S06.E15: Doppelganger

[BkWurm1]

Diaz ordered no kill shots but Oliver was stabbing a lot of goons in the chest with arrows.  I really wish I knew if we were supposed to think he was killing people.  And given that he was at the very least incapacitating goons, why couldn't he at least make sure Diaz wasn't at 100 percent the next time he saw him?  Why leave him unscathed?  This makes no sense. 

I wonder how Diggle is able to make such an accurate assessment of Roy's injuries.  "Two broken ribs and a pulmonary contusion."  Sure the ribs are easy enough to figure out if one has experience, but the internal damage?  How do they know what it is limited to? (And yes, if Roy has two broken ribs, he must have been REALLY motivated to sex Thea up at the end.  Either that or they have upped the strength of Diggle's 'aspirin') Do they have an MRI or x-ray machine in the Bunker?  I mean, they SHOULD, but have we seen it? 

I too missed noticing Oliver and Felicity holding hands in that scene.  It's lovely.  :D  But now I want fanfic writers to give me the missing scene where Roy finds out about Oliver and Felicity being married.  I suppose last he knew they were engaged, so he also needs to know about the break up and William and THEN the wedding, lol.  

Ugh.  That scene at the end with Oliver and BS.  Yeah, him knocking on the door and a pissed off LL opening it brings back a lot of bad memories.  But Oliver IMO was just there to lay some ground rules and let her know he was watching.  I don't think he has any real delusions but for now, is playing along for Lance's sake and because BS might be a good source of intel if they really get lucky.  There is no love lost there.  He looked pained having to say thank you.  He had about the same emotional level as he did when he dropped by Dinah's apartment not too long ago.

Overall, I think it was a good episode, but I still don't have a clue where the show intends to go with all these storylines.  

[JamieLynn832002]

I really didn't get the plan with Roy as star witness because even beyond his fairly extensive criminal history, I really don't think the beaten nearly to death witness is going to look super willing or credible. I know one of the  thugs said something about not leaving marks but I don't think that means what he thinks it means because Roy was really beaten up.

[Guest]

I'm still not sure I'd call this a great episode tbh. I think it just probably looks/feels that way after the last few weeks. Haha.

As I said before there was some great moments about it but overall, meh.

[BkWurm1]

1 hour ago, Primal Slayer said:

What happened to Anatoly? Did Diggle grab him? Leave him behind? What?

Pretty sure Diggle said both Anatoly and Diaz were let go by the corrupt SCPD.  Not sure if they were treated as bad guys and allowed to escape or not even arrested in the first place.  

[Hiveminder]

At least this episode wasn’t rage inducing. Probably because Rene wasn’t in it. 

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

Diaz ordered no kill shots but Oliver was stabbing a lot of goons in the chest with arrows.  I really wish I knew if we were supposed to think he was killing people.     This makes no sense.

Oliver watched Barry let Thawne go at the end of the crossover and thought "Hey, what a great idea!"

1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

 But now I want fanfic writers to give me the missing scene where Roy finds out about Oliver and Felicity being married.  I suppose last he knew they were engaged, so he also needs to know about the break up and William and THEN the wedding, lol.  

Am I forgetting something?  Roy left in s3 before Oliver and Felicity got together. She was still with Ray then.

Edited March 9, 2018 by statsgirl

[Mellowyellow]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

 

Am I forgetting something?  Roy left in s3 before Oliver and Felicity got together. She was still with Ray then.

S4 Roy was forced by the The Calculator to steal stuff so he presumably knew about Oliver and Felicity.

[SmallScreenDiva]

11 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Am I forgetting something?  Roy left in s3 before Oliver and Felicity got together. She was still with Ray then.

He knew about Felicity getting paralyzed when he came back in S4 so I think he knew all about the engagement and the shooting. Plus Felicity gave him a sat phone first time he left so I imagine he was getting updates.

[Cthulhudrew]

If I ever get to make a tv show, I'm going to make it a point to have one designated set that is not in a police station, workplace, or other public forum where my characters can all go to have private conversations. 

(Exactly how many times did they use the interrogation room for hush-hush talks this ep? And they did something similar on Black Lightning the other day, too. Ugh.)

I actually like this twist with Laurel pretending to be the real Laurel. That's pretty clever, both of the writers and of Black Siren (uncharacteristically of her, admittedly). I don't think it needed to take the writers an entire season to come up with the ploy, but it's a welcome change. 

(On that note, I see that Christos and Ruth Gage wrote this ep. Probably why it is better than usual. I used to really enjoy CG's comic work. I still reread his Deadshot mini every now and then. *Sigh*. Can we get Michael Rowe back on the show?)

ETA: Looks like Team Gage just plotted the show, but Speed Weed did the writing. Good combo, either way you slice it.

Edited March 9, 2018 by Cthulhudrew

[AudienceofOne]

Here's the thing, I love this show, I love these characters, I love the concept. But at this stage, the whole thing is just in a perpetual death spiral. The plot is running in a perpetual circle, slowly down the drain. We have literally seen all this before. It's making it hard to care. 

[bijoux]

3 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

Did Zoe say the babysitter had left 2 hours ago? She seems old enough to be at home alone (wait, how old is Zoey?) but what horrible fellow NTA people are Dinah and/or Curtis that no one immediately thought to go be with her. Curtis strolled up to the door, no hurry. 

Actually, I was surprised that Rene could afford an overnight sitter, because he was injured and hospitalized during the night and Curtis clearly came around in daytime. Only thing I can think of is Oliver and/or Felicity asking Raisa to watch her until one of the idiots remembered her.

One more thing about Thea/Roy sex, is the loft really the best idea to go to? Despite the actor's portrayal we're obviously supposed to think Dick is smart, since he knows all of TA's identities, including Thea, who hasn't been active in literal years, and was able to find Roy, whose whereabouts not even Felicity knew. Figuring out that he might be at Thea's place doesn't really seem that hard.

Man, that first scene in the interrogation room needed Dramamine with all the swaying KC was doing to and fro. And I'm not blaming only her, obviously the director at least signed off on it given the camera following her. I suppose it speaks to my level of involvement when my reaction to the hug between "Laurel" and Oliver was, boy, KC has manlier hands than SA. Speaking of "Laurel", I loved Anatoly's bit about whether she was Laurel or Laurel. Hee. I hate that they defangled him, I feel he'd be much more effective than Diaz and BS put together.

Oliver being thanks, but no, thanks, was a highlight. My only regret is that more of the idiot squad wasn't at the receiving end. As for the diaz storyline, I loved Roy's, Sure, do you have health and dental. 

[AudienceofOne]

10 minutes ago, bijoux said:

Man, that first scene in the interrogation room needed Dramamine with all the swaying KC was doing to and fro.

What about the fight scene? I was really looking forward to Speedy being back in the field because the stunt fighter they usually use for her is AMAZING. But instead I felt like I was in a student art film rendition of the Blair Witch Project. 

14 minutes ago, bijoux said:

One more thing about Thea/Roy sex, is the loft really the best idea to go to? Despite the actor's portrayal we're obviously supposed to think Dick is smart, since he knows all of TA's identities, including Thea, who hasn't been active in literal years, and was able to find Roy, whose whereabouts not even Felicity knew.

All I could think about the second that scene started was the windows. I'm literally yelling, "THE WINDOWS, MORONS". Worst. Vigilantes. Ever. 

1 hour ago, JamieLynn832002 said:

I really didn't get the plan with Roy as star witness because even beyond his fairly extensive criminal history, I really don't think the beaten nearly to death witness is going to look super willing or credible. I know one of the  thugs said something about not leaving marks but I don't think that means what he thinks it means because Roy was really beaten up.

"Where's your witness?"

"Dead, your Honour".

And then they turned around at the end and said their star witness didn't matter when Roy testifying was the only thing that stopped the judge throwing out the case. So the case should be DOI now but apparently it's not for reasons. 

[bijoux]

24 minutes ago, AudienceofOne said:

What about the fight scene? I was really looking forward to Speedy being back in the field because the stunt fighter they usually use for her is AMAZING. But instead I felt like I was in a student art film rendition of the Blair Witch Project. 

Honestly, the only stunt that stood out was Oliver yanking Thea out of the window. Which was (1) an awesome visual, (2) hilarious, (3) important because if she had stayed, it would have only resulted in pain, (4) very reflective of a relationship between an older and a younger sibling, and (5) you were just waiting for Thea's explosion afterwards. This reminds me of Thea's joining the mission. Because she'd be an easier fit for a ventilation shaft. Which made a surprising amount of sense when she brought it up. Then of course we see the vent and it's huge! Oliver and Dig could have probably both fit at the same time if they only took shallow breaths.

[Mellowyellow]

Tolerable today

Needs like A LOT more Felicity but overall it was ok.

I've realised I don't hate Dinah that much. I fast forwarded Curtis and WD is nowhere to be seen so I was totally chilled. I need Curtis to die! Even though Felicity didn't get much screen time this week I like her doing HER OWN THING BY HERSELF in the lair instead of having to share it with Curtis! Go away Curtis nobody likes you! I will trade Curtis for anyone. He is my pet peeve this season and is working his way to Shady Susie Pantry Moth levels of hatred from me.

LOVED the scene where Oliver rejected Dinah's help! She was all high and mighty "Yeah fine just this once I'll help you." I don't think I've felt such glee in a while!

LOVED the Green Arrow just shooting an arrow and flying into this air! So ridiculously awesome! 

That final scene with Oliver and "Laurel" amused me no end! Yes Reddit you were right! It was TOTALLY reminisce of S1/2 where he looked fed up with any shit that involved her and just wanted to be done with it.

***

I believed Oliver's Olicity face for this season is "Blissed out" face. I've seen it several times now! I was looking for a facial theme this season and SA has not disappointed me!

It's usually Oliver has a shit day or shit happens, Oliver sees Felicity or talks to Felicity, Oliver looks like he's been shot with a dose of happy drugs and voila Blissed Out face! I like it! 

[Soulfire]

For Science --

[cambridgeguy]

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He knew about Felicity getting paralyzed when he came back in S4 so I think he knew all about the engagement and the shooting. Plus Felicity gave him a sat phone first time he left so I imagine he was getting updates.

If Roy has been keeping up with the news then he should know all about Oliver and Felicity getting married.  A former billionaire playboy who become the mayor of the crappiest city in America AND get accused of being a vigilante by the Feds will be talked about in the entire country.

I get Oliver wanting Thea to run off with Roy to be happy but can he really afford to lose her?  Since she's gotten back she seems to be doing most of the actual work in the mayor's office, especially with Quentin having lost his damned mind.

[Lady Calypso]

6 hours ago, bijoux said:

Actually, I was surprised that Rene could afford an overnight sitter, because he was injured and hospitalized during the night and Curtis clearly came around in daytime. Only thing I can think of is Oliver and/or Felicity asking Raisa to watch her until one of the idiots remembered her.

I mean, how else is Rene going to fight crime at night if he doesn't have an overnight babysitter? I'm surprised he has a sitter at all, but maybe working in the Mayor's office gives him good money or good connections to sitters. Basically, just another reason for Rene to owe Oliver for what he's done for him, rather than Rene throwing a temper tantrum.

I did enjoy the episode overall, but it wasn't too hard to be better than the last few episodes. Too little Roy, in my opinion. There needed to be more Roy. Like, lots more Roy. I also needed a scene of him finding out about everything he's missed. But it was nice to see him and Thea back together again. Man, I don't care that their kiss was fan pandering, or pandering for Willa. I squeed like a high school girl because Thea/Roy will always be my second favourite couple on this show. It pained me when Thea was with other guys because they weren't Roy. So, Oliver plants the seed for Thea to go with Roy after all of this is over. I'm guessing we may see Thea leave with Roy soon. Hey, that's fine with me. They're underutilizing one of their best actresses, so it's the show's loss. 

The first time I've really enjoyed Katie Cassidy on this show, in all honesty. She was milking her scenes for all they were worth (besides her last scene, which gave me S1 Lauriver nightmares). She was actually emoting by overemoting, and she looked to be having a blast. Do I want her sticking around? Nope, she's still evil. But this was a good episode for her. 

Dinah....kind of chilled out from the moment Oliver told her about the corrupt cops. But she's still not a great person. I did laugh at her begrudgingly going to "suffer" through working with Oliver out in the field, only for him to completely turn her down. FINALLY! Six episodes later, and he finally bitches off at one of NTA. Seriously though, I like Dinah more than Rene and I think I like her more than Curtis at this point. I genuinely did like her last season....when she wasn't Smuggy McBitch Face. So she had a moment of dropping that in this episode, and it worked for me. But nah, still would prefer she left at the end of the season. She can do Black Canary things in Hub City or something. She can take Curtis with her. Rene can take his daughter elsewhere as well. 

Quentin just needs to stop. Man, are you on Black Siren's side or not? Do you trust her or not? Do you think she's your daughter or not? Make up your damn mind! I did like the throwaway line about telling Dinah Lance offscreen so she didn't come back to Star City in a panic. 

I sighed in happiness when we saw Team Arrow reunited. That's how it should be: OTA+Roy & Thea. Throw in Rory Regan as an occasional team member, and I've gotten my perfect team. 

Kirk Avocado needs to stop with his mumbling. I could barely understand him, especially in the scene with Oliver shooting to the moon. 

[AudienceofOne]

35 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Dinah....kind of chilled out from the moment Oliver told her about the corrupt cops. But she's still not a great person.

Her self-righteous speech to Quentin about Laurel being a criminal was so unbelievably hypocritical after her 'torture and cold-blooded murder plan' last episode that I decided she is the worst of NTA. And she has some serious competition. 

[statsgirl]

I think I would have appreciated this episode more if it hadn't followed so many episodes of meh.  While I cognitively appreciate Roy being back/Thea in the field finally and KC playing the role I've been asking for her since s2, it feels a lot like s3 where Oliver was so stupid for so long, it killed my fun in the show.

7 hours ago, bijoux said:

Actually, I was surprised that Rene could afford an overnight sitter, because he was injured and hospitalized during the night and Curtis clearly came around in daytime. Only thing I can think of is Oliver and/or Felicity asking Raisa to watch her until one of the idiots remembered her.

One more thing about Thea/Roy sex, is the loft really the best idea to go to? Despite the actor's portrayal we're obviously supposed to think Dick is smart, since he knows all of TA's identities, including Thea, who hasn't been active in literal years, and was able to find Roy, whose whereabouts not even Felicity knew. Figuring out that he might be at Thea's place doesn't really seem that hard.

I know the set looked a lot like the loft but isn't Thea living in Laurel's old apartment now?  She told Oliver she didn't want to live at the loft because she'd been stabbed there and unless she moved back in when Felicity moved in with Oliver, Felicity is using it for her start-up.  Meanwhile I assume that BS is living with Quentin at his place.

While I really want Zoe to move in with Oliver till Rene gets better (is there room in the pantry) just to thumb his nose at Rene, she'll probably go back into child services poor kid.  Curtis should have offered to move into Rene's place to take care of her while her dad is away; it's the least he could do.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 hours ago, KenyaJ said:

Finally, no Rene, minimal Curtis, and Oliver telling Dinah he’d rather be shorthanded than take her out in the field was like a balm to my soul. I’m gonna need a lot more of Oliver making it clear to them how much they suck. He’s taken and taken and taken for this last few episodes, and it’s time for him to start giving back in spades.

PREACH! Now I know why this episode was so enjoyable (despite my cable freezing so that I missed a word here and there. It's been happening a LOT on the CW when I dvr)--No DONG with his hypocritical, doucheyass "this doesn't change things" and "HOSS" BULLSHIT; only 10 seconds of stutterbarck, and the uberly sublime smackdown (verbally) of Oliver telling her NO, he does NOT want her on his team, after her smug, taking a deep breath and condescending "okay, I'll work with you--BUT JUST THIS ONE TIME" after she assholey (that's a real word! and I'm using it!) told Oliver "don't talk to me!" after he said hello, walking past her. You know, being civil.

11 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

What was the point of DDDragon bringing Roy to the casino?  Was it just to make BS look like she was trying to play nice?  Because otherwise, it didn't accomplish anything, did it?  Unless we are supposed to think DDDragon threatening Thea while she's totally free somehow convinced Roy to play on his team?  It's pure crap to even suggest it, but then I'm back to the question of if there was any point to the Roy and Diaz scenes at all?

 

And despite what they said about even with Roy being missing it not changing the case against him, it really does.  If there is no testimony, there is no conviction.  

I didn't understand that, either, and when Marble Mush Mouth kept droning on and on and on, (I swear, all I hear when he mumbles is the 'wahwahwahwah' sound we get when adults are talking in the Charlie Brown cartoons) about hurting Thea. I really, really wanted Roy to just mock him and tell him to do his worst, because Thea didn't NEED any protection from Roy and could kick Marble Mush Mouth's ass. WHICH she did! For a bit.

10 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

I adored that little moment when Dinah is all grudgingly offering her help to rescue Roy and Oliver just says no.  Her surprise is delicious.  He's not supposed to be the one saying no, lol.  Only the NTA is supposed to have a reason not to want to work with the OTA.  Oh, Dinah, that's not the way this works.  No one is waiting around for you guys to come back. Especially Oliver.  

 

 

I was chortling with glee at the Schadenfreude of that moment. Because for weeks, I've had to suffer and watch the NOOBS look down their unworthy noses at Oliver, and Oliver taking it and taking it. And can Stephen just please use his Green Arrow voice all the time? I prefer the lower pitched voice register.

10 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

Do they have an MRI or x-ray machine in the Bunker?  I mean, they SHOULD, but have we seen it? 

 

If they have all those units of blood, ivs, and other doohickies (like we saw in "The Odyssey"), I'm sure they probably do have x-ray and MRI machines.

8 hours ago, bijoux said:

Honestly, the only stunt that stood out was Oliver yanking Thea out of the window. Which was (1) an awesome visual, (2) hilarious, (3) important because if she had stayed, it would have only resulted in pain, (4) very reflective of a relationship between an older and a younger sibling, and (5) you were just waiting for Thea's explosion afterwards. This reminds me of Thea's joining the mission. Because she'd be an easier fit for a ventilation shaft. Which made a surprising amount of sense when she brought it up. Then of course we see the vent and it's huge! Oliver and Dig could have probably both fit at the same time if they only took shallow breaths.

I was surprised that NO ONE mentioned this until you, @bijoux! I LOVED that moment! I laughed so hard!

And this episode just further demonstrated and cemented how criminally underused Thea/Will have been. Aside from the shaky camera movements during the fights, I loved watching Oliver and Thea shooting arrows and being badasses.

And I'm sooooo glad that what LOOKED like Roy being filled with rage in the previews last week (I'm blaming the lighting on my teevee), and that he would somehow hate Oliver now, was wrong. I've missed Colton oh so much. I really wish he would have stayed on the show, but I understand why he left. THIS is who you call a hero and true ally/friend: ROY. After a rocky start, he EARNED his stripes to work with Oliver and Diggle.

Speaking of,  just STOP IT, Show, with this sudden yearning of Diggle always wanting to be Arrow. I may have come late to the game, but Diggle NEVER WANTED to be the "hood," "vigilante," Arrow before.

Man, I knew Black Siren was faking it. Still don't like Katie Cassidy's acting tics. So much smug. I really want her to get her ass kicked. And for her to stay down.

Ah, the podsidecharacters that pose as supposedly intelligent reporters, who forget they have brains and automatically accept Black Siren's claims of being the real Laurel Lance. Instead of questioning it. Investigating to make sure it wasn't a con. In other words: sub, sub, sub plot contrivance.

It hurts my heart that Anatoly has been neutered. Can someone refresh my memory why he wants revenge against Oliver? I MISS their friendship. Another thing to hate the writers of this show. I can never have nice things. But I did like how practical he was when Black Siren asked him why he wasn't upset.

And now I'm off to read the live thread to get my Friday Giggles.

Edited March 9, 2018 by GHScorpiosRule

[Primal Slayer]

Why can't people in Arrow livein houses? Everyone is in an apartment/loft. Quentin place is so ugly and dark. He needs to invest in some lights and interior decorator.

[statsgirl]

I actually think that apartments make more sense for these single people who have both day and night jobs.  A house requires a lot of time and spent on upkeep and maintenance that they could invest elsewhere. The only person for whom a house makes sense is Diggle so that JJ can have a yard to play in.

But I agree that they need more lights and decorating.

[Primal Slayer]

15 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 

Ah, the podsidecharacters that pose as supposedly intelligent reporters, who forget they have brains and automatically accept Black Siren's claims of being the real Laurel Lance. Instead of questioning it. Investigating to make sure it wasn't a con. In other words: sub, sub, sub plot contrivance.

You have to remember....Laurel is like the 5th person to return from the dead in this city lol. They've seen Oliver return, Sara return, Ray return and now Roy. 

[tv echo]

Minimal newbies - which automatically improved the episode by 150%. Still, the show had to include at least one annoying newbie bit:

Oliver: "Hello."
Dinah: "Don't talk to me."

Like many of you, I loved that Oliver later shut down Dinah when she condescended to help OTA rescue Roy. Booyah!

Oliver (on phone): "John, we have a location on Roy. Let's get ready to move."
Dinah: "All right. Fine. Just this once."
Oliver: "No. You don't trust me. I don't trust you. So I'd rather be in the field short-handed."

I also loved the OTA, Olicity, Delicity and Theroy moments. It was great seeing OTA + Thea back in action by themselves.

Difference between Roy and Rene? Even beat up and tortured, Roy doesn't cave in and give up information. Even threatened with the loss of a loved one, Roy doesn't cave in and betray Oliver.

Hey, newbies - here is what real family and real trust looks like:

Felicity: "I'm not a lawyer, but what are the effects of us having the government's star witness in our protection instead of theirs?"
Oliver: "Not as much as you would think."
Felicity: "Oh."
Oliver: "They'll add witness tampering and obstruction to their very long list of charges."
Felicity: "Hmm. Cherry on top. Hmph. Well, you did it all for Thea."
Oliver: "And for Roy. I would have done it for any of you guys."

Plothole: Why did Black Siren return to Star City after stealing the $70M in Corto Maltese? If she just wanted to be free and get out of the country, she was already free and out of the country and with plenty of money to go and do whatever she wanted.

ETA: I am so tired of villains who monologue and talk a lot (cross-reference: The Walking Dead), Also, in another TWD parallel, again we see the hero fail to kill the villain when he has him dead to rights, even though he's killed several of the villain's minions (Oliver not killing Diaz, Rick not killing Negan).

Edited March 9, 2018 by tv echo

[bijoux]

50 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I think I would have appreciated this episode more if it hadn't followed so many episodes of meh.  While I cognitively appreciate Roy being back/Thea in the field finally and KC playing the role I've been asking for her since s2, it feels a lot like s3 where Oliver was so stupid for so long, it killed my fun in the show.

I know the set looked a lot like the loft but isn't Thea living in Laurel's old apartment now?  She told Oliver she didn't want to live at the loft because she'd been stabbed there and unless she moved back in when Felicity moved in with Oliver, Felicity is using it for her start-up.  Meanwhile I assume that BS is living with Quentin at his place.

BS told Oliver herself that Daddy offered her his couch. As for Thea, I imagine she went back to the loft sometime after the midseason finale. Lance was walking her down what looked like Laurel's old hallway. But those windows they were being spied through were definitely the loft windows. There wasn't anything like that at Laurel's place. 

[Guest]

I laughed at Roy wearing a red hoodie at the end of the episode. Do you think they keep spares in the bunker just in case he returns? ?

[jay741982]

12 hours ago, Soulfire said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

SIGH. The insane Chemistry, The hotness, why am I am this Couples Bitch? Them and Bughead from Riverdale Just SIGH

[wingster55]

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KC has manlier hands than SA.

Why did you even feel the need to mention this?

[tv echo]

615 - Thea (to Oliver, about Roy): “Knowing he was out there, that he was okay, it made my life just a little bit easier."

320 - Oliver (to Felicity): “The only way that I'm going to survive this is if I know that you're out there living your life, happy.”  

Edited March 9, 2018 by tv echo

[insomniadreams88]

I just rewatched a few scenes to see if I could find an answer I might have missed re: Diggle wanting the hood so badly. And all we get is that he wants to be GA again. No reason for it. Pretty sure the only "reason" he's ever given is that he was GA in the alien world, which doesn't make any sense and I always blamed the drugs for that, but that's what he's sticking with?

I wish we'd gotten something in the Diggle/Felicity scene that explained why he's so eager to put the hood back on, especially when pretty much everyone's after GA right now: Diaz, police (corrupt and legit), the FBI, etc. It seems like Oliver and Felicity have just accepted that Diggle wants to be GA and haven't bothered to ask why? 

Or have I forgotten something? 

[apinknightmare]

2 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

I wish we'd gotten something in the Diggle/Felicity scene that explained why he's so eager to put the hood back on, especially when pretty much everyone's after GA right now: Diaz, police (corrupt and legit), the FBI, etc. It seems like Oliver and Felicity have just accepted that Diggle wants to be GA and haven't bothered to ask why? 

Yeah - it makes zero sense for him to want to suit back up when legal focus is on the identity of the Green Arrow. Those drugs must've affected the brain as well. Felicity and Oliver's first comment when Diggle expresses this desire to them is, "Seriously? Now?"

Unless he's just itching to go back to jail again.

[WindofChange]

4 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

Yeah - it makes zero sense for him to want to suit back up when legal focus is on the identity of the Green Arrow. Those drugs must've affected the brain as well. Felicity and Oliver's first comment when Diggle expresses this desire to them is, "Seriously? Now?"

 

I hope 617 explains why he wants to become the Arrow again... It could be anything but maybe he wants to be The Arrow for recognition? If not that then maybe he felt he had a bigger purpose leading the team? IDK it could be anything but I hope htey explain it.

[SmallScreenDiva]

I love that as soon as Felicity starts stroking his face and neck, Oliver begins to smile, the load already lifting off his shoulders.

Also, talking while their faces and lips are barely a breath apart is apparently their married thing.

And all hail the king and queen ;) They look like royalty descending from their castle, about to meet the masses :P

Thanks @Soulfire for posting the GIFs. 

[apinknightmare]

I'm disappointed that Black Siren wasn't lying about having the $70 million. It just adds another layer of idiocy to 3D, to the point where it's hard to take him seriously. It didn't even serve any story purpose - Siren didn't seem to care that it was gone, so it's not like 3D took it back as leverage to entice her to do his dirty work. He could've kidnapped her from the hospital regardless. 

He's such a loser, LOL.

[KenyaJ]

39 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

I just rewatched a few scenes to see if I could find an answer I might have missed re: Diggle wanting the hood so badly. And all we get is that he wants to be GA again. No reason for it. Pretty sure the only "reason" he's ever given is that he was GA in the alien world, which doesn't make any sense and I always blamed the drugs for that, but that's what he's sticking with?

Yeah, I kind of wish we'd gotten more of Diggle's perspective in that episode, because this season, he keeps referring to it as a glimpse at his perfect world, which seems weird since there was no Lyla and JJ in that world (as far as we could tell). But Oliver knew there was something off with that world and he couldn't stay, even when Thea begged him to. At this point, I don't expect the show to address it, but I'm curious why it was Diggle's vision of his ideal world but Oliver noped out of it.

I love that as soon as Felicity starts stroking his face and neck, Oliver begins to smile, the load already lifting off his shoulders.

I know we've always joked about SA's involuntary Nope!Face in his scenes with KC, but it's nothing compared to his involuntary Schmoopy!Face with EBR. Oliver turns into such complete mush around Felicity. It's my favorite thing.

Edited March 9, 2018 by KenyaJ

[insomniadreams88]

8 minutes ago, KenyaJ said:

Yeah, I kind of wish we'd gotten more of Diggle's perspective in that episode, because this season, he keeps referring to it as a glimpse at his perfect world, which seems weird since there was no Lyla and JJ in that world (as far as we could tell). But Oliver knew there was something off with that world and he couldn't stay, even when Thea begged him to. At this point, I don't expect the show to address it, but I'm curious why it was Diggle's vision of his ideal world but Oliver noped out of it.

Yeah, especially since if you take what we saw of that world at face value, Oliver wasn't in Diggle's life either. So Diggle's perfect life is one where he doesn't have his wife or kid, Oliver hasn't become a brother to him and he's GA with only Felicity on the team? 

It would've made more sense if Diggle said that the alien world made him realize that part of him always wanted to be GA for "insert somewhat logical reason." And he could have reiterated that reason in this episode to explain why he's so eager to be GA again. 

Edited March 9, 2018 by insomniadreams88

[Hiveminder]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

 

I know the set looked a lot like the loft but isn't Thea living in Laurel's old apartment now?  She told Oliver she didn't want to live at the loft because she'd been stabbed there and unless she moved back in when Felicity moved in with Oliver, Felicity is using it for her start-up.  Meanwhile I assume that BS is living with Quentin at his place.

I figured they were stashing Roy at the loft instead of the more obvious choice of Thea or Oliver and Felicity’s apartment. Of course, the loft is only about 0.2% less obvious than those and has an entire wall of windows, but it’s Arrow. 

[SmallScreenDiva]

That's definitely the loft set (Oliver and Felicity's old bedroom, it looks like) but I don't think we're meant to think it's the loft since they put curtains, LOL! 

[ohjoy]

6 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I sighed in happiness when we saw Team Arrow reunited. That's how it should be: OTA+Roy & Thea. Throw in Rory Regan as an occasional team member, and I've gotten my perfect team.

This got me thinking: Imagine (in a world where Arrow is run with much more solid writing and plotting) what this "civil war" storyline could have been like if we had been able to keep Thea, Roy, and Sin as Teen Arrow since Season 2. They would have actually grown up in and out of the lair, and would have brought some nuance to the trust/betrayal/partnership dynamic.

 

6 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Kirk Avocado needs to stop with his mumbling. I could barely understand him, especially in the scene with Oliver shooting to the moon. 

Oliver swinging from the moon (or whatever black hook in the night sky onto which those arrows are apparently latching) also needs to stop.

 

5 hours ago, tv echo said:

ETA: I am so tired of villains who monologue and talk a lot (cross-reference: The Walking Dead), Also, in another TWD parallel, again we see the hero fail to kill the villain when he has him dead to rights, even though he's killed several of the villain's minions (Oliver not killing Diaz, Rick not killing Negan).

Judging from the Season 1 episode with the same title, somebody seems to think that having the villain "dead to rights" means you have to let them go.

[bethy]

What gets me about Diggle wanting to be GA is that there isn’t a reason I can think of that either makes sense or speaks well of him. 

1. He wants to be GA so he can save his city? But he’s already doing that and has been before he even got a mask. So that doesn’t make sense.

2. He wants to be GA because that’s the leader of the team? That seems to imply that he might think Oliver is a bad leader, but we haven’t seen any indication that he thinks that. So he wants to be the leader just so he can be the leader? That’s not a particularly honorable reason to want to lead.

3. He wants to be GA for the name recognition? That’s not an altruistic reason.

4. He actually thinks he’s “meant” to be GA? So to hell with Lyla and his child and Oliver? That’s gross. 

It just make no sense to me given the character of the man we know as John Diggle. 

[tangerine95]

Yeah I don't think it makes any sense that Digg wants to be GA so badly.It's really a random thing they came up with for the Digg as GA storyline.Because for years Digg didn't care,didn't even want a mask and made fun of it and only got a mask and codename as a practical thing.Even in the dream world that they're using as a justification for this,Digg actually seemed pretty miserable.I try to erase that episode from memory so I could be wrong but wasn't he like warning Oliver away and telling him how lucky he's not to be GA or something?He seemed as traumatized as season 1 Oliver so it was hardly a perfect life.

Edited March 9, 2018 by tangerine95

[-Maverick-]

Has anyone noticed Colton Haynes looking a bit out of shape? Maybe it's just me, and I'm over thinking it?

 

Anyway, I liked the episode. Pretty decent fight choreography, but I don't think it will ever top S1.

[Primal Slayer]

3 minutes ago, -Maverick- said:

Has anyone noticed Colton Haynes looking a bit out of shape? Maybe it's just me, and I'm over thinking it?

 

Anyway, I liked the episode. Pretty decent fight choreography, but I don't think it will ever top S1.

I dont think it is so much as being out of shape as it is just him not being zero body fat in shape like he used to be lol. He got married and that extreme six pack aint needed no more. He probably has like a 4 pack.

[-Maverick-]

Oh, congratulations to him, didn't know he tied the knot.

[AudienceofOne]

6 minutes ago, -Maverick- said:

Has anyone noticed Colton Haynes looking a bit out of shape? Maybe it's just me, and I'm over thinking it?

 

Anyway, I liked the episode. Pretty decent fight choreography, but I don't think it will ever top S1.

Guys who look like him go through what I jokingly call "The Thickening" in their 30s. 

He didn't look quite that meaty in Teen Wolf a few months go so the lighting and makeup probably wasn't helping. I think they wanted him to look his age so we can get the message he's grown up. I kind of liked it actually. He's not the best actor in the world but he's worked hard at this craft and I kind of admire him for that and glad he's still getting work now his looks are maturing.

[-Maverick-]

I can respect that, and his new "look" doesn't bother me, just making sure I wasn't imagining it.

[Primal Slayer]

It's still funny, Star City is about to shut down over 70 million dollars yet SCPD has 30 million dollars worth of material they've gotten from bad guys over the years, cars, mansions, the whole enchilada....so there's only a 40million dollar difference in what Star City is ran on? And who is going to be buying all of this stuff? It could be used to bring in new bad guys but I would be surprised if they used it for that. 

[Primal Slayer]

And does Diggle really expect Oliver to retire while there Star City is at the brink of shutting down and Dragon or Anatoly killed Cayden to take over? Yet he's pissed that Oliver had Cisco make him a new suit. This hasnt been a good season for Diggle. He's become very delusional. 

[statsgirl]

23 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

It's still funny, Star City is about to shut down over 70 million dollars yet SCPD has 30 million dollars worth of material they've gotten from bad guys over the years, cars, mansions, the whole enchilada....so there's only a 40million dollar difference in what Star City is ran on? And who is going to be buying all of this stuff? It could be used to bring in new bad guys but I would be surprised if they used it for that. 

Since the idea was floated by the police chief who we know is in 3-D's pocket, I expect to find that there is something there that Diaz wants or wants to deprive the city of for some reason.

[WindofChange]

3 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

This hasnt been a good season for Diggle. He's become very delusional. 

Well compared to Quentin, Diggle is probably the most sane person in the world LOL

And it makes sense why Diggle thinks Oliver will retire. out of everyone in the team Oliver has been the one who quit the team the most. Season 1 finale, season 3, season 3 finale, season 5, season 6... So it makes sense why Diggle thinks this isn't the life Oliver really wants.