Season 8 Finale Special - Check Up w/Dr. Drew Part 1

[DangerousMinds]

In Dr. Drew's defense, these people ARE trash. It would be hard for me to fake thinking otherwise as well

[ghoulina]

56 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

In Dr. Drew's defense, these people ARE trash. It would be hard for me to fake thinking otherwise as well

Yea, but with his comments about it being good to "contain" a woman, he's trash as well, IMO. And all the degrees and zip codes in the world won't change that. 

[GreatKazu]

13 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Yea, but with his comments about it being good to "contain" a woman, he's trash as well, IMO. And all the degrees and zip codes in the world won't change that. 

Yes. Drew is front and center on a tv show which is viewed by many people. I find it egregious that he used the word in the context in which he said it. I can't wrap my head around it. What makes it even more eye-rolling is the fact that Jenelle is not this calm, demure person since David has come into her life. 

[FairyDusted]

*Puff Puff Pass*  Ok. I don't think we can wait much longer for this trip. I'm packing because I believe we have 2 episodes this week and we will be ready to go the next morning. More than likely that night. 

[SheTalksShit]

On 11/17/2017 at 11:23 AM, GreatKazu said:

Javi lives in Jo's neighborhood which isn't that far from Kanal's post-divorce home (Javi' and Kanal's marital home). 

No, I meant Kail believes it's a revenge thing bc Javi and Briana live so far away. But I personally don't believe that's the case. 

[FozzyBear]

Janelle has major abandonment issues. Her thing with David is he won’t leave her. She basically said as long as he doesn’t leave her that’s all she cares about. The crazy thing is he threatens to do that all the time to make her chase him. She is so fucked up. I hate to go to this place and no disrespect to anyone’s past or choices, but when the MTV money runs out I see David pushing her into pornography(and likely less regulated stuff) and prostitution.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

4 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

but when the MTV money runs out I see David pushing her into pornography(and likely less regulated stuff) and prostitution.

I could, too, but.....it wouldn't last long. Pornography and prostitution are both work that would require Jenelle leaving the couch and her bathroom.

[FozzyBear]

Honestly, I just see some sort of sex work in Janelle’s future. Again, no disrespect to anyone here. My hope for Janelle is that she ends up in the more legitimate, regulated end of it, but I fear she’ll end up a victim of the nastier end. 

[Maharincess]

4 minutes ago, FozzyBear said:

Honestly, I just see some sort of sex work in Janelle’s future. Again, no disrespect to anyone here. My hope for Janelle is that she ends up in the more legitimate, regulated end of it, but I fear she’ll end up a victim of the nastier end. 

The nastier end of anything is exactly where she belongs. 

[HeySandyStrange]

2 minutes ago, FozzyBear said:

Honestly, I just see some sort of sex work in Janelle’s future. Again, no disrespect to anyone here. My hope for Janelle is that she ends up in the more legitimate, regulated end of it, but I fear she’ll end up a victim of the nastier end. 

I can't see Jenelle being a high end escort. Outside of her being just a little above average looking, at best, her personality sucks. Yeah, I get that people pay for the sex, not charm, but from what I gather, when it comes to the higher end sex workers, they often need to have something else going on for them then the sex. Jenelle is like nails on a chalkboard, who wants to pay top dollar for that? 

[Christina]

Enty disclosed that Jenelle tried to get a porn filmed by Vivid, like Farrah, but she couldn't pass the STI test. Enty has a lot of problems, partially because it's been sold and many of the stories when it comes to C-list celebrities and below are completely made up based on who will be in the photos on Daily Mail. They also let these losers send in blinds about themselves and others, and one of the "insiders" who had sent in a lot of stories about people had falsified connections, submitted stories, kept track of everything, and eventually disclosed the things she was submitting, so that the people who read the site would understand that they are stupid to believe that trash, when most didn't but enjoyed the guessing game. One of the people she told stories about was Jenelle.

As much as it might not be true, it's completely believable that she would try and jump on that train because it looked like it was working out so well for Farrah. 

[teapot]

46 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

I can't see Jenelle being a high end escort. Outside of her being just a little above average looking, at best, her personality sucks.

wouldn't that sentence also describe Farrah?

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, teapot said:

wouldn't that sentence also describe Farrah?

Farrah can turn her personality off and on. Watching her on the Being Simon special was a breath of fresh air. 

[FairyDusted]

She wouldn't even have to leave her bed or bathroom. The move to the couch is too stressful her Dudes! 

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, Christina said:

Enty disclosed that Jenelle tried to get a porn filmed by Vivid, like Farrah, but she couldn't pass the STI test. Enty has a lot of problems, partially because it's been sold and many of the stories when it comes to C-list celebrities and below are completely made up based on who will be in the photos on Daily Mail. They also let these losers send in blinds about themselves and others, and one of the "insiders" who had sent in a lot of stories about people had falsified connections, submitted stories, kept track of everything, and eventually disclosed the things she was submitting, so that the people who read the site would understand that they are stupid to believe that trash, when most didn't but enjoyed the guessing game. One of the people she told stories about was Jenelle.

As much as it might not be true, it's completely believable that she would try and jump on that train because it looked like it was working out so well for Farrah. 

I remember that. And she said SHE turned the porn offer down, because there wasn't enough money in the world to make her forgo her morals, or something equally ridiculous.

 

If you have a moral problem with porn (and you're willing to apply that problem to ALL those involved in the porn industry, including your husband, boyfriend, father, brother, son, etc that WATCHES it), fine, but someone who has abandoned her child, assaulted someone, gotten arrested 14 times, has stolen from her own mother, has emotionally abused her child, has absolutely NO business discussing her morals getting in the way of doing something.

 

ETA: Here is what she went on the record as saying:

 

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They contacted my lawyer and wanted to offer me $1.5 million. I told my lawyer to respond for me and say, 'No thank you, not interested but flattered.' My future and reputation is more important than gaining a quick buck. And it's against my morals as a person. That's just so disrespectful to yourself.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Tatum

[GreatKazu]

Why would they contact her lawyer? Why not her agent? 

There is a funny joke in there somewhere, but I am too tired. Long day. 

[HeySandyStrange]

54 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I remember that. And she said SHE turned the porn offer down, because there wasn't enough money in the world to make her forgo her morals, or something equally ridiculous.

 

If you have a moral problem with porn (and you're willing to apply that problem to ALL those involved in the porn industry, including your husband, boyfriend, father, brother, son, etc that WATCHES it), fine, but someone who has abandoned her child, assaulted someone, gotten arrested 14 times, has stolen from her own mother, has emotionally abused her child, has absolutely NO business discussing her morals getting in the way of doing something.

 

ETA: Here is what she went on the record as saying:

 

Seriously, Jenelle looking down on porn because of her "morals" is fucking laughable. Not long ago, I watched the documentary After Porn Ends, and frankly, Jenelle couldn't hold a candle to most of those actresses for human decently, intelligence, or even self-awareness. And, la gasp, some of them were devoted mothers who got into porn to give their children a better life, something Jenelle couldn't fathom. She's pretty much too trashy for even high quality porn.

Edited November 22, 2017 by HeySandyStrange

[Bridget]

 ON 11/16/2017 AT 2:24 PM, @MAHARINCESS SAID:

 

I want to go on this road trip you're all planning. I'm in a wheelchair most of the time and won't be able to drive but I can provide a handicap parking pass!   And I grow my own really good shit so I can supply the weed for everyone, I even make my own gummies and edibles.   Being in the wheelchair I can't kick ass like I'd want but I can hold your purses while you kick ass. 

Please, can I go?! 

On 11/16/2017 at 3:31 PM, Jennifersdc said:

Good weed and handicapped parking pass?

I might even spring for plane ticket from DC...

I don't smoke, but is too high maintenance to ask for (zero THC) sugar free vegan gummy bears? I don't even know if those are a real thing, but you had me at "gummies!"

I do have way too many airlines miles that are accruing and not being used. We will work it out!

Edited November 22, 2017 by Bridget
gummy bears have feelings too

[Booted]

6 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Honestly, I just see some sort of sex work in Janelle’s future. Again, no disrespect to anyone here. My hope for Janelle is that she ends up in the more legitimate, regulated end of it, but I fear she’ll end up a victim of the nastier end. 

This would be her sister wouldnt it? I read here that her sister had a problem with escorting and lost her child for a while because of it. Also she had to be told by the court to stop taking part in such activities. 

[Scarlett45]

11 minutes ago, Booted said:

This would be her sister wouldnt it? I read here that her sister had a problem with escorting and lost her child for a while because of it. Also she had to be told by the court to stop taking part in such activities. 

From what I gathered that wasn’t actually the case. Ashleigh’s Ex husband posted her full name and a photo of her in a magazine for escorts, to get back at her for leaving him- she was a victim of revenge porn. She argued to the court that she wasn’t actually an escort because what escort uses her full legal name in the business? She was told to not participate in the adult industry as a condition of their shared custody but given what we know about her ex husband I can believe he would do such a thing. She fought him for custody of her son across state lines- it was a mess. 

 

Back to Jenelle- I see her prostituting herself for drugs once the TM money is gone. She’s too “proud” to participate in legal porn, but now she’s got her “land” and her fairytale with UBT. Let that all implode and see what happens. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by Scarlett45

[Booted]

I think that Jenelle will be just fine since I don't really see the show ending any time soon. She also has a lot of things she sells on Twitter and Instagram which  she gets paid for too. Twitter and Instagram pays these people by the post so much per week or that was the deal a few years ago. At that time it was quite a bit of money too and then she gets paid from the products she puts up - her book and now make up. What I am saying is she seems to be hustling to make a buck while she can and at least shes got game in the sense. Shes not just sitting on the couch high dude or she would be missing these chances to market herself .

[Scarlett45]

4 minutes ago, Booted said:

I think that Jenelle will be just fine since I don't really see the show ending any time soon. She also has a lot of things she sells on Twitter and Instagram which  she gets paid for too. Twitter and Instagram pays these people by the post so much per week or that was the deal a few years ago. At that time it was quite a bit of money too and then she gets paid from the products she puts up - her book and now make up. What I am saying is she seems to be hustling to make a buck while she can and at least shes got game in the sense. Shes not just sitting on the couch high dude or she would be missing these chances to market herself .

How long will that money last though once TM2 isn’t popular any more? Plus drugs are EXPENSIVE! I can see Jenelle relapsing sooner rather than later. 

[Booted]

I certainly hope that Jenelle doesn't relapse and I don't see it happening anytime soon. On top of filming for the show for the show she has three children that she cares for on a daily basis and I think that has to keep her busy instead of just sitting around doing nothing but getting high. 

[HeySandyStrange]

I don't think any of these women, except for Chelsea, will be prepared financially if/when (I hope very soon) this show ends. Whether they take drugs or not, we've seen them go through houses, cars, plastic surgery, useless college degrees/diplomas and luxury vacation after luxury vacation. Yes, Jenelle and the others promote crap on their SMs for pay, but that will dry up in a quick minute when the show is gone. I'll bet Leah, Jenelle and Kail have no real savings or financial plan set for the future. None of them are at all prepared for the real world.

[Enya Face]

5 hours ago, Tatum said:

if you have a moral problem with porn (and you're willing to apply that problem to ALL those involved in the porn industry, including your husband, boyfriend, father, brother, son, etc that WATCHES it), fine, but someone who has abandoned her child, assaulted someone, gotten arrested 14 times, has stolen from her own mother, has emotionally abused her child, has absolutely NO business discussing her morals getting in the way of doing something.

Preach!

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

How long will that money last though once TM2 isn’t popular any more? Plus drugs are EXPENSIVE! I can see Jenelle relapsing sooner rather than later. 

Exactly. 

Having a baby born with THC in it system is not acceptable. Who knows what else she is ingesting. We know she isn't caring for those children. UBT is probably doing more of the hands on stuff since Jenelle can't do a damn thing without fucking whining and bitching. She couldn't even take care of a toddler while UBT was trying to move them out of their previous home. The girl does nothing all day because we know she is hitting that bong. 

[Christina]

"Relapse" requires a period of sobriety, which Jenelle has never had, and she admits it. 

[GreatKazu]

40 minutes ago, Christina said:

"Relapse" requires a period of sobriety, which Jenelle has never had, and she admits it. 

Jenelle admits to using marijuana, but in her mind, and according to what she put in her book, she is sober and has been for a long time now because she no longer uses heroin. That is her selling point. Weed is a non-issue. She was upset about CPS visiting her home, but never responded to the fact her child had THC in her system. She seems to overlook that fact when arguing about how she has changed her life. 

There is a chance she will fall back on harder drugs, if she hasn't already. I surely don't believe she is clean at all. I think she has been abusing some kind of drugs. 

Jenelle's life is one big relapse. 

[Christina]

I actually believe Jenelle is no longer using heroin and hasn't been for awhile. Dave is suspected of using cocaine, and Jenelle has clearly looked to be under the influence of opiates more than once, and I've barely watched much of this season. She will likely never be clean of marijuana, well until she lands in prison, I guess. She can't even not smoke around the kids, at least until Egglsey is old enough to be locked outside with the others. 

[TheRealT]

5 minutes ago, Christina said:

I actually believe Jenelle is no longer using heroin and hasn't been for awhile. Dave is suspected of using cocaine, and Jenelle has clearly looked to be under the influence of opiates more than once, and I've barely watched much of this season. She will likely never be clean of marijuana, well until she lands in prison, I guess. She can't even not smoke around the kids, at least until Egglsey is old enough to be locked outside with the others. 

I believe that Jenelle isn't using heroin, but I definitely wouldn't call her "clean" or "sober" by any stretch of the imagination. I have no problem with marijuana in general and I believe it is/can be helpful for some people's mental/emotional problems. That may be the case with Jenelle (I can believe that she's even more of a mess without being medicated with cannabis), but she isn't what I'd call functional as a parent/person and I believe that she uses other drugs besides marijuana (she admits to drinking alcohol). I also believe that UBT uses other drugs (cocaine seems plausible, possibly in addition to other things). That makes it more likely (to my thinking) that Jenelle is or will be doing more than weed as well. With her history of drug use and mental illness, that's probably not advisable. They don't seem generally happy or stable, as individuals or as a couple, so I look at the drug use through that lens too. My point is, they don't seem like reasonably stable/healthy people who are stoners/maybe drink a little too much/party hard occasionally. They seem like they're significantly fucked up even when they're sober (which doesn't seem often). 

[Tatum]

9 hours ago, Booted said:

I think that Jenelle will be just fine since I don't really see the show ending any time soon. She also has a lot of things she sells on Twitter and Instagram which  she gets paid for too. Twitter and Instagram pays these people by the post so much per week or that was the deal a few years ago. At that time it was quite a bit of money too and then she gets paid from the products she puts up - her book and now make up. What I am saying is she seems to be hustling to make a buck while she can and at least shes got game in the sense. Shes not just sitting on the couch high dude or she would be missing these chances to market herself .

You're right, she does make money from it (I think The Ashley calculated between $30K and $90K a year and all she has to do is post something once), and good for her for making a somewhere around the median household income just for clicking a button, but those opportunities will dry up as soon as the show is over. She has no marketable skills other than "reality star", no job experience, and has made an ass of herself on TV for 8 years, making her unemployable for the most part.

 

Now, if she was putting away money and had long term financial planning, she wouldn't need a huge income in the future...assuming her house and car are paid for, as she's publicly stated she has shit credit and has to pay cash. But with the ratings declining the way they are, I give this show a few more years to finally peter out completely. If I am right, Jenelle won't even be 30 yet. Even at $500K a year (show fee, plus instagram earnings, plus whatever side projects these girls have going on), you'd have to plan pretty carefully to cover the next 50 years, and honestly, Jenelle is not exceptionally bright, not good at being told what to do, and has a mental illness (or several). Assuming the show ends in the next few years, if Jenelle manages to hang on to her money for even 2 years after that I'll be amazed.

 

Also, I didn't know she had a book out, but based on the sales posted for the other girls' books and what is known about compensation in the publishing world, these girls have all likely made next to nothing on the books.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Tatum

[TheRealT]

On 11/16/2017 at 4:30 AM, SheTalksShit said:

I thought the same thing at first but, thanks to something @MKAY posted a while back from Kail's and Chris's Twitter, the timeline sorta makes sense in my head. In January, right after NYE, Kail tweeted a series of shit on Twitter indicating she and Chris were done and tweets from Chris's Twitter were about how Kail went nuts on him and cut off his dreads, etc. At the reunion, she mentioned that she found out about his cheating by going through his phone. I'm thinking those tweets were right after all that happened - Kail went through his phone, found out he had another girl, went crazy and cut off his dreads, etc. 

Since Kail had the baby in early August, she likely became pregnant in early-mid November or maybe late October. Sooo by the time NYE rolls around, Kail surely knew she was pregnant.

I'm thinking that from whenever Javi deployed up until January of this year, Kail was under the impression that she and Chris were a couple and that he was her boyfriend. Whether that's because he made it seem that way or because Kail just assumed, who knows, but for whatever reason, Kail decided she wanted a baby with him and 2 months later, she found out he was cheating. 

What I'm thinking happened is that Kail (by her own admission) kept telling him how she wants another baby and she wants one with him. I think Chris probably did what a lotta guys do when theyre not ready for one/don't want one, they laugh it off just to avoid conflict/an awkward serious conversation, and only take her half-seriously. Then, one in day in October or November, Kail announces to him that she IS, indeed, pregnant and he was like WTF? and felt trapped, tricked, not ready, not wanting this, etc. and so his mind and eyes started to wander elsewhere and after a while, Kail sensed he was distant and went through his phone. 

I think that, by the time TM2 started filming this season, that had already happened and Kail already knew she was pregnant. 

From there, she and Chris were on-off for a bit, which is why sometimes she'd say they were "trying to work things out" but clearly knew about his other girls, etc. and had just accepted that it is what it is. 

Re: bolded, I thought Kail's story was that she thought/had been told that she couldn't get pregnant and that's what she told Chris. Didn't he tweet something about the baby being a miracle child? So I thought the context of the conception was that they were "dating casually" (I believe Kail said something like that when she first announced the pregnancy) and she told him that she was infertile, but wanted/was open to having another child, so she wasn't using birth control. Then the "miracle" conception happened and (to my understanding) Kail wasn't pressing him to be "in a relationship" with her (at least publicly) and her (public) story was that she had gotten pregnant by a friend whom she had dated casually.

In the period that was filmed for the show (post-January fight/dred cutting), Kail was not claiming that they were "together;" she was saying they were "friends"/"seeing where things went"/"trying to work things out." She mentioned him seeing other women and tried to laugh it off and act like she just wanted him to be there for the baby, but she was cool with whatever beyond that. Then, on the reunion, she said he "cheated on her throughout her pregnancy" and she "wouldn't wish what she went through on her worst enemy." What did she go through? On the show, she acted like she was worried that he wouldn't be there for her/the baby, but he more or less came through most of the time. On the show, she never, ever referred to him as her boyfriend or indicated that she thought he was "cheating" by being with other women. So I just don't get where that came from. Even when she was crying about him being with other women, she said she was afraid that if she texted him that she was in labor he wouldn't respond/show up if he was with someone else, not that she was devastated that he was cheating on her. Prior to that, she joked/laughed about how he didn't respond to her communications if he was with "one of his other hos" (or however she flippantly put it).

I just don't get what her story is. I guess maybe she's trying to sell some kind of, "I didn't talk about it publicly/on the show, but we were in a 'real' relationship and he did all these horrible things to me (including 'cheating' and 'abuse')"? To me, that doesn't jibe with her contemporaneous reports of what was going on. I can imagine not talking about the details of my relationship publicly if I were on a reality show (<<shudder>>), but I can't imagine constructing a false narrative in which my boyfriend/baby daddy was fucking other women and I knew and thought it was funny (while also crying about it to my friends). And (I like to believe) I'm not as narcissistic and thin-skinned as Kail. I just don't see how that "story" benefits her, especially if she subsequently says, "Psych! I wasn't cool with him fucking other chicks; I just said that to cover up how devastated I was!" WTF?

[Scarlett45]

@TheRealT IMO Kailyn thought by playing the “cool no pressure chick” Chris would leave his long term girlfriend for good and come crawling back into her bed and be personal punching bag. When Chris took their arrangement seriously “we were just chilling, now you’re pregnant but there is nothing deeper between us”, the anger started bubbling and steam started coming out of Kailyn’s ears. How dare Chris not want her?!!! Now that Lux is here and it’s obvious to everyone she was a disgraced side piece who was dumb enough to get pregnant, she’s spinning it as if SHE was the wronged party and Chris cheated (to save face). 

Sadly I saw my bff do something similar when she was pregnant (although not as nasty as Kailyn and she isn’t an abuser). Initially she was very calm and said she understood the dad might not be there and she might have to raise the baby alone, but in the second trimester when the Dad told her in no uncertain terms they WOULD NOT be together, and they had had fun but that was over now she FLIPPED. All of a sudden it was “he told me we were going to be together?!!! How could he do this to me?!!! Etc etc” My Mom told me its very easy to be rational when you just have a positive pregnancy test, but when the fetus starts to move, and you start to show, and you’re all alone.....add untreated mental instability on top of it as well as low self esteem and you have a powder keg. (My bff is doing much better now and does actually parent her child- no one worried about her ability to do that, but the obsession she had with the dude wasn’t healthy). 

[TheRealT]

2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

@TheRealT IMO Kailyn thought by playing the “cool no pressure chick” Chris would leave his long term girlfriend for good and come crawling back into her bed and be personal punching bag.

That's what I think too. I'm kind of surprised, though, that Kail was so naive. Obviously, she's not as smart or worldly as she thinks she is, but it's so bush league (in the Manipulative Bitch game) A) to even want to trap some college boy who likes to fuck around and B) to think that getting pregnant (Kail's old standby) would do the trick. If she really wanted to turn his head, she should have taken him on all the trips with her, taken him to LA for the MTV taping, bought him a car/whatever, etc., etc. Any thirsty girl in Dover can get pregnant.

[Scarlett45]

2 minutes ago, TheRealT said:

That's what I think too. I'm kind of surprised, though, that Kail was so naive. Obviously, she's not as smart or worldly as she thinks she is, but it's so bush league (in the Manipulative Bitch game) A) to even want to trap some college boy who likes to fuck around and B) to think that getting pregnant (Kail's old standby) would do the trick. If she really wanted to turn his head, she should have taken him on all the trips with her, taken him to LA for the MTV taping, bought him a car/whatever, etc., etc. Any thirsty girl in Dover can get pregnant.

Yes I know. I will never understand why women think their vagina and their uterus is just so EXTRA SPECIAL. There’s very much a narrative that if a woman gives a man sex he’s supposed to fulfill her emotional needs. Of course there are asshole guys out there that do everything to make a girl think they are the “Real Deal” (including publicly proclaiming they are the one and only etc), BUT in my short 32 years on this planet I’ve found that at least 51% of the time, guys are upfront with women- either directly with words or actions, about what their intentions are and women think the men can be “convinced” through the power of magical vagina....ummm no. Kailyn is too old to play that shit. 

[lovesnark]

On 11/22/2017 at 5:08 AM, Tatum said:

You're right, she does make money from it (I think The Ashley calculated between $30K and $90K a year and all she has to do is post something once), and good for her for making a somewhere around the median household income just for clicking a button, but those opportunities will dry up as soon as the show is over. She has no marketable skills other than "reality star", no job experience, and has made an ass of herself on TV for 8 years, making her unemployable for the most part.

 

Now, if she was putting away money and had long term financial planning, she wouldn't need a huge income in the future...assuming her house and car are paid for, as she's publicly stated she has shit credit and has to pay cash. But with the ratings declining the way they are, I give this show a few more years to finally peter out completely. If I am right, Jenelle won't even be 30 yet. Even at $500K a year (show fee, plus instagram earnings, plus whatever side projects these girls have going on), you'd have to plan pretty carefully to cover the next 50 years, and honestly, Jenelle is not exceptionally bright, not good at being told what to do, and has a mental illness (or several). Assuming the show ends in the next few years, if Jenelle manages to hang on to her money for even 2 years after that I'll be amazed.

 

Also, I didn't know she had a book out, but based on the sales posted for the other girls' books and what is known about compensation in the publishing world, these girls have all likely made next to nothing on the books.

She is pretty much unemployable. She's shown us for 8 years that she's incapable of getting along with anyone who isn't kissing her ass. She worked for a couple weeks at a restaurant and was flabbergasted when she got fired for not showing up. As usual, it wasn't her fault, she was stressed dude! and needed to hang with her friends and smoke weed and it was her boss's fault that she got fired. Her attitude has only gotten worse over the years.

Since they couldn't afford to hire someone to lay sod at the swamp, I don't think they have a penny put away. I think they spent every cent they had on the still unfenced pool and were broke until the next MTV installment came in. She was bitching a month or so ago about having to spend money on a tow truck and tried to publicly shame Dodge into a freebie. That post was removed from Instagram pretty quickly and I hope Dodge complained to them about it.  I believe THE LAND is paid for but the house was financed. I looked around and that property was in the $25k range. The house was around $170k. Millions have passed through her hands and she has about $200k in assets and the majority of that isn't owned outright. If MTV went away tomorrow, so would the house. Maybe UBT could get work as a welder/pipfitter again?

Her book was not a hit, even with her most devoted leghumpers. Even her fangirls said in their reviews that her version of events wasn't even close to reality.

[TheRealT]

12 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yes I know. I will never understand why women think their vagina and their uterus is just so EXTRA SPECIAL. There’s very much a narrative that if a woman gives a man sex he’s supposed to fulfill her emotional needs. Of course there are asshole guys out there that do everything to make a girl think they are the “Real Deal” (including publicly proclaiming they are the one and only etc), BUT in my short 32 years on this planet I’ve found that at least 51% of the time, guys are upfront with women- either directly with words or actions, about what their intentions are and women think the men can be “convinced” through the power of magical vagina....ummm no. Kailyn is too old to play that shit. 

I think that, for Kail, up until Chris she was able to trap guys she decided she wanted with her "special vagina/uterus." It's sad/kind of cutely quaint that she didn't/doesn't get that that "small town game" of being sexually available to/getting knocked up by the boy you like doesn't always work. Kail's partners prior to this were pretty young/naive and I think she was able to "dazzle" them with her whiteness; her sexual openness/willingness; her MTVness; etc.

It's interesting to me that when she came across Chris, a regular college guy (as I understand it) who (it seems to me) she saw as "cool" and "interesting," but who didn't have a lot going for him objectively, she decided that she wanted to fight to be his "main chick" even though she knew he was a "player" and he never indicated that he was particularly into her. Why? Assuming that she was very attracted to him physically (which one can't necessarily control), I still don't get it. A truly "worldly, sophisticated" woman would look at someone like that as a fun fuck for a while (with double/triple birth control), not someone she was so determined to "hook" that she would get pregnant by him (at a time when one would think that having a baby was the last thing she'd be looking for).

It's so, provincial, I guess, to be like, "Oh, I really like this boy! I want him to like me too! I know, I'll get pregnant!" I can understand Kail thinking like that when she was a troubled teen in suburban PA and I can understand having a trap baby to get Javi and his benefits. Both Jo and Javi were a step up for her at the time when she had their babies. I don't see how she thought Chris would be a step up. I've known a lot of young women; even younger than Kail and without the life experience of having two kids, a years-long career in show biz, etc.; who wouldn't be dumb enough to purposely get pregnant by a guy like Chris.

[Scarlett45]

@TheRealT so much word to your post, BUT I think it goes a little deeper with Kailyn.

With Jo and Javi they were a step up both emotionally and practically (although not perfect men they are loving and nurturing to their sons and family members). When Kailyn got with them, she was emotionally hungry as well as desperate to improve her life situation. I think the MTV money and fame really went to her head, and while it helped her not “need” Chris in the way she needed Jo and Javi, she is still an emotionally hungry young woman yearning for stability, family, emotional intimacy etc- rather than do some real work in herself and try to get her needs met in a healthy way, she latches herself onto Chris, and once AGAIN she gets to be a poor helpless victim who was used and mistreated by someone. I think Kailyn wants very much to have love (not just romantic love but familial and platonic love), but because she’s so insecure, she self sabotages, because deep down she doesn’t think she’s worth it.

The most insecure people are always screaming from the rooftops about how AWESOME and STRONG they are. A woman who really loved and valued herself could say “I was REALLY dumb in xyz situation, but life goes on. “

Edited November 25, 2017 by Scarlett45
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[TheRealT]

59 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

@TheRealT so much word to your post, BUT I think it goes a little deeper with Kailyn.

With Jo and Javi they were a step up both emotionally and practically (although not perfect men they are loving and nurturing to their sons and family members). When Kailyn got with them, she was emotionally hungry as well as desperate to improve her life situation. I think the MTV money and fame really went to her head, and while it helped her not “need” Chris in the way she needed Jo and Javi, she is still an emotionally hungry young woman yearning for stability, family, emotional intimacy etc- rather than do so real work in herself and try to get her needs met in a healthy way, she latches herself onto Chris, and once AGAIN she gets to be a poor helpless victim who was used and mistreated by someone. I think Kailyn wants very much to have love (not just romantic love but familial and platonic love), but because she’s so insecure, she self sabotages, because deep down she doesn’t think she’s worth it.

The most insecure people are always screaming from the rooftops about how AWESOME and STRONG they are. A woman who really loved and valued herself could say “I was REALLY dumb in xyz situation, but life goes on. “

ITA, but I still don't get what Kail thought Chris was offering, besides being "cool" or "sexy" or whatever. I could understand it if Chris was a "cool, sexy" guy who was super into her (and thus feeding her ego/emotional needs); I could understand if he was a "successful" guy- maybe a little older, with a solid career (like a lawyer or something, "better" than Javi's career as an enlisted man); I could understand if he was somehow "glamorous" (to Kail), like from another country or a clearly higher socioeconomic status; or SOMETHING. I know that, at the end of the day, Kail is very basic, but she has been on TV for several years; she's traveled; she knows/works with people who are pretty successful in the entertainment industry; etc. I guess I'm just very unimpressed with what a dumb rube she's proven herself to be (basically) with the whole situation with Chris. Even Leah (who is certainly a dumb rube) seems to have figured out that having a baby by every guy you like isn't the way to go and she's not dreaming of a big time career in Hollywood and probably doesn't fancy herself cooler and smarter than everyone else in her circle.

[lilmarysunshine]

On 11/21/2017 at 10:25 PM, Booted said:

On top of filming for the show for the show she has three children that she cares for on a daily basis and I think that has to keep her busy instead of just sitting around doing nothing but getting high. 

David seems to do most of the child-rearing and work around the house.

[Scarlett45]

16 hours ago, TheRealT said:

ITA, but I still don't get what Kail thought Chris was offering, besides being "cool" or "sexy" or whatever.

Playing armchair psychologist right now....

In Kailyn’s version of the universe, Chris was offering “Love” and someone for her to feel superior to- Kailyn would never want to date or being a relationship with a guy who had his professional life together as well as being emotionally healthy. She wouldn’t be able to STAND that he didn’t “need her”. Kailyn has to feel like she’s in charge or she’s benefiting (more than the other person) or the relationship isn’t worth her time. She became pregnant with Issac probably because she liked Jo in a “teenage relationship way” and she saw that his family would care for her. She didn’t seem to get that all the Rivera support was conditional on a variety of factors. When the Riveras stopped catering to her she was done with them. With Javi, he WAS going to enlist because she said so, and the second TM2 got big and she didn’t need the security of an earning spouse she was emotionally done with the marriage.

 

 With Chris she THOUGHT she was dazzling him with her magical vagina, MTV money and worldly ways which would make him stay forever, fawn over her, tell her all the shit she wanted to hear; but at the end of the day he didn’t care. I don’t think Kailyn wants a relationship she wants an entourage. 

[GreatKazu]

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Kailyn has to feel like she’s in charge or she’s benefiting (more than the other person) or the relationship isn’t worth her time. She became pregnant with Issac probably because she liked Jo in a “teenage relationship way” and she saw that his family would care for her. She didn’t seem to get that all the Rivera support was conditional on a variety of factors. When the Riveras stopped catering to her she was done with them. With Javi, he WAS going to enlist because she said so, and the second TM2 got big and she didn’t need the security of an earning spouse she was emotionally done with the marriage.

Ditto.

When Kail has wanted to return to the relationships, it was when she felt alone and needed someone there. When Jo and Kail were done as a couple, she cried to him two years later and said they both had done things to each other (she would never admit her faults without pointing out someone else's faults) while hinting she wanted him back. She said she couldn't get over him and how awful it was Isaac would not have his family together. Typical Hulk using manipulative tactics. Jo told her straight out he was over her and it was a good thing they weren't a couple because Isaac didn't need to be exposed to all that arguing. That was the point Kail made it her mission to cease trying to get him back and was going to make him pay. Hulk then tried to sweet talk Javi into returning to the relationship per his scene on the Unseen Moments. Hulk really tried to get Javi to feel sorry for her and did so knowing he was still on the fence with her. How could he get over her when she was pulling him back and forth from the day he was deployed? That girl was making sure to keep Javi there on the sidelines in the event Chris dumped her ass. 

Did anyone catch the Marriage Boot Camp scene where Kail had to show with a puppet her best sex ever moment? She went on to describe a sex moment with Chris, as Javi sat there and was looking so uncomfortable. She described being in the kitchen and how he went up behind her, touched her in a certain way, and she then said she bent over. lol  No doubt that is what Kanal was doing all over Dover - bending over. I am guessing she bent over and just dropped her stretch pants or pulled down her ripped black pants? Thank the lord she didn't go on and describe in detail the way Briana has with her tweets. Kanal is so crass and trashy. 

Edited November 26, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Wheels08]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Ditto.

When Kail has wanted to return to the relationships, it was when she felt alone and needed someone there. When Jo and Kail were done as a couple, she cried to him two years later and said they both had done things to each other (she would never admit her faults without pointing out someone else's faults) while hinting she wanted him back. She said she couldn't get over him and how awful it was Isaac would not have his family together. Typical Hulk using manipulative tactics. Jo told her straight out he was over her and it was a good thing they weren't a couple because Isaac didn't need to be exposed to all that arguing. That was the point Kail made it her mission to cease trying to get him back and was going to make him pay. Hulk then tried to sweet talk Javi into returning to the relationship per his scene on the Unseen Moments. Hulk really tried to get Javi to feel sorry for her and did so knowing he was still on the fence with her. How could he get over her when she was pulling him back and forth from the day he was deployed? That girl was making sure to keep Javi there on the sidelines in the event Chris dumped her ass. 

Did anyone catch the Marriage Boot Camp scene where Kail had to show with a puppet her best sex ever moment? She went on to describe a sex moment with Chris, as Javi sat there and was looking so uncomfortable. She described being in the kitchen and how he went up behind her, touched her in a certain way, and she then said she bent over. lol  No doubt that is what Kanal was doing all over Dover - bending over. I am guessing she bent over and just dropped her stretch pants or pulled down her ripped black pants? Thank the lord she didn't go on and describe in detail the way Briana has with her tweets. Kanal is so crass and trashy. 

I've been watching Marriage Boot Camp and I found her sex story a little uncomfortable especially seeing Javi's reaction to it.

[CofCinci]

Kail was attracted to his racial/cultural/ethnic identification. By dating and having a child with a Person of Color (POC)/African-American/Black (I’m not sure how Chris self-identifies, so I’ll include the top 3 most common sociological terms), Kail believes she would gain credibility within Chris’ culture. 

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Kail was attracted to his racial/cultural/ethnic identification. By dating and having a child with a Person of Color (POC)/African-American/Black (I’m not sure how Chris self-identifies, so I’ll include the top 3 most common sociological terms), Kail believes she would gain credibility within Chris’ culture. 

I don’t think she believed she would gain credibility per se; I think that Kailyn does gave a genuine sexual attraction to men of color, BUT I also think she attracted to men of color because no matter what happens she will always be white. Always.

If Kailyn was someone who had genuine respect for other cultures she wouldn’t be using variations of the N word, calling black women’s hair “nappy”, claiming Issac is white etc. Kailyn is MASSIVELY insecure, and in her head her whiteness is something she can lord over the men in her life. They had the privledge of having her. Chris probably didn’t give two hoots and that also pisses her off. 

 

Theres also the very real fact that fact that among certain circles Kailyn is not acceptable partner for a white man because she has children of color. One of the reasons I think Jeremy would never take Leah back is because she had sex with TR Dues (although they don’t have kids) and he knows about it. 

[Mkay]

13 hours ago, Wheels08 said:

I've been watching Marriage Boot Camp and I found her sex story a little uncomfortable especially seeing Javi's reaction to it.

I had to fast forward through that part because my daughter walked in the room exactly when it was Javi and Kail’s turn.  I never went back and watched it. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I don't watch Marriage Bootcamp. Did Kail specifically say it was Chris? 

Jesus God Leah, she has no respect for Javi at all. You know she purposely talked about the guy she was cheating on Javi with in Javi's own damn kitchen. You know she had to throw that in. Even if it wasn't the best sex she'd ever had (eww), she did that just to spite Javi. Way to have that recorded forever for your sons to see you do to the man they love (Isaac and Lincoln, anyway) and in the house they lived in with him (and that he co-owns with you).

I'm almost shocked Kail didn't manage to sink her claws back into Javi when she tried to get back with him. Good on Javi for seeing that sh*t for what it was and not falling victim to it again.

Edited November 26, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[lilmarysunshine]

21 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Ditto.

When Kail has wanted to return to the relationships, it was when she felt alone and needed someone there. When Jo and Kail were done as a couple, she cried to him two years later and said they both had done things to each other (she would never admit her faults without pointing out someone else's faults) while hinting she wanted him back. She said she couldn't get over him and how awful it was Isaac would not have his family together. Typical Hulk using manipulative tactics. Jo told her straight out he was over her and it was a good thing they weren't a couple because Isaac didn't need to be exposed to all that arguing. That was the point Kail made it her mission to cease trying to get him back and was going to make him pay. Hulk then tried to sweet talk Javi into returning to the relationship per his scene on the Unseen Moments. Hulk really tried to get Javi to feel sorry for her and did so knowing he was still on the fence with her. How could he get over her when she was pulling him back and forth from the day he was deployed? That girl was making sure to keep Javi there on the sidelines in the event Chris dumped her ass. 

Did anyone catch the Marriage Boot Camp scene where Kail had to show with a puppet her best sex ever moment? She went on to describe a sex moment with Chris, as Javi sat there and was looking so uncomfortable. She described being in the kitchen and how he went up behind her, touched her in a certain way, and she then said she bent over. lol  No doubt that is what Kanal was doing all over Dover - bending over. I am guessing she bent over and just dropped her stretch pants or pulled down her ripped black pants? Thank the lord she didn't go on and describe in detail the way Briana has with her tweets. Kanal is so crass and trashy. 

WTF?  This was when she was at MBC ostensibly to get back with Javi?  And anyone who is supposedly an "expert" thought recounting the best sex moment with a person who is not the person with her is a good idea? 

Half of what comes out of her mouth is nothing but lies. She was an easy lay for Chris. That's it. And she has to pretend it was something ..... anything ..... more.

eta:  She is fucking sadistic. When Javi brought Lincoln to her home to see the new baby, you could see on his face that it hurt him.  Now....I know he's far from perfect. But to continually go out of your way to hurt him time after time is just mean.  I can see why his anger is an issue.  Because he couldn't get to her the way she got to him because she's a narcissist who has feelings for herself before anyone else - including her kids. She's cold and cruel.

Edited November 27, 2017 by lilmarysunshine

[GreatKazu]

6 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

WTF?  This was when she was at MBC ostensibly to get back with Javi?  And anyone who is supposedly an "expert" thought recounting the best sex moment with a person who is not the person with her is a good idea? 

Half of what comes out of her mouth is nothing but lies. She was an easy lay for Chris. That's it. And she has to pretend it was something ..... anything ..... more.

eta:  She is fucking sadistic. When Javi brought Lincoln to her home to see the new baby, you could see on his face that it hurt him.  Now....I know he's far from perfect. But to continually go out of your way to hurt him time after time is just mean.  I can see why his anger is an issue.  Because he couldn't get to her the way she got to him because she's a narcissist who has feelings for herself before anyone else - including her kids. She's cold and cruel.

Kanal made it clear from the start she wasn't there at MBC to fix her relationship. She was done. She only did it for the money. Not that she would admit that was the reason. There was no other reason to be there other than money if fixing the relationship was not on her agenda. 

I think the "counselors" were prodding the couples to choose the best sex moment thinking they would either choose their partner or someone else. They have to bring in the drama. Kanal made it a point to say more than once she didn't like that project because it hurt Javi and she is not about hurting him. Yeah right, bitch. 

Edited November 27, 2017 by GreatKazu

[lilmarysunshine]

On 11/27/2017 at 0:05 AM, GreatKazu said:

I think the "counselors" were prodding the couples to choose the best sex moment thinking they would either choose their partner or someone else. They have to bring in the drama. Kanal made it a point to say more than once she didn't like that project because it hurt Javi and she is not about hurting him. Yeah right, bitch. 

That's why decent people either wouldn't do it or lie about something with Javi.