Figure Skating

[HartofDixie]

[walnutqueen]

10 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

Yes. Screenshot I took of the stream. Poor Gabby :( 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Guess that goddamned cataract surgery wasn't as miraculous as I'd been led to believe ... all I see is a mere suggestion of an arelola and a mole that needs to be checked out.   ;-)

Edited February 19, 2018 by Athena
added spoiler tag

[Growsonwalls]

1 minute ago, Bama said:

And the above screenshot isn't as bad as the end when she had her back arched - her entire nipple was very obviously out.  I felt so sorry for her.

Yeah not exactly the Olympic debut of your dreams. But her death glare in the K&C probably struck fear in Scary Babs' heart. I do NOT want to be Guillaume Cizeron right now.

[Chaser]

The Shibs are going to have to pull out a hell of a free skate. Given how their free has been received this year, it won't be easy. 

I wish they had allowed P/C to fix her costume and restart. 

[GeminiDancer]

1 minute ago, Chaser said:

The Shibs are going to have to pull out a hell of a free skate. Given how their free has been received this year, it won't be easy. 

I wish they had allowed P/C to fix her costume and restart. 

If they didn't do it for the Korean team during the team event, it wasn't going to happen for them.

[displayname]

6 minutes ago, HartofDixie said:

V/M after P/C to adjust PCS in case they're both perfect.

 

But if anyone can be perfect, it's V/M.

 

H/D will win bronze.

Edited February 19, 2018 by fan94

[Lilac2000]

23 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

26 minutes ago, Lilac2000 said:

And if an earlier couple got a deduction for a wardrobe malfunction than Papadakis and Cizeron should definitely have received one for actual partial nudity. Ugh. 

Are you talking about the pair from the team event? Or did another couple have a wardrobe malfunction tonight?

Sorry...I might have have misread something. I thought I had heard a couple in an earlier flight had a deduction for something fringe-related. 

Oh, wait...there maybe was a deduction?

Edited February 19, 2018 by Lilac2000
Maybe there was an earlier fringe-related incident?

[Dots And Stripes]

3 minutes ago, Chaser said:

The Shibs are going to have to pull out a hell of a free skate. Given how their free has been received this year, it won't be easy. 

I wish they had allowed P/C to fix her costume and restart. 

I wonder if whatever rule Tonya Harding took advantage of (I mean when she went over the judges with a lace issue) would have helped them. I don't know what anyone could have done since they kept going. It would have been one thing if they stopped, but to stop them or to give them a re-do at the end don't seem like good options.

2 minutes ago, fan94 said:

V/M after P/C to adjust PCS in case they're both perfect.

 

But if anyone can be perfect, it's V/M.

 

H/D will win bronze.

If the idea is to adjust a score to make sure P/C win, it wouldn't matter who went first. If that's the game, they could lower V/M or raise P/C to engineer the result. As long as V/M can control their nerves, going last should be an advantage.

[Growsonwalls]

Apparently Gabriella just gave an angry interview on French tv. Guillaume is probably hiding with Tessa and Scott's secret babies right now.

[stealinghome]

Just now, Growsonwalls said:

Apparently Gabriella just gave an angry interview on French tv. Guillaume is probably hiding with Tessa and Scott's secret babies right now.

ROFL!!!

In all seriousness, I don't remember there being nearly as many wardrobe malfunctions at past Olympics (wasn't there also one in the team pairs or ice dance?). Is it my faulty memory, or what the heck is going on this year??

[basiltherat]

Only in Ice Dancing would there be a wardrobe malfunction to rival Miss Jackson's from the Super Bowl!  Love affairs, mate switches and secret children!

Question:  Didn't there used to be THREE parts to the Ice Dance competition.  One the same pattern repeated, the second a dance-du-jour, and then the free dance?

Also, I think it was Tanith that said V/M if they won a medal would be the most awarded figure skaters ever.  Did she mean ice dancer or any ice skater, because I think Sonja Henie has three golds and Irina Rodnina the same with two different partners.

[twoods]

Why make him feel more horrible than he already does? It was clearly an accident. They are a team and they can fall off the podium if they let this mistake cost them a medal. I hope she’s not being too hard on him.

I don’t like how the wardrobe malfunction is overshadowing the overscoring of that duo. They looked lethargic and not completely with it. Why the high scores? 

Edited February 19, 2018 by twoods

[GeminiDancer]

Just now, basiltherat said:

Question:  Didn't there used to be THREE parts to the Ice Dance competition.  One the same pattern repeated, the second a dance-du-jour, and then the free dance?

There were three parts, but they combined the compulsaries and the short program into the short dance.

[Minneapple]

2 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Apparently Gabriella just gave an angry interview on French tv. Guillaume is probably hiding with Tessa and Scott's secret babies right now.

LOL. He's telling them, "Kids, before you get out there on the ice, make sure you won't have a wardrobe malfunction. Now, TWIZZLE!"

[MaKaM]

2 minutes ago, basiltherat said:

Only in Ice Dancing would there be a wardrobe malfunction to rival Miss Jackson's from the Super Bowl!  Love affairs, mate switches and secret children!

Question:  Didn't there used to be THREE parts to the Ice Dance competition.  One the same pattern repeated, the second a dance-du-jour, and then the free dance?

Also, I think it was Tanith that said V/M if they won a medal would be the most awarded figure skaters ever.  Did she mean ice dancer or any ice skater, because I think Sonja Henie has three golds and Irina Rodnina the same with two different partners.

They also have team medals. 2 golds and 2 silvers is their current count I think. 

[Growsonwalls]

I think the SD this year led to a lot of very skimpy, barely-there costumes. Even more so than usual. Pairs and singles skaters rarely wear the kind of super strappy, barely-there costumes. 

Also with Gabby ... this is not something she can really help but she's very flat-chested and probably needed a costume that was wider around the chest area. 

Here is her ecstatic K&C look:

 

[stealinghome]

4 minutes ago, basiltherat said:

Also, I think it was Tanith that said V/M if they won a medal would be the most awarded figure skaters ever.  Did she mean ice dancer or any ice skater, because I think Sonja Henie has three golds and Irina Rodnina the same with two different partners.

I believe that they have four medals--two individual and two team.

ETA: MaKaM beat me to it!

Edited February 19, 2018 by stealinghome

[BitterApple]

32 minutes ago, Karabean said:

Well I guess I am in the minority because I don't think the Shibutani's got hosed.  I don't find them interesting at all - they do a good twizzle, but other than that they just plaster fake looking smiles on their faces and that's it.  No intensity, no emotion.  Nothing remarkable at all.  Their free dance is also not great so I do not think they will medal and I don't think they deserve to.  I think H/D's free dance is much better.  Their SD music is meh to me, but I don't see how the Shibs are so far and away better.

It's funny because I loved the Shibs, but my mother was in your camp where she thought H/D was the better team and she would've put them second behind V/M.

[Minneapple]

I don't know what's more amusing -- Madison's fake smiles or Gabrielle's bitchface. Gabrielle's bitchface is rivaling Sasha Cohen's.

[Dots And Stripes]

From USA Today

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The accident took place when Papadakis threw herself backwards on the final element of the performance and her costume rode upwards in a revealing manner. The incident was shown live on international television and was later replayed on slow motion screens in the arena.

Papadakis had tears streaming down her face as she moved through the media interview zone, leaving her partner Cizeron to take most of the questions for her.

and 

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When USA TODAY Sports asked Papadakis if she was okay, the 22-year-old just said “not great,” with a sad laugh.

I'm sure whoever put up the replay didn't realize exactly what happened, but that is still a bad mistake. 

[basiltherat]

Gabby vs Scary Babs in a stare-off!

[selkie]

1 hour ago, Shaynaa said:

Is she supposed to look like a peacock?  If not, yikes.  STill not as bad as that Canadian before.  Is there some rule that ice dance costumes have to look absolutely ridiculous?

It's a Latin year, so break out the bedazzler and be sure to make it extra tacky because the judges love it trashy for those years. 

[HartofDixie]

32 minutes ago, MaKaM said:

Can anyone get the detailed pdf to open? I wanted to know the final levels. 

Eta: note to skaters, if you are going to have a sexy naked dress, have some backup tape or construction just in case! 

 

http://skatingscores.com/2018/oly/dance/short/tss/

 

Edited February 19, 2018 by HartofDixie

[Growsonwalls]

3 minutes ago, basiltherat said:

Gabby vs Scary Babs in a stare-off!

Hmm.

This:

vs.

 

[ChicksDigScars]

8 hours ago, stealinghome said:

ROFL!!!

In all seriousness, I don't remember there being nearly as many wardrobe malfunctions at past Olympics (wasn't there also one in the team pairs or ice dance?). Is it my faulty memory, or what the heck is going on this year??

I've been waiting for this. Marie-France seems to like dressing her ladies in sexy costuming with plunging, nekkid backs, to fit the faux romance narrative. I was waiting for one of these costumes to come apart. Don't they use double sided tape, or glue or whatever they use in Hollywood during award season? I mean, it may not do any good, since they're athletes, but hell....can't hurt to try. 

 

If you're going to be following the overall trend of choreographing routines as 50 Shades of Skating, and dress your ladies as such, there will be wardrobe malfunctions. 

Edited February 19, 2018 by ChicksDigScars

[Thumper]

I thought Tanith said that the P/C woman had someone sew her neckline up before they went on the ice, because it had appeared fragile or somesuch.  Then her partner's hand somehow accidentally opened it up at the beginning.  Was she really mad at him?  I didn't see it, but then I didn't see the nip slip either.  Sorry, I don't remember their names -- casual viewer.

Why do many of the male skaters wear the deep-vee open-chest shirts?   It is icky-1970's-ish to me.  Add a porn-stache and gold chains to add to the effect.

[annzeepark914]

Had to come back and read the latest posts.  Hey Gabriella:  if you don't want to have issues with your costume, quit wearing flimsy outfits that break easily.  Ice dance is much more athletic nowadays than it was back in the 60's and 70's when they did ballroom dancing on ice (back when there were no grabs around the neck or flipping a female over and around the male's shoulders).

[COESpiral]

Right now I'm willing to bet that every female skater that's ever had the same embarrassing nip slip wardrobe malfunction has been tweeting Gabby with support.  Poor woman.  It's one thing for it to air live on tv, but to have it shown in the arena in slo-mo???  Now that's crass and insulting!

[stealinghome]

5 minutes ago, Dots And Stripes said:

From USA Today

and 

I'm sure whoever put up the replay didn't realize exactly what happened, but that is still a bad mistake. 

Okay, I still think P/C got wildly overscored, but this makes me feel terrible for her. I can't believe they didn't notice it and replayed it on the big screens at the arena--that's really awful. Poor kid. She must feel so embarrassed right now.

1 minute ago, ChicksDigScars said:

If you're going to following the overall trend of choreographing routines as 50 Shades of Skating, and dress your ladies as such, there will be wardrobe malfunctions. 

On the other hand, this made me crack the hell up.

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Right now I'm willing to bet that every female skater that's ever had the same embarrassing nip slip wardrobe malfunction has been tweeting Gabby with support.  Poor woman. 

Forget female figure skaters, I think pretty much every woman on Twitter has been tweeting support at Gabby. You could hear the shivers in Tara and Tanith's voices as they talked about it.

[Irlandesa]

I guess we aren't going to get through a February without a sports related nip slip.  The smoothness of the Half Time show fooled us. I feel bad for her mostly because I think keeping up her outfit meant she couldn't concentrate the way she wanted to on her short program.

V/M are going last--they aren't getting screwed there.

[Jeddah]

Cizeron’s costume was new. He hadn’t worn sleeves in the short dance all year. Did something on his sleeves catch?

I just feel so bad for both of them. They kept it together really well considering how distracting that had to be. What a bad start to their Olympics.

[methadonna]

(I’m a few skates behind). Tanith just taught me that Pap and Ciz’s choreographer picked that (non-pop-n-sizz) music to “remind everyone that they’re really young.”

 

Did their costumer pick that dress to remind the casting agency for the fourth non-equity bus-n-truck tour of Tarzan that, after they’re handed the gold and finish the post-Olympic Ice show circuit, she’s available?

 

ETA: I wrote this before the wardrobe malfunction. Even though there was basically nothing before the wardrobe malfunction. I guess she’s keeping her options (and top) open: if skating and Tarzan don’t work out, there’s always Super Bowl Halftime Show headliner to fall back on. Silly Madison1 only has NBC anthropomorphic peacock and Pride parade float on lock. (Not trying to pick on the women; we just already learned at  the team event that the men go shopping for a new a partner, when they described (forgot who: may have been in pairs but) one who “went to Russia, had three to try out, but just knew he’d found her and really lucked out with this one,” word-for-word, like, interchangeable with some retrograde mail-order bride catalogue story to be featured on the upcoming 1983 season of 90-Day Fiancé).

Addendum: even if her top had fallen completely off, I think she’d still have had more coverage than Hubbell. I don’t personally care if they want to go out there naked (for many tonight, it would have been a sartorial improvement), but I thought there were explicit (fsvo explicit, just like the new scoring system, not like the costumes. So, same thing) rules wrt exposure and such. And Madison2’s egregiously seems to violate that in both letter and intent. She should lose at least 0.06 points. Maybe I missed it because I was so dazzled bored by her performance, but I didn’t think Madison2’s costume had the illusion fabric covering her torso; the only illusion I saw was whatever kind of “magic” got that contraption to stay on and in place. 

[HartofDixie]

15 minutes ago, HartofDixie said:

http://skatingscores.com/2018/oly/dance/short/tss/

 

So the Canadian judge is the President of Skate Canada - that is a huge conflict of interest! Also note that the US judge had P/C first the also ranked H/D over the Shibs.

[surreysmum]

Didier sabotaged the dress to get them a deal-closing sympathy bump in the PCS for the free dance.

Just kidding. I think. I wouldn't put anything past that man, or the French (or Russian) federations.

And Gabi has my total sympathy (but she would not get a sympathy bump in her scores from me). And I hope anybody who uses the term about "bitch face" has also applied that same term to a man sometime in the last few hours. Otherwise, you are supporting the narrative that women (and only women) have to smile, smile, smile no matter what.

[MaKaM]

16 minutes ago, HartofDixie said:

http://skatingscores.com/2018/oly/dance/short/tss/

 

Wow. Guess we know where USFSA is putting their marbles... Sorry Shibs, you on your own. And, Canada and Turkey don't like you either. 

[Dots And Stripes]

7 minutes ago, Jeddah said:

Cizeron’s costume was new. He hadn’t worn sleeves in the short dance all year. Did something on his sleeves catch?

I just feel so bad for both of them. They kept it together really well considering how distracting that had to be. What a bad start to their Olympics.

NBC just showed the press conference and included a slow mo replay of the costume becoming undone. It didn't look to me like the sleeve was a problem.

So during the press conference P/C were holding hands and she didn't seem as devastated as USA Today said she was on the press line. 

[stealinghome]

2 minutes ago, HartofDixie said:

So the Canadian judge is the President of Skate Canada - that is a huge conflict of interest! Also note that the US judge had P/C first the also ranked H/D over the Shibs.

And the US judge actually had the widest margin by which H/D beat the Shibs. Turkey was the only other judge to be anywhere close to the same gap.

[HartofDixie]

[Jeddah]

5 minutes ago, surreysmum said:

And I hope anybody who uses the term about "bitch face" has also applied that same term to a man sometime in the last few hours. Otherwise, you are supporting the narrative that women (and only women) have to smile, smile, smile no matter what.

Oh, I have definitely used the term “bitch face” to describe men. It’s rampant in all parts of figure skating!

This is ice dancing. Having to perform and “smile, smile, smile no matter what” is a huge part of the sport for both men and women. I’m not supporting a sexist narrative by expecting the skaters to perform and sell their programs.

[Minneapple]

25 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Had to come back and read the latest posts.  Hey Gabriella:  if you don't want to have issues with your costume, quit wearing flimsy outfits that break easily.  Ice dance is much more athletic nowadays than it was back in the 60's and 70's when they did ballroom dancing on ice (back when there were no grabs around the neck or flipping a female over and around the male's shoulders).

This is about where I'm at. I feel bad that her nip slip was played slo-mo on the big screens. But dude, if I was wearing a skimpy costume like that in front of an entire arena of people and during an event to be broadcast around the world, you're damn sure I'm wearing that thing every day, doing somersaults and cartwheels and tugging at it this way and that to make sure it doesn't come off. And put some double-sided tape on the thing! And maybe I'm just getting old and want to cover up the skaters like I'm their mom, but it seems like the ladies' outfits have become really skimpy and flimsy. At least make sure your costume is well-made. 

[AshleyN]

58 minutes ago, HartofDixie said:

http://skatingscores.com/2018/oly/dance/short/tss/

 

Okay, France was expected, but what did Tessa and Scott ever do to that US judge?

Lol at the blatant homerism all around though. Can they just let Japan and Israel judge the competition alone? They seem reasonable enough.

Edited February 19, 2018 by AshleyN

[Dots And Stripes]

7 minutes ago, Minneapple said:

This is about where I'm at. I feel bad that her nip slip was played slo-mo on the big screens. But dude, if I was wearing a skimpy costume like that in front of an entire arena of people and during an event to be broadcast around the world, you're damn sure I'm wearing that thing every day, doing somersaults and cartwheels and tugging at it this way and that to make sure it doesn't come off. And put some double-sided tape on the thing! And maybe I'm just getting old and want to cover up the skaters like I'm their mom, but it seems like the ladies' outfits have become really skimpy and flimsy. At least make sure your costume is well-made. 

I cut her a little more slack. I think it's reasonable to trust coaches and your costume designer to not give her anything that won't hold up. I think this is the costume she's been wearing all season. It's hard to know if anyone has had concerns about the costume in the past and what they did about it. Unless someone has more info, it's not clear to me if Gabriella was living dangerously as far as the costume goes or if she had raised concerns. Either way, I'm sure no costume choice is made without several people signing off. Even though there's a team behind them who may share blame, it's Gabriella who gets to deal with the embarrassment of her body being exposed when she didn't want it to be. I feel bad for her.

[Harry24]

The costume is a new one for this competition.

And IMO the shame of it is not merely embarrassment at one's body being exposed but that this performance that they've been working their entire careers towards suddenly becomes all about the costume malfunction.  Nobody's talking about their wonderful skating.  Everyone's talking about the wardrobe problem and how they were unfairly held up in the scoring.  It's a shame, and I feel terrible for them.  I hope they can do a performance in the FD that will make everyone forget tonight and think of them as superb skaters and artists first.

[kili]

I just don't think the broadcasters or the commentators noticed it at first. The CBC team didn't notice the top was an issue until the replay. The female commentator states that fortunately, there are enough straps on the dress so it keep everything altogether. As she gets to the last bit of that sentence, they are showing the slow-mo of Gabby arching her back and you can hear the dismay creep into the commentator's voice as she realizes the straps did not in fact "keep everything together". 

Usually, the videos are available right away to replay, but not tonight. I wonder if they are doing some editing in post. 

[Vera]

16 minutes ago, AshleyN said:

Okay, France was expected, but what did Tessa and Scott ever do to that US judge?

Sharon Rogers. Last year, she marked them below all three of the U.S teams. 

The highest and lowest scores get thrown away. 

[Dots And Stripes]

3 minutes ago, kili said:

I just don't think the broadcasters or the commentators noticed it at first. The CBC team didn't notice the top was an issue until the replay. The female commentator states that fortunately, there are enough straps on the dress so it keep everything altogether. As she gets to the last bit of that sentence, they are showing the slow-mo of Gabby arching her back and you can hear the dismay creep into the commentator's voice as she realizes the straps did not in fact "keep everything together". 

Usually, the videos are available right away to replay, but not tonight. I wonder if they are doing some editing in post. 

Tanith White did the commentary for the U.S. and she caught it at the very beginning of the performance. 

 

7 minutes ago, Harry24 said:

The costume is a new one for this competition.

And IMO the shame of it is not merely embarrassment at one's body being exposed but that this performance that they've been working their entire careers towards suddenly becomes all about the costume malfunction.  Nobody's talking about their wonderful skating.  Everyone's talking about the wardrobe problem and how they were unfairly held up in the scoring.  It's a shame, and I feel terrible for them.  I hope they can do a performance in the FD that will make everyone forget tonight and think of them as superb skaters and artists first.

Thanks. It looked very similar to what I had seen in past pictures. It's definitely a lesson for her coach moving forward: do not try a new costume at the Olympics. 

[Vera]

Four of the judges will be switched out for the FD tomorrow.

[caracas1914]

Ok so the Canadian judge had Weaver/Poje in the 3rd spot...

[surreysmum]

5 minutes ago, AshleyN said:

Okay, France was expected, but what did Tessa and Scott ever do to that US judge?

Back in the bad old days of ordinal judging, scrambling the ordinals of the frontrunners (especially if you had a few colleagues willing to go along with you) was a good way to improve the chances of your country's slightly lower-ranked skater(s) to come up the middle to a surprise win (or silver) because of all the byzantine tiebreaker rules. But I don't think that's supposed to happen any more with the current scoring system? Still, didn't H/D manage to place 1st at US Nationals by coming second in both segments, just to different teams? Order-scrambling's still possible, even if order doesn't directly determine final placement. So a certain amount of going against the perceived ranking order in a very tight field -just by a point or two, not enough to get you sanctioned - might be a way of tightening the field up even more, to the possible benefit of your underdog team if there should be some slight faltering by one of the teams in front of them.

Or the US judge could just have seen (or thought he/she had seen) something he/she is less tolerant of than other judges, and always marks down hard. Who knows? After years and years of trying quite hard to see and understand what ice dance judges see and do, I've decided it's better for my sanity to just fall back on nationalism and "I-know-what-I-like" and "oh-the-hell-with-it." :(

As a Canadian who knows what she likes (brilliant skating and happy Canadians), I hope all the top skaters skate lights-out in the free, that everybody's costume stays on them and off the ice, and that Virtue & Moir get the gold in a very close but entirely uncontroversial decision. Yeah, I'm probably asking too much.

[HartofDixie]