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On 8/17/2023 at 9:49 AM, methodwriter85 said:

I didn’t love this at the time. Were the rest of the cast invited and she was the only one left out? I know Arianna de Bose was nominated and so was obviously going to attend. From What I read she was annoyed she wasn’t invited but a lot actors don’t get to go even if their filM is nominated? It might be just the production that attend. I admire her honesty in being frustrated she didn’t get the invite but was she the only one not invited out of the cast? If not I don’t get why she would be expecting to go.

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19 hours ago, Avabelle said:

I didn’t love this at the time. Were the rest of the cast invited and she was the only one left out? I know Arianna de Bose was nominated and so was obviously going to attend. From What I read she was annoyed she wasn’t invited but a lot actors don’t get to go even if their filM is nominated? It might be just the production that attend. I admire her honesty in being frustrated she didn’t get the invite but was she the only one not invited out of the cast? If not I don’t get why she would be expecting to go.

I think it's her being green at the time, and also not quite getting that a lot of people don't show up for the Oscars even if they're related to an Oscar-nominated film, or are nominated themselves. Especially when they're filming a movie outside of the United States.

I also got the vibe that she was annoyed that Disney/Fox had been hyping up the Hispanic representation of the new West Side Story (which was the big selling point as to justifying the remake) but she wasn't invited to the ceremony.

I'm kind of with you though that I can see why this had to annoy a lot of people, especially because it held up production of Snow White, which is still apparently not even completed and there are now questions Disney has about if it's even worth it to release in theaters now or if it should just be canned to Disney Plus.

 

 

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I watched the movie Maggie Moore(s) on Netflix on the weekend and it really made me wonder what is up with Jon Hamm. The movie was ok for a pretty basic crime solving cop movie. And I don't think it was very successful since I didn't even realize it wasn't a direct to Netflix thing until after I watched it. But I am really wondering why he isn't doing better more successful stuff. I know he was also in that Fletch movie which I don't think was very successful either and he had a small part in Top Gun: Maverick. But Mad Men basically made him a household name and he is a talented good looking actor. Did he make a bunch of money off Mad Men and now just does stuff for fun? I saw that Maggie Moore(s) was directed by John Slattery who was also in Mad Men so maybe he does just do stuff like that. And maybe he doesn't want to be in a super hero or Fast & Furious movie so there aren't a lot of options. And if that is the case why not go back to tv?

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I don't think anyone sets out to be in a disappointing project but I also feel like we are in an era where stars who have made their name and money take more risks, do more passion projects, are more content to do a glorified cameo in a Wes Anderson movie than take a leading role for someone not as acclaimed, or just have more agency to make films with their buddies.  It's possibly because in our current landscape it's getting harder and harder to predict what will or will not hit with an audience so might as well stop stressing about and do what fulfills you instead.  And even when something does hit it's much more transient than it used to be.  Movies like Maverick, Barbie, and Oppenheimer that stay in the zeitgeist longer than a few weeks are now the exception.

In the case of John Hamm specifically, outside of Mad Men he's never really been a leading man.  Like you said, he probably already made his money and it's not like he doesn't work or has fallen off the radar.   Maybe now he's just happy to be character actor guy whenever Tina Fey has a new project.   

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So supposedly Rachel Zegler, as soon as the SAG union strike is over, plans on releasing a scathing indictment on the haters with a focus on the Daily Wire release of Snow White and the South Park Into the Pandaverse episode.

I don't know. I get that she feels she needs to do this, but I don't think it's going to help much.

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6 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

So supposedly Rachel Zegler, as soon as the SAG union strike is over, plans on releasing a scathing indictment on the haters with a focus on the Daily Wire release of Snow White and the South Park Into the Pandaverse episode.

I don't know. I get that she feels she needs to do this, but I don't think it's going to help much.

Maybe not, but she has the right to stand up for herself. And if she wants to stick it to Trey Parker and Matt Stone, more power to her. All she did was take a part that she’s wanted to play since she was a kid and try to make it her own. Why everyone seems to want to punish her for that, I’ll never understand.

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Jacob Tremblay's voice cracking while talking about Little Mermaid...aww, puberty, thank god I haven't experienced that in over 20 years. LOL

I'm glad he's riding out his "awkward stage" (that can kill so many child star careers unless they're lucky like Elizabeth Taylor who never had an awkward stage) by doing voiceover work. A really smart move while he waits as we know that generally Hollywood is going to pick a 18-year to play 16 over an actual 16-year old, especially when it comes to guys.

He should do fine when he finishes growing up, though. Remember his parents, lol. I lean towards thinking he mostly favors his mother (he had such a cat-like face similar to hers) but lately his face has been elongating to resembling a bit of his father, as well. That kind of surprised me. Sometimes teenagers look pretty much the same as they did as little kids, just bigger (see: Tina Majorino) and sometimes you get some pretty significant changes.

I am really glad his parents didn't move to Los Angeles.

 

 

 

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On 10/30/2023 at 9:45 AM, absnow54 said:

Poor Josh Hutcherson having a relatively successful comeback film (Five Nights at Freddie's) on the cusp of the Hunger Games prequel coming out, and he can't capitalize on it due to the strike. 

Yeah, the male lead from Suits got really excited about the show's renewed popularity after showing up on Netflix so he posted BTS photos from it. He got reminded doing that was a no-no. It does kind of feel ridiculous to do this with shows that have been in the can for more than just a few years but streaming residuals are part of it. 

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There are worse tragedies but it sucks for Meg Ryan that she can't promote What Happens Next.  (I guess she could have as writer/director.)  I haven't seen it but it but it looks like the type of movie that needs her being charming on talk shows--and interviewers touting her comeback-- to get any sort of traction. 

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I am happy for Rachel. It’s a weird coincidence how many films she has been in, where there is a certain aspect of gate keeping from the general public. It worked for West Side Story and she seems to have gotten the approval of Hunger Games fans. 

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Funny.  I was just going to post in another thread about Anne Hathaway but here seems like a good excuse to respond.  I was just thinking how I recently saw Eileen and if this is how Anne Hathaway is pivoting from her ingenue days I am here for it.

Anne Hathaway is in basically the third stage of her career- first Disney ingenue, then hot young leading lady gunning for an Oscar, and now she's heading into what is usually the "Mom to a teenager" stage of her career. Which she is doing, but Elieen is a nice counterbalance to that type of role.

Anne also seems to be embracing a lot of tv mini-series work, which is smart.

Thomasin McKenzie has carved out a really interesting career since her breakout role with Leave No Trace. I can't wait to see her play Keri Strug.

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On 12/15/2023 at 4:26 AM, methodwriter85 said:

Thomasin McKenzie has carved out a really interesting career since her breakout role with Leave No Trace. I can't wait to see her play Keri Strug.

I knew nothing about this- but I am interested as well!

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Nicholas Galitizine has carved out a really interesting niche for himself as the love interest in streaming movies and tv shows. What's great is that while his beauty is important to the character, they're actually quite varied. Henry from Red White and Royal Blue looks nothing like Hayes Cambell in The Idea of You.

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Holy crap, Blake Lively is in a serious monkey's paw situation. On one hand, her movie is a huge hit. On the other hand, she's garnered some serious bad press that could wind up tanking her career. 

I do think that Blake has shown before that she's not the best at reading the room. I remember her deciding to post the caption "Beverly Hills Face, Oakland Bootie" once, not to mention her plantation wedding plans.

I honestly thought the drama was manufactured to promote the film, but the backlash feels very real.

On a completely different note, I just watched the Widow Clicquot starring Haley Bennett. She hasn't really gone for mainstream fame since her 2016 push with The Girl on the Train and Magnificant Seven. Haley seems to be content as an indie darling making arthouse cinema stuff. Pretty smart, honestly. She seems like she's based in England now and it honestly seems like a great environment for interesting movies. I really hope Haley gets some recognition for Widow Clicquot. 

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25 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

Holy crap, Blake Lively is in a serious monkey's paw situation. On one hand, her movie is a huge hit. On the other hand, she's garnered some serious bad press that could wind up tanking her career. 

I do think that Blake has shown before that she's not the best at reading the room. I remember her deciding to post the caption "Beverly Hills Face, Oakland Bootie" once, not to mention her plantation wedding plans.

I honestly thought the drama was manufactured to promote the film, but the backlash feels very real.

What exactly did she do? I seem to remember that someone riled up the Swifties recently, but I can't remember the details.

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Personally, I'm on Blake's side with this whole bracelet nonsense. As far as the rumors of her and her co-star clashing, it isn't the first time two actors don't get along on the set, and it won't be the last.

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7 hours ago, Anduin said:

What exactly did she do? I seem to remember that someone riled up the Swifties recently, but I can't remember the details.

From what I'm able to understand, there's a flap over something Lively said back in 2016, when she and Parker Posey were being interviewed regarding Cafe Society, a film they co-starred in together. The interviewer posted a four minute clip to Youtube, calling in 'the Blake Lively interview that made me want to quit my job.' This seems to be separate from and yet related to the drama with her It Ends With Us co-star Justin Baldoni, where he also directed and she produced.  There's a lot of "seems to" and "appeared to" involved here, since none of the articles I can find are straightforward about what happened, but Baldoni was largely absent from group appearances with the cast, and there's mentions of none of the main cast or the book's author, Colleen Hoover, following him on social media, so yeah.

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9 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

From what I'm able to understand, there's a flap over something Lively said back in 2016, when she and Parker Posey were being interviewed regarding Cafe Society, a film they co-starred in together. The interviewer posted a four minute clip on Youtube, calling it 'the Blake Lively interview that made me want to quit my job.' This seems to be separate and yet related to the drama with her The Ends With Us co-star Justin Baldoni, which he directed and she produced. There's a lot of "seems to" and "appeared to" involved here, since none of the articles I can find are straightforward about what happened, but Baldoni was largely absent from group appearances with the cast, and there's mentions of none of the main cast or the book's author, Colleen Hoover, following him on social media, so yeah.

Rumour. Implication. Oh good. I love vagueness as much as I hate sarcasm. Dear everyone, if you have something to share, just bloody spit it out!

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7 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I remember her deciding to post the caption "Beverly Hills Face, Oakland Bootie" once, not to mention her plantation wedding plans.

That right there would make me hate her.

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Nobody is exactly saying what the beef is between Blake and Baldoni.  The most we are getting is that she thinks he body shamed her when he asked someone in production how much she weighed.  Apparently there is a scene where he has to lift her.  But he has a bad back and wanted to work with a trainer to strengthen it in prep for the scene.  And then she said that during a kissing scene he kissed her too long.  People then wondered if there was an intimacy coordinator on the set.  Blake seemed to say that she was her own intimacy coordinator but then back tracked. 

But outside of whatever spat is going on between them, she is getting criticism with the way she is promoting the new movie. She seems to want to Barbie-fy it.  She is trying to promote it the way Margo et. al promoted Barbie with all the pink etc.  She is a florist in the movie so all of her clothes are aggressively floral and she is promoting it like a rom-com telling women to wear their florals and bring their girls for a fun girls night out. Except the movie heavily features a domestic violence plot. 

Also there is some people who think there is a breach of professional ethics.  Justin is the director but apparently, Blake and Ryan Reynolds wrested control of the movie away from him.  Blake even said in an interview that Ryan wrote a pivotal scene in the movie.  Which was apparently a surprise to the screenwriter who had been asked about the scene Ryan wrote during an interview in a red carpet. The Screenwriter seemed baffled because she said the scene in question was definitely her writing and she had heard nothing about Ryan writing scenes.

The non-related interview in 2016 starts with the interviewer congratulating Blake in her baby bump (Blake had announced her pregnancy prior to the interview).  At which point Blake turned around and congratulated  the inerviewer on her baby bump.  Except the woman wasn't pregnant and in fact was unable to have children.  And the rest of the interview was a rather passive aggressive display of Blake and Parker Posey talking to each other and studiously ignoring the interviewer. It was odd.

 

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4 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

Nobody is exactly saying what the beef is between Blake and Baldoni.  The most we are getting is that she thinks he body shamed her when he asked someone in production how much she weighed.  Apparently there is a scene where he has to lift her.  But he has a bad back and wanted to work with a trainer to strengthen it in prep for the scene.  And then she said that during a kissing scene he kissed her too long.  People then wondered if there was an intimacy coordinator on the set.  Blake seemed to say that she was her own intimacy coordinator but then back tracked.

Bit of a mess. Not a total shambles, but not great either. Anyway, thanks!

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19 hours ago, Anduin said:

What exactly did she do?

DearEvette gave a pretty good summary of the movie drama. 

They had very different visions of the movie.  It sounds like he wanted to focus more on the domestic violence aspect of it all, and that comes through in how he talks about the movie.  And she did not, which comes through in how she promotes the movie.  In addition to being kind of unprepared to talk about DV, she has been using the movie promo to launch her hair care line and promote her alcohol brand. There's even a rumor I read that she hired someone to do a different edit of the movie after Baldoni turned in his version. 

But if you want to know why the internet is seemingly against her, it's because the internet is starting to believe she's trying to hurt Baldoni's career as a way to get him to give up the rights to the sequel.  He optioned both books pretty early on. 

They think it's pretty clear she has approved the People article about the 'drama' and the 'sources say' leaks.  Her problem is that even though she has far more Hollywood power than Baldoni, she's the one who has developed a 'mean girl' reputation. 

So when the 'fat shamed' blind item came out, that old video where she did just that resurfaced.  As did the video of America Ferrara rolling her eyes at Blake.  And her plantation wedding/Antebellum obsession.  And her other feuds. 

 

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3 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

They think it's pretty clear she has approved the People article about the 'drama' and the 'sources say' leaks.  Her problem is that even though she has far more Hollywood power than Baldoni, she's the one who has developed a 'mean girl' reputation. 

It's kind of like a bunch of things adding up, not anything so outrageous that deserves immediate cancellation, but when you're doing a movie that's on the hit level that this is, there's just going to be much more scrutiny than it would be if this had been a boutique hit like A Simple Favor or The Shallows were. And Blake Lively just has had a history of being really tone deaf and not reading the room.

And trying to throw someone under the bus because you think you can because he's not as known is never going to be a good look for anybody.

If I'm going to analyze I think Blake looked around and realized that she's really close to the expiration date that Hollywood has for women especially the Hot Blonde Bombshell type, and she's been desperate to make It Ends With Us the movie that will finally solidify her career as an A-Lister. But I don't know if that's really going to work out for her even though it's a hit because it also exposed her in a way that's turned a lot of people off.

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3 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

DearEvette gave a pretty good summary of the movie drama. 

They had very different visions of the movie.

Thanks. All very messy. Hopefully she develops some self-awareness about the situation, because women with troublesome reputations in Hollywood tend not to have great careers.

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Yeah, especially when some people get online to complain about something just to have something to complain about. See the backlash to

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the lack of a kiss between the 2 leads at the end of the Twisters.

 

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12 hours ago, Anduin said:

Thanks. All very messy. Hopefully she develops some self-awareness about the situation, because women with troublesome reputations in Hollywood tend not to have great careers.

The one caveat I would offer is that both Parker Posey and Jenny Slate have been namechecked in this business, Posey because she was present at that 2016 interview and Slate because someone asked her what it was like to work with Baldoni, and she "seemingly" (yeah, I know) sidestepped the question by giving a generic response about it being intense to have two major jobs on a movie set. It's giving me echoes of the Don't Worry, Darling drama, where Florence Pugh noped out of most if not all of the promotional stuff amid rumors of clashing with Olivia Wilde. If Baldoni did fatshame Lively, that's not okay, and it doesn't make him a nicer person because she did it to someone else. Bad back or otherwise.

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4 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

The one caveat I would offer is that both Parker Posey and Jenny Slate have been namechecked in this business, Posey because she was present at that 2016 interview and Slate because someone asked her what it was like to work with Baldoni, and she "seemingly" (yeah, I know) sidestepped the question by giving a generic response about it being intense to have two major jobs on a movie set. It's giving me echoes of the Don't Worry, Darling drama, where Florence Pugh noped out of most if not all of the promotional stuff amid rumors of clashing with Olivia Wilde. If Baldoni did fatshame Lively, that's not okay, and it doesn't make him a nicer person because she did it to someone else. Bad back or otherwise.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but to play Devil's advocate, there's something about how some people are rushing to prop Justin Baldoni up as this paragon of virtue because he hadn't commented on Blake and kept a "serious" tone to his interviews that is just sort of making me go "hmm" as well. Like it's reminding me that yet again people just have much higher standards for women's behavior than they do for men. And I'm saying this as a Justin fan who believes his side for the most part. 

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A Jack Lemmon comedy from the 60s popped up in my YouTube algorithm today and I thought "Do we have an actor like that in the modern day?" And I immediately knew the answer and he's also named Jack. Then I wondered "Is there was a modern Walter Matthau?" and I thought "Yeah but he's Irish and looks like he works out."

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On 9/7/2024 at 10:48 AM, Fool to cry said:

A Jack Lemmon comedy from the 60s popped up in my YouTube algorithm today and I thought "Do we have an actor like that in the modern day?" And I immediately knew the answer and he's also named Jack. Then I wondered "Is there was a modern Walter Matthau?" and I thought "Yeah but he's Irish and looks like he works out."

I have no idea who you're referring to a modern Walter Matthau. 

(I'm assuming the Jack you're talking about is Jack Black.)

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22 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

Nope.

Who is it, then? I can't think of any current character actors named Jack. 

Anyway, really stoked for Nicholas Alexander Chavez. I bet his phone's ringing off the hook, so to speak! Sky's the limit, young man!

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1 hour ago, methodwriter85 said:

Who is it, then? I can't think of any current character actors named Jack. 

Eh I guess it's off his voice work on Star Trek Lower Decks to make me think of Jack Lemmon. He's always so traumatized on The Boys!

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Having gotten back from seeing My Old Ass, I can confidently say that I'm really glad that former child star Maisy Stella came back to acting. She did an awesome job. Like she reminded me of a mix of Florence Pugh and Hailee Steinfield and I cannot possibly give a bigger compliment than that.

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Daniel Day-Lewis is unretiring to be in his son's movie.

The title is Anemone. "The feature is from first time director Ronan Day-Lewis, the son of the 3x Oscar winning actor. Father and son wrote the screenplay which explores the intricate relationships between fathers, sons and brothers and the dynamics of familial bonds."

Sounds like he won't have to method act too hard for this one.

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On 8/18/2024 at 4:06 PM, Cobalt Stargazer said:

If Baldoni did fatshame Lively, that's not okay, and it doesn't make him a nicer person because she did it to someone else. Bad back or otherwise.

If he asked about her weight and if it was because of his back, that's not fat-shaming.  If being the important word in that sentence.

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On 10/4/2024 at 9:56 AM, proserpina65 said:

If he asked about her weight and if it was because of his back, that's not fat-shaming.  If being the important word in that sentence.

Eh...I don't know if I'd call it fat shamming, but I think it's pretty weird if he did ask her weight, regardless of the reason. You don't need to know someone's exact weight to train to be able to lift them. Not to mention, he was the director. If he was that concerned about his back and potentially injuring himself, why didn't he just figure out a way to shoot the scene in a different way?

It seems like a super weird thing to ask a coworker...especially since he was also the director. And I can completely see how it would be interpreted as, Hey just checking to see if you're fat enough to throw out my back, even if that wasn't the intention. 

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There was a scene in which Justin lifts Blake into the air. According to our sources, Justin has a history of back problems and before lifting Blake, he went to his on-set trainer and asked how much she weighed and how could he train to protect his back from injury.

Blake later found out about Justin's comment and felt he fat-shamed her.

 

In that context, I don't believe it is all that weird.  If he has a history of back problems, he probably has been told there is a threshold of weight he can lift safely.

The actual inquiry sounds rather benign in the grand scheme of things.  An element of any kind of shaming is that it is done with malice or ridicule or criticism in mind.  This sounded more along the lines of needed information in order to do work. 

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I came back from Smile 2 hoping that Naomi Scott's career momentum gets going again. She really has to pull off being a believable Pop super star in the middle of a breakdown, and I bought it. Her career seemed to stall after Charlie's Angels bombed and then Covid hit, so I really hope this jump-starts her career again.

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4 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

I came back from Smile 2 hoping that Naomi Scott's career momentum gets going again. She really has to pull off being a believable Pop super star in the middle of a breakdown, and I bought it. Her career seemed to stall after Charlie's Angels bombed and then Covid hit, so I really hope this jump-starts her career again.

So do I. I’m too chicken to see that movie in theaters but she’s getting great reviews for her performance. I liked her live action Princess Jasmine so I’m happy she’s finally more parts.

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On 10/8/2024 at 7:56 AM, DearEvette said:

The way it was described:
 

In that context, I don't believe it is all that weird.  If he has a history of back problems, he probably has been told there is a threshold of weight he can lift safely.

The actual inquiry sounds rather benign in the grand scheme of things.  An element of any kind of shaming is that it is done with malice or ridicule or criticism in mind.  This sounded more along the lines of needed information in order to do work. 

That's what happens when forces like ideology (or terms such shaming/blaming) are unleashed. You can no longer control them -- or the consequences.

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15 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

So do I. I’m too chicken to see that movie in theaters but she’s getting great reviews for her performance. I liked her live action Princess Jasmine so I’m happy she’s finally more parts.

Naomi Scott was definitely getting a push throughout the 2010's but her career definitely seemed to stall after Charlies Angels bombed and then Covid halted everything, so it's great to see her getting a career boost. I was like, "Oh, right. Disney didn't tap on her shoulder for nothing." It's also not the type of sweet ingenue roles she did a lot of, so she gets to show off a lot of range.

Horror really does seem to be where it's at right now in terms of discovering new talent or seeing people who need to revive their careers a bit. Kyle Gallner is absolutely booked now after a couple of slower years. In his case, I think it's just the awkwardness of aging out of the boyish but deadly roles he was known for playing, but still looking a little too young to be taken seriously as an adult. His career definitely seemed to pick up again after Scream 5 and then Smile.

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