THE VIEW": WEEK OF 11/12/2018

[HaaCHOO]

Abby:  "I'm glad you mentioned the media, because TMZ was the first--I got the alert on my phone yesterday.  I ALWAYS believe TMZ--well, most of the time.  They were the first to report Michael Jackon's death.  They reported the first on many big...(interrupted by Joy to say they got this one wrong)."

Abby continues:  "They got this one wrong and they corrected themselves, but to your point, Sunny, they are in such a rush to be the first to break a story that they will publish whatever they hear first," blahblahblah...

So, Abby, first you brag about TMZ being first and your phone alert.  Which is it?  Wait to see the truth, or brag about seeing it first on your phone?  Both in the same long breath...

Edited November 15, 2018 by HaaCHOO

[Morgalisa]

I will reserve judgment on Avenatti until I have more information. However,  I changed my opinion of him awhile ago. He is quite the media whore, which worked well in the beginning. After reading several articles about his shady business practices, I think he sounds a little Trump like. This is a small excerpt from The Daily Caller:

"Avenatti's past is littered with lawsuits, jilted business partners and bankruptcy filings. People who have worked with the lawyer described him to The DCNF as ruthless, greedy and unbothered by ethical questions."

That does not make him an abuser, but I'm not so sure I like him as much as I once did.

[Apprentice79]

49 minutes ago, JakeyJokes said:

Abby isn't totally wrong about TMZ because they often pay sources for information that a credible journalist wouldn't try to obtain unethically. That said, TMZ is ran by Harvey Levin who is an outspoken Trump supporter so HMMM ....

Not anymore, they have had a fallen out over certain policies that affect people like Harvey. Google to find out the details.

[gatopretoNYC]

I would take anything from the Daily Caller with a HUGE grain of salt.

[Haleth]

50 minutes ago, ChicagoCita said:

As long as the performers toe (tow?) the line as far as loving country and God. 

Toe.  ?

Edited November 15, 2018 by Haleth

[athousandclowns]

What a difference the show is without MM " Miss  force to be reckoned with".  The bit with Whoopi and her different voting outfits  was funny!  The segment with Mahershala Ali was wonderful. 

I have to say that Abby's country music performers are the best comment  rubbed me the wrong way too. 

I have to agree with Joy that what we are going through now certainly is a time where you do need to take a stance.  It is much to my dismay that I have 10 news programs DVRed daily and there is no grey area for me.  This is not how I would ever think my golden years would pan out being agitated and worried about the world my grandkids will have to deal with. 

Very pleasant show I can deal with it. 

Edited November 15, 2018 by athousandclowns
Agree/Joy

[GiveMeSpace]

20 minutes ago, athousandclowns said:

I have to say that Abby's country music performers are the best comment  rubbed me the wrong way too. 

Count me in as also disgusted by her dog whistling along to the 99.9 percent white genre that is country music. She is not as clueless as she seems. She is not, as her hero Brad Paisley, said, "An Accidental Racist".

[SuzieSioux]

Watching today's show and all of a sudden I noticed a change in my reaction to it. It sounds dumb but it was like I was much more relaxed, like when Meghan is on there is this low level anxiety swirling around. Even when she is calmer and laughs more there is always that expectation that she is suddenly going to start screaming, or derail interesting conversations. Today was much better, it looked like the panel were enjoying themselves much more. I still find Abby a bit of a non-entity, kinda icy, but enjoy that everything seems pretty calm with her. In a way, she's like a less fun Sara who also made many silly statements and showed a lot of ignorance on the show. What Sara had was a great personality and a willingness to understand, and to be wrong and to learn from it.

Joy brings up over and over about people doing polygraph tests, but they aren't really good evidence of anything. That was one of the first things we learned in law school (ahem, just call me Sunny, y'all).

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 hours ago, bannana said:

When they talked about the Country Music Awards, Abby talked about how great country performers and country fans are, they are just real people driving up in their pickup trucks with their American flags.  She said something like they are the greatest.  And Whoopi corrected her to say "some of the greatest" and then she talked about soul and gospel as other kinds of great music and musicians.  Later, Mahershala Ali mentioned that conversation in the context of how great it is talk about these things and get everyone's perspective.

What I find interesting about Abby is that she often says things like this, for example, she loves going back to Utah, she loves the values people in Utah have (even though she likes NYC, of course!).  Meghan has said the same about Montana and the people there and their values.  Does that mean that they think people in NYC don't have values, or that their values differ?  Is Abby suggesting other genres of music are full of not real people?  She says these things in her sort of bland way that it is difficult to know what she is really getting at.

As to your first question? Yes. They absolutely think people in NYC or the East Coast, when you get down to it, don't have values. Forget about values differing.

To your second question? Yes, Abby is suggesting other genres of music are full of not real people.

Abby is just as dangerous as Meghan because she doesn't screech or bloviate. She says the SAME things but in a sweeter, calmer voice and tone. And that...makes her worse. She is not harmless.

[TheGreenKnight]

4 hours ago, Morgalisa said:

I will reserve judgment on Avenatti until I have more information. However,  I changed my opinion of him awhile ago. He is quite the media whore, which worked well in the beginning. \

I haven't liked him for a while now. His comments a few weeks back (the ones they talked about on the show) pretty much ended any respect / interest I had left in him.

All the ladies seemed much happier and excited today with the dead weight absent. As for Joy's polygraph comments, they aren't proof in a court of law, but anyone who's innocent wouldn't hesitate to take one. That was her point, imo.

[blondiec0332]

1 hour ago, athousandclowns said:

 

I have to say that Abby's country music performers are the best comment  rubbed me the wrong way too. 

 

I hate country music.  Makes my ears bleed.   So I guess Abby must think I'm not a real person.   I also don't drive a pickup truck.   She would probably think I'm the worst.

[Ladyrain]

Back to Whoopie and her thousands of Welcome to The Views for just a second:  I think she does it just to piss everybody off.  Because you know she loves to.  She knows how ridiculous it sounds, how people have commented about it.  So it's a verbal F-U, in my humble opinion.  WG really doesn't bother me too much, but that one thing every day bugs the bejeezus out of me. 

[msrachelj]

7 hours ago, Jewell2 said:

Sunny’s eyebrows are a bit much today!

horrible. they looked like stick on fake brows. all shiny no hair. yuk...haven't watched in a few weeks. is she pregnant?

i ff'd the second half but where was viggo?!

[tribeca]

what was Joys joke about Trump and a hamburger?   I could not make out what she was saying.  

The show was much more enjoyable.   Joy especially looked more relaxed.  

[CheezyXpressed]

5 hours ago, bannana said:

What I find interesting about Abby is that she often says things like this, for example, she loves going back to Utah, she loves the values people in Utah have (even though she likes NYC, of course!).  Meghan has said the same about Montana and the people there and their values.  Does that mean that they think people in NYC don't have values, or that their values differ?  Is Abby suggesting other genres of music are full of not real people?  She says these things in her sort of bland way that it is difficult to know what she is really getting at.

She does this with every topic. If they're talking about Fox news, she'll mention that the news folk are the best. If they're talking about country music awards, she'll mention that they're the best. If they talk about Cardi and Nicki, she'll say that they're the best but have beef. If they talk about Dill Pickle chips, she'll say that they're the best.

I usually just stop listening during this part and wait till after to see what she's actually trying to say.

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 hours ago, Ladyrain said:

Back to Whoopie and her thousands of Welcome to The Views for just a second:  I think she does it just to piss everybody off.  Because you know she loves to.  She knows how ridiculous it sounds, how people have commented about it.  So it's a verbal F-U, in my humble opinion.  WG really doesn't bother me too much, but that one thing every day bugs the bejeezus out of me. 

Who is the everybody? The rest of the panel? Because I don’t think she does it to piss anyone off. Like @TV Diva Queen stated, it’s very difficult for the audience to hear what they’re saying on the panel, which makes me wonder what’s the point of having a live show if your audience can’t even hear you. But that’s a rant for another forum. For all that Whoopi pisses me off since she joined this show, I really believe she does it for the audience-most, if not all, who are her fans/love her.

[suomi]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

As to your first question? Yes. They absolutely think people in NYC or the East Coast, when you get down to it, don't have values. Forget about values differing.

To your second question? Yes, Abby is suggesting other genres of music are full of not real people.

Abby is just as dangerous as Meghan because she doesn't screech or bloviate. She says the SAME things but in a sweeter, calmer voice and tone. And that...makes her worse. She is not harmless.

Iron butterfly, steel magnolia, iron fist in a velvet glove, etc.

[Blissfool]

10 hours ago, fatewemake said:

Totally agree about it being annoying.  Out of bizarre curiosity I counted a few times how many times she said it and it was at least 7 times.  After that I always fast-forwarded past her greeting.  For me the greeting is not far off from nails on a chalkboard because at least with the chalkboard thing you know the person soon realizes its annoying and will stop. Or, people will eventually complain and it will stop.  With Whoopi's greeting it's been years and she's as proud as ever each day she says it.

I would bow down to Meghan if she would tell Whoopi to stop being so annoying with her opening. Guess she's not as much of a "straight-shooter" or "tell it like it is" as she'd like us to think. 

[ABitOFluff]

5 hours ago, blondiec0332 said:

I hate country music.  Makes my ears bleed.   So I guess Abby must think I'm not a real person.   I also don't drive a pickup truck.   She would probably think I'm the worst.

Ha, I just gave a whole round of likes on this subject. I like some country music, and some country performers. I'll always love Willie Nelson, because he's awesome, and Dolly because she's Dolly. But some country performers are assholes, just like some rock/pop/rap musicians are assholes. Abby shouldn't generalize. 

[blondiec0332]

7 hours ago, suomi said:

Iron butterfly, steel magnolia, iron fist in a velvet glove, etc.

Wolf in sheep's clothing. 

[buffynut]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I really believe she does it for the audience-most, if not all, who are her fans/love her.

I also think she does it for the audience. As annoying as it is to listen to as a tv viewer, I really think if I was in the audience, I'd be caught up in the excitement of the show and the co-hosts, and would probably feel a tiny thrill when Whoopi "Welcome"-ed my area "to The View". 

I haven't watched in a while, since Sara's last day actually, Does Whoopi still do the even more annoying, and insulting to Barbara Walters, "whatever view you happen upon" at the end of the show.

[TV Diva Queen]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Who is the everybody? The rest of the panel? Because I don’t think she does it to piss anyone off. Like @TV Diva Queen stated, it’s very difficult for the audience to hear what they’re saying on the panel, which makes me wonder what’s the point of having a live show if your audience can’t even hear you. But that’s a rant for another forum. For all that Whoopi pisses me off since she joined this show, I really believe she does it for the audience-most, if not all, who are her fans/love her.

Exactly, the audience is so quiet because we were trying to hear what they were saying.  All we did is look at the stage manager for our cues.  Don't get me wrong, they are mic'd but the studio level is really low.  Maybe Whoopi doesn't know the audience can hardly hear her.  LOL.  Trying to get tickets again for mid December, they haven't opened up my "window of dates" yet.  Maybe it was a fluke the one time I was there in Jan.  Going to see Ripa on same trip, but really want the View.  

[Apprentice79]

14 hours ago, tribeca said:

what was Joys joke about Trump and a hamburger?   I could not make out what she was saying.  

The show was much more enjoyable.   Joy especially looked more relaxed.  

Joy was referencing his alleged love for cheeseburgers(McDonald's), it has been alleged that he lives off strictly from fast food.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Apprentice79

[TV Diva Queen]

18 hours ago, Coffeewinewater said:

Was she really? Huh? I missed that.  

I enjoyed today's show. I didn't realize MM wouldn't be on, so happily surprised. All the ladies said the right thing regarding Avanati.  I'm suspicious as well. 

I'm not a huge fan of country music.  I understand everyone has different tastes in music. Saying that, Abby irked me . Abby saying that "country music stars are the best people in the country. "  really Abby? Just because they drive up to the red carpet in pickup trucks with American flags sticking out ?.  According to Abby that is. 

my routine is I get home from work, DH gets home before I do, I sit on the couch, he hands me remote and I watch the View on DVR.  He pretends he's sleeping.  When Abby said that the country music folk pull up on the red carpet in their pick up and flags, hubby mumbles "yeah, Keith Urban and Nicole are in a pick up"  

Edited November 16, 2018 by TV Diva Queen

[Cementhead]

1 hour ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Going to see Ripa on same trip, but really want the View.  

Wow.  You really are taking one (or two) for the team!  I look forward to your report when you get you back!  :)

[Morgalisa]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

Joy was referencing his alleged love for cheeseburgers(McDonald's), it has been alleged that he lives off strictly from fast food.

I believe Joy said she wondered if he needed an ID to buy his cheeseburgers and fries. It was during the voter ID discussion. 

[Cementhead]

Oops!  Deleted because image I downloaded showed up massively ginormous! 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Cementhead

[JayD83]

Ana has an opening and MM is gone again! Happy Friday!

Edited November 16, 2018 by JayD83

[GoldenGirl90]

Just now, JayD83 said:

Ana has an opening and MM is gone again!

You beat me to it! I couldn't stop smiling. She finally has her own official part in the intro. 

[Cementhead]

Is that pink thing in Whoopi's hair supposed to be there??  It looks like a chunk of confetti.  I was waiting for Abby to pull it out but I guess it's supposed to be there.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Cementhead

[GoldenGirl90]

Abby talking out both sides of her mouth already. She says the First Amendment is "alive and well" with the judge's temporary ruling to give Jim Acosta his press credentials back, but wasn't she just saying the media is at fault, too? So which one is it, Abby?

[CheezyXpressed]

Ana finally has an intro. It's only a matter of time before she takes over.

1 minute ago, Cementhead said:

Is that pink thing in Whoopi's hair supposed to be there??  It looks like a chunk of confetti.

I find it cute.

[Cementhead]

Just now, CheezyXpressed said:

I find it cute.

But what is it?  A barette?

[CheezyXpressed]

2 minutes ago, Cementhead said:

But what is it?  A barette?

I think it's just a hair clip.

[Coffeewinewater]

1 hour ago, TV Diva Queen said:

my routine is I get home from work, DH gets home before I do, I sit on the couch, he hands me remote and I watch the View on DVR.  He pretends he's sleeping.  When Abby said that the country music folk pull up on the red carpet in their pick up and flags, hubby mumbles "yeah, Keith Urban and Nicole are in a pick up"  

Lol, while I'm not a fan of country music , my husband is. I told him about the red carpet  situation that abby described,  he also said yeah, right I can see Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman doing that ?. He said, maybe they rent the trucks like that guy that ran for President?  I finally realized he was talking Fred Thompson. 

So Abby, even some country music fans don't buy the folksy BS

[rickhurst3186]

Does anybody really care why Whoopi got "emotional" about the special gift???

[HaaCHOO]

19 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said:

Abby talking out both sides of her mouth already. She says the First Amendment is "alive and well" with the judge's temporary ruling to give Jim Acosta his press credentials back, but wasn't she just saying the media is at fault, too? So which one is it, Abby?

I'm happy to read all the reports of her fence-talking...in case I miss one.  That's what she does most of the time at the table.

[CheezyXpressed]

The firefighters in California are a sign of socialism? I wonder if Meghan will address this message when she comes back, because socialism is meltdown worthy.

Also, Whoopi when someone is saying that Nancy Pelosi is part of the old guard that needs to be removed they are not saying that she's old but part of a system that isn't helping anyone. They say the same about Chuck Schumer, so it's not just her. I definitely think you can call some of the comments against her sexist, depending on who is saying it, but I haven't really seen any ageist comments. That was a bit of a stretch.

[rickhurst3186]

And...Whoopi always dresses like she only spent 45 cents on her clothes. 

[HaaCHOO]

17 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She says the SAME things but in a sweeter, calmer voice and tone. And that...makes her worse. She is not harmless.

And because it's "sweeter, calmer," most might not realize she often contradicts herself within the same comment.  That's a way to make everyone happy...and some mesmerized by her beauty.

[TheGreenKnight]

Ugh! Why did Whoopi have to ruin what could’ve been a great show? It was better than usual anyway without the brat, but with Joy moderating + Ana it would’ve been perfect.

I'm glad Ana finally got her part in the intro. I wish they’d show her every day like the rest of the co-hosts, even if she is only on Friday’s. God knows we have to see Whoopi's and Meghan's faces even when they're absent.

[rickhurst3186]

6 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Ugh! Why did Whoopi have to ruin what could’ve been a great show? It was better than usual anyway without the brat, but with Joy moderating + Ana it would’ve been perfect

I noticed that Ana was very subdued today. 

[TheGreenKnight]

2 hours ago, CheezyXpressed said:

Also, Whoopi when someone is saying that Nancy Pelosi is part of the old guard that needs to be removed they are not saying that she's old but part of a system that isn't helping anyone. They say the same about Chuck Schumer, so it's not just her. I definitely think you can call some of the comments against her sexist, depending on who is saying it, but I haven't really seen any ageist comments. That was a bit of a stretch.

I agreed with Whoopi actually; I hear the ageism all the time. Just because someone's old should have no relevance to their ability to do their job. It's something that's been lobbed at a lot of old people on the Dem side (which Joy herself pointed out when she said nobody says the same thing about McConnell), as if a youthful face somehow makes somebody a better option or more sincere. People are incredibly superficial.

[Apprentice79]

Nancy Pelosi has proven her worth as a leader.  Her fundraising skills are unmatched. I find it funny that Nancy's leadership  in the house has gained the Democrats 37 seats and counting. Yet, Chuck Schumer has been ineffectual as the leader of the senate Democrats, has lost seats and nobody is trying to oust him from his position.  The Neophytes coming in the House need to chill and learn from Nancy.  I do believe that at some point somebody else should be groom to lead the house, but, they just got to Washington. Do these Democrats even have offices and staff to help them work.  There is enough divisiveness in Washington and it is disheartening that the Democrats are already fighting amongst themselves. It does not inspire confidence as a constituent that they will do the job that they were sent to do..

Edited November 16, 2018 by Apprentice79

[CheezyXpressed]

21 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I agreed with Whoopi actually; I hear the ageism all the time. Just because someone's old should have no relevance to their ability to do their job. It's something that's been lobbed at a lot of old people on the Dem side (which Joy herself pointed out when she said nobody says the same thing about McConnell), as if a youthful face somehow makes somebody a better option or more sincere. People are incredibly superficial.

If it is the Republicans who are complaining, then I think you and Whoopi have a point. But those on the left who are critical of the way Democrats run things, which include Pelosi, are probably just wondering how she fits into the growing movement that the party is having. That isn't to say that people like Pelosi or Schumer are bad or that they haven't done great things, but they do seem out of touch with the changes in their own party.

[OnTime]

Sunny's  hair  extensions are a mess! She looks terrible.

[TheGreenKnight]

2 hours ago, CheezyXpressed said:

If it is the Republicans who are complaining, then I think you and Whoopi have a point. But those on the left who are critical of the way Democrats run things, which include Pelosi, are probably just wondering how she fits into the growing movement that the party is having. That isn't to say that people like Pelosi or Schumer are bad or that they haven't done great things, but they do seem out of touch with the changes in their own party.

I don't think it's just about Republicans and I don't think what you're saying is true about the majority of people complaining about Pelosi either. I would say more, but I don't want to veer off-topic from what was on the show.

[Jewell2]

2 hours ago, Cementhead said:

Is that pink thing in Whoopi's hair supposed to be there??  It looks like a chunk of confetti.  I was waiting for Abby to pull it out but I guess it's supposed to be there.

Abby is too scared of Whoopi to touch her!

[rcc]

Oh I don't know about that. The other day Abby touched Whoopi's arm while they were laughing about something. It seemed natural too. Surprising as it seemed to me at the time.

[Cementhead]

30 minutes ago, Jewell2 said:

Abby is too scared of Whoopi to touch her!

Ha!  Good point.  I would be scared to touch Whoopi, too somedays.  Depending on her mood.  You can usually read her mood pretty quickly.  She has been in a seemingly good one lately!

Edited November 16, 2018 by Cementhead