e.g. the trip to Sacramento).

We'll never know what really happened between the two of them but I've suspected two things as contributing to Brandi turning on LVP. One is Yolanda, and I think this might be the biggest factor. I thought it was pretty clear from the beginning of season three that Yolanda did not like LVP. I remember being surprised because I had assumed due to their connection to Mohammed that they were already friendly, although through comments made by Mohamed in later seasons (e.g. LVP is the best person he knows or something to that effect) I think maybe Yolanda wasn't happy about the relationship between her ex and LVP. My suspicion was confirmed when Yolanda bad mouthed LVP on camera, and when Kyle revealed at the reunion there was more stuff said off camera as well. I think that as Yolanda and Brandi grew closer, Yolanda started making talking negatively about LVP to Brandi, who I'm sure was also expressing her own annoyances with LVP. This brings me to the second factor. Scheana. I think Brandi was pissed off that Scheana was portrayed so positively on VPR and that LVP seemed to hold her in high esteem. There may have been other issues as well and I'm sure she and Yolanda talked about them. Given that they were already talking negatively about LVP behind the scenes at the beginning of season four, I suspect they had already decided to take LVP down before season four started filming.

Also, Brandi's reasons for agreeing to do a sit down with Scheana undoubtedly had less to do with LVP and more to do with Bravo. Whatever Brandi is, she was always willing to do whatever Andy and the producers wanted her to do, or what she thought they wanted her to do, except keep her mouth shut in interviews, of course. It's why Andy was so fond of her. She would have done that sit down with Scheana even if LVP was her mortal enemy if Bravo or Andy asked her to and I'm sure they did.

I've posted here about an encounter I had with Reality TV producer right after S4 ended. I met her at a cocktail party while I was working in LA. She doesn't work for this show, but several of her friends do, and she has met all the HW's. She was defending the idea that there is any real producer manipulation - that they tell them what to say. She specifically talked about Tampongate as an example.

It happened in the first half of the season, and it was the hope that this would become part of the narrative, since it was rare drama happening in real time during filming. The thing was, even though it was being openly discussed by all, no one would say a word about it when the cameras were rolling. She said the more interesting thing was the way that one event - never mentioned on the show (Joyce later mentioned it at the reunion) - that dramatically changed the relationships on the show. She wouldn't use names, but said that "one" HW who had been very close to Brandi on and off camera visibly pulled away from her. Not when the cameras were rolling, but when they were not. Suddenly they were not arriving together, joking in the corner, laughing with each other. Brandi was stressed and emotional right after. People were calling her all kinds of names on social media, and folks were urging Eddie to file for full custody. She said that one HW in particular, who had not been close to Brandi, suddenly became protective and worried about her. It became the thing with the cast with some becoming offended by the way Brandi was being dismissed by someone she had been close to before, when it looked as if she was in trouble.

I can only assume LVP was the one to pull away and Kyle was the one to become protective. Brandi mentioned in one blog that she saw a different side to Kyle; that would babysit for her on occasions when she was in a bind, and was kind to her in a way others had not been.

I think the thing is that LVP didn't want to be seen as someone who moved away from Brandi. She didn't to it on camera, and denied 3 times at the reunion that she had done this. Everyone there knew she was lying because they had seen it with their own eyes, and of course Ken walked out and admitted to it later. This was the reality for all of them when they were filming. It lent credibility to Brandi's claims about magazines in a suitcase, because they knew that LVP was willing to lie quite easily when it suited her.

Brandi has always been the same and they were all victims to an extent, while at the same time using her as well. When she feels ignored she lashes out. As she said, when hurt, she will "cut a bitch". She did it to Adrienne when she stopped returning her calls. She ran to LVP with private conversations to get back at Adrienne. When LVP started to cut her out, she ran to Kyle with more private stuff. She played Kyle the best. Reminding her of Kyle's own claim that LVP was manipulative, of the things she had said about K&M using a Vanderpump/Todd friendship for profit. She knew that Kyle longed for a friendship with LVP again and did what she could to stop it. The problem was she couldn't stop it. Despite what Kyle knew, she was willing to forgive LVP. The thing was, Kyle didn't discard Brandi, yet Brandi still turned on her viciously because she was angry about losing LVP to her. She is a sad, desperate soul. Which doesn't mean that in some cases she wasn't treated poorly. I absolutely believe that LVP bringing Scheana around when she knew Brandi didn't want that was such an occasion.

Edited March 21, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I can only assume LVP was the one to pull away and Kyle was the one to become protective

 

 

How cold hearted of LisaV

 

How sweet of Kyle.

[motorcitymom65]

How cold hearted of LisaV

 

How sweet of Kyle.

I'm not sure if either is true. They both no doubt had their reasons for doing whatever it is they did. Some pure/some not pure. I never saw what Kyle did as particularly sweet (although it might have been). I think she was also very happy to have Brandi - that gal LVP threw her over for - come to her and confirm things that Kyle had said before. I think she overlooked Brandi's vile personality at one point because it made her feel vindicated. I think she cozied up to Brandi for many of her own selfish reasons, much like LVP did before. In some ways I think Kyle was the one more in the wrong because she should have known better; she had seen it all before. I think my point is that there was much more than met the eye that season; many more underlying dynamics at play. It wasn't as simple as everyone decided to "gang up" on LVP. Per usual, LVP was just very, very good at keeping her work private. Being one person in front of the camera and another behind the camera. That particular season the gals had just had enough of it. 

 

I don't think I will ever get over the fact that so many don't hold LVP accountable for denying that she pulled away from Brandi. She said it over and over again - insulted at the very thought of such a thing. She was passionate in her own defense. Said it during the season, then over and over again at the reunion. How does this not make people question her, when such a central plot to the show was disproven by her very own husband? Not 5 minutes after her last denial, he walks out and said that "yes", they had both made the decision that they needed to pull away from her based on her behavior. What, no follow-up questions to LVP about from Andy about this? He just let it go. There are some things on the show that are big deals, and some that are minor. IMO, this is one of the biggest, because it was such a huge deal to LVP - that people not believe she would move away from Brandi. How does anyone ever listen to a word she says again and not remember that huge lie? 

Edited March 21, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[zoeysmom]

I'm not sure if either is true. They both no doubt had their reasons for doing whatever it is they did. Some pure/some not pure. I never saw what Kyle did as particularly sweet (although it might have been). I think she was also very happy to have Brandi - that gal LVP threw her over for - come to her and confirm things that Kyle had said before. I think she overlooked Brandi's vile personality at one point because it made her feel vindicated. I think she cozied up to Brandi for many of her own selfish reasons, much like LVP did before. In some ways I think Kyle was the one more in the wrong because she should have known better; she had seen it all before. I think my point is that there was much more than met the eye that season; many more underlying dynamics at play. It wasn't as simple as everyone decided to "gang up" on LVP. Per usual, LVP was just very, very good at keeping her work private. Being one person in front of the camera and another behind the camera. That particular season the gals had just had enough of it. 

 

I don't think I will ever get over the fact that so many don't hold LVP accountable for denying that she pulled away from Brandi. She said it over and over again - insulted at the very thought of such a thing. She was passionate in her own defense. Said it during the season, then over and over again at the reunion. How does this not make people question her, when such a central plot to the show was disproven by her very own husband? Not 5 minutes after her last denial, he walks out and said that "yes", they had both made the decision that they needed to pull away from her based on her behavior. What, no follow-up questions to LVP about from Andy about this? He just let it go. There are some things on the show that are big deals, and some that are minor. IMO, this is one of the biggest, because it was such a huge deal to LVP - that people not believe she would move away from Brandi. How does anyone ever listen to a word she says again and not remember that huge lie? 

I don't think LVP was ganged up Season 4.  The beginning of Season 4 it is very clear that LVP is trying to destroy Kyle.  From the end of Season 3 until the lunch at her home where she declared, once again, Mauricio friendships were all about listings.  That is when I saw Yolanda step back a little.  Yolanda didn't like Kyle but I think right about then she needed to get some clarity as to why. (oh the damn Lyme brain).  Right about then Yolanda decided to try and influence Joyce into disliking LVP and it kind of backfired. To me Season 4 was not LVP's finest moment-she was on three reality shows-an early exit from Dancing with the Stars, was about the only story line she could not control.

 

I always thought pre-tampon incident, that LVP was getting tired of Brandi, first after the ass she made of herself in Palm Springs, and I do believe the the next to last straw was the ill-conceived take Joyce and Michael down at a dinner at SUR.  There was just no way LVP could back a mangy dog like Brandi any longer.  By the time the boxing scene rolled around (the day after the tampon incident) Brandi was snarking on both LVP and Kyle.  Right about that time Yolanda who was just as much a part of both scenarios.  Final straw was when Brandi, consciously picked Yolanda over LVP to be in the Sacramento Gay Pride celebration.  To me, LVP never forgot that, and between the two LVP was obviously far more qualified than Yolanda (who has zero interest in Gay Rights).  SO yeah, LVP could deny pulling away from Brandi but Brandi had just bitten the hand that fed her for the last time.

[WireWrap]

 

 

I always thought pre-tampon incident, that LVP was getting tired of Brandi, first after the ass she made of herself in Palm Springs, and I do believe the the next to last straw was the ill-conceived take Joyce and Michael down at a dinner at SUR.  There was just no way LVP could back a mangy dog like Brandi any longer.  By the time the boxing scene rolled around (the day after the tampon incident) Brandi was snarking on both LVP and Kyle.  Right about that time Yolanda who was just as much a part of both scenarios.  Final straw was when Brandi, consciously picked Yolanda over LVP to be in the Sacramento Gay Pride celebration.  To me, LVP never forgot that, and between the two LVP was obviously far more qualified than Yolanda (who has zero interest in Gay Rights).  SO yeah, LVP could deny pulling away from Brandi but Brandi had just bitten the hand that fed her for the last time.

Brandi was also chaffing from Lisa trying to "mother her" as she kept saying over and over again to Yolanda. I do think Lisa tried to help Brandi and Brandi didn't want her advice/help so Lisa started to pull back but, IMO, Brandi had already pulled away from Lisa when Lisa stepped back. The shift in alliances between Lisa/Brandi to Brandi/Yolanda happened in Paris, the season before IMO. That is also where/when the Brandi/Kim/Yolanda alliance began despite the poop pillow incident.

[motorcitymom65]

I don't think LVP was ganged up Season 4.  The beginning of Season 4 it is very clear that LVP is trying to destroy Kyle.  From the end of Season 3 until the lunch at her home where she declared, once again, Mauricio friendships were all about listings.  That is when I saw Yolanda step back a little.  Yolanda didn't like Kyle but I think right about then she needed to get some clarity as to why. (oh the damn Lyme brain).  Right about then Yolanda decided to try and influence Joyce into disliking LVP and it kind of backfired. To me Season 4 was not LVP's finest moment-she was on three reality shows-an early exit from Dancing with the Stars, was about the only story line she could not control.

 

I always thought pre-tampon incident, that LVP was getting tired of Brandi, first after the ass she made of herself in Palm Springs, and I do believe the the next to last straw was the ill-conceived take Joyce and Michael down at a dinner at SUR.  There was just no way LVP could back a mangy dog like Brandi any longer.  By the time the boxing scene rolled around (the day after the tampon incident) Brandi was snarking on both LVP and Kyle.  Right about that time Yolanda who was just as much a part of both scenarios.  Final straw was when Brandi, consciously picked Yolanda over LVP to be in the Sacramento Gay Pride celebration.  To me, LVP never forgot that, and between the two LVP was obviously far more qualified than Yolanda (who has zero interest in Gay Rights).  SO yeah, LVP could deny pulling away from Brandi but Brandi had just bitten the hand that fed her for the last time.

I agree it is more than likely the tampon deal was just the final straw. That LVP was already growing weary of Brandi and worried about damage she might cause, which is completely understandable. The thing is, for whatever reason LVP went out of her way to not let this get out. She was laughing along with Brandi and her racist rant. What better time to distance yourself from someone than at that point? Certainly at the SUR dinner she seemed to be more on Brandi's side than on Joyce's side. I think LVP was just trying to figure out how to play it. Brandi was still extremely popular at that point (when they were filming).  It was hard to know when S4 began who was more loved - LVP or Brandi. I think that LVP intended to pretend to be close to Brandi for the season, then to see how the public reacted at the end, as per her usual. She could always flip at the reunion. She didn't want it to look on camera like she was pulling away, because what if the audience picked Brandi? It worked out perfectly because she didn't really have to make a choice. Brandi made her usual aggressive moves and LVP was able to look like a victim instead. What started as the rockiest of seasons for LVP ended with her most victorious one. 

[Giselle]

Brandi was also chaffing from Lisa trying to "mother her" as she kept saying over and over again to Yolanda. I do think Lisa tried to help Brandi and Brandi didn't want her advice/help so Lisa started to pull back but, IMO, Brandi had already pulled away from Lisa when Lisa stepped back. The shift in alliances between Lisa/Brandi to Brandi/Yolanda happened in Paris, the season before IMO. That is also where/when the Brandi/Kim/Yolanda alliance began despite the poop pillow incident.

And went from one "mother" to another. I remember Yoyo gifted Brandi with heeled sandals because she behaved as a good little girl while in Paris.

[RealHousewife]

I think Mohamed's tweet was in support of Lisa for 2 reasons. 1, in his tweet he repeated exactly what she said he told her. 2, he chastised Yolanda for talking about their children in a public restaurant (I suspect it was code for exposing his kids health ON camera though) then add in that he filmed with Lisa (barn scene) within a few weeks of her making the comment at Kyle's BBQ. In fact, so far, the only HW he has filmed with this season has been Lisa. LOL

Lisa was polite to Faye. She may have complained to Kyle about her but she was in fact polite to her face and I suspect that was more for the show than anything else, they couldn't have Kathryn be the only one that didn't like Faye, there had to be another HW tied in to it. Even when LisaR tried to stir up trouble between Lisa/Faye, Lisa was polite and let it go.

 

As someone already posted, Mo "chastised" Lisa, not Yolanda. It appears he didn't want to go into details about the children, responded with "they're fine," and Lisa interpreted that as the children not being sick.

 

And Lisa went on and on about Faye afterwards. I think she even realized it as well and said she didn't want to be called a grudge holder! lol

 

As far as talking about the kids, Lisa admitted made a mistake when initially answering Kyle, but I do think Yolanda was overly sensitive. I don't think Lisa ever meant to put the kids in a bad light or harm them. She did indeed defend Bella last season. So I'm not saying I'm 100% on either housewife's side in this issue, just pointing out that even men can only take so much. And I can totally see men getting offended by the same stuff the women get offended by.

 

I like a lot about Lisa. I think she's a good person at heart, a VERY beautiful woman, smart, funny, and charismatic. Love her relationship with Ken, her love of pink, her work ethic, all she does for the homeless, animals, gay rights, etc. 

 

However, I would not trust her if I were another housewife as I think she puts the show above her friendships with any of the women. And I think that's why she's had issues with so many of them. They think of her as a genuine friend, not just a cast member. So it's hurtful when she starts to grill them about their pasts, asking how their husbands are in the sack, making comments about tabloid stories and stuff.

 

Basically, to my initial post, I think the housewives do at times have legit reasons to be frustrated with Lisa. I don't see these petty women pitbulls going against a subdued, gentle soul who does nothing but run her restaurants and live her life on reality TV who's so above it all that she's a man! 

Edited March 21, 2016 by RealHousewife

[RHJunkie]

From what I've seen to date, I don't think Lisa is as manipulative as people make her out to be. Her behavior seems pretty consistent. She prods people to discuss their issues (so does Eileen) but it's also something that Lisa does herself. If she hears something through the grapevine that's about her or something of her own curiousity, she asks the question. It does get her in trouble though. When they brought up the example of her constantly asking Rinna if the bipolar comments didn't bother her, Lisa gave an answer right away as to why she did that and it makes total sense. That's exactly Rinna's personality - we see it in action with her issues with Yolanda right now. Lisa asks more personal questions to those she doesn't seem to have an existing relationship with. I guess you can interpret that as her putting the show above friends by trying to expose such personal details (which aren't that personal as they are documented and issues that the girls have seemingly brought up in some capacity in some way or another) or you can see that as her getting to know the others.

 

I think her biggest flaws are that she is doesn't take the time to read people. She has one direct, open approach and when that approach is taken the wrong way she gets offended. I know people criticize how she interacted with Eileen that night - I honestly wouldn't have been offended by that discussion if I were in Eileen's shoes but I completely respect the fact Eileen's right to feel uncomfortable by it.

 

I understand that it can be hurtful if someone is trying to misconstrue what you felt was good intent on your part but what Lisa fails to compute is that it's okay if people don't always embrace her approach. Simply say 'I'm sorry for making you feel uncomfortable as that wasn't my intent and I'm glad you told me so that I can be more mindful of that in the future'.

[ElDosEquis]

From what I've seen to date, I don't think Lisa is as manipulative as people make her out to be. Her behavior seems pretty consistent. She prods people to discuss their issues (so does Eileen) but it's also something that Lisa does herself. If she hears something through the grapevine that's about her or something of her own curiousity, she asks the question. It does get her in trouble though. When they brought up the example of her constantly asking Rinna if the bipolar comments didn't bother her, Lisa gave an answer right away as to why she did that and it makes total sense. That's exactly Rinna's personality - we see it in action with her issues with Yolanda right now. Lisa asks more personal questions to those she doesn't seem to have an existing relationship with. I guess you can interpret that as her putting the show above friends by trying to expose such personal details (which aren't that personal as they are documented and issues that the girls have seemingly brought up in some capacity in some way or another) or you can see that as her getting to know the others.

 

I think her biggest flaws are that she is doesn't take the time to read people. She has one direct, open approach and when that approach is taken the wrong way she gets offended. I know people criticize how she interacted with Eileen that night - I honestly wouldn't have been offended by that discussion if I were in Eileen's shoes but I completely respect the fact Eileen's right to feel uncomfortable by it.

 

I understand that it can be hurtful if someone is trying to misconstrue what you felt was good intent on your part but what Lisa fails to compute is that it's okay if people don't always embrace her approach. Simply say 'I'm sorry for making you feel uncomfortable as that wasn't my intent and I'm glad you told me so that I can be more mindful of that in the future'.

BINGO!!!!

LVP doesn't have the 'depth' of a person who is interested in being your friend?

She's part of the shenanigans that the group participates in but is quick to tsk-tsk and distance herself from the group's behavior when it may reflect badly upon her.

 

After all, she is a Brit and can't be associated with such boorish behavior?

 

LVP doesn't share in a conversation, she asks questions - much like an inquisition - and doesn't bother to share or contribute anything about her past. Then, she throws farts at you in a talking head clip where she judges what you said to her and says something like "she doesn't understand (your) behavior/actions".

 

By flying above the fray and NOT opening up about anything in her personal life, she thinks that it makes her a cut above the rest of the group...

[RHJunkie]

BINGO!!!!

LVP doesn't have the 'depth' of a person who is interested in being your friend?

She's part of the shenanigans that the group participates in but is quick to tsk-tsk and distance herself from the group's behavior when it may reflect badly upon her.

 

After all, she is a Brit and can't be associated with such boorish behavior?

 

LVP doesn't share in a conversation, she asks questions - much like an inquisition - and doesn't bother to share or contribute anything about her past. Then, she throws farts at you in a talking head clip where she judges what you said to her and says something like "she doesn't understand (your) behavior/actions".

 

By flying above the fray and NOT opening up about anything in her personal life, she thinks that it makes her a cut above the rest of the group...

 

I'm not really saying that at all. She has flaws but I don't see them as being manipulative. I see it as someone who doesn't follow social cues well. Speaking from experience, I am someone that often asks a lot of questions to people I'm getting to know. I read people well enough to dip my toes in and I take cues from what people are willing to share. I start with a conservative boundary and depending on the reception of that person and what I feel is a mutual comfort between the two of us, those boundaries become wider (this is something that LVP lacks and I think is the basis for her misunderstandings with people). I don't ask questions to be nosy, I ask questions because I think it's one of the ways I truly get to know someone. I don't come from a place of bad intent in the least. On the other hand, I am not someone who willingly will talk about myself or my life or personal experiences (unless someone is confiding in me and I can use my own experience to provide advise, reassurance or lessons learned). I'm not that way because I want to know everything about everyone while remaining a mystery to people. I'm like that because I feel that if people really want to know, they will ask questions just as I ask them questions. I realize that not everyone thinks like that but when a question is asked to you, it is not a foreign concept that you are allowed to reciprocate with the same or similar question. If you forego your option to ask me questions, then I won't take offense to that, but I also wouldn't expect someone to throw that back in my face. 

 

LVP has a self-deprecating humour about herself - if she's always referring to herself in a non-serious manner, why would anyone expect her to randomly and willingly offer the most intimate parts of her experiences and feelings without any prodding?

 

And there is absolutely nothing Lisa has said to any other woman that she hasn't said to their face. The only contrary incident I can think of is Brandi's claim that LVP told her to take the tabloid magazine about Maricio's affair with her on their trip yet the person that was with both of them couldn't support Brandi's story.

Edited March 22, 2016 by RHJunkie

[ElDosEquis]

I'm not really saying that at all. She has flaws but I don't see them as being manipulative. I see it as someone who follow social cues well. Speaking from experience, I am someone that often asks a lot of questions to people I'm getting to know. I read people well enough to dip my toes in and I take cues from what people are willing to share. I start with a conservatory boundary and depending on the reception of that person and what I feel is a mutual comfort between the two of us, those boundaries become wider (this is something that LVP lacks and I think is the basis for her misunderstandings with people). I don't ask questions to be nosy, I ask questions because I think it's one of the ways I truly get to know someone. I don't come from a place of bad intent in the least. On the other hand, I am not someone who willingly will talk about myself or my life or personal experiences (unless someone is confiding in me and I can use my own experience to provide advise, reassurance or lessons learned). I'm not that way because I want to know everything about everyone while remaining a mystery to people. I'm like that because I feel that if people really want to know, they will ask questions just as I ask them questions. I realize that not everyone thinks like that but when a question is asked to you, it is not a foreign concept that you are allowed to reciprocate with the same or similar question. If you forego your option to ask me questions, then I won't take offense to that, but I also wouldn't expect someone to throw that back in my face. 

 

LVP has a self-deprecating humour about herself - if she's always referring to herself in a non-serious manner, why would anyone expect her to randomly and willingly offer the most intimate parts of her experiences and feelings without any prodding?

 

And there is absolutely nothing Lisa has said to any other woman that she hasn't said to their face. The only contrary incident I can think of is Brandi's claim that LVP told her to take the tabloid magazine about Maricio's affair with her on their trip yet the person that was with both of them couldn't support Brandi's story.

 

There were years where I was the only man in an office filled with women and I have to say that I learned how to, what not to and when to talk to people.

 

There is a deft dance that people enter into when they start to chat, either it turns into a wonderful ball room dance or people end up stepping on each other's toes.

The key is to size up your partner, when to lead, not to get stepped on or get out of the way. Then there is a conversation or a bullshit session.

 

LVP is a straight bullshit artist, her 'self deprecating humor' is akin to watching a comedian doing a show and laughing at all their own jokes - If you are going to amuse yourself, stay at home and tell your jokes while you look in the mirror. YOU think you are funny, what does your audience believe?  It's her phony, forced laugh at the end of her 'jokes' that make her sound insincere and just plain annoying.

I started off thinking that she was a classy woman, but that's just a put-on?

[thewhiteowl]

I really do not think "manipulative" means what these women think it means. If Lisa says they should do or say something, they still have the option. She is not tricking anyone or forcing them that I have seen. YMMV

[RHJunkie]

Well what does her audience think? You are only one of her audience. I'm positive I can find others who would disagree with your sentiments or opinions about her intent or her humour. It's all subjective really and depends on the personality of the person that's doing the 'judging'. I don't think any of the women are inherently bad - they are flawed (as are all of us) but it's Lisa's flaws that are getting the spotlight these past two seasons.

 

In my eyes, Kenya Moore is the poster child for a deceptive bullshit artist who combines her hypocrisy with condescending speech as if no one else in the room is smart enough to understand her or her tactics. By comparison, all of these women have better qualities that outweigh the bad for me.

 

And if we want to go the bullshit route, any one of these women that claim to be manipulated by anyone else did so because it benefitted their own agenda. Whether it was getting in better with one person, causing a rift between others or simply getting more airtime - they are grown enough and I don't doubt they understand the consequences of the things they discuss and what they bring to light on this show. Calling manipulation is just an easy way to do what you wanted but when they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, they can throw their hands up and say someone else made them do it.

[Wings]

I really do not think "manipulative" means what these women think it means. If Lisa says they should do or say something, they still have the option. She is not tricking anyone or forcing them that I have seen. YMMV

 

 

I agree.  They want her to like them so they do what they think will please her then cry manipulation.  

 

This show is just another job for Lisa.  She has her life outside of this show, close friends and a social circle that does not include this cast other than Kyle.  I don't see her as having a serious agenda and any need to manipulate anything other than how she, personally, presents herself.   She covers her own ass, basically.  

Edited March 22, 2016 by wings707

[zoeysmom]

I really do not think "manipulative" means what these women think it means. If Lisa says they should do or say something, they still have the option. She is not tricking anyone or forcing them that I have seen. YMMV

I am glad you put the onus on the women because I don't think of LVP as manipulative but more strategic.  This latest outcry by Lisar and Eileen, to me it sounded as if Lisar wants to be part of the conversation and then she decides what she can take away from it to put her in the spotlight.  The Munchausen was a big backfire for Lisar and when it blew up in her face, she and Eileen went scrambling trying to do some damage control.  In Eileen and Lisar's own words, "deflection".  So Lisar who was once on pretty good terms with Kyle and Eileen , who both defended her to Yolanda, has elected to deflect responsibility for her part in off camera discussions. 

[WireWrap]

I am glad you put the onus on the women because I don't think of LVP as manipulative but more strategic.  This latest outcry by Lisar and Eileen, to me it sounded as if Lisar wants to be part of the conversation and then she decides what she can take away from it to put her in the spotlight.  The Munchausen was a big backfire for Lisar and when it blew up in her face, she and Eileen went scrambling trying to do some damage control.  In Eileen and Lisar's own words, "deflection".  So Lisar who was once on pretty good terms with Kyle and Eileen , who both defended her to Yolanda, has elected to deflect responsibility for her part in off camera discussions. 

LisaV defended LisaR to Yolanda as well. Lisa has spoken up for LisaR every time Yolanda went off about her, as did Kyle. Eileen, on the other hand, was the one that told on LisaR to Yolanda getting her in trouble in the first place and she was the one who told her to go talk to her face to face, which also backfired on LisaR. I think LisaR needs to rethink her allegiance to Eileen. Eileen has been the one that sell her out to the devil, not LisaV or Kyle. LOL

[Satchels of gold]

I'm going to post a link about Yulin . I found the content disturbing so please don't click on it if you feel it will upset you. I'm posting only to show that social media is bringing this festival down. http://www.businessinsider.com/dogs-were-saved-thanks-to-twitter-at-the-yulin-festival-2015-6.

For those that don't want to click. The summary is social media is making a huge difference and that the social media campaign was started by the .Chinese themselves. The number of dogs slaughtered has gone from 10,000 to 1,000 . The say the festivals days are numbered.

So keep doing your thing Lisa.

Edited March 23, 2016 by nc socialworker

[PhilMarlowe2]

Wow, Lisa is going for the jugular in her blog -

 

 

Now if all I had to offer was to have my ass waxed on a dirty carpet or run my lines or even pulling down old curtains, maybe then I would feel the pressure to spend all season attempting to denigrate the character of my " friend," to validate my position as a Housewife, with bitter diatribe, which was a replica of their actions last season.

 

Ha!

 

Though then she kind of ruins it with her usual revisionism -

 

 

Last season I naively believed that their intentions came, albeit aggressively, from a place of empathy, in regard to Kim. Now not so much.

 

Oh, yes, Lisa you were sooo concerned for Kim last season. Ridiculous.

[Satchels of gold]

^ I think she is referring to Lisar

[PhilMarlowe2]

I know she is - she is suggesting she somehow felt Lisa R and Eileen were being overly aggressive, but gave them the benefit of the doubt in regards to their treatment of Kim. Which I don't believe for a second. First of all, what did Eileen do that could even be remotely considered aggressive? Yes, Lisa Rinna went overboard with her texts, but LVP did not seem to care one bit. It's sort of like how she was completely fine with Brandi when Brandi was on her side. But the second Brandi flipped, it was, "Some of the things Brandi has done have been vicious!" This is how LVP plays the victim card and I find it so disingenuous.

Edited March 23, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

I know she is - she is suggesting she somehow felt Lisa R and Eileen were being overly aggressive, but gave them the benefit of the doubt in regards to their treatment of Kim. Which I don't believe for a second. First of all, what did Eileen do that could even be remotely considered aggressive? Yes, Lisa Rinna went overboard with her texts, but LVP did not seem to care one bit. It's sort of like how she was completely fine with Brandi when Brandi was on her side. But the second Brandi flipped, it was, "Some of the things Brandi has done have been vicious!" This is how LVP plays the victim card and I find it so disingenuous.

Eileen helped keep LisaR wound up about Kim, they supported each other the whole time but Eileen let LisaR be the mouth piece, kind of like she is doing this season as well regarding LisaV. LisaV did say a few times that she didn't feel their approach with Kim would do any good and that was based on her run in with Kim in Paris. Also, Lisa did tell Brandi, frequently as a matter of fact and on camera, that Brandi shouldn't do/say many of things she did but Brandi just blew her off, which is one of the reasons LisaV backed away from Brandi both on and off camera.

[JenFromCincy]

I don't get the criticism of Lisa for dropping Brandi.  Brandi made it quite clear that she saw nothing wrong with her behavior (still doesn't) and didn't want to be mothered or told how to act.   If I had a newly formed friendship where I was watching a person self destruct, I'd likely back off too and I don't even have a brand to protect.  If they had been friends for many years it might seem suspect to ditch someone when they were down, but I think it was more of a bait and switch.  She thought Brandi was fun with occasional hot mess thrown in that was tolerable, when in actuality Brandi was a hot mess with fun thrown in now and then.  She cut her losses and moved on.  That's what happens in life.  Not all friendships are lifetime ones.

[ElDosEquis]

I don't get the criticism of Lisa for dropping Brandi.  Brandi made it quite clear that she saw nothing wrong with her behavior (still doesn't) and didn't want to be mothered or told how to act.   If I had a newly formed friendship where I was watching a person self destruct, I'd likely back off too and I don't even have a brand to protect.  If they had been friends for many years it might seem suspect to ditch someone when they were down, but I think it was more of a bait and switch.  She thought Brandi was fun with occasional hot mess thrown in that was tolerable, when in actuality Brandi was a hot mess with fun thrown in now and then.  She cut her losses and moved on.  That's what happens in life.  Not all friendships are lifetime ones.

I don't see it as a post-friendship dismissal, I see it as a "why-get-involved-in-the-first-place" reflection.

 

One thing that tickles the feces outta me are the made-for-reality-TV relationships.

 

Most of us have relationships that we have cultivated for years and others that have lasted as long as a fart in the wind. When you get into a relationship to mother, big brother/sister, someone? You will fight, love, hate, be lifted and disappointed in the process. Just like with a relative.

 

The difference between being related and being friends is that you will always be related to that person should the shit hit the fan? I try to think people are inherently good, but I don't look to be more to someone than I am prepared to be.

[Umbelina]

I loved Lisa's blog.

 

That's the way you do it ladies.

[zoeysmom]

Lisa outdid herself with the comment about the butt waxing on the dirty rug.  I am guessing LVP did lie about something but she is putting up a pretty good spin cycle pre-reveal. 

[WireWrap]

Lisa outdid herself with the comment about the butt waxing on the dirty rug.  I am guessing LVP did lie about something but she is putting up a pretty good spin cycle pre-reveal. 

I guess we will "see" if she lied or not, depending on whether or not you believe the accuser(s). Lisa said that someone is "Pulling strings" in her last blog and the one before she said that someone or something changed LisaR's story. I think she is saying that Eileen/Erika and Yolanda are pressuring LisaR to change her story to fit their plans, I suspect it is true and they are guilting LisaR into it by using Yolanda's "illness".

[Vicky8675309]

Lisa's blog is giving me LIFE! I love the shade!

I don't think I have ever enjoyed a blog more than LVP's blog this week;-)

[ElDosEquis]

Lisa outdid herself with the comment about the butt waxing on the dirty rug.

Wouldn't that reflect badly on whoever was hired to clean house?

 

Or is that one of those patented double entendre/brit humor jokes that she is famous for?

Edited March 24, 2016 by ElDosEquis

[Satchels of gold]

^ I didn't realize that until you wrote that. I wonder if that's what she meant?

[ElDosEquis]

^ I didn't realize that until you wrote that. I wonder if that's what she meant?

I have one of those minds that wanders down the darkest back alleys, just be warned? I get into trouble because I can look or hear something and immediately turn it into the dirtiest filth you have ever seen. : 0

 

Another sure fire way to 'decode' that sentence is to read it in her accent, then add the forced laugh at the end?

Edited March 24, 2016 by ElDosEquis

[RHJunkie]

I guess we will "see" if she lied or not, depending on whether or not you believe the accuser(s). Lisa said that someone is "Pulling strings" in her last blog and the one before she said that someone or something changed LisaR's story. I think she is saying that Eileen/Erika and Yolanda are pressuring LisaR to change her story to fit their plans, I suspect it is true and they are guilting LisaR into it by using Yolanda's "illness".

 

If it were about another housewife, I would already concede that LVP probably made a suggestive comment that could be taken one way or another. Her and Kyle's friendship is the only real friendship among the cast where they actually spend time with one another and not just for cameras and a pay cheque. By the time the new girls came into the picture, LVP and Kyle had already mended their fences. I'm not inclined to believe that LVP would make a comment in a manner that was intended to target Kyle of all the girls. In addition, Lisa R has already proven that she has taken words and used them in the manner that best suited her agenda but when shit hit the fan, she was quick to make herself look like the scapegoat for someone else's fight. Whether she intends to or not, she is all but saying that she's very impressionable and that only makes her appear as an unreliable source. She is passionate when she speaks, but the more she does so, it appears that she's not really sure why and how she's passionate about anything.

 

Can't wait to see how the actual episode pans out.

Edited March 24, 2016 by RHJunkie

[Satchels of gold]

I'm glad Lisa listed all her activities in her blog. Earlier this season people were claiming she had no storyline. Also as a palet cleanse for all the Yulin talk, Nepal has a yearly festivlal where they celebrate dogs. Here are some very safe and adorable pictures.http://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/theres-a-festival-that-has-a-whole-day-devoted-to-celebratin#.snMZdqRPA

[ottergirl]

I know she is - she is suggesting she somehow felt Lisa R and Eileen were being overly aggressive, but gave them the benefit of the doubt in regards to their treatment of Kim. Which I don't believe for a second. First of all, what did Eileen do that could even be remotely considered aggressive? Yes, Lisa Rinna went overboard with her texts, but LVP did not seem to care one bit. It's sort of like how she was completely fine with Brandi when Brandi was on her side. But the second Brandi flipped, it was, "Some of the things Brandi has done have been vicious!" This is how LVP plays the victim card and I find it so disingenuous.

 

I totally agree with you about the victim thing - it infuriated me throughout Season 4 and the start of Season 5; LVP was perfectly comfortable leading/instigating/participating in attacks on others (Kyle, Adrienne, Joyce), but as soon as the tables turned, she wept and cried and played victim, claiming to be oh so baffled as to how anyone could think anything negative about her ever.  "Yes, I brought up Mauricio's affair on camera, and said that he and Kyle used friendships to get business, but HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK I would say anything that would hurt your marriage?"  Um, LVP, because you did it? On camera? That's why? I hate being treated like a moron.

 

I will wait to see how the last few episodes play out, but I admit to being interested to see how LVP handles the end of this season.  On twitter she's been playing the victim card, dropping little hints that sound like Season 4 redux - it was so mean, so terrible, she was so victimized. So my warning bells are pinging. But in her blogs - especially this one - she has been, for a change, direct and forceful, funny and unapologetic.  I thought the shade on Lisa Rinna, while possibly mean, was hysterical and I kind of liked it.  Say what you will, there's no doubt that Lisa Rinna and Eileen (and I believe definitely Yolanda, although she wasn't on the trip) CAME FOR LVP this season.  Whether or not it was warranted, I don't know; but it happened, they did it, and LVP gets to fight back.  I much prefer fiesty, mouthy LVP to "poor widdle me" LVP.  If you're leading the pack, LVP, then LEAD IT and don't whimper in the corner.

[ElDosEquis]

  I much prefer fiesty, mouthy LVP to "poor widdle me" LVP.  If you're leading the pack, LVP, then LEAD IT and don't whimper in the corner.

There are two kinds of dogs, the kind that gnash teeth, spit and bark - from the safety of the porch, then there is the mean Emm Effer that makes you cross the street because that little bastard can jump the fence and really go about protecting their turf?

[Avaleigh]

Lisa's blog is giving me LIFE! I love the shade!

I don't think I have ever enjoyed a blog more than LVP's blog this week;-)

I'm getting a kick out of how she made that comment after the filming of the reunion so Rinna won't even be able to respond to that onscreen until next season if at all. I have to assume that it was really bad between the two of them and that Lisa will never let it go. I think if LVP had her way that Eileen and Rinna would both be out. I don't think she likes Erika but I don't think she's actively saying that Erika isn't bringing anything to the table in terms of the show.  

 

Slightly OT but I saw Lisa on an episode of Almost Royal and thought her appearance was funny. She seems like she catches on to the joke fairly quickly but it's still amusing to see the irritation simmering underneath as they questioned her. When the people claim to have never seen or heard of any of her shows you can tell that she's a little ticked. 

[glowbug]

The thing that makes me most question whether LVP really tried to get Lisar to throw Kyle under the bus is that it seems like an incredibly stupid move. Too stupid for LVP. LVP knows Lisar is good friends with Kyle and has been for years. Although the show has presented LVP and Lisar as being closer friends and downplayed Kyle's relationship with Lisar it's my understanding that behind the scenes Lisar is better friends with Kyle. Even if Kyle and Lisar have been on the outs because of Lisar's feud with Kim, they're not publicly fighting and don't seem to hate or dislike each other. It would be stupid to think Lisar wouldn't eventually tell Kyle that LVP tried to get her to throw her under the bus. On top of that, LVP and Kyle are either genuinely friends again (though I'm sure both are still wary of the other) or they have an alliance. It doesn't make sense for LVP to go after Kyle.

 

The Brandi situation was much more plausible in that Brandi was LVP's close friend and Brandi was never friends with Kyle and in fact always seemed to dislike her. LVP would have had no reason to think Brandi was going to turn on her and side with Kyle at the time tabloidgate supposedly happened. LVP was also on the outs with Kyle at the time. The reason I never believed tabloidgate happened, at least in the way Brandi told it, was because Brandi is a lying liar who lies. See the Adrienne lawsuit as an example. Mentioning Brandi in a cease and desist letter meant for someone else and sending Brandi a copy turns into Adrienne is suing Brandi. Without independent corroboration I'm not taking Brandi's word for it, especially when Yolanda and Carlton said they were there that day and didn't see it happen, and Carlton seemed to be convinced that it didn't happen.

 

I'm going to wait to see how the next couple episodes play out before making a final decision on whether I think LVP tried to get Lisar to throw Kyle under the bus (maybe there will be a missing piece revealed that will make it make sense), but at this point I'm definitely skeptical.

Edited March 24, 2016 by glowbug

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I'm getting a kick out of how she made that comment after the filming of the reunion so Rinna won't even be able to respond to that onscreen until next season if at all. I have to assume that it was really bad between the two of them and that Lisa will never let it go. I think if LVP had her way that Eileen and Rinna would both be out. I don't think she likes Erika but I don't think she's actively saying that Erika isn't bringing anything to the table in terms of the show.  

 

Slightly OT but I saw Lisa on an episode of Almost Royal and thought her appearance was funny. She seems like she catches on to the joke fairly quickly but it's still amusing to see the irritation simmering underneath as they questioned her. When the people claim to have never seen or heard of any of her shows you can tell that she's a little ticked. 

 

Great point---it was done after the reunion and the only way for others to address it would be twitter, which can look petty, or wait until next season and still look petty. I love how her last two blogs don't even include the women's names but just their initials, lol. Also how she thanks (or shades) Bravo by thanking (or blaming) them for the (Chronic) Lyme awareness---I think she is shading both Bravo & Yo (doesn't even bother to mention YF, or YH).

 

I assume they have all seen all the episodes, including the unaired episodes by the time they do the reunion. She has enough on her plate that if Erika isn't attacking her then she isn't going to bother with her. If LVP stays on the show (I hope) then we will see. I personally think she probably doesn't respect Erika--several big reasons stand out to me. She may have initially liked her (or aspects of her) but as she got to know her I don't see much in common and not even a common sense of humor to help bridge the differences or lack of respect. Whereas with Kyle she can respect her as a mom, respect her for helping her husband build his career (take care of the kids, has contacts, support the separation from her family, host events, etc) and most importantly, a sense of humor and likes to play. 

 

LOL, you said "ticked";-) I can see her being ticked if people have claimed not to have heard of her shows. Seriously, do people not research people they are going to work with....rude. I can see people not having time to watch them but to say you haven't heard of them is insulting.