Kim Richards: No Escape from Witch Mountain

[JennyMominFL]

Quotas?  Whats the daily limit?  I am intrigued.

 

 

After you have successfully fought for your sobriety for three years they will up your quota.

[SoCal4Us]

I wonder what was going through Kim's mind to choose the Polo Lounge of all places to get hammered...isn't that a place to go to be seen?  Even if she wasn't arrested wouldn't she have been outed on social media?

[msblossom]

It will be interesting to see how Kim's kids react bc Kim has maintained that if she ever falls off the wagon again that her kids have threatened to have nothing to do with her. At least that's the excuse she used this season when the HWs were talking about her relapsing, she said that by just suggesting that she relapsed somehow threatened her relationship with her kids if they believed it.

Personally, I don't think they will make good on that threat.

I really don't care anymore if Kim gets sober or not. She doesn't seem like she really wants to to the hard work or get real about her addictions (all of them).

[zoeysmom]

Good one. Bad timing for Brandi.

 

Good guess, but I bet she was alone.

My understanding of rehab facilities is that you're not held there, and certainly not against your will. But they advise a minimum 28 days, and often suggest staying longer. (Although apologies if I'm taking your post too literally).

Most of the time when you are admitted to rehab you make a commitment to stay a certain length of time base on a physician's order.  It has been my experience that if a patient leaves earlier it is done so AMA (Against Medical Advice).  She has left against medical advice before.  Kim may make arrangements to go to the wedding prior to admission but I think there is more than just the ceremony there are the events leading up to it.  First they are going to have to break through Kim's denial.    I am guessing Kim didn't just take a taxi to the Polo Lounge and start ordering drinks she must have met or gone with someone.   

 

One thing Kim has done and is very common when someone stops using is she seems to take on a lot.  First it was Kingsley, the dog her daughter could not handle.  Maybe Kim needs to think in terms of moderation-difficult for an addict.  After the initial failed attempts to train and dog bites, a reasonable person would have conceded the animal was too much-not Kim it became her excuse to be angry at anyone who questioned her choice.  Then there was the unfortunate Monty situation.  Maybe instead of laying claim to be the driver, the nursemaid, the inn keeper, Kim could had a lesser role.  If he is so rich why not get a place and have this merry band or ex wives and kids and Hustler Honeys or medical providers help him in his final journey?  To me, it sounds like Kim wants to be in control, except when she doesn't and wants to go on vacation or work in Holland, or detox in the hospital or go out to dinner.  Again Kim was going to be damned if someone suggested she was doing too much.  Instead of suggestions of lightening her load, she was angry people weren't more supportive.  Kim expected Kyle, give up her a big chunk of her life to support these causes, Kim over committed to and was ill-equipped to handle.  Well except Brandi who realized Kim was not able to cope and instead used it to batter Kyle.   

 

So with Part 3 of Reunion in the background I guess I will reiterate what I said earlier-prior to Kim's arrest-Kim has been taking something. Oh here is my favorite part how hurt Kim's family is over the Kingsley's arrest and removal from the home.  Oh snap, Kim just beat Kingsley at his game. 

[SwordQueen]

After you have successfully fought for your sobriety for three years they will up your quota.

 

Cool, done!  I've been sober for three years!   ... I mean, it's true as long as I say it's true, right?  

 

DON'T QUESTION MY SOBRIETY, JENNY!  

 

Or else you know what will happen to you know who, and you know why.

[Rahul]

Good god! Just when I thought I was free of this season of BH which was weighing down on me this shit happens.

 

Lemme guess, Kim...not a relapse?

[breezy424]

you do have to wonder if Kim was with anyone at the Polo Lounge.  I kind of doubt it given how public her 'sobriety' has been.  Or maybe someone was with her and left.  

 

I do think that Kim probably hasn't had a drink in those three years (sure I could be wrong) but I do think she has been abusing 'drugs' all along (legal prescription or otherwise).  To Kim, sobriety just means not drinking.   The drugs got her by but the alcohol is so much easier....to get.  I also think that all the bad press she has been getting could well have been a trigger (aka excuse) for her start drinking again.  She is a victim you know.  Sure, Monty has been stressful but he's not relying on her 24/7 that's for sure and she isn't the first mother to help her daughter with a weddin.

 

I just hope that if she does get sober again, Bravo doesn't see it as an excuse to bring her back.  You know, the new Kim....again.  I think most of us are just tired of Kim 1.0 and 2.0, and have no desire to see Kim 3.0.  Or any resolve she may have to make amends with her sister and the other housewives.  She's just a vile person. 

Edited April 17, 2015 by breezy424

[missy jo]

Kim and Yolanda both suffer from diseases, but that's about the only thing they have in common.

 

 

For me, the difference is in how they treat other people. If we're supposed to believe Kim (I know, LOL, but stick with me),  she was "sober" and yet she was still horrible to family, friends, and strangers. Yolanda might have annoyed me at times as a viewer, but I've seen no evidence that she is a bad person.

Edited April 17, 2015 by missy jo

[Lnmop]

I'm having a problem getting off this forum to go to bed. Now who's having an addiction problem?

And it's 100% our goddamn fault.

[Maharincess]

Come on guys, I'm sure somebody slipped vodka to her and told her it was water. That and she mixed up her medication again.

Its not her fault.

It never is.

[zoeysmom]

Right. Someone posted Monty was going up north. I am not sure who posted it. I suppose they saw something on his Instagram account.

He is going to Las Vegas next weekend to watch Paris Hilton perform. 

[wheresmypizza]

I'm watching the third installment of the reunion now. What's fascinating me at the moment is the timeline. This aired Tuesday night. Then what happens between then and this morning? What did Kim see and read and feel between Tuesday and this morning that set her off? What made her go to the Polo Lounge, of all places to publicly fall off the wagon? There has to be video or pictures people took of her in this moment(s) that I'm sure will surface. Why? That's a pretty public way to screech to the world she's not sober after she's just hitched her wagon on the reunion show to the fact that she's never even struggled with her sobriety. Something must have happened. Bravo pink slip? But why not drink at home? Wouldn't the Polo Lounge bartender go, Hi, Kim Richards. Do you really want that vodka tonic? And the third, fourth, fifth??? If this wasn't a huge cry for help I don't know what is. I just hope she gets it.

[Giselle]

Poor Monty. Trying to live as comfortably as possible and this is his main support? Just too sad.

 

It's probably why he takes off and then comes back.  He needs support and is living there because he is dying but feels he has to leave when there is to much Crazy/Addict/Drunk Kim going on. He needs to get away and find peace. I would bet money she's the reason he does that.

[Maharincess]

I can't wait for the mugshot. When do they get released?

[SwordQueen]

He is going to Las Vegas next weekend to watch Paris Hilton perform. 

 

Perform what?  She does nothing.

[zoeysmom]

Perform what?  She does nothing.

She sings.  I have a brother who likes her voice.  That is all I can say about him.

[talula]

http://jezebel.com/rhobh-star-kim-richards-arrested-for-battery-public-in-1698276289

 

I'm actually sort of happy about this because of what a nasty bitch Kim has been all season and her insane mantra that she has no issues with sobriety. Of course, she'll somehow blame Kyle and Rinna and everyone else for this, but she only has herself to blame because when people offered help and tried to point out that she was slipping she decided the best approach was "blah blah blah" and "don't talk about me!"  Them's the brakes, Kimmy.

The author of the article, Kara Brown ended with:

"I’ve always maintained that Kim Richards is the saddest Real Housewife ever—not simply because of her alcoholism but because she allows such a serious subject to be dealt with on national television in a manner that never benefited her. Unfortunately for Kim, this incident puts a lot of weight behind the concerns that were directed at her all season long."

[breezy424]

So, here's this week poll question:  Since it's being discussed, and how it could affect the wedding, do you think Kim will actually go to rehab...again?  I don't think so.  She'll call it a bump (a one night mistake) and call it a day.

 

It is so interesting that she did this the day after the last installment of the reunion where the subject of the wedding and Kingsley came up.  And what she threatened to say about Alexia and the dog bite plus the minimizing of the bite and what Alexia went through.  In addition to the public backlash, I wonder how much backlash, if any, she got from her kids and the rest of the family.  You've got to wonder how they all really feel about the dog.  And the cousins seem very tight, so I wonder how the Alexia condemnation went over.  Add to that maybe Kathy had some harsh words for Kim regarding what Kim said about her niece.  I just can't imagine Kim getting 100% family support on this.  Of course, I could be wrong.

[zoeysmom]

For everyone's listening pleasure Paris Hilton singing Toxic.  A family anthem? 

[SwordQueen]

She sings.  I have a brother who likes her voice.  That is all I can say about him.

 

LOL  Oh my.  Well, if she "sings" about as well as she does porn, then yeah, no, I'm good.  ; - )

 

 

eta:  Okay, I watched it and she should never dance, either.   

Edited April 17, 2015 by SwordQueen

[film noire]

For me, the difference is in how they treat other people.

 

Agreed -- also, alcoholism spreads -- it infects the people closest to the alcoholic, leaving long term damage & often, symptoms of PTSD.   And since we're not living in Don Draper-land, we now know all about the long term cost and impact of alcoholism, so the alcoholic/addict can't claim a lack of knowledge. And in  this case, the alcoholic/addict  can't claim lack of funds or access to care. So basically if I use the disease model with Kim Richards,  I see a rich person infecting innocent people with her disease, and misplaced sympathy that should be going to Kim's victims -- Alexia, the other people bitten by Kingsley, the cop she attacked tonight, the patrons she was harassing at the bar, all the way back to her children, who have likely lived through hell -- all that misplaced emotion is going to Kim.

 

When Kim Richards gets sober, I'll feel empathy -- and admiration -- then. 

Edited April 17, 2015 by film noire

[Lura]

When I wrote my earlier post, the thought about Kim not seeking help was in the back of my mind, but I paid little attention to it.  I totally agree with many of you who brought up that argument.  It's a valid point. 

 

For several years, I was the assistant to a highly-respected psychiatric researcher at a leading hospital.  At that time, we were doing research on alcoholics at that hospital and others.  One of the key questions asked of the recovered  patients was "Why didn't you get help sooner?"  The vast majority -- IIRC, it was 79% -- said that a day without drinking was so hard on them that they couldn't imagine the agony of a whole life without alcohol.  They knew they needed help, they wrote, but they were too afraid to get it.  Many pictured detox as a horrendous experience like it was shown to be in the movies.  Many had no idea that medicines would be given so that withdrawal caused no discomfort.  They added that reinforcement by doctors that alcoholism was a disease and not some failing of their personalities, made them feel better about stopping drinking.

It was partly this experience working with them that made me write what I did.

 

Added to that research was another feeling when I wrote.  Anger.  I felt so upset by what I considered to be callous, uncaring, actually cruel comments by a very few people that were almost gleeful over Kim's arrest.  I let the anger dictate what I wrote.  I thought of it as alcoholism (disease)=drinking=behavior.  Although I am way beyond even liking Kim, I felt that she was in the throes of a disease, which I didn't find laughable.  Yet, I was wrong.  I failed to put into the equation that Kim could have gotten help and still could, but she had done nothing.  THAT was possibly the most important difference between Kim and Yolanda.  I was wrong, and I apologize to any and all whom I have offended.

We are all responsible for our own mistakes, whether it's Kim or it's me.  :)  (Thank you, though, to some very, very kind members who were apparently able to see what I was trying to say.)

 

Thank you, too, for some of your wise cracks!  Laughter makes my world go round, and I've laughed outloud at many of them! 

 

As far as the guessing game goes, I was hoping to learn that Kim had been swilling her vodka with Brandi.  With some of us wishing to see both of them go, I thought that maybe the perfect solution might have presented itself.  Maybe.

 

Peace.

Edited April 17, 2015 by Lura

[zoeysmom]

So, here's this week poll question:  Since it's being discussed, and how it could affect the wedding, do you think Kim will actually go to rehab...again?  I don't think so.  She'll call it a bump (a one night mistake) and call it a day.

 

It is so interesting that she did this the day after the last installment of the reunion where the subject of the wedding and Kingsley came up.  And what she threatened to say about Alexia and the dog bite plus the minimizing of the bite and what Alexia went through.  In addition to the public backlash, I wonder how much backlash, if any, she got from her kids and the rest of the family.  You've got to wonder how they all really feel about the dog.  And the cousins seem very tight, so I wonder how the Alexia condemnation went over.  Add to that maybe Kathy had some harsh words for Kim regarding what Kim said about her niece.  I just can't imagine Kim getting 100% family support on this.  Of course, I could be wrong.

Last time she went to rehab filming had been over for about three months and she decided on her own to go at Thanksgiving and went in December.  I was a little surprised she gave up Christmas.  I think that season aired in September so by November Kim had really started looking bad.  No one can make Kim feel any guiltier than she does about her arrest last night.  I think she will lick some wounds draw the ire of her children for a bit and begin to enjoy the wedding festivities.  My guess after wedding and then she will claim she needs to wait and be there for Monty.  Monty may have to be the one to break it to Kim that he can't be there for her-the way she wants him to be.  Afterall, we don't know what she goes through at night.

 

To me, this would be a good time for her adult children to start approaching Kim about taking on too much.  Have Kimberly do her own laundry, Whitney make decisions about the dog and perhaps Brooke, whose father is dying stick around and assist in the take care of Monty duties.  Brooke spends about half the month out of state or the country on vacation. They also need to call her out on calling the dog her son.  Not cute or funny when you have children.  My further guess is rehab will coincide with filming or Monty's health will decline to the point Kim cannot film.

 

My number one prediction-Kim will have another 5, 7, 9 day stay at Cedars-in the very near future.

[LotusFlower]

It wasn't the humor that made me feel bad. It was the more brutal, vicious comments that got to me.

All the vicious comments came from Kim. Not towards her, but from her.

[Persnickety1]

I'm watching the third installment of the reunion now. What's fascinating me at the moment is the timeline. This aired Tuesday night. Then what happens between then and this morning? What did Kim see and read and feel between Tuesday and this morning that set her off? What made her go to the Polo Lounge, of all places to publicly fall off the wagon? There has to be video or pictures people took of her in this moment(s) that I'm sure will surface. Why? That's a pretty public way to screech to the world she's not sober after she's just hitched her wagon on the reunion show to the fact that she's never even struggled with her sobriety. Something must have happened. Bravo pink slip? But why not drink at home? Wouldn't the Polo Lounge bartender go, Hi, Kim Richards. Do you really want that vodka tonic? And the third, fourth, fifth??? If this wasn't a huge cry for help I don't know what is. I just hope she gets it.

 

Well, the Polo Lounge is known for its discretion and is the reason a lot of celebs go there, for the privacy.

 

She's narcissistic enough to probably think she could belly on up to the bar, kick back a couple of drinks, and no one would be the wiser.

 

And we don't know that this is the first time she's imbibed at the Polo Lounge, really.  

 

Hell, for all we know, she'd already knocked a couple back at home and then went to the Polo Lounge.

 

She and Brandi were pretty pleased with themselves after that debacle of a reunion.

 

Maybe Baby Jane thought she should go "celebrate."

 

I doubt we'll ever know what took her to there that night or why she chose to drink in such a public way.

 

Too many variables...and it's Kim, so maybe the bitch thought the mothership was waiting for her at the Polo Lounge.

[SwordQueen]

When I was writing what I did, the thought about Kim not seeking help was in the back of my mind.  I totally agree with many of you who brought up that argument.  For several years, I was the assistant to a highly-respected psychiatric researcher at a leading hospital.  At that time, we were doing research on alcoholics at that hospital and others. 

 

One of the key questions we asked them was "Why didn't you get help sooner?"  The vast majority -- IIRC, it was 89% -- said that a day without drinking was so hard on them that they couldn't imagine the agony of a whole life without alcohol.  They knew they needed help, but they were too afraid to get it.

 

 

 

Oh, it's definitely a huge struggle to ask for and accept help.  No doubt.  Recovery and responsibility are not for the weak, and just the idea of losing ones vice(s) can be terrifying..  It's hard fucking work and it never ends, either.  It's a lifelong, continuous process of self-accountability and effort put into achieving personal goals.

 

For me, the difference with Kim verses many others is that Kim has taken all of that fear and pain and generated so much anger that she then propels outward at the very people who want to help her.  Not only that but she refuses to accept responsibility for the things she does and she's never remorseful.  People, when not in their right mind, do often hurt others.  But there's doing something in the moment and being unaware and there's being told afterward and not giving a shit while blaming the other person.  This isn't Kim's first relapse rodeo, either.  She should be aware by now of at least some of her triggers and her typical behaviors -- and she is -- we heard her tell the other HW that she goes into hiding and isolates when she's using.  So we know she has some awareness.  

 

It's that she's a Narcissist and therefore doesn't have the ability to empathize with how other people feel when she treats them like shit, and she feels deserving of special privileges and considerations.  She's never, to my knowledge, asked for forgiveness or mercy.  She's demanded compliance and absolution.  Not the same thing by a long shot.  So, imo, she's not so out of touch with reality that she's completely unaware of her behaviors.  She's just got a distorted twist on it, where she's both the boss and the victim and nothing she does is her fault because reasons.  I don't abide that kind of behavior in myself and not in others.  Maybe that means that I have too high expectations, but I know how hard some people work on their sobriety and recovery for all kinds of issues and it doesn't feel right to me to dole out compassion or empathy to someone who rejects it, over and over again and spits in people's faces for it.  Going easy on Kim feels like a slap in the face to those, many of this board, who have overcome so much and haven't/don't drag other people down in the process.  YMMV  ; - )   

[jenny2682]

Or when Sandy, Carole's boyfriend on Growing Pains got into an accident drunk driving? 

Oh I am remembering the poignant, overacted AfterSchool Specials such as the drunk driving one with Val Kilmer, Michelle Pfiefer and Mare Winningham  or the PCP one with Helen Hunt crashing through the window. Too bad Kim didn't get prime work like that.

 

I have sympathy for addicts who hit bottom because of terrible, devastating life experiences. I do not know what she has been through but God knows what she saw or went through as a youngster in Hollywood. Right now, however, she is looking like a spoiled, delusional narcissist. There is no cure for that.

[BlackMamba]

A few kicks that Kim might have given the cop

[DebbieM4]

I agree with all who have said that this was no relapse.  We've seen her under the influence several times this season.

 

And we've also seen her - IMO - completely sober.  She smiled a little more then and wasn't so quick to fly off the handle.  But she was a self-centered, mean bitch then too.

 

So I'm not so quick to blame her "disease" for all these horrendous mistakes that she's making.  I took me awhile to realize it, but Kim Richards is just not a nice person. Drunk, drugged up, or sober.

[LIMOM]

I wonder what was going through Kim's mind to choose the Polo Lounge of all places to get hammered...isn't that a place to go to be seen?  Even if she wasn't arrested wouldn't she have been outed on social media?

IMO, she wanted. to get busted. She knew it was getting out of hand.

[BlackMamba]

I wonder has Kim been sneaking out to get drunk late at night since John (Taylor's husband, then boyfriend)

blew her cover on camera back in season 3 Kim was at a cigar club. 

 

I give you the transcript of S3EP8

 

John:  Kyle, I was up at the Havana Club for lunch.  And they said Kim has been up there.

Kyle: My sister?

John: Yeah.

Mauricio: The cigar club.

Kyle: (In shock) Kim!

Taylor: She's allowed to go to a cigar club.

Kyle: (still in shock) ... Of course is she.  I didn't know she knew that place existed.

Kyle in talking head
"That can't be.  My sister would never be there especially right now.  While she's working so hard on her sobriety."

The she goes on talking to the others at the table (LVP/Ken, Mauricio, and Taylor./John) that Kim didn't invite her to Chad's birthday party in Vegas and Kyle never got an invite.  She tells LVP that she would had liked to have been there but it's was fine (remember the 521-reunion Brooke's upcoming wedding, Kyle said the same thing).

Talking Head With Kyle Continues

"My relationship with Kim has completely changed.  I thought once she became sober everything would be fine.  But I don't feel like I know her like I use to know her."

(Cuts back to the table scene)

LVP: You're not fine.

Kyle:  I'm fine.

LVP: No youre not.

Kyle: Im fine.

Edited April 17, 2015 by BlackMamba

[mwell345]

I knew it!!!.  The catalyst was the stress of watching the reunion, which - get this - she had to watch to "fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows".  From TMZ

 

http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/17/kim-richards-arrest-drinking-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-reunion/

 

"But the real trigger ... we're told earlier in the evening, Kim went to Brooke's house, where they watched the 3-part reunion. Kim had put it off because it was too upsetting, but she had to binge watch in order to fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows. And reliving what went down crushed her."

 

"We're told Kim has been deeply upset over Lisa Vanderpump and Lisa Rinnna. Kim believes Vanderpump had intentionally driven a wedge between her and sister Kyle. On the show, Vanderpump urged them to reconcile, but Kim claims off camera Vanderpump told Kyle that Kim didn't want her at Brooke's wedding ... which infuriated Kyle and deeply hurt Kim."

 

Seriously?  She's blaming Lisa Vanderpump?  Lisa Vanderpump caused the rift and not Brandi?  And when the heck has Kim ever felt obligated to blog?"

Edited April 17, 2015 by mwell345

[SwordQueen]

I don't know how you all embed YT videos in here, so I'm just gonna leave these here.   lol  

 

This is an interesting video about Narcissists from someone who self-identifies as one.  

Talking about why Narcissists don't feel that their actions count.

https://youtu.be/uEvS4Z6eE-Y

 

And another is about how Narcissists use your secrets against you*.  This one reminds me of Lisa R -- she talks too damn much.

https://youtu.be/eyvqkbvOAHo

 

 

*Good catch, LIMOM! 

Edited April 17, 2015 by SwordQueen

[LIMOM]

^^

You mean use your secrets against you, no?

I think she will serve time. According to E she has been charged with public intoxication, trespassing, resisting an officer and battery on a police officer. She is due to appear at the LAX Superior Court on June 10.

That sounds serious.

She did not just beat the bartender but she attacked a cop.

[Wings]

I do feel bad for Kim, alcoholism is very serious. I want her to have her Robert Downey Jr. come to God moment.

 

 I also feel for the other patrons of the restaurant who were so disturbed by her hotel management had to call the police. That is why the old video of Kim I linked to came to mind. She was, even though many younger people can't fathom, a very big thing in her child star days. She was a Disney go to girl, much as Hailey Mills before her. She may look average in retrospect, but at the time she had "the" hair. Every girl I knew wanted that waist length healthy blonde hair. She was known for her look, skinny blonde California girl. 

 

I just saw a lot of entitled SUPERSTAH behavior in that old TMZ airport video, and in her completely unapologetic self on BH.

 

 

I scrolled back to find this link but it is like a needle in a haystack at this point.  Very active thread!   Have any clues on its location?  :>) 

Edited April 17, 2015 by wings707

[BlackMamba]

I knew it!!!.  The catalyst was the stress of watching the reunion, which - get this - she had to watch to "fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows".  From TMZ

 

http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/17/kim-richards-arrest-drinking-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-reunion/

 

"But the real trigger ... we're told earlier in the evening, Kim went to Brooke's house, where they watched the 3-part reunion. Kim had put it off because it was too upsetting, but she had to binge watch in order to fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows. And reliving what went down crushed her."

 

"We're told Kim has been deeply upset over Lisa Vanderpump and Lisa Rinnna. Kim believes Vanderpump had intentionally driven a wedge between her and sister Kyle. On the show, Vanderpump urged them to reconcile, but Kim claims off camera Vanderpump told Kyle that Kim didn't want her at Brooke's wedding ... which infuriated Kyle and deeply hurt Kim."

 

Seriously?  She's blaming Lisa Vanderpump?  Lisa Vanderpump caused the rift and not Brandi?  And when the heck has Kim ever felt obligated to blog?"

 

 

SURPRISE!  SAYS NO ONE!

[slade3]

I have never believed Kim was sober. Never. And the few times my husband has agreed to watch the show, he has said "She is not a sober woman. She's drunk right now!" But despite the slurring and aggressive behavior, I've doubted my belief that Kim is still drinking/drugging because all those people around her insisted she was clean and didn't seem to think that weird way she speaks indicated she'd knocked back a few off camera.

 

While I'm sorry Kim has had a public meltdown, I agree with LIMom that she probably wanted to be caught. (Just like that killer from HBO's The Jinx who whispered "I killed them all" without realizing he was still hooked up to a mic.) But while I'm sorry for her family, I'm also glad it happened in public, and she didn't kill herself or choke to death alone in her house the way some alcoholics do. 

 

Now, I have to admit that I'm also happy LisaR and Eileen have been vindicated. I've been in situations where I know someone is lying about something they've done/are doing, and despite knowing their history, the people around us don't believe my side 100%. It is so frustrating when you know someone is lying, but you have no solid proof and have to defend yourself for showing concern. I've also been around people who claim they are sober or clean, but I simply don't believe them. But when you don't see someone drinking/doing drugs, how do you prove they are? Maybe some people just slur when they speak (like Dorinda on RHNY).

 

Did anyone watch WWHL last night? I chose not to DVR it, and then when I heard about Kim's arrest, I forgot to reset the DVR to tape it. I'm curious if it was live. If so, did Andy mention the arrest?

 

He has to fire her now, doesn't he? I mean, that reunion was ugly and I think Andy and Bravo would look very bad if they kept her on this show. I think she also sealed her own firing by saying she had to binge watch the show to write her blogs. I can't imagine Andy will like that.

 

To be honest, if I thought the other women would constantly remind her that she's a liar, and ostracize her until she apologized to everyone she screamed at, I wouldn't mind having her back next season. But I'm sure it will be ignored, or she'll be treated with kid gloves or a standing ovation for going to rehab. That I don't want to watch.

[quinn]

From TMZ


 

Sources very close to Kim as well as sources connected with "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" tell TMZ, she was unable to cope with some pretty terrible things going on in her life.

-- Her ex-husband Monty, who still lives with her, is dying of stage 4 cancer.

-- Her son Chad was released from UCLA Medical Center hours before the meltdown.

-- She's under financial stress. Contrary to reports, she's getting no money for child support.

-- Kim is trying to plan her daughter Brooke's official wedding.

But the real trigger ... we're told earlier in the evening, Kim went to Brooke's house, where they watched the 3-part reunion. Kim had put it off because it was too upsetting, but she had to binge watch in order to fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows. And reliving what went down crushed her.

We're told Kim has been deeply upset over Lisa Vanderpump and Lisa Rinnna. Kim believes Vanderpump had intentionally driven a wedge between her and sister Kyle. On the show, Vanderpump urged them to reconcile, but Kim claims off camera Vanderpump told Kyle that Kim didn't want her at Brooke's wedding ... which infuriated Kyle and deeply hurt Kim.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/17/kim-richards-arrest-drinking-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-reunion

There is something fishy about this source, sounds like someone with an axe to grind against LVP plus didn't someone say Brooke was out of the country.

 

ETA:

OK I checked Brooke's Instagram and her last post was from Dubai five days ago.  Several hours ago, her husband posted a picture from Qatar stating that next stop is Kuwait, so if she is with her husband she is still out of the country.

Edited April 17, 2015 by quinn

[mbutterfly]

It will be interesting to see how Kim's kids react bc Kim has maintained that if she ever falls off the wagon again that her kids have threatened to have nothing to do with her. At least that's the excuse she used this season when the HWs were talking about her relapsing, she said that by just suggesting that she relapsed somehow threatened her relationship with her kids if they believed it.

Personally, I don't think they will make good on that threat.

I really don't care anymore if Kim gets sober or not. She doesn't seem like she really wants to to the hard work or get real about her addictions (all of them).

Isn't that just typical Kim? If another person mentions her relapsing, it is that person who has damaged her relationship with her kids and therefore hurt her kids. She places all these controls on other people. 

Reading here and on the Reunion 3 thread and noticing a bit of irritation among posters, it makes me think how a person with Kim's substance abuse behavior causes discord with a ripple effect. My own sister died -- ultimately -- from abusing alcohol and prescription drugs, but she was sweet and clearly fragile. Even then there was discord among several co-dependent people. 

Edited April 17, 2015 by mbutterfly

[Satchels of gold]

I knew it!!!.  The catalyst was the stress of watching the reunion, which - get this - she had to watch to "fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows".  From TMZ

 

http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/17/kim-richards-arrest-drinking-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-reunion/

 

"But the real trigger ... we're told earlier in the evening, Kim went to Brooke's house, where they watched the 3-part reunion. Kim had put it off because it was too upsetting, but she had to binge watch in order to fulfill her obligation to blog about the shows. And reliving what went down crushed her."

 

"We're told Kim has been deeply upset over Lisa Vanderpump and Lisa Rinnna. Kim believes Vanderpump had intentionally driven a wedge between her and sister Kyle. On the show, Vanderpump urged them to reconcile, but Kim claims off camera Vanderpump told Kyle that Kim didn't want her at Brooke's wedding ... which infuriated Kyle and deeply hurt Kim."

 

Seriously?  She's blaming Lisa Vanderpump?  Lisa Vanderpump caused the rift and not Brandi?  And when the heck has Kim ever felt obligated to blog?"

Since when has she blogged? What a load of shit.

[howivesforever]

Since when has she blogged? What a load of shit.

Exactly. I don't believe this story because clearly Lisa R would have been named, but it's definitely Kim's MO to blame others. The excuses infuriate me. Everyone has problems and has to deal with real life issues. Kim gets no pass from me.

[Wings]

I have never believed Kim was sober. Never. And the few times my husband has agreed to watch the show, he has said "She is not a sober woman. She's drunk right now!" But despite the slurring and aggressive behavior, I've doubted my belief that Kim is still drinking/drugging because all those people around her insisted she was clean and didn't seem to think that weird way she speaks indicated she'd knocked back a few off camera.

 

While I'm sorry Kim has had a public meltdown, I agree with LIMom that she probably wanted to be caught. (Just like that killer from HBO's The Jinx who whispered "I killed them all" without realizing he was still hooked up to a mic.) But while I'm sorry for her family, I'm also glad it happened in public, and she didn't kill herself or choke to death alone in her house the way some alcoholics do. 

 

Now, I have to admit that I'm also happy LisaR and Eileen have been vindicated. I've been in situations where I know someone is lying about something they've done/are doing, and despite knowing their history, the people around us don't believe my side 100%. It is so frustrating when you know someone is lying, but you have no solid proof and have to defend yourself for showing concern. I've also been around people who claim they are sober or clean, but I simply don't believe them. But when you don't see someone drinking/doing drugs, how do you prove they are? Maybe some people just slur when they speak (like Dorinda on RHNY).

 

Did anyone watch WWHL last night? I chose not to DVR it, and then when I heard about Kim's arrest, I forgot to reset the DVR to tape it. I'm curious if it was live. If so, did Andy mention the arrest?

 

He has to fire her now, doesn't he? I mean, that reunion was ugly and I think Andy and Bravo would look very bad if they kept her on this show. I think she also sealed her own firing by saying she had to binge watch the show to write her blogs. I can't imagine Andy will like that.

 

To be honest, if I thought the other women would constantly remind her that she's a liar, and ostracize her until she apologized to everyone she screamed at, I wouldn't mind having her back next season. But I'm sure it will be ignored, or she'll be treated with kid gloves or a standing ovation for going to rehab. That I don't want to watch.

 

I never believed it either.  I don't think she was always altered on the show but she still did not appear to have her ducks in a row.  

 

I didn't know that choking was common among alcoholics.  It makes sense though.  

 

Eileen and Rinna will feel vindicated, I am sure.  My problem with Rinna was her meddling.  You cannot talk sense to someone in an altered state so just ignore it.  I resent that the entire season was taken up with Kim's addiction issue.  Boring.   zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 

 

Bravo will have to let her go now, I would think but not so sure.  She brings drama and that is what these shows promise.  

 

 

There is something fishy about this source, sounds like someone with an axe to grind against LVP plus didn't someone say Brooke was out of the country.

 

 

I don't believe that story either.  LVP stays away from Kim and the subject of Kim.   

Edited April 17, 2015 by wings707

[Satchels of gold]

And how would Lisa know Kim wanted Kyle disinvited to the wedding? They're not exactly besties. I have no doubt that Kyle heard that, but not from LVP.

[cooksdelight]

It almost reads like the TMZ source is Brandi.

[ryebread]

I felt so upset by what I considered to be callous, uncaring, actually cruel comments by a very few people that were almost gleeful over Kim's arrest.  I let the anger dictate what I wrote.  I thought of it as alcoholism (disease)=drinking=behavior. Although I am way beyond even liking Kim, I felt that she was in the throes of a disease, which I didn't find laughable.  Yet, I was wrong.  I failed to put into the equation that Kim could have gotten help and still could, but she had done nothing.  THAT was possibly the most important difference between Kim and Yolanda. 

 

I agree with this.  I felt the same.  I don't think we were wrong, Lura, in our initial anger. Obviously Kim getting arrested is a big deal to people like all of us who are invested in her 'story', for lack of a better word.  But I can understand why the people who are so angry at Kim feel the way they do.

 

Now, I have to admit that I'm also happy LisaR and Eileen have been vindicated.

 

Everyone, including most of us, knew that Kim was lying.  Lisa and Eileen especially knew it.  The rest of the cast knew it and production knew it.  Vindication, to me, would have been if the majority didn't believe Lisa and Eileen and now that Kim's been arrested they are proven correct after all. 

 

Rinna, though, probably does feel vindicated this morning.  Now she can skip her a.m. yoga and just do a happy dance.  Because she would.

[quinn]

It almost reads like the TMZ source is Brandi.

... or her imaginative ghostwriter.

[ElsieH]

Did anyone watch WWHL last night? I chose not to DVR it, and then when I heard about Kim's arrest, I forgot to reset the DVR to tape it. I'm curious if it was live. If so, did Andy mention the arrest?

 

 

I watched it. He didn't mention anything about it.

[cooksdelight]

... or her imaginative ghostwriter.

Yes, I better give credit where credit is due. Brandi is dumb enough to figure people won't check on Brooke's whereabouts, or that her vendetta to 'get back" at LVP is truly transparent.

[slade3]

I didn't know that choking was common among alcoholics.  It makes sense though.  

 

My understanding is that some alcoholics pass out and vomit while unconscious. If they are alone, and their head/neck/throat is tilted a certain way, they choke on their vomit. (Though I guess you don't have to be an alcoholic to do this, but I believe it's a concern for people with "drinking problems" who drink so heavily at home alone, they pass out.) I should have been clearer, but for some reason I didn't want to write the word vomit - maybe because I hadn't had breakfast yet and assumed others probably hadn't either.

 

Everyone, including most of us, knew that Kim was lying.  Lisa and Eileen especially knew it.  The rest of the cast knew it and production knew it.  Vindication, to me, would have been if the majority didn't believe Lisa and Eileen and now that Kim's been arrested they are proven correct after all.

 

While Yolanda, LisaV, Kyle and Brandi may have known Kim was drinking, their silence after that horrible restaurant scene in Amsterdam was unforgivable. All of them should have ignored Kim completely until she apologized. Even Kyle, on the boat, asked LisaV "So everything is okay now" and LisaV said "It has to be." I don't understand why it had to be. Kim's behavior hasn't changed because it has been tolerated. And whenever Kim said she has been working hard on her sobriety and LisaR and Eileen were ruining it for her, no one else said a word in LisaR's or Eileen's defense. Even though I ultimately felt as if both women should have stayed out of it and let Kyle and Kathy deal with it, Eileen and Lisa seemed very alone during the season so, for me, yes, vindication is the right word.

 

ETA: Thanks, ElsieH!

Edited April 17, 2015 by slade3

[mwell345]

I agree the source is fishy, and I am thinking possibly Brandi too.  Or some other mouthpiece for Kim.  

 

Kim is not made of spun sugar and the truth is, she gave as good as she got and then some, and if she hadn't said all of the awful things she said during the season, the reunion would have been a cake walk for her.  She was the one who brought up Harry Hamlin, she was the one who called Eileen a beast, she was the one who jumped down Kyle's throat for not defending her.  She was the one who acted the way she acted on Poker night and in the limo.  And she was the one who let Brandi push her sister away that same night.  I could go on and on, it was pretty much endless.

 

This was by far Kim's worst season on RHOBH.  We'd seen glimpses of her bad behavior before, but this season it was if someone flipped a switch.  My theory is that Bravo flipped it. In past seasons, we saw Kim when Kim wanted to be seen - she was late for events, even cast trips, or a no show.  I think Bravo put the screws to her this season and told her if she wanted a paycheck, she was required to be at certain events.  Kim herself blogged that she did not want to go to Poker Night. I think she had to show up for the season's events and the result was that everyone viewing the show saw the real Kim.

 

In any event, if the reunion is going to being blamed.  Bravo really has no choice at this point but to cut her loose.  Because unless she gets the help she needs (and that's a long shot), I fear we might be reading a very tragic news article one day.  I don't think Bravo, after Russell Armstrong, wants that on their plate.  At this point, Kim has got to be more trouble than she's worth to them. And opportunity is there - they can let her go now, say its for her own good, and they get to look like a responsible network.

 

And one more thing - she wants to blame the reunion?  I watched a reunion a few years ago where Teresa Guidice sat on the couch without a friend in the room, and Caroline, Kathy, Melissa, and Jacqueline ripped her apart.  And Rose threatened to cut her tongue out.  So, sorry Kim, you got off easy.

Edited April 17, 2015 by mwell345