S07.E12: Something Blue

[Bridget]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Was it a real church or just one of those rental places like Maci had for her trap wedding? I wasn't paying attention that much, but I did notice the venue had nothing inside like a real church. Just walls and pews.

I couldn't catch the name of the church and I had the TV on pause for a long time trying to search for those details. All I was able to see on the building was that it had a Latin phrase carved above the front doors of the church. No mention of any specific name, perhaps that was on purpose to avoid looting  from anyone for allowing that shit show of a second marriage to take place or for its normal congregation not to abandon the building. I've been in a lot of churches in my life and this one looked like a real church.

@MissMel - just saw your post re: church was the same one Jen & Larry were married in. I had no idea, so thank you for that info!

I swear I saw Larry with chew/dip in his mouth too (at the reception), but I could have been wrong.

Edited February 21, 2018 by Bridget

[TheRealT]

3 minutes ago, Bridget said:

  1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Was it a real church or just one of those rental places like Maci had for her trap wedding? I wasn't paying attention that much, but I did notice the venue had nothing inside like a real church. Just walls and pews.

I'm pretty sure that after the ceremony at the church they went to some other venue for the reception, where everyone was openly getting drunk. Ryan was openly getting drunk earlier, before the ceremony.

To address another misconception about the Wedding From Hell, I think Ryan was chewing gum during the ceremony (keeping it klassy) and tobacco/chaw the rest of the time. His mouth/jaw motions during the vows looked like chewing gum (versus the chewing/sucking of chaw) and when the ceremony was done he asked Mack, "So I can have drinks and tobacco now?" and was shown with the telltale chaw lump in his jaw for the rest of the wedding footage (including the priceless cake cutting scene).

[GreatKazu]

2 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

I'm pretty sure that after the ceremony at the church they went to some other venue for the reception, where everyone was openly getting drunk. Ryan was openly getting drunk earlier, before the ceremony.

 

Yes, they definitely had the reception elsewhere.

I just noticed the actual church seemed so empty, no décor of any kind which made me wonder if it was just one of those churches with no specific religion. 

[ginger90]

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I believe it. MTV conveniently edits out their bullshit. 

[druzy]

[woodscommaelle]

4 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Debra is a moron. She keeps asking Sophia if she's coming to the wedding like Sophia is going to drive herself or call an Uber to the venue.

Drive herself! Lol. That kid is 100% fully capable to drive herself. 

Poor kiddo though. She's living a very awkward life with this crew.

Edited February 21, 2018 by woodscommaelle

[Blissfool]

I felt second-hand embarrassment for Jen and Larry. "Yep, that's our son!"

[druzy]

[heatherchandler]

15 hours ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

 

Why does he keep asking about money? Is he meeting his connection? You can't always get what you want, Ryan. (yes showing my age)

 

I saw him today at the reception.. a glass of wine in his hand... (Ha! Had to do it!)

 

11 hours ago, ya both high said:

Hey fellow TM snarkers! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster here.. 

And they lived happily ever after. <3

 

This is the BEST!  I'm laying in bed, laughing so hard, tears are running down my face.  My husband just asked if I'm ok!

 

7 hours ago, usernameG said:

 

I wanted to hug the producer she screamed at. Farrah is so nasty. Where does she get off treating someone like that? One day she will lose her "fame" and it will be a humbling moment for sure. 

No adult should speak to another adult like that- or a child for that matter.  But these producers are almost asking for it.  "You're angry Farrah?  How can I help you?"  Are they forced by the production company or MTV to take all of that crap and suck it up?  They kiss these girls' asses it is insane.

[FairyDusted]

Love the Stones! In light of recent events and what Simon said I have very little compassion for Kristen. 

[LotusFlower]

6 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

ETA: @LotusFlower, I want to make it clear I'm not ranting at you. I agree Farrah is vile to work with. I'm ranting at MTV. 

I know!  I just want to add that I’m sure Farrah mistreats the crew behind the scenes all the time.  Remember the port-o-potties?   Or the time she said guys with beards were gross and dirty, and the producer laughed because the guy behind the camera had a beard?  Or the way she talked to one of the employees at the froyo shop?  I’m not defending anyone else, cuz they’re ALL spoiled, and the Janelles and Davids of the world are just beyond, but there’s something pathological with Farrah.  I honestly think there’s something wrong with her.

[GreatKazu]

35 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

I know!  I just want to add that I’m sure Farrah mistreats the crew behind the scenes all the time.  Remember the port-o-potties?   Or the time she said guys with beards were gross and dirty, and the producer laughed because the guy behind the camera had a beard?  Or the way she talked to one of the employees at the froyo shop?  I’m not defending anyone else, cuz they’re ALL spoiled, and the Janelles and Davids of the world are just beyond, but there’s something pathological with Farrah.  I honestly think there’s something wrong with her.

Larry the producer ordered the porta-potty, not Farrah. I am with her on the booties for the shoes and not wanting people to use her bathroom. 

After reading that Kristen the producer (the one Farrah yelled at) has disdain for gays, she can go fuck off. Thanks Farrah for yelling at her. 

1 hour ago, FairyDusted said:

Love the Stones! In light of recent events and what Simon said I have very little compassion for Kristen. 

You are kinder than me. I have no compassion for anyone who finds gays disgusting. 

[LotusFlower]

7 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Larry the producer ordered the porta-potty, not Farrah. 

What do you mean?  Why did he order a porta-potty at Farrah’s?

[GreatKazu]

20 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

What do you mean?  Why did he order a porta-potty at Farrah’s?

Because Farrah told the crew they couldn't use her bathroom. We thought she had originally ordered the porta-potty for the crew, but Larry said he and the crew didn't want to have to go elsewhere to use a bathroom. He confirmed it in a video that was posted here last week. 

[LotusFlower]

8 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Because Farrah told the crew they couldn't use her bathroom. We thought she had originally ordered the porta-potty for the crew, but Larry said he and the crew didn't want to have to go elsewhere to use a bathroom. He confirmed it in a video that was posted here last week. 

Right.  My point in bringing up the porta-potty story is to illustrate how difficult Farrah can be.  I’m sure Farrah is the only cast member who wouldn’t let the crew use the bathroom in her home, so they had to order a porta-potty.  That’s my point.  She’s a diva, and difficult, and they’re probably sick of it.

[bethster2000]

15 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Of course Amber made BewBew's bday party all about her.

True fact: I'm 47 years old and my therapy session today was all about my continuing struggle with a "mother" like this.  My mother's most recent stunt is managing to make some very scary medical tests I had to go through all about her.

Amber is hurting BewBew for the long term, believe me...anyone who has a narcissist for a mother understands this.  Thank God for Gary and Kristina.

ETA: I'm fine, by the way.  Ladies, get your boobies checked on the regular.  As scary as it may be, it is better to know, whatever the results may be.

Edited February 21, 2018 by bethster2000

[CofCinci]

2 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Right.  My point in bringing up the porta-potty story is to illustrate how difficult Farrah can be.  I’m sure Farrah is the only cast member who wouldn’t let the crew use the bathroom in her home, so they had to order a porta-potty.  That’s my point.  She’s a diva, and difficult, and they’re probably sick of it.

How is that being “difficult”? I wouldn’t want 4 men taking their morning Union shits in my bathroom.  She’s the only one in the series with a clean house.  Leah, Amber, Catelynn... they all live in absolute filth.  I doubt the crew would even dare to use Amber’s bathroom!

Edited February 21, 2018 by CofCinci

[LotusFlower]

23 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

How is that being “difficult”? I wouldn’t want 4 men taking their morning Union shits in my bathroom.  She’s the only one in the series with a clean house.  Leah, Amber, Catelynn... they all live in absolute filth.  I doubt the crew would even dare to use Amber’s bathroom!

Well, of nine or so teen moms and countless other cast members who host the crews in their homes, and she's the only one that makes this demand - I think that stands out.  But it wouldn't stand out if this was the only rude thing we've seen her do.  She's rude to practically every person who crosses her path.  Including people like her father who constantly tries to help her.  Or her boyfriend (ex) who she apparently had feelings for.  Or her bosses who employ her.  Etc., etc...  It's just the way she is.  

[alexa]

I am like the others, I can't blame Farrah for not wanting people using her bathroom all day.  I get a bit weirded out when you have a serviceman come and they ask to use your bathroom.  Of course I let them, but then I clean it really well afterwards.  lol!

I finally watched the episode, and frankly even without hearing the producers negative comments, I don't think Farrah was that bad compared to what we have seen on this show and the other TM.  I didn't think what she said really even stood out to me...she seemed frustrated with Kristen, and said what she wanted to say.  I think it was far less worse than some things Kail, Jenelle, and David have said.  

[CofCinci]

5 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Well, of nine or so teen moms and countless other cast members who host the crews in their homes, and she's the only one that makes this demand - I think that stands out.   

You couldn’t pay me to use Catelynn, Amber, Leah, or Janelle’s bathrooms. Maci, Kail and Chelsea’s bathrooms are probably clean enough for an emergency but very cluttered/messy.  Farrah is the only TM I’ve ever noticed cleaning. 

[mamadrama]

33 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

You couldn’t pay me to use Catelynn, Amber, Leah, or Janelle’s bathrooms. Maci, Kail and Chelsea’s bathrooms are probably clean enough for an emergency but very cluttered/messy.  Farrah is the only TM I’ve ever noticed cleaning. 

God, that reminds me of a time I was at a friend's house with my son.Son was 3 at the time and we were kind of at the end of potty training. We'd been hanging out on the porch, which was about as close to the interior of her house as I liked to get. We were just about to leave when suddenly my son had to go poop. That was the NASTIEST place I've ever been in. (And I used to be a social worker who was called in for dirty houses.) I insisted on carrying him through the house, because the floors truly were that bad, and in the bathroom I had to keep my eyes closed and breathe through my nose. Dear Lord. 

I'd say in real life Farrah's house is probably really clean, too. She's too anal (ha ha) to let it get any other way, I think. And we've heard what Leah's house used to look like...

Re: episode. Damn, I almost *almost* felt sorry for Mac. I had so much secondhand embarrassment for her during this episode that I couldn't even work up any bad feelings for her. 

6 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Well, of nine or so teen moms and countless other cast members who host the crews in their homes, and she's the only one that makes this demand - I think that stands out.  But it wouldn't stand out if this was the only rude thing we've seen her do.  She's rude to practically every person who crosses her path.  Including people like her father who constantly tries to help her.  Or her boyfriend (ex) who she apparently had feelings for.  Or her bosses who employ her.  Etc., etc...  It's just the way she is.  

I totally think Farrah is rude. (With some of the things she does I also understand where she's coming from, but I still think she's rude about it.) My thing, though, is the inconsistency. If they're going to fire for her attitude then why not fire Jenelle and David for theirs? (I know David just got fired but that was for a different reason.) Or Adam for refusing to film. Or Amber for domestic abuse? Or Rhine for endangering lives? Or Leah for her drug antics? The message it seems to be sending out is, "It's okay to literally put people's lives at risk, including your own family's, but you can't be rude to the staff-even when they deserve it."

[CofCinci]

[GreatKazu]

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 1:50 AM, LotusFlower said:

Well, of nine or so teen moms and countless other cast members who host the crews in their homes, and she's the only one that makes this demand - I think that stands out.  But it wouldn't stand out if this was the only rude thing we've seen her do.  She's rude to practically every person who crosses her path.  Including people like her father who constantly tries to help her.  Or her boyfriend (ex) who she apparently had feelings for.  Or her bosses who employ her.  Etc., etc...  It's just the way she is.  

The other cast members probably didn't have a crew member(s) who walked with dirty shoes into their home or they didn't care about any dirt being brought into their home.

The other cast members probably didn't have a crew member(s) who left a mess in their toilet or they didn't care. 

Tyler and Cate don't care about dog shit being all over their home. Of course they aren't going to complain about crew members using their toilet or bringing dirt into their home.

Leah is a dirty pig. She sure as hell doesn't care about anyone using her bathroom or walking into her home with dirty shoes. They will see her used tampon in the corner like the original camera man who reported on her filthy home. 

Maci seems too laid back to care about dirty shoes in her home. 

Farrah didn't have her rules in place until later. Likely someone tracked in dirt, left dirty shoe prints on her floors. As for the bathroom, maybe someone put too much toilet paper in it and clogged it up. Maybe someone didn't flush. Maybe they left a mess on the seat. Guys seem to not aim into the water. Not sure why that is, but I wish I could keep all males from using my toilets. 

As I mentioned before, when we had work done on our home, I paid for a porta-potty for a week because I didn't need any guy using my toilet. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Phoebe70]

I finally watched the episode.  Honestly, Farrah's hissyfit at the producer didn't really faze me.  She's talked to Larry in a similar fashion.  Why the producers put up with her attitude for YEARS is beyond me.

When Mack popped open the bottle of champagne (to go with Chick-Fil-A...LMAO), was she wearing a retainer in her mouth?

 

Macy's green dress at the wedding....ugh.  It looked pretty with the black jacket but when she took the jacket off you could see all those tattoos.  I think tattoos can be very beautiful, but Maci has so many that they make her look masculine.  Her tats remind me of Katlyn's on TM2, and that's never a good thing.

I would be so upset if my future husband was chewing ANYTHING while I'm walking down the aisle.  I don't care if it's gum or chew.  Can't you spit it out for the 15 minute ceremony?  I can't imagine kissing him with that crap in his mouth. If Ryan is an addict, why are his parents ok with all his drinking?!  And correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like Larry had some chew in his mouth too. Like father, like son. 

 

Fast-forwarded through the Butch rehab stuff.  Yawn.  

[LotusFlower]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

 

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

 I totally think Farrah is rude. (With some of the things she does I also understand where she's coming from, but I still think she's rude about it.) My thing, though, is the inconsistency. If they're going to fire for her attitude then why not fire Jenelle and David for theirs? (I know David just got fired but that was for a different reason.) Or Adam for refusing to film. Or Amber for domestic abuse? Or Rhine for endangering lives? Or Leah for her drug antics? The message it seems to be sending out is, "It's okay to literally put people's lives at risk, including your own family's, but you can't be rude to the staff-even when they deserve it."

But she wasn’t fired because she was rude, she was fired because of her work in porn.  I only brought up the rudeness as a reason for why I would fire her.  And yes, in the name of consistency- I’d fire a lot of them!

Edited February 21, 2018 by LotusFlower

[lezlers]

On ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 8:16 AM, GreatKazu said:

It was chewing tobacco. He placed the chew on his bottom teeth between his lip and gumline. He looked just like Cory. Except Cory isn't a drug addict. 

Maci and Taylor's drinking *face palm* 

I'm not going to slam Maci and Taylor for drinking at the wedding.  They're going to her drug addict ex's wedding to the bitch who tries to ruin Maci at every opportunity.   The dream couple have been on campaign to slam Maci this entire season.   Plus, everyone at that wedding was drunk.  I'm not really a drinker but I probably would've been shitfaced at that sham of a wedding too.

[bethster2000]

1 hour ago, LotusFlower said:

she was fired because of her work in porn.

I REALLY have a problem with this.  Especially after all MTV has done over the years to push the envelope regarding the sexualization of society in general.

Rhiiiiiiiiine was so transparently asking Ooompa Loompa for money so he could score drugs.  It's the kind of loving conversation at your wedding reception that you'll tell your grandkids about.

[Phoebe70]

16 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I'm not going to slam Maci and Taylor for drinking at the wedding.  They're going to her drug addict ex's wedding to the bitch who tries to ruin Maci at every opportunity.   The dream couple have been on campaign to slam Maci this entire season.   Plus, everyone at that wedding was drunk.  I'm not really a drinker but I probably would've been shitfaced at that sham of a wedding too.

I thought they were referring to Maci and Taylor drinking IN THE CAR on the way to the wedding.  They both were drinking from cups (I think his was a red Solo cup) and he was not wearing a seat belt.  Maybe they were just drinking pop, but given their history I doubt it.

[LotusFlower]

2 minutes ago, bethster2000 said:

I REALLY have a problem with this.  Especially after all MTV has done over the years to push the envelope regarding the sexualization of society in general.

So does Farrah.  She’s suing MTV over this very issue.  (And other issues, which are ridiculous).  Druzy is posting all the info. in the Farrah thread, if you’re interested.  (Thanks, druzy!)

[Isthisok]

This show... *sigh*

Why do I watch? Why am I a garbage human from garbage island? 

That wedding was such a try-hard crockpot of hot-ass mess. I wonder what Mak sees in this longterm, because they’re clearly pinching pennies right now, and Rhine is the Curious Case of Butch Baltierra. I don’t see her bankrolling his expensive drug habit by pumping out chin-slimmers and detox tea on Instagram. He can’t be super pleasant to live with, since he doesn’t even do a great job of tolerating her presence. Whatever rehab he went to didn’t take, because someone serious about sobriety and getting shared custody of their kid wouldn’t be taking tequila shots with a big wad of dip in their mouth. At least his dad is a romantic drunk asshole occasionally, and holds down a job. As awful as Rhine is, sober Mak has to be even worse to see something worth exploiting in this dumpsterfire of a relationship. I hope his sperm packed their shit and peaced the fuck out, because these two don’t need to be responsible for any other humans. 

 

I bet Leah loved hearing about Amber’s new baby at her birthday party. 

“Happy birthday, bewbew! Remember that new baby I’m going to keep and actually raise as a do-over while neglecting you? It’s going to be a boy! I’ll see you next weekend, or whenever we film again.”

There is some really shady Phaedra Parks kind of math going on with this relationship and pregnancy. Did she get knocked up by this guy while filming that show with Matt? Because even though that would be incredibly stupid and shitty, it would still require her deciding to go off her meds and birth control PRIOR to July. Are we supposed to believe she and Matt weren’t still getting it in at that time? I need to see this baby’s quantity of hair and teeth color to correct ascertain paternity.

 

Farrah is a bitch, but her shitty personality isn’t as toxic or dangerous as the stuff these other human landfills get away with. She’s the only one I’d trust to soberly drive me somewhere without getting knocked up by a con artist on the way.

Edited February 21, 2018 by Isthisok

[ghoulina]

47 minutes ago, Phoebe70 said:

I thought they were referring to Maci and Taylor drinking IN THE CAR on the way to the wedding.  They both were drinking from cups (I think his was a red Solo cup) and he was not wearing a seat belt.  Maybe they were just drinking pop, but given their history I doubt it.

I would have to get drunk to make it through that shit show. Just saying. 

[GreatKazu]

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 11:29 AM, Phoebe70 said:

I thought they were referring to Maci and Taylor drinking IN THE CAR on the way to the wedding.  They both were drinking from cups (I think his was a red Solo cup) and he was not wearing a seat belt.  Maybe they were just drinking pop, but given their history I doubt it.

Thanks. That is what we were referring to. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by GreatKazu

[MaggieG]

@ya both high that was an epic recap, thank you! That was indeed a shit show of a wedding. Ryan and Mac don't even seem to like each other.

It's horrible but I cracked up at Sophia telling Deb in the car "Don't touch me" as Deb tried to hug her.

[Soobs]

I honestly didn't understand what happened at the end with Farrah and the producer. It appeared that Farrah had kept everyone waiting while she got ready. Deb was waiting in the car. The female producer (Kristen?) asks her if she wants to get out and she says no. Then Farrah comes down and screams at the producer for leaving her mom in the car when they were actually all waiting on Farrah and her mom was ok with being in the car. Am I missing something? It makes Farrah look pretty psycho.

Now Simon is claiming that the producer is homophobic. I have a hard time believing that. If she is, she is in the wrong industry and in the wrong city.

Ryan showing up drunk and not prepared for his wedding pissed me off. If you don't want to marry Mac then don't! If you do, act like it. No half measures, Ryan!

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 2/20/2018 at 9:08 AM, ya both high said:

Hey fellow TM snarkers! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster here.. I love you guys and totally share in the love/hate fascination with this shit-show! Oh it’s so bad, it’s good. Soooo I, like you guys, watched this wedding crash and burn in total shock and awe too and felt compelled to put together an in-case-you-missed-it style total breakdown of this hoedown. Bear with me because this sucker is bound to be a book.

Buckle up... Here are the highlights, from beginning, to glorious end.

GETTING READY

Friend: “You use hair spray?” Awkward Rhine w/ crazy-eyes: “……Yeah!…...I need a drink.” Clearly not the first, because friend replies, “You better take it easy on that, you have to stand up in front of everybody.” Cheers.

In Mack-Truck’s dressing room: “I really can’t wait to hear what Ryan’s vows are.” (Awkward obligatory agreement from bridesmaids) Friend “Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Ryan is creative.” Mack shows off her impressive level of denial: “Oh, yeah.” With a straight face. She’s getting good. In fact, if denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, it might just be the glue that holds this blessed marriage together.

Back to Rhine’s dressing room: Rhiiiine refuses to write vows, or even brainstorm a cursory outline, electing instead to “just say it when I get up there.” When questioned, he adds the ever-romantic, “I don’t care! It’s not like it’s gotta be perfect.” Naww, it’s only supposed to be the most important day of your life, you know, the one your wife has worked tirelessly to ensure is “perfect.” But why put forth an ounce of effort, amiright? Good decisions as usual from this one.

DRIVING TO THE CHURCH

Maci and Taylor chug booze in unison. “Hopefully everything goes smoothly.” :)

Ryan’s group pulls up to the church, someone in the car says “There they all are.” Ryan drunkenly jumps out of the car anyway, apparently not having gotten the memo about seeing the bride before the ceremony.  Asks his groomsmen, “Are you gonna be here when we go to the reception?” They of course answer “Yes.” Ummmm, DUH?  

Ryan proceeds to chug the remainder of another boozy drink from his 16oz to-go cup.

Mack-truck sadly attempts to hide behind a tree as her bridesmaids look on in bewilderment at her clueless groom crashing their pre-wedding photo shoot, lovingly screaming “LEEEAVE! GO! GO! GO AWAY!”

 Ryan inserts a large wad of chewing tobacco into his lip, telling Larry “I’m gonna go get a shot real quick.” This is still BEFORE the ceremony, people.

Check-in with the groom: “Did you make up your vows yet?” “NOPE!”  Worried groomsmen try to offer an outline ad suggestions of the things he should say, just in case this dude has literally nothing. Friend says “Just be like, I love you.” Confused Ryan answers, “I love you too.” HAHA!

Meanwhile, the officiant seems to be looking over his lines for the first time.

THE CEREMONY

Drunken Ryan hobbles up to the altar, chewing on a huge dip, smirking awkwardly.

Ryan continues chewing like a cow as he watches Mack walk down the aisle. I know this is their second wedding (weird) but he has absolutely no reaction to seeing her in the dress. Hope Mack didn’t get her hopes up youtube-worthy happy tears moment. This lug doesn’t have it in him.

Orange Mack finishes her walk down the aisle, and when she arrives at the altar she does not look at Ryan, instead keeps her eyes pointed straight ahead with a really sour face and homegirl looks PISSED. So damn awkward all around.

While the officiant is reading, she occasionally glances up at Ryan with an excited smirk… He does not return the sentiment. Continues chewing cud.

Guests watch with semi-embarrassed expressions. It’s time for the (ahem) most meaningful part of the ceremony… the vows. Ryan: “Do you wanna go first or should I?” Mack: “I don’t know, do you want to?” Ryan: “I don’t care.” Mack: “Go.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “I gotta go first?!”

 “Alright. Mackenzie I promise to always love you, be your best friend…” (shrugs) “I promise to be faithful and always there for you.” (wiggles eyebrows up and down in a weird “hubba hubba” way.) The end. That’s all ya get, sweetheart.

Mackenzie is handed her vows, Ryan says “Oh god, you got a long one!”

Mack reads her sweet, copy-and-paste vows, hitting all the Hallmark notes, throwing in some shade “…to ATTEMPT to understand you” (Was that supposed to be funny? She didn’t smile and nobody laughed.)

Ryan appears utterly expressionless and unmoved, apart from his drunkenness causing loss of control over facial muscles, eyebrows twitching a mile a minute.

Audience looks bored and embarrassed. Officiant somehow totally botches the ending of the ceremony, maybe in silent protest?

Mack-truck finally gets a taste of that juicy dip as Ryan takes it upon himself to make the kiss happen (at least he remembered that part.)  MY question at this point is, where is he spitting during the ceremony?! HAS he been spitting?? Is he just swallowing it?! Ewwww.

R: “I’m sweating my ass off.” M: “You’re drunk.” R: “Mmhmm.”

SO DAMN ROMANTIC, Y’ALL.

Time for photos… Ryan chimes in “It’s get-done, then drinking time, right?” Mack seems annoyed at how he’s managed to flub this wedding so far, says she doesn’t feel well, and Ryan tells her she is no fun, and that being sick is no reason to be upset, and he is trying to have a good time. Finishing their chat lovingly with “I don’t wanna hear none of that neither.”

THE RECEPTION

Ryan enters with a truly insane look in his eyes, carrying in more booze in a to-go cup. Asks Mack “Where are we going?” and mutters something about being/getting drunk. Ryan gets another drink from the bar.

Ryan grills Mackenzie about money. He’s one to talk with his $10k a week drug habit. They take a shot of booze.

Someone announces “It’s time for the first dance.” Ryan starts to walk away. Mack: “Come on Ryan!” Ryan: “Ohh, it’s YOU AND I dancing?!” …Jesus H Christ.

Somehow, neither of them know what song they will be dancing to. Ryan continues to grill Mackenzie about money. At this point, she is a saint in my book for not flipping her shit.

The lovely couple wobble back and forth while holding hands in the least loving, least romantic way possible. No eye contact. No smiles. No joy or reflection. Utterly meaningless and going through the motions, overtop a conversation about finances. Half the guests apparently have no idea the first dance is happening and continue to talk and walk around the room, while the other half are shown smirking uncomfortably, looking down awkwardly, fiddling their thumbs, etc. Mack’s dad watches with concern.

Ryan:  “Alright, I think we’re done. You done?” Mack: “We have to finish the song! You’re hammered.” Ryan, crazy eyes: “Woooooooooo.”

Someone walks past in a TRULY bizarre bright blue and white striped suit with flamingoes and palm trees. Brief WTF moment.

Mack’s embarrassed about his vows, tries to cover for it by making jokes with her bridesmaids, who proceed to not only agree that the vows were shit but then tear apart the awkward dance as well. They should probably be lying to help to make Mack feel like her big day is gorgeous and perfect in every way, but they don’t….. and they’re not wrong.

Ryan takes another shot of booze.

CAKES & SPEECHES

Ryan: “Is it real?” yes. “Y’all got a real one? Well how much was it?” My eyes are rolling out of my head.

Maci and Jen talk drunkenly and show the first display of genuine emotion in the entire event.

Back to the cake. Ryan: “Now what do we do?” Mackenzie: “You feed me.” I’m starting to think this dude should have googled “what is a wedding” before showing up. Ryan makes Mack pinky swear not to shove cake in his mouth because “I got a dip in.”  Oh yum. They didn’t have tobacco flavor when they went cake tasting, so this worked out.

Larry says some sweet words, Ryan finally has feelings (though presumably more for his relationship with his father than his wedding.) Tells Mack he is “tired as hell.”

Ryan chugs another drink. Some dribbles down his chin.

Larry’s speech was the only heartfelt moment of the wedding. It was the ONLY time the guests were tuned in to what was happening and actually seemed to be interested, and touched by what was going on. It’s clear that the room was filled with his friends – or "family" friends – but none with any sort of real relationship with Ryan. I didn’t see anyone give the bride and groom hugs. No one talked with them or danced with them. They all know this is Larry’s shit-show son and some middle-aged orange wifey figure with the patience of a saint (with promise of a paycheck.)

Final on-camera drink count: NINE. Plus whatever he drank off-camera, plus whatever he’d had before his groomsmen told him to slow down in the dressing room.

SO INCREDIBLY CRINGEY, GUYS. I couldn’t help myself. That shit was bad down to the very last detail. Maci dodged the world’s drunkest, craziest, least-charming bullet. A brilliant what-not-to-do tutorial for any future groom.  

And they lived happily ever after. <3

I love you! Thats all.... ;)

[WhosThatGirl]

Oh, Farrah is complently rude and vile but MTV deciding to fire her because she does/did porn, they need to sit down. They also can sit down firing her because of her behavior too, when we’ve seen much worse from this and TM2. Amber attacking Gary, Ryan driving while high, Cate and April driving while getting high, etc and on TM2 Kail refusing to film and turning off all her lights on the crew when they get to her place, Adam refusing to film, Janelle and David’s antics, etc. so yeah, they have no room to talk.

If anything, I think yes the crew getting fed up(again, they’ve let this behavior go on like this for years though), they know the rest of the girls dislike Farrah and so yeah, it’s easy to get rid of her. Then they just be honest about it. Just like how she wasn’t originally in Og and when they put her back in, Farrah kind of dared them to explain why and they wouldn’t say anything.

[LotusFlower]

So in a clip for next week's episode, the producer kinda says what I wrote earlier in regards to how difficult Farrah is to work with (of the 9 teen moms, she's the only one "that's the problem."):

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/21/farrah-abraham-sues-viacom-slut-shaming-mtv-teen-mom/

[FairyDusted]

I would not be surprised if Ryan went though any envelopes for the couple during the reception. He NEEDED cash. 

[TeeMo]

Maci may have been boozing it up in the car on the way to Rhine's wedding but at least she was dressed appropriately and didn't bust out the denim skirt and tank top she wore to Cate and Tyler's big day.

[LotusFlower]

4 hours ago, Phoebe70 said:

I thought they were referring to Maci and Taylor drinking IN THE CAR on the way to the wedding.  They both were drinking from cups (I think his was a red Solo cup) and he was not wearing a seat belt.  Maybe they were just drinking pop, but given their history I doubt it.

FYI - Neither of them were driving.

[ginger90]

3 hours ago, Soobs said:

I honestly didn't understand what happened at the end with Farrah and the producer. It appeared that Farrah had kept everyone waiting while she got ready. Deb was waiting in the car. The female producer (Kristen?) asks her if she wants to get out and she says no. Then Farrah comes down and screams at the producer for leaving her mom in the car when they were actually all waiting on Farrah and her mom was ok with being in the car. Am I missing something? It makes Farrah look pretty psycho.

Now Simon is claiming that the producer is homophobic. I have a hard time believing that. If she is, she is in the wrong industry and in the wrong city.

 

Debra tweeted the clip: ( those producers need to stay behind the cameras, IMO)

[sparklemotion]

I think Ryan brought up money on the dance floor because it looks like the Wedding was a cash bar, he was trying to gauge how many more drinks he was going to pump her for.... "Real Cake" I found out about at a friends wedding...For some elaborate cakes they make a real tier to cut at the ceremony and a real tier to freeze for the 1 year anni and the rest is foam and fondant...Then catering cuts up a sheet version of the cake for guests, it works out more cake for less money... 

[GreatKazu]

On ‎2‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 1:15 PM, Soobs said:

I honestly didn't understand what happened at the end with Farrah and the producer. It appeared that Farrah had kept everyone waiting while she got ready. Deb was waiting in the car. The female producer (Kristen?) asks her if she wants to get out and she says no. Then Farrah comes down and screams at the producer for leaving her mom in the car when they were actually all waiting on Farrah and her mom was ok with being in the car. Am I missing something? It makes Farrah look pretty psycho.

Now Simon is claiming that the producer is homophobic. I have a hard time believing that. If she is, she is in the wrong industry and in the wrong city.

Ryan showing up drunk and not prepared for his wedding pissed me off. If you don't want to marry Mac then don't! If you do, act like it. No half measures, Ryan!

It would not be hard to believe that people work in the film production and entertainment industry and have racist, sexist, homophobic views, and other bias views. We are watching it play out right now with all these claims by women who have been assaulted, mistreated, treated like dirt by people in the industry. There are plenty of examples where celebs, producers, directors, and other industry people who have been caught spewing venom about women, jews, blacks, and other groups.

Edited February 26, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Inga]

With so much going on this episode, I’m not surprised no one mentioned how David spoke to Deb on the phone! Forget Rhine and Mack attack, why are these 2 getting married???? He can’t seem to even stand talking to her on the phone!

Amber’s tattoo—omg, wtf was that!!!!! Who does that? What woman gets a giant tattoo of there daughter on their stomach?? (Much like Matt getting that Amber tattoo on his arm to show how much he loves her. That’ll be a fun cover up).  What guy would ever enjoy having sex with a woman while staring at a giant picture of her child! Gross! If you want a tattoo of your daughter, get it on the back of your shoulder or something! 

If i were Maci and Taylor, i would have a few drinks before going to that shit show too.

[Soobs]

2 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

It would not be hard to believe that people work in the film production and entertainment industry and have racist, sexist, homophobic views, and other bias views. We are watching it play out right now with all these claims by women who have been assaulted, mistreated, treated like dirt by people in the industry. There are plenty of examples where celebs, producers, directors, and other industry people who have been caught spewing venom about women, jews, blacks, and other groups. Why would it be hard to believe a budget crew member has homophobic views?

 I guess I feel like this show is so bananas that to work on it you'd have to open minded. Of course it's possible she's homophobic.  But it's also possible that Farrah's weirdo/ friend/ boyfriend is ganging up on this woman to get her fired because Farrah has decided she doesn't like her.

[GreatKazu]

15 minutes ago, Soobs said:

 I guess I feel like this show is so bananas that to work on it you'd have to open minded. Of course it's possible she's homophobic.  But it's also possible that Farrah's weirdo/ friend/ boyfriend is ganging up on this woman to get her fired because Farrah has decided she doesn't like her.

I don't see it as Simon trying to get that woman fired as much as offering an explanation as to why there is rage. It doesn't explain all the rage, but it offers insight to what kind of person that producer is in real life. 

The one being ganged up on is Farrah. Simon tweeting doesn't compare to one being ganged up on to their face. 

Edited February 22, 2018 by GreatKazu

[GreatKazu]

19 minutes ago, Inga said:

If i were Maci and Taylor, i would have a few drinks before going to that shit show too.

Maci would drink on her way to check her mailbox. 

When doesn't she drink? 

[CofCinci]

1 minute ago, GreatKazu said:

 

When doesn't she drink? 

Pregnancy. 

[Inga]

She does have a long driveway....