S07.E08: OH BABY

[Jeanne222]

17 minutes ago, Teddybear said:

Um, I'd like to see a little more of Madison, Ryan's cousin.  Damn!!!  Where has he been all these years?

Debra and Farrah had a reasonably enjoyable day, yet at dinner Juice Newton decides to bring up Simon?  Why would she stir the gnocchi pot like that? 

Ok some reasons.  She's nuts.  She thinks it makes her more in demand on the show.  She has absolutely sense.  She really does not like farrah.  Some moms don't like their kids.  That's all I got!

[teapot]

9 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Ok some reasons.  She's nuts.  She thinks it makes her more in demand on the show.  She has absolutely sense.  She really does not like farrah.  Some moms don't like their kids.  That's all I got!

I thought she was retaliating for Farrah saying, "we had a nice time without David here." I think that would have pissed me off, too, tbh.  You're just sitting there having dinner and your family member brings up the touchiest, most difficult issue between you.  DebzOG EMBA definitely should have just blown it off, but what would have been the fun in that?

[CofCinci]

Buddies, who becomes pregnant first: Cate or Mack?

[lezlers]

14 hours ago, Bridget said:

I am with you!

I still don't believe she's under 200lbs. I see people built like her every day and I know how much they really do weigh (from their annual PE class weigh ins for state testing).

For the record, It's not illegal for me to access the info;  it's on their profile just the same as if I were searching for a kid's current grades.

I completely believe her weight.  She's only 5'1!   I'm 5'4 and weighed around 180 after I had my son and I LOOKED significantly overweight.  That's 10 pounds less and 2 inches taller than Cate. The shorter you are, the more obvious any extra weight on you will be.  Hell, I'm 5'4 and 130 now and still have a bit of a belly.

[TimeToCancelTM]

4 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Buddies, who becomes pregnant first: Cate or Mack?

Maci...

[ghoulina]

29 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Buddies, who becomes pregnant first: Cate or Mack?

Mackenzie. 

[MissMel]

57 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Buddies, who becomes pregnant first: Cate or Mack?

Mack.  Cate's going to keep avoiding Tyler by checking into treatment in AZ.

[GreatKazu]

3 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Yes but he'll get it.  He always does or she would owe much more!  

Amber just hit a little bump in the road with Matt stealing her money!

Actually, that is not correct. Amber's court order amount of $1200.00 was determined in late May of 2016.

When this season was filmed (August 2017) at that point Amber was in arrears in the amount of $10k. Gary mentioned that to Amber as she sat at his table. The amount of $10K means Amber has not paid child support for 9 months. If she has failed to pay since that episode was filmed, her arrears are now an additional $6k.  

If Amber has paid any monies to Gary, surely she would have said so at that table when Gary brought up the subject. She didn't. She agreed she owed it and said she would pay it. She didn't say when she'd pay it. She didn't say if she would pay it in full. She didn't put anything in writing. It's okay, though. It is on camera. She verbally admitted she is in arrears. 

If Gary "always" gets his money, Amber wouldn't be owing at least $10k to the support of her child. 

Someone can confirm this, but I seem to recall there was a previous child support amount that was owed to Gary from when Amber was in prison. I think Gary forgave Amber for that amount or he only received a portion of the amount she owed. This is not Amber's first time at the rodeo as far as owing child support is concerned. She has a nasty habit of owing people for things such as rent and her IRS taxes. 

This is not about Gary needing money or demanding Amber pay him money for himself. It is for the care and support of the child they had together. Amber is no different than any dead-beat father (like Matt) and deserves to be shamed, especially when she makes the outrageous claims of Gary needing her to make money. 

Edited January 17, 2018 by GreatKazu

[lezlers]

3 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Yes but he'll get it.  He always does or she would owe much more!  

Amber just hit a little bump in the road with Matt stealing her money!

She might want to consider paying her back child support before jetting of for Hawaiian vacations.

[GreatKazu]

35 minutes ago, lezlers said:

She might want to consider paying her back child support before jetting of for Hawaiian vacations.

And getting that new Range Rover. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Yes, it was nice that Cate had her IUD professionally removed, instead of yanked out in the bathroom at home, like some of these morons have done.

Didn't some claim that it fell out?

[Coltee Gal]

7 hours ago, Blissfool said:

Maybe because Gary gets MTV money because of Amber.

Although I have no idea how much Gary gets paid by MTV. Does he have another job?

Gary knocked her up so let's call it even.  He's kept Leah out of the system so let's call him ahead of the couch monster 

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Didn't some claim that it fell out?

Chelsea.

[GreatKazu]

IUDs can shift out of place FYI. It is called an expulsion. Some people will refer to it as "falling out" or "fell out":

https://www.healthline.com/health/birth-control/iud-fell-out

https://managingcontraception.com/question/q-3467/

Edited January 18, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Marisagf]

4 hours ago, Teddybear said:

Um, I'd like to see a little more of Madison, Ryan's cousin.  Damn!!!  Where has he been all these years?

Debra and Farrah had a reasonably enjoyable day, yet at dinner Juice Newton decides to bring up Simon?  Why would she stir the gnocchi pot like that? 

OMG..... juice Newton!!!!  I love it!  How about Crystal Gayle?

[GreatKazu]

39 minutes ago, jayfay said:

Gary knocked her up so let's call it even.  He's kept Leah out of the system so let's call him ahead of the couch monster 

Preach. 

[CofCinci]

3 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Someone can confirm this, but I seem to recall there was a previous child support amount that was owed to Gary from when Amber was in prison. I think Gary forgave Amber for that amount or he only received a portion of the amount she owed. This is not Amber's first time at the rodeo as far as owing child support is concerned. She has a nasty habit of owing people for things such as rent and her IRS taxes. 

Yes, Gary was owed YEARS of child support and he opted to waive it.  That was very kind of him because I’m not sure I’d erase $60,000. To show her gratitude, Amber couldn’t even go an entire year paying the $1200 a month.  Keep in mind that Amber actually stopped paying child support before she and Matt had relationship problems and before she became “depressed” again.  

[GreatKazu]

13 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Yes, Gary was owed YEARS of child support and he opted to waive it.  That was very kind of him because I’m not sure I’d erase $60,000. To show her gratitude, Amber couldn’t even go an entire year paying the $1200 a month.  Keep in mind that Amber actually stopped paying child support before she and Matt had relationship problems and before she became “depressed” again.  

Thanks for verifying that info. 

I hate to think how it would be if it was Gary who owed Amber nearly $100k in child support. We know it would be looked upon differently. For all the mention of sexism that sometimes gets thrown easily, I find it truly disturbing. 

ETA: I just remembered when Amber was defending Matt against allegations of his non-payment of child support. Amber said she couldn't judge Matt on that because she had done the same thing. Tell me I am remembering that right. 

Edited January 18, 2018 by GreatKazu

[IDreamofJoaquin]

On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 6:55 AM, A-Lo said:

I can't normally endorse anything that comes out of Farrah's mouth but had to agree with her when she and Deb were discussing the wedding and Farrah asked her why her "other daughter" couldn't be the maid of honor instead of Farrah, who clearly doesn't want the job?  Could that be because the "other daughter" wants nothing to do with being on camera and therefore Deb wouldn't be paid for an appearance if Farrah wasn't there?

Great point. 

 

 

Butch taking the cast off was one of the trashiest things we have ever seen on the show and considering how much trash is in each episode, this is saying a lot.  "Catelynns" segments in this episode were cringe worthy, every second of them. 

[GreatKazu]

Just now, IDreamofJoaquin said:

Great point. 

 

 

Butch taking the cast off was one of the trashiest things we have ever seen on the show and considering how much trash is in each episode, this is saying a lot.  "Catelynns" segments in this episode were cringe worthy, every second of them. 

Agree.

Poor kid dealing with a cast that was in need of being removed. 

The kids in that family always get the short end of the stick. Look Carly! That could have been your life!  The adults splurge on themselves, but the kids have to suffer. 

[IDreamofJoaquin]

8 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Look Carly! That could have been your life!

HA!  Yeah.  But you know, Tyler had to help Brandon and Teresa out by giving them a child. 

[Calm81]

15 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Here I go again.

Gary owns several rental homes.

?

Poor Greatgazu ?

We need to ask the moderators to put that in his thread title -

Gar Bear - the nondeadbeat father rental owner

Boom.

[Calm81]

If Gary were me I’d take little clips of Amber at Hawaii, sitting in her expensive Range Rover and showcase the Instagram rant of her with her safeful of money to the judge at the next child support hearing.

That 1200.00 should be RAISED since she now makes a lot more since 2016 but I’m sure Gary never tried to get it increased in fear of pushing Amber into an episode of depression. ☹️

He needs screenshots of the “tweet and deletes” (obviously before she deletes lol) showing the judge how she’s braggjng about monies from MBC, and how she’s richer than all of us peons but won’t pay her child support!!!

You see with Amber, she’s got selfish meningitis to where her brain tells her that buying ostentatious cars, furniture, jewelry and gettin her eyelashes done far exceed the importance of paying child support to help her daughter thrive since she is without her biological mother.

How do you book a flight to HAWAII knowing that you haven’t seen your child or financially helped your child? If I were “rich” like her and hadn’t visited my child you bet your ass I would be “paid as agreed” on my child support just so that I could sleep better at night and at least have that to fall back on when people are telling me I’m a bad mother on Twitter “but I PAY my child support!!!! Men do it all of the time! They hardly see their kids but financially support them!” Then people would be less harsh. Stupid Amber.

[ReadMeLattice]

10 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

 

ETA: I just remembered when Amber was defending Matt against allegations of his non-payment of child support. Amber said she couldn't judge Matt on that because she had done the same thing. Tell me I am remembering that right. 

I remember this too. 

[Calm81]

Wow! I don’t have a Twitter but was able to read some of the comments she’s been getting thanks to those of you who post the twitter links. 

They went from people kissing her ass to totally ripping her a new asshole for Briana to spit on. 

This one particular episode DESTROYED her positive fan base. People are not liking the fact that she used her breakup with Matt as a reason to not see Leah to then get pregnant so soon after the breakup while still not seeing Leah while vacationing in hawaii when she’s behind $9600 on child support and not bringing Leah on the trip.

She must’ve gotten a gold plated shovel for the grave she dug herself into. No more “sending love” BS. The leg humpers are ANGRY with her money bragging while they struggle to pay rent. Wow. Just wow! I almost felt bad for Amber reading those comments, well, not really.

[lezlers]

16 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

 

Someone can confirm this, but I seem to recall there was a previous child support amount that was owed to Gary from when Amber was in prison. I think Gary forgave Amber for that amount or he only received a portion of the amount she owed. This is not Amber's first time at the rodeo as far as owing child support is concerned. She has a nasty habit of owing people for things such as rent and her IRS taxes. 

This is not about Gary needing money or demanding Amber pay him money for himself. It is for the care and support of the child they had together. Amber is no different than any dead-beat father (like Matt) and deserves to be shamed, especially when she makes the outrageous claims of Gary needing her to make money. 

Just to be clear, child support orders are typically stayed when the owing parent is incarcerated.  So the couch monster wouldn't owe anything from the time she was in prison.  Before and after, yes.  But not during.  I'm with you on the rest.  I'm shocked Amber isn't getting the kind of deadbeat parent hate that Matt did for not paying his support.  She's just as bad.

[CofCinci]

Amber was released from prison November 2013.  She didn't start paying child support until March 2016.  Gary was entitled to child support from 11/2013 to 03/2016.

[lezlers]

7 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Amber was released from prison November 2013.  She didn't start paying child support until March 2016.  Gary was entitled to child support from 11/2013 to 03/2016.

Right, that makes sense.  I was just responding to the previous post that said she owed from "when she was in prison", which wouldn't be accurate.  I might have read that incorrectly, however. I think we all can agree she owes a shit ton of support and is a lazy no good excuse for a "parent" by not paying it while simultaneously going on expensive vacations and buying expensive cars.

Edited January 18, 2018 by lezlers

[Calm81]

I think Amber isn’t trying to get the money Matt stole from her because Matt’s probably thrown out the “Come after me for the money and I’ll have my publisher on speed dial for a ‘tell all’ book on your lazy ass.” It just seems odd that she will allow this man to play her on national television and not want some sort of revenge for it.

Something tells me Matt is going to do this book as things may get desperate for him. Since he never shared a child with her he’s not being filmed anymore like Nathan, and Javi are for not being the original dads. MTV has made it look like he’s never existed to get their revenge on him for acting all high and mighty when using Ambers money and for how he talked to that one producer in Vegas. His “celebrity” vanished overnight and he’s BROKE!

I want a tell all book. Even though it will put money in his pocket, I want to know how Amber was behind closed doors because then maybe that will get the remaining leg humpers off her leg and eventually the show will be canceled.

ETA: I meant for this to be in the Amber thread. I’m sorry.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Calm81

[For Cereals]

18 hours ago, Teddybear said:

Um, I'd like to see a little more of Madison, Ryan's cousin.  Damn!!!  Where has he been all these years?

Debra and Farrah had a reasonably enjoyable day, yet at dinner Juice Newton decides to bring up Simon?  Why would she stir the gnocchi pot like that? 

Juice Newton *snort*

Agree on Madison!

[CandysWrapRoom]

On 1/16/2018 at 8:18 PM, Jeanne222 said:

I am thinking she'll have Leah take care of the baby!!!

I don't think Gary will let that happen.  Don't need to do that.  They are in full charge of Leah and Amber remains their money tree!  Gary is very wise with finances.  He adores that support check every month!

Except she hasn't paid for months.

[Cherry Cola]

How do people have random unprotected sex with someone they just met? I'm talking about Amber.  That part squicks me out.  Gross. Does she know for sure he was disease free? These are the questions I have.  

[lezlers]

3 minutes ago, Cherry Cola said:

How do people have random unprotected sex with someone they just met? I'm talking about Amber.  That part squicks me out.  Gross. Does she know for sure he was disease free? These are the questions I have.  

Well we all know she's got mental health issues and people with those issues tend to engage in reckless behavior. If she's bi-polar she could've been in a manic state.  Not that it's an excuse for her irresponsible ass, just maybe a bit of an explanation.  

[CofCinci]

17 minutes ago, Calm81 said:

I think Amber isn’t trying to get the money Matt stole from her because Matt’s probably thrown out the “Come after me for the money and I’ll have my publisher on speed dial for a ‘tell all’ book on your lazy ass.” It just seems odd that she will allow this man to play her on national television and not want some sort of revenge for it.

Something tells me Matt is going to do this book as things may get desperate for him. Since he never shared a child with her he’s not being filmed anymore like Nathan, and Javi are for not being the original dads. MTV has made it look like he’s never existed to get their revenge on him for acting all high and mighty when using Ambers money and for how he talked to that one producer in Vegas. His “celebrity” vanished overnight and he’s BROKE!

I want a tell all book. Even though it will put money in his pocket, I want to know how Amber was behind closed doors because then maybe that will get the remaining leg humpers off her leg and eventually the show will be canceled.

ETA: I meant for this to be in the Amber thread. I’m sorry.

Book?  I think he has sex videos.  Matt ain't no James Deen though -- so I doubt Amber's porn would get as many hits as Farrah's.

[Jeanne222]

1 hour ago, allienc said:

Except she hasn't paid for months.

Just reading support is 1200 a month so it has been months.  I wonder why Gary is putting up with that.  Doesn't seem he would give Amber much slack with her neglect of Leah.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Jeanne222

[MargeGunderson]

15 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

ETA: I just remembered when Amber was defending Matt against allegations of his non-payment of child support. Amber said she couldn't judge Matt on that because she had done the same thing. Tell me I am remembering that right. 

That sounds way too self-aware and accepting responsibility to ever come out of Amber's mouth. 

[Lusterleaf]

21 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Buddies, who becomes pregnant first: Cate or Mack?

Mack, so she can forever guarantee she will be involved in some way on Teen Mom

[teapot]

6 minutes ago, Lusterleaf said:

Mack, so she can forever guarantee she will be involved in some way on Teen Mom

I don't think Cate enjoys being a mom.   I feel like she's in no rush. (sorry so cynical, but could this have anything to do w/the boomerang rehab situation?)

[TeenMomAngerMgmt]

2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Just reading support is 1200 a month so it has been months.  I wonder why Gary is putting up with that.  Doesn't seem he would give Amber much slack with her neglect of Leah.

It may just be easier to keep the peace and gather evidence. I feel like he would prefer Amber not pay and be involved in Leah’s life than vice versa. If his “hounding” her for money would prevent her from coming around, he’d rather do without the money. 

[Kroliosis]

As has been mentioned in Amber's thread, she is an independent contractor for MTV and is not on a regular payroll schedule.  I think I read they get one big check when the season wraps?  She doesn't have monthly income to pay Gary.  Heaven forbid she actually set the lump sum child support aside and pay it monthly or GASP prepay a year.  She has rent, leased cars and all those presents for Leah to buy on her vacations from her stressful life to pay for. 

Edited January 18, 2018 by Kroliosis
words are hard

[CaliforniaLove]

4 hours ago, Cherry Cola said:

How do people have random unprotected sex with someone they just met? I'm talking about Amber.  That part squicks me out.  Gross. Does she know for sure he was disease free? These are the questions I have.  

And speaking of the sex, I think this is proof positive that Andrew has always had an ulterior motive...he's not exactly a spring chicken, doesn't have any prior children & was with girls in the past that he was so obsessed with he had restraining orders filed against him...why didn't he "pull out", or do whatever it is he has been doing for the past 20 or so years that hasn't landed him in this position before? He was primed & ready to "pull the trigger" so to speak. OK, I'm going to go vomit now. 

[GreatKazu]

4 hours ago, lezlers said:

Right, that makes sense.  I was just responding to the previous post that said she owed from "when she was in prison", which wouldn't be accurate.  I might have read that incorrectly, however. I think we all can agree she owes a shit ton of support and is a lazy no good excuse for a "parent" by not paying it while simultaneously going on expensive vacations and buying expensive cars.

It was my error. I meant to post she owed from when she was released from prison.

 @CofCinci thanks for clarifying my point. 

2 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

That sounds way too self-aware and accepting responsibility to ever come out of Amber's mouth. 

I don't think it is being self-aware as much as how much gaslighting Matt was doing to her throughout the relationship. Matt's gaslighting and manipulating included throwing it in her face about her own faults. It was a maneuver in order to remind her she can't come after him for whatever he has done because they were both "addicts" when they BOTH committed sins in their past. He played the addict card very well and Amber fell for it. Just like he told her he had relapsed which would explain away his cheating texts. He knew no matter what information came out about him, he had Amber there to defend him even if it meant she had to throw herself under the bus and remind the world she can't judge the guy for his past mistakes as an addict since she was one, too.  

[ReadMeLattice]

5 hours ago, lezlers said:

Just to be clear, child support orders are typically stayed when the owing parent is incarcerated.  So the couch monster wouldn't owe anything from the time she was in prison.  Before and after, yes.  But not during.  I'm with you on the rest.  I'm shocked Amber isn't getting the kind of deadbeat parent hate that Matt did for not paying his support.  She's just as bad.

I agree. LOL but I think to be fair, that was also more publicized because he had like a Duggar family's worth of children with 87 different moms.

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Didn't some claim that it fell out?

Ha, yea, I'm pretty sure they did. (Probably after they spent an hour yanking on it.)

[EmeraldGirl]

I thought Sophia was actually kind of cute in Italy. She’s got to get over growling and making weird faces though. But she is treated like an infant still, so no school is the worst thing for her. Farrah must bring a sitter on these trips, right? You know she’s not sitting alone with her in the hotel after hours. Farrah needs a rich husband so Sophia can go to boarding school. It’s amazing how Farrah can be normal with outsiders. Amy and Derek’s family seem to be treated well. And she looks positively normal with Amy’s daughter.  

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Farrah needs a rich husband so Sophia can go to boarding school.

I disagree that Farrah needs a rich husband so Sophia can go to boarding school, but I think boarding school is a fabulous idea.  For obvious reasons.  But I'm sure Farrah could be convinced that it has nothing to do with her.

[EmeraldGirl]

Well, I only mention the rich husband because I think that’s what Farrah has been aiming for. She been looking for that proposal forever. She just wanted any guy to marry, now her tastes are much richer. Not that she can’t do it on her own, but I think a lot of her bitchiness is tied to supporting everyone. I wish she’d cut off Debra for good, but I don’t mind her helping Michael since he seems to be helping her a lot. 

[mamadrama]

2 hours ago, teapot said:

I don't think Cate enjoys being a mom.   I feel like she's in no rush. (sorry so cynical, but could this have anything to do w/the boomerang rehab situation?)

I don't think she enjoys it either. I also think that she might be one of those people who feels guilty that she doesn't enjoy it and that one of the reasons she wants to have another baby is to prove, to herself and to others, that she CAN do it. 

[SPLAIN]

6 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Just reading support is 1200 a month so it has been months.  I wonder why Gary is putting up with that.  Doesn't seem he would give Amber much slack with her neglect of Leah.

I wonder why Amber just doesn't pay up.

The onus is on Amber.

[CandysWrapRoom]

On 1/17/2018 at 1:42 AM, Bridget said:

I am with you!

I still don't believe she's under 200lbs. I see people built like her every day and I know how much they really do weigh (from their annual PE class weigh ins for state testing).

For the record, It's not illegal for me to access the info;  it's on their profile just the same as if I were searching for a kid's current grades.

I dunno, I am 5'4' and weigh 210 and look smaller than her.  They say each inch "adds" 10 lbs, so if she was my height and the same proportions she'd weigh 219.  Seems about right to me.