Amber: A Rill Woman Goes to Gel

[Tillshee]

SMDH.  Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse! This dude is straight up clowning Amber with his antics.  He couldn't care less. 

[Cherry Cola]

1 hour ago, Tillshee said:

SMDH.  Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse! This dude is straight up clowning Amber with his antics.  He couldn't care less. 

It's sad and so disrespectful of him to cheat multiple times.  Even worse that she takes it. 

With all the tweets, and text messages, this gets crazier by the minute.   Are they trying to go by the rule that there is no bad publicity?   Yeesh.  

Edited May 28, 2017 by Kimitria

[GreatKazu]

Instead of buying fake lie detector tests, Amber should get HIV/AIDs tested.

[Scarlett45]

59 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Instead of buying fake lie detector tests, Amber should get HIV/AIDs tested.

Anyone who's sexually active can get an STI, but given Matt's track record of having unprotected sex with several different people- the first thing Amber should be doing is going to the Dr. I wouldn't wish a disease on anyone, but I don't know why this crew is so non-chalant about STIs. The only person I see caring to protect themselves is Farrah, yet she gets a bad wrap for her work in the adult industry. 

[leighroda]

After reading the texts, I just cannot wrap my head around anyone even sexting Matt seriously. Even without knowing what I do about him, if he were just a random guy who was actually single, without all this stuff wrong with him, I just can't imagine any remote attraction, he just looks greasy I don't know how to describe it, just ick.

[SPLAIN]

19 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Anyone who's sexually active can get an STI, but given Matt's track record of having unprotected sex with several different people- the first thing Amber should be doing is going to the Dr. I wouldn't wish a disease on anyone, but I don't know why this crew is so non-chalant about STIs. The only person I see caring to protect themselves is Farrah, yet she gets a bad wrap for her work in the adult industry. 

It is beyond several people. There are at least 7 baby mama's, the rape victim, god knows how many other Matt rape victims are out there. The previous girlfriends who he didn't knock up, the constant side-pieces and one night stands throughout the years way before Amber ever came into the picture. Since Amber, who knows how many other girls he has been in physical contact with that haven't come forward. He may also go to some cheap prostitutes or find willing partners at the strip clubs who see him with so much cash in his hand. The possibilities are endless. Matt must have some sex addiction going on as well, but frankly, I don't care. Amber should indeed be tested for STDs at the very least, but with Matt's track record she'd be out of her fucking mind if she didn't get HIV and AIDS tested as well. If she ever goes through with the porn video and they bring in another partner other than Matt, the law would make them get tested.

If Amber ever came out with a positive test, Matt would never admit he gave it to her. He'd tell her "I forgive you for infecting me." 

Amber and her clan of clowns really laid into Farrah for her porn video. I am beyond hoping Amber goes through with the tape only because I want to hear what those heifers have to say. They had no problem bashing Farrah for her plastic surgery and yet, Amber and Maci have both gone under the knife. Their hypocrisy is outrageous. 

Edited May 28, 2017 by SPLAIN

[ginger90]

Have the porn talks been confirmed ? I only ask because maybe they thought they would just throw that out there, then announce they decided against it. Which of course would then be followed by wonderful support, and not "hate".

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

1 hour ago, leighroda said:

After reading the texts, I just cannot wrap my head around anyone even sexting Matt seriously. Even without knowing what I do about him, if he were just a random guy who was actually single, without all this stuff wrong with him, I just can't imagine any remote attraction, he just looks greasy I don't know how to describe it, just ick.

And his sexting game needs a LOT of work. Unsurprisingly, it's all about him and his body part. Ewww. 

[butterbody]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso/status/867474993524776960/video/1

This is just funny.

[Christina]

No matter how I word this, it's comes out sounding like I'm defending Shawn. So, I'm going to start off by saying that Shawn needs to stay off Twitter because he is blaming Tiffany for Matt's behavior. There's really not an excuse for that tweet.

Tiffany says that she told Kiki (TM Producer) about her behavior with Matt, and admits that she went along with the sexting and the meetings because he was investing in her business. Kiki didn't do anything about it, but did try and cut her out of the special. Then, according to Scuzzy, she played the messages from Tiffany to Kiki for Matt to hear. I doubt it, she probably told him she had spoken to her and Tiffany didn't want to be in the special any longer, but Matt embellished the truth to keep Tiffany in an inferior position to him.

Then, somehow, Tiffany reaches out to Shawn and his girlfriend to tell them how awful Matt is and they confirm that he is trash. I'm not sure what she wanted them to do about it, or if she just wanted to be heard, but her next step was to give an interview and send the contents of her cell phone to Enty. The actual phone was mailed to Shawn. So, she reaches out several times to different people, doesn't get a result, and now the texts and a photo of Scuzzy's penis Jeff are floating around online. 

It looks like when she reached out to Shawn it was done under the guise of him needing to protect his sister, and his girlfriend responds that he is trying, and the attention ramps up to overdrive with the data dump to Enty. Shawn is seeing it as an attention seeking move on her part.

[MissMel]

I'm unclear if Tiffany is the same person that wanted to give the texts/phone to TheAshley.  TheAshley confirmed the texts came from Matt's phone but couldn't verify all people involved?  Or something close to that.  TheAshley decided not to publish the story.  Does any one recall the details better?

Other than that, @Christina, I think you have a pretty good theory there.  I would add that it looks like Shawn doesn't want to look like he isn't fully supportive of his sister.  Maybe it's for her safety?  Who knows.  This is all crazy.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

Entylawyer is tweeting again 

[JZone]

Remember at the end of last episode when Amber was trying to articulate why she was so scared to marry Matt, and she started to say something about how things could go wrong after they get married and Matt could run off and cheat (or something to that effect). And Matt so calmly laughed it off and told her she has nothing to worry about and acted as though just the thought of that is absurd because she's his everything (or whatever BS lines he fed her). He played the completely supportive and loving fiance role to a tee, knowing he recently cheated on her multiple times with Tiffany - twice in the flesh, plus his sexting. He really has no conscious. 

The sad thing is, if/when this shit show of a relationship finally comes to an end, Amber is going to be an emotional wreck. Meanwhile, you just know Matt's gonna walk away from this without so much of a second thought. Reading all these texts to Tiffany just shows how little he cares about Amber. Not only is he having sex with another woman, but he's putting out feelers for a relationship with her (the whole "proposing" and flirting thing), despite being engaged. This is just a game to him at this point.

Edited May 29, 2017 by JZone

[ClassyCourtHeels]

From this day forward Jeff will no longer be referred to as Pokah Buddy Jeff. 

He shall be know as Poke Her Buddy in light of the recent texts.

[MissMel]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso  is posting excerpts from his 'book'.  I hope Amber's mom pulls a Babs and demands to see her daughter.  It's way past time for someone to tell Amber "everyone else can't be wrong and only you are right".  Even if 50% of all this is lies, that leaves the other 50% extremely questionable.  That's not normal.  Girl needs detox, a supportive and truthful family, and some time away to process things.  

[butterbody]

If your brain hurts from trying to keep all this deliciousness straight, here's a pretty comprehensive timeline thus far:

 http://starcasm.net/archives/370522

[mamadrama]

I have to say...as much as I LOVE snarking on Matt and this Twitter storm has me salivating (unlike his dick pic) the whole episode last week actually triggered me. And I hate that word "triggered." I think this might be one of the only times I have ever used it. I grew up in an abusive household. Despite being independent, what I believe to be intelligent, and having a pretty good insight about the situation, it still screwed with me. It set the stage for an abusive relationship as an adult. I was also sexually harassed at work and like others who have shared their stories, although I was treated with respect by the board (who totally believed me) and my supervisor was disciplined, the rest of the staff ostracized me and treated me like I was a problem. I was never really comfortable working in a group environment again, which is why I went into the business that I am in now. It has taken me almost 40 years to come to terms with my childhood and to push through the issues it caused. I am usually okay with things. Matt's actions just take me back to feelings I wish I didn't have to deal with. 

[KittyKat133]

For those of you who missed matts "relapse" excuse here it is. 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/05/26/matt-baier-says-a-pill-relapse-was-to-blame-for-his-vegas-rant-shown-on-teen-mom-og/

 

how convenient! Also I love how he throws in that he was always sober aroubd Leah. So he's this raging pill freak but won't use when Leah comes..... righhhttt.... so what then? He just went through awful withdrawals when they had her?? He doesn't mention that which seems weird for an addict!  Such a bull shit artist.

[CofCinci]

4 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I have to say...as much as I LOVE snarking on Matt and this Twitter storm has me salivating (unlike his dick pic) the whole episode last week actually triggered me. And I hate that word "triggered." I think this might be one of the only times I have ever used it. I grew up in an abusive household. Despite being independent, what I believe to be intelligent, and having a pretty good insight about the situation, it still screwed with me. It set the stage for an abusive relationship as an adult. I was also sexually harassed at work and like others who have shared their stories, although I was treated with respect by the board (who totally believed me) and my supervisor was disciplined, the rest of the staff ostracized me and treated me like I was a problem. I was never really comfortable working in a group environment again, which is why I went into the business that I am in now. It has taken me almost 40 years to come to terms with my childhood and to push through the issues it caused. I am usually okay with things. Matt's actions just take me back to feelings I wish I didn't have to deal with. 

Sending you some positive vibes. 

1 hour ago, KittyKat133 said:

For those of you who missed matts "relapse" excuse here it is. 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/05/26/matt-baier-says-a-pill-relapse-was-to-blame-for-his-vegas-rant-shown-on-teen-mom-og/

 

how convenient! Also I love how he throws in that he was always sober aroubd Leah. So he's this raging pill freak but won't use when Leah comes..... righhhttt.... so what then? He just went through awful withdrawals when they had her?? He doesn't mention that which seems weird for an addict!  Such a bull shit artist.

Well, the kid never comes over so it's easy to avoid using drugs around her. 

Two of the most hysterical bits from this drama:

- Matt and Jeff had a threesome with some chickie that worked at a CVS just last year. 

- Tiffany thought she could confide all this information to Produver Kiki. What a ducking idiot. 

Edited May 29, 2017 by CofCinci

[AmyFarrahFowler]

2 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

For those of you who missed matts "relapse" excuse here it is. 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/05/26/matt-baier-says-a-pill-relapse-was-to-blame-for-his-vegas-rant-shown-on-teen-mom-og/

 

how convenient! Also I love how he throws in that he was always sober aroubd Leah. So he's this raging pill freak but won't use when Leah comes..... righhhttt.... so what then? He just went through awful withdrawals when they had her?? He doesn't mention that which seems weird for an addict!  Such a bull shit artist.

^^This. If this "relapse" is true, how were withdrawals handled? I don't care who you are, if you are taking enough painkillers to cause that kind of behavior you are going to go through some pretty major withdrawals. There is just no avoiding it. Did he have a constant severe case of the flu every week when Bew Bew visited?

[MissMel]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso/status/869051119275659264/video/1

This is the video from the day after Gary told Amber about Matt's 200 children, not just the 2 he admitted to having.

Look at how not-bloated she is here

and in regular people clothes.

Watch the video to see him fight back an evil grin when she says 'I'm breaking'.  He knew his plan was working, full force.  I'm not posting a grab of his greasy, nasty, fugly mug.  

[100percent Pain]

So If this assault of Tiffany happened in Vegas..was it the same night he tried to manipulate Amber into that evil trap of marrying him? She refused,he lost his shit, became pure evil before our eyes. Later on, goes into Tiffany's room and helps himself to her (takes his anger out on her). Then texts her later that he can't wait to get away from Amber. And pisses and moans how "he financed" their whole trip.

Just trying to understand the 'when' of the assault as it pertains to the "wedding meltdown'

Also, on 'Being Matt'...he and producers clearly had some issues. They hate him. But also appease him. This is all while knowing what he's been up to. It's sick.

Matt is one creepy,nasty sociopath. MTV is greedy,and disgusting. Amber is weak and brainwashed, too stubborn and proud to say that she was played, and should have listened to everyone else.

Gary needs to keep his daughter away for good until this maniac is gone.

Edited to add: I just read that there were two Vegas trips. The first aired on TMOG-the wedding and Matt meltdown. The second around New Year's Eve...with the Tiffany assault.

Edited May 29, 2017 by 100percent Pain
Because this timeline is damn confusing.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

19 minutes ago, 100percent Pain said:

 

Gary needs to keep his daughter away for good until this maniac is gone.

And for a long time after he's gone. Just because Matt's gone doesn't magically make Amber capable of making good decisions as a mother to Leah. I think she'll need to prove herself before she should be trusted with her daughter.

[jacksgirl]

100% yes to AmyFarrahFowler and 100 Percent Pain. Time for Gary and Kristina to go to court and keep Leah away from Matt. Her safety is in peril.

[MissMel]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso/status/869016970234019840/photo/1

Um, I don't think Krystal really said any of that...

Better known as 'Matt Refresher Course'

[100percent Pain]

1 hour ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

And for a long time after he's gone. Just because Matt's gone doesn't magically make Amber capable of making good decisions as a mother to Leah. I think she'll need to prove herself before she should be trusted with her daughter.

Absolutely! Amber shouldn't be trusted with Leah. She sleeps all day, is high on something, Emotionally abuses Leah with her "What about me?" guilt. Poor kid. Once Matt is gone, it won't be long before she moves some other bottom feeder into their lives. Amber may end up with limited, supervised visitation after this mess. Gary is paying close attention.

[ginger90]

Quote

. Gary is paying close attention.

 

 

As he should. But in real time or as the shit is coming out on the show?

[toodywoody]

ok. I missed something, what happened with the assault on Tiffany?

[CofCinci]

25 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

ok. I missed something, what happened with the assault on Tiffany?

Nothing. I think items are being released so quickly that no one has the opportunity to address her sexual assault allegations. It's hard too keep up!  She wouldn't be the first woman to claim that Matt assaulted her. Hopefully Tiffany doesn't commit suicide like the other victim. 

[EmeraldGirl]

Yeah, Krystal sure doesn't have a pokah face. 

Gary seems to be finding all this shit out now. 

It's just ... gross. How the hell can someone so sticky, icky, and dumpy con women into sex? Or sharing money. If I were Gary I would need Amber drug tested before I let my child near those people. She's very loopy (well, even more than usual).

What was with that constant swearing with her brother? It felt like she was trying to be all bad ass like she thinks Matt is. That guy would get beaten down in an instant if he didn't choose emotionally fragile women as his targets. Bubby could probably bury him. And so could Farrah. 

Lots of radio silence from her her gals - Maci, Catelynn and Tyler. I hope to hell theyre on the phone with her trying to get that guy outta there. I don't know about C&T, but Maci doesn't seem the type that would accept a Matt.  

Wait what - who committed suicide? 

Edited May 29, 2017 by EmeraldGirl

[CofCinci]

14 minutes ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Wait what - who committed suicide? 

http://starcasm.net/archives/343476

 

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/teen-mom-amber-portwood-fiance-sexual-assault-restraining-order-scandal-alleged-victim-suicide/

Edited May 29, 2017 by CofCinci

[EmeraldGirl]

Good God. With all the penis talk I missed a little thing like a suicide.

 (Wish I'd missed the first little thing) 

[toodywoody]

So is he going to blame his addiction to pills on that too? That he blacked out? 

Dude is seriously whacked out. How many women has he been with? He has 7 baby mommas, 2 people he slept with since he was with Amber (probably more), there was the lady that had an organization that he conned, just so many women, then there is the rape victim. So is all his behavior TOWARDS women to be blamed on his drug/alcohol/being a fucking sleeze problem. Come on Amber, he is turning into Matt Cosby.

[100percent Pain]

2 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Yeah, Krystal sure doesn't have a pokah face. 

Gary seems to be finding all this shit out now. 

It's just ... gross. How the hell can someone so sticky, icky, and dumpy con women into sex? Or sharing money. If I were Gary I would need Amber drug tested before I let my child near those people. She's very loopy (well, even more than usual).

What was with that constant swearing with her brother? It felt like she was trying to be all bad ass like she thinks Matt is. That guy would get beaten down in an instant if he didn't choose emotionally fragile women as his targets. Bubby could probably bury him. And so could Farrah. 

Lots of radio silence from her her gals - Maci, Catelynn and Tyler. I hope to hell theyre on the phone with her trying to get that guy outta there. I don't know about C&T, but Maci doesn't seem the type that would accept a Matt.  

Wait what - who committed suicide? 

Yes a thousand times to this. Where is their outrage? Where is their refusal to be on the show with him? Mostly, where is their support of Amber? Hopefully it's there but just not being made public.

[toodywoody]

Exactly, why would they even want to be in the same damn room with this asshole that is playing their beloved friend.  But they are so damn busy calling Farrah names that the real fucking monster gets a fucking pass from them. Total assholes 

[jacksgirl]

Emerald Girl, love how you included Tyler as one of the girls, you sneaky one you.

[mamadrama]

5 hours ago, MissMel said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anon_Mafioso/status/869016970234019840/photo/1

Um, I don't think Krystal really said any of that...

 

Better known as 'Matt Refresher Course'

Yeah. Uh...what a piece of work. And I absolutely hate the way he talks to the readers in his book. "You've seen her on the show." He really DOES think he is all that and, to be fair, since the production company and MTV never give him any repercussions for his actions, he's got reason to. 

Amber is looking damn near cartoonish. I actually like the cartoony look of Dolly Parton and I thought Anna Nicole Smith was adorable (when she wasn't clearly on something and not in control of her actions) but Amber just looks...odd. Her clothing is weird. I like old Hollywood and I tend to dress kind of "out there" but my clothing actually fits and does not make me look 20 years older and heavier than I am. 

Matt never takes responsibility for anything. AMBER begged him to stay. KRYSTAL talked Amber into taking him back. JEFF sent the dick pic and chatted up Farrah. The PILLS made him say and do those things he did. The baby mamas have it out for him, the haterz have it out for him, and I am assuming he believes the producers do as well.

One thing abusers are really good at doing is creating isolation. They make their victim believe that the world is out to get them. It's an "us against the world" mentality. They get their victim to believe that there's nobody in the world they can trust but them. Matt is good at that. I hope one of his fake-autographed guitars falls on his head and, while he's passed out, the dogs take turn using him as a pee pad. 

[KittyKat133]

At this point I don't even think she is doing any illegal drugs. I think Matt has convinced her that she is "clinically" depressed rather than just depressed because of the situations he puts her in. To me it seems like she is on heavy duty antidepressants. She also seems totally completely brainwashed. People who are emotionally abused and under an abusers control often act like they are on drugs. Matt probably ups her dosage of Xanax or colodopin (or whatever anti anxiety med she's on, it's certainly not a lexapro!) without her even realizing it.. 

[leighroda]

So Matt says Krystal is/was firmly team Matt, yet when he appeared she disappeared... I know a lot of people (myself included) doubted Krystal's motivation...  and now I believe Amber deserves what is coming since she is so adamant we're dumb and she's smart... but I bet soon Amber is gonna miss the days when her biggest concern was someone using her to get their nails done and a couple minutes on tv.

[jacksgirl]

I get that TPTB at MTV love all this drama. I am convinced that the weirder this all gets, the more social media gets involved and the more crazy the "talent" the better for the ratings. But I really wish someone from MTV would speak out against Matt and the way he spoke to the producer. What he said to her was sexist and reprehensible. Cannot wait for either the show to be cancelled, Amber to kick Matt to the curb and/or the money to dry up.

[CofCinci]

44 minutes ago, jacksgirl said:

I get that TPTB at MTV love all this drama. I am convinced that the weirder this all gets, the more social media gets involved and the more crazy the "talent" the better for the ratings. But I really wish someone from MTV would speak out against Matt and the way he spoke to the producer. What he said to her was sexist and reprehensible. Cannot wait for either the show to be cancelled, Amber to kick Matt to the curb and/or the money to dry up.

The Producer is not an MTV employee. They are contracted through 11th Street Productions. 

[jacksgirl]

CofCinci, you are a font of knowledge for sure. Ok. Then TPTB  at 11st Street Productions need to step up and condemn Matt's behaviors.

[ginger90]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattbEPT/status/869331563850420226/photo/1

[leighroda]

So, I've been thinking about the whole "who got heather fired scenario" I really have no idea which way I lean between it being Farrah or Matt and Ambah's fault, it's a weird situation. 

If one is to believe it was Farrah and Heather being too close, it just doesn't make sense to me, it makes sense that the producers shouldn't get too close to the moms, but that ship long sailed, almost all the girls are close to their producers. Isn't C&T's producer Nova's godparent? That's a lifetime bond, I would say that's worse than a producer spending the night. The only way I could see it being the Farrah episode is if Heather broke confidentiality during a late night heart to heart. Kiki also broke confidentiality when she actively convinced Tiffany to confide in her, then ran to Matt with the info. I don't know the context of her sharing info with Matt, it could have been to confront him or something, so I'm not sure if there is any fault in that scenario. 

I do know it's really skeevy of Kiki to go on and on about how she could be trusted only to break that.  I have a job that makes me a mandatory reporter, so  if I think someone is about to disclose something I would have to report, I usually remind them I am a mandatory reporter, just so it's clear that if I have to tell, it's not because I want to break their trust or don't care, and I also don't solicit them for information by promising to keep it secret, that's just wrong in my opinion. Anyway, my point is, Kiki should keep her mouth shut.

[SPLAIN]

21 minutes ago, leighroda said:

So, I've been thinking about the whole "who got heather fired scenario" I really have no idea which way I lean between it being Farrah or Matt and Ambah's fault, it's a weird situation. 

If one is to believe it was Farrah and Heather being too close, it just doesn't make sense to me, it makes sense that the producers shouldn't get too close to the moms, but that ship long sailed, almost all the girls are close to their producers. Isn't C&T's producer Nova's godparent? That's a lifetime bond, I would say that's worse than a producer spending the night. The only way I could see it being the Farrah episode is if Heather broke confidentiality during a late night heart to heart. Kiki also broke confidentiality when she actively convinced Tiffany to confide in her, then ran to Matt with the info. I don't know the context of her sharing info with Matt, it could have been to confront him or something, so I'm not sure if there is any fault in that scenario. 

I do know it's really skeevy of Kiki to go on and on about how she could be trusted only to break that.  I have a job that makes me a mandatory reporter, so  if I think someone is about to disclose something I would have to report, I usually remind them I am a mandatory reporter, just so it's clear that if I have to tell, it's not because I want to break their trust or don't care, and I also don't solicit them for information by promising to keep it secret, that's just wrong in my opinion. Anyway, my point is, Kiki should keep her mouth shut.

MTV is lying about Heather's firing. Isn't she an independent contractor? How could they fire her? Wouldn't the production company be the ones to fire her and the rest of the production crew?

You are right about the producer being a god-parent. If that doesn't cross a boundary, how is it Heather spending the night at Farrah's make it worthy of her losing her job? I will believe Simon. He has been on point pretty much with what he has revealed. His revelation about Heather knowing too much about Matt and Amber's private life rings true with what happened during that time period when Amber threatened to quit the show. Thinking back to that time period, it seems it was Matt egging on Amber to tell MTV she would quit if Heather is not replaced. Matt knows he can leave the show, but it will continue without him. Amber is a different story. 

Speaking of producers, is Larry still on the show? 

[Christina]

My guess is that Kiki told Matt and Amber that Tiffany wanted to be cut out of the episode, Matt knew why without Kiki having to tell him, he is the one who claims Kiki played information for him and he is an unapologetic liar. They had filmed a segment with Tiffany about the business they were going to invest in with her, making it sound like they were helping a cancer patient and single mother. Only, Tiffany figured out she had been used and reached out to Kiki to ask that she not air her in the special. 

Based on the texts I read, and it wasn't all of them because I'm already bored with the story, it looks like Tiffany was feeling violated and used, Matt was trying to figure out what evidence she had that could be used to prove their relationship, and after finding out she kept everything, he started threatening her. Back when his special aired, one of her friends posted a short audio clip of him telling her that the police and lawyers were involved and she and her friends needed to stop. In the last data dump, there were threats from Amber, too, that lawyers were involved and Tiffany said, "Great! You realize that helps me?" Finally, she had enough with the harassment and contacted Enty.

Why The Ashley didn't post the story is beyond me, but that site has lost a lot of the benefit of the doubt with me since they posted an article claiming Jace heard voices, when the audio clearly didn't say that, and since then, I've caught several little things that aren't correct. Maybe her source was Heather, who no longer works there, so she doesn't have the inside information she used to have, but she's wrong more and more often. This type of article was right up her alley, but she decided not to publish it, so Tiffany took it somewhere else. That article is linked here but I didn't go back and look for it to name the website.

The producers being buddy buddy with the "talent" (gag) has to happen here because it happens in all reality shows. I don't know what Kiki did in this situation, but I know I don't believe a word that spews forth from Scuzzy's mouth, so I think it is more likely she told him Tiffany wanted cut from the special because of what happened between them, and he told Tiffany she played the voice messages for him to keep her in an inferior position, like he is more powerful than her, because he is sleazy.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

20 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I have to say...as much as I LOVE snarking on Matt and this Twitter storm has me salivating (unlike his dick pic) the whole episode last week actually triggered me. And I hate that word "triggered." I think this might be one of the only times I have ever used it. I grew up in an abusive household. Despite being independent, what I believe to be intelligent, and having a pretty good insight about the situation, it still screwed with me. It set the stage for an abusive relationship as an adult. I was also sexually harassed at work and like others who have shared their stories, although I was treated with respect by the board (who totally believed me) and my supervisor was disciplined, the rest of the staff ostracized me and treated me like I was a problem. I was never really comfortable working in a group environment again, which is why I went into the business that I am in now. It has taken me almost 40 years to come to terms with my childhood and to push through the issues it caused. I am usually okay with things. Matt's actions just take me back to feelings I wish I didn't have to deal with. 

Mamadrama, unfortunately I understand what you're saying.

I've struggled to like Amber since Matt entered the picture and at times wanted her to get her just desserts, but I'm honestly worried as hell about her at this point- that Matt will hurt her or she will hurt herself.

8 hours ago, 100percent Pain said:

Yes a thousand times to this. Where is their outrage? Where is their refusal to be on the show with him? Mostly, where is their support of Amber? Hopefully it's there but just not being made public.

Farrah: Has a bitchy personality, lies sometimes, talks down to people, does porn --> No! We won't film with her!

Matt: sexual abuser, sexual harasser of a woman they work with (Kerthy), conman, left several pregnant girlfriends & spouses, didn't raise hardly any of his gazillion kids, has cheated on their friend multiple times, is leeching off their friend, and they've seen their friend lose any progress she made in prison & go into a depression since he's been around --> Of course we'll film with him! There's a free trip and booze, right?

[druzy]

"Hey- are you guys going to leave me some money?" Butch is babysitting. 

Maci has a high opinion of herself.

Did anyone notice Cate smoking?

That didn't look like a fun vacation. 

[Brooklynista]

I wish there was a cure for whatever jumbles Farrah's brain in one on one conversations. I would love it if she read Cate for filth for routinely using a crackhead as her goto babysitter.

[TeenMomAngerMgmt]

I usually hate this line of reasoning, but it's super apropro here. If the genders were reversed and it were Gary filmed abusing Amber and Gary associated with a scuzzball woman with enough kids to make a football team and Gary accused of being with a sexual predator there would be no defense. He would not have people dismissing detractors as "haters". Hell, he would probably still be in jail and/or not seeing Leah unsupervised. That's why Amber is and will always be trash to me.