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Culture Check: How can the tropes and stereotypes we apply to TV personalities impact our fellow posters, and how do we remain mindful of these effects while discussing them? Please review for more on stereotypes and tropes.

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Culture Check: How can we express our opinions and consider the effect our assumptions may have on the people around us? What impact might speculation have on others, especially when we speculate about children or complex issues like neurodiversity?

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35 minutes ago, ChicksDigScars said:

This makes me sad. I fell asleep before this part. WHY in the fuckity fuck, should Jer or Matt be disappointed? And why should Zach be "relieved?" Zach and Tori have the "first" grandson, but Jer and Auj have a first, too. The first granddaughter. Sounds like a draw to me. Are girls inferior? Is that what you're all implying, Roloff Family? Take a look at Molly. She ran circles around her brothers academically. 

YES. The sexism/gender stereotyping makes me nauseous. Those of us who struggle with fertility would be happy with ANY healthy baby. 

I can't stand Jer and Auj, but I hope their daughter grows up to be President of the United States just to show up her Grandpa Matt. 

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38 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Matt's a little bitch boy bitching about the bed he was fucking delighted to make for himself.

This one statement reminded me how Amy gave Matt her very nice convertible bed, when he was recovering from surgery.  I would bet that he never gave it back.

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And why should Zach be "relieved?"

I can kind of understand Zach being happy that Jer is having a girl.  The cousins are going to be very close in age.  Zach grew up being left in the dust by his typical twin and has even said that he could never keep up as a kid.  With the cousin being a girl, there will be less comparison and they won't necessarily be expected to participate in the same activities.  (Although she could be the biggest tom boy ever, which would drive Auj crazy!).

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1 hour ago, ZoloftBlob said:

"Since I married you, you've said you're dying and I'm like, God, when is time up?" 

Best line in the history of LPBW. 

It makes me happy to see that Amy truly seems to be getting over Matt. As the marriage was ending, I got the impression that she really wasn't going to be able to let go ... that she was going to put her life on hold and hope that Matt eventually would want her back. Strangely enough, I think he probably will, but emotionally, she'll be long gone by then.

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51 minutes ago, Honey said:

The best part of this episode, was Amy asking Matt when he's going to die already.  I loved it.  When Matt was suggesting that Amy should help to pay for his house because he doesn't have long to live.  I thought that he meant that the house would end up as farm property, so she eventually would benefit from it.

I'm in total agreement with this ^^^. He's been playing the 'death card' way too long and good for Amy calling him out on it. 

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On 5/30/2017 at 7:33 AM, Honey said:

Thanks for dying, while serving.  Due to your sacrifice, I was able to have a super cool pool party.  Unfortunately, there were posts like this all over Facebook yesterday.

Nothing against Amy.  At least she was cognizant of the real reason for Memorial Day.  It just kills me to hear store commercials announcing their "Memorial Day" sales, etc., and fireworks going off on Memorial Day.  It's not 4th of July!

Now, back to Amy's Instagram post.  Some of the comments were a bit heartless, but, hey, as one person said, once you make your life a public spectacle via your own reality show you have to expect all sorts of opinions. - As an aside, I'm not convinced just yet that Chris is "using" Amy.  Time will tell, I guess.

I have always thought the show served a real purpose, and I still think so.  I don't begrudge the family their earnings from LPBW.  In a self-centered, digitalized society where the focus is on "look at me!" (Facebook, etc.), where people enjoy putting themselves on display, often presenting exaggerated and sometimes fabricated personas and accomplishments, I think LPBW has shown another aspect of life.  It has presented a rather non-typical family (two LP parents, fraternal twins with one of average height and the other a LP), and two other average-sized children, and how it is possible to rise above one's shortcomings (pardon the pun).  If anything, watching Amy, Matt and, particularly, Zach through the years has served as a profound inspiration to me.   I hope the show continues.  

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I thought it was so sweet when the grandparents said that they hoped Jer's baby was a girl, as they wanted another Molly. Can't blame them, Molly is a gem.

How many times is Jer (this is a rhetorical question) going to show his stupidity by delcaring his surprise that Zach and Tori could have a LP? One would think that a person who has LP as parents and an LP twin would have a sniff of a clue as to the type of dwarfism each has, and the odds of having an LP baby. He certainly knew where he and Odd are concerned so one would think he would care to know that his twin has a 50 percent chance of having a dwarf. Just because it can't be said enough, what a doofus. 

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Literata, , I agree. Of the two, I think Amy is the more religious and having her husband leave her is one of those "failure as a woman" things that women blame themselves for even when there's egregious circumstances. I think Amy is beginning to realize she doesn't have to keep Matt sweet in order to keep the kids or in order to keep the family together and is more willing to spell out WHY she isn't on board with his plans.

Look at this storyline of Matt's potential new house. How has Matt presented this to the audience? Poor poor Matt is so unhappy! (insert puss face) Poor poor Matt is so sickly and its sooooo difficult for Matt to *be uncomfortable* oh poor precious Matt is in daily agony because he was *forced* out of his special home (insert another puss face and realize that there's no acknowledgement that Matt left his wife of 25 years by choice and never wanted counseling and demanded the divorce be done lickety split) And now, MEAN AMY is REFUSING to allow him to *be comfortable* so poor poor Matt is on his BED OF PAIN, DYING in a despicable trailer rather than in comfort.

Here's the real story. They're divorced and Amy got the house and Matt could have fought that at the time and didn't. They are *divorced* so Amy no longer has any responsibly to see to Matt's comfort and Matt *wanted that*. Matt has a perfectly usable home. He's not living on the streets, he actually has room to set up a nursery for his grandson, he is a single man living in what appears to be a spacious two bedroom home that is conviently located next to his work. He just doesn't like it, because he feels its not *good enough* for him - he's even said that in episodes, that he feels he should have a nicer house that displays his status more.

So he wants *his ex wife* to invest in a new house for him as a part of the *farm business*. There is no need for the farm to have another house - he just wants a nicer house, and he doesn't want to have to pay for it with his own money. So, prince that he is, he tried to trick his ex wife into paying for his new palace as a farm expense and now throws down a guilt fest for the public because she finally wised up and said no. She said no, so now Matt is "dying" again. Bitch Matt? We're all dying. You've been a bitch insisting on a pity party because of your imminent death for over ten fucking years, so no, I'm not crying that you got called publically on it, and ten years from now when you're still alive and still groaning how you're a little bitch baby *dying*, I hope Amy shows you a video of this scene and asks you again when you plan on croaking.

Using one's medical condition to get one's way is one example of the emotional abuse Amy has dealt with from Matt, FYI.

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21 minutes ago, StayingAfterSunday said:

Nothing against Amy.  At least she was cognizant of the real reason for Memorial Day.  It just kills me to hear store commercials announcing their "Memorial Day" sales, etc., and fireworks going off on Memorial Day.  It's not 4th of July!  

Like the dumb asses in my neighborhood, letting off fireworks until after 1:00 AM on Monday. If my dogs could flip them a middle paw pad, they'd have done so. 

Topic: Speaking of dogs, that Sully stuff absolutely gutted me.  I lost a Chocolate Lab at only age six, unexpectedly, a couple years ago, and it just about killed me. I've read that cancer is common in Bernie's. Such a beautiful dog. RIP, Inspector Sullivan. 

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4 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I really like Zach now, but, I have to wonder how in the world you ignore headaches and nausea when you have a shunt and have had trouble with the shunt.  I would think that the surgeon who did the procedure would have a list to things to seek medical attention if you experience it.  To ignore his symptoms long term boggles the mind.  His wife and parents were a lot nicer about his delay in seeking medical advice that I would have been.  I hope they have figured out what the problem is by now. (Tori called Matt at 4:00 a.m. about Zach's pain.  WHY would you not go to the ER when something is that serious? I don't understand having that kind of situation and just doing nothing for so long. )

Yes! I mean his parents seemed a little concerned but I saw a few conversations about is spread out over days, weeks...and he had not even called a doctor. If my son told me this, I would tell him to grab the phone right now while I looked up the number. Wtf? Or go to the ER instead of lying on the couch. That could be serious. 

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Matt has never appeared to be too careful with money. At one point, he bought matching Mercedes for him and Amy, even though Amy was perfectly content  with her "Mom Van".  Now they're rebuilding and moving the pirate ship because the grandkids need to have it.  Um.. Matt... I'm pretty sure the grandkids won't be playing on the pirate ship for a few years. No hurry, Mr. "We have to do it Now!"

What ever happened to those Mercedes, by the way?

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Just now, MoodyGirl said:

Yes! I mean his parents seemed a little concerned but I saw a few conversations about is spread out over days, weeks...and he had not even called a doctor. If my son told me this, I would tell him to grab the phone right now while I looked up the number. Wtf? Or go to the ER instead of lying on the couch. That could be serious. 

I can't help but think this storyline was drawn out for the cameras. Chances are his talking to his parents and Tori about his symptoms occurred after the issue had been addressed, with the conversations recreated, and we'll see the result in a later episode.

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4 minutes ago, Literata said:

I can't help but think this storyline was drawn out for the cameras. Chances are his talking to his parents and Tori about his symptoms occurred after the issue had been addressed, with the conversations recreated, and we'll see the result in a later episode.

Yes I think you are right. Also---I could be wrong and if someone remembers it chime in--but was the conversation Zach had with Amy in the kitchen about the son's ultrasound measurements and the conversation about his headaches filmed at the same time? I know they aired it on different episodes, but it seems like they were wearing the same clothes and had the same set up going with Amy making a sandwich or something. If so, I guess they are just editing stuff all together. 

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To be fair about the pirate ship - the pirate ship was one of the attractions that made the farm quirky. I assume a new one was made for that reason alone.

I'm wondering how Jer and Auj feel about Matt's nursery being tractor themed because the favored male grandson will be a boy.

And I still love how Matt pointedly said he'd stir the shit to get his way. What a prince - he'll make problems and say on camera how he'll do it - to get his way. I suspect the only reason the gender reveal wasn't in the wedding barn was because Auj put her foot down about having her party in a venue with just outhouses.

I also really adore the on screen verification that Matt admitted to using "I'm dying" as a ploy to get his way for *years*.

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1 hour ago, Honey said:

Yup.  A lot of people commented on that a few pages back.  She wasn't just smirking, she was outright SMILING.

ETA: Jeremy looks as though he stinks.

Audrey Roloff is a HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING.  Forgive me for the caps.  Very strong feelings on this one.  She is sick.

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25 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

And I still love how Matt pointedly said he'd stir the shit to get his way. What a prince - he'll make problems and say on camera how he'll do it - to get his way. 

Yes. "Do you want me to create some drama?" Thankfully, Jeremy reacted appropriately. What kind of parent behaves that way?

Caryn, if you're here somewhere, take note. Once a narcissistic fuckwad, always a narcissistic fuckwad. And if you're in it for the money, honey -- as Amy can attest, chances are pretty good he's not dying anytime soon.

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Yes. "Do you want me to create some drama?" Thankfully, Jeremy reacted appropriately. What kind of parent behaves that way?

Seriously - what every young pregnant couple wants, the grand dad intentionally creating drama at a large party of friends and family. I suspect Jeremy fears Audrey more than Matt to be honest, but I will throw him a compliment on a) refusing to take Dad up on his offer to intentionally make trouble and b) not backing down on having the party where he and his wife wanted instead of caving to Matt's need to spite Amy.

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3 hours ago, Whyyouneedaname said:

she was a mess and always just looks dirty....remember back to when she was getting ready for Chris and was bathing in her perfume, made me think of some dollar store spray on someone that just smells dirty and cheap.

OMG! Evening In Paris or something equally as horrid! She needs a makeover and some basic lessons.

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I haven't seen this yet but so detest competition among people regarding their kids - even more so in families who should be loving them unconditionally.  It makes me concerned for their grand kids. Honestly, from watching all this playing out, I think the fairest among them toward any present & future grand kids will probably be Amy. I can see her being equally loving & supportive no matter what gender, & LP or not.

She does seem happier since the divorce & I'm glad for her. I'm still skeptical of Chris & just hope she doesn't get hurt. I can't wait to see this one just for that 'well then when are you going to die' conversation LOL.

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Does anyone else think that their views on females being inferior come from their religious beliefs?  I've seen conservative christians who are really sensitive to gender conformity like the Duggars with girls always having to wear dresses, girls being handed from daddy to husband like chattel, etc.  Just wondering if the Roloffs subscribe to similar belief in the superiority of males. 

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3 hours ago, camom said:

I can kind of understand Zach being happy that Jer is having a girl.  The cousins are going to be very close in age.  Zach grew up being left in the dust by his typical twin and has even said that he could never keep up as a kid.  With the cousin being a girl, there will be less comparison and they won't necessarily be expected to participate in the same activities.  (Although she could be the biggest tom boy ever, which would drive Auj crazy!).

Agreed. And it was very telling when Zach said at the gender reveal party that he hoped it was a girl, so there wouldn't be any direct comparisons between the cousins and they'd each have their own paths. Very telling, indeed.

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13 minutes ago, Normades said:

Does anyone else think that their views on females being inferior come from their religious beliefs?  I've seen conservative christians who are really sensitive to gender conformity like the Duggars with girls always having to wear dresses, girls being handed from daddy to husband like chattel, etc.  Just wondering if the Roloffs subscribe to similar belief in the superiority of males. 

my oldest child is a boy, well both of mine were boys, my husbands grandad was thrilled when we had him, someone to carry on the family name. He was the first great grandchild.

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1 hour ago, booboopbedoo said:

OMG! Evening In Paris or something equally as horrid! She needs a makeover and some basic lessons.

It's interesting to me -- sometimes she looks a little rough, but sometimes she can look absolutely lovely. In last night's talking heads, she looked really pretty, IMO, in her lavender cardigan.

It can be tricky. I divorced when I was around 40, and I came out of the experience with some definite self-esteem challenges. The years leading up to that had been spent raising kids and neglecting myself -- including my weight and my looks. I'm willing to venture a guess that Amy isn't used to paying a lot of attention to her hair or her clothing, and this is somewhat new territory, or territory she hasn't explored in a while. She'll find what works for her on a consistent basis, I think.

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Matt was plotting last season to build a new house and have Amy pay for part because it was an asset to the farm or something like that, it was around the time He told Amy something along the lines that she should give the big house to Audrey and Jeremy, if I remember correctly they were relegating her to the double wide. Even though I'm not a huge general fan of Amy, I do side with her in this divorce scenario. If I were in her situation (granted I can't see my self putting up with Matt enough to even be in a relationship with him) I would be torn between wanting to stand my ground and not let Matt push me out, and wanting to move far far away and not deal with Matts crap.

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25 minutes ago, Normades said:

Does anyone else think that their views on females being inferior come from their religious beliefs?  I've seen conservative christians who are really sensitive to gender conformity like the Duggars with girls always having to wear dresses, girls being handed from daddy to husband like chattel, etc.  Just wondering if the Roloffs subscribe to similar belief in the superiority of males. 

Tough question. I'm sure their conservative Christianity does inform their beliefs about gender roles -- but at the same time, Amy is certainly a strong woman, and I can recall that when we used to see a lot of Pop and Honey in the early days, Honey was certainly no pushover. I do think Amy had some trepidation about remaining single, as that would perhaps diminish her worth in her own eyes -- but as she spreads her wings more and more and is exposed to other views and ideas, she might disregard some of those beliefs.

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What's so great about boys, anyway? I never understood why people -- especially women -- would be disappointed to have a girl! Girls are awesome! And so many of their asinine assumptions about what a girl or boy would be like aren't even guaranteed. Why wouldn't a girl like tractors? Why couldn't Jackson be close to a female cousin? I was the first grandkid (girl!), and the two after me were boys. We were thick as thieves growing up, and to this day, those boys (now men in their 30s) are two of my dearest friends. There's no reason Jackson and [Plumeria? Bookshelf? Whateverthefuck] couldn't be close, just because they have different anatomy. 

I grew up in a conservative Christian extended family, and never once did I hear it implied that female progeny were inferior or a disappointment in any way. I think Matt and Jeremy Roloff are just good old-fashioned misogynists. 

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I don't think there's any doubt that the cousins can and will be close.  I just think that people will be less inclined to compare them or encourage them to compete with one another.  There's absolutely nothing "wrong" with boys or girls, but sometimes there can be advantages to having children with the same or different genders, depending on the situation.

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1 hour ago, booboopbedoo said:

Evening In Paris

Hey, I liked that perfume!! Still I get your point. There is no excuse for not taking a shower and smelling clean. Especially if she and Chris are having adult relations. Wouldn't she want to be clean and fresh for that? 

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 I just think that people will be less inclined to compare them or encourage them to compete with one another.

This. Based on how Zach and Jeremy as kids were never encouraged to be anything but twins and not encouraged to have separate activities, I admit to having the concern that two cousins close in age, especially with one as an LP, would be strongly encouraged to be "lil Zach" to "Lil Jer" instead of being separate people.

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21 minutes ago, camom said:

I don't think there's any doubt that the cousins can and will be close.  I just think that people will be less inclined to compare them or encourage them to compete with one another.  There's absolutely nothing "wrong" with boys or girls, but sometimes there can be advantages to having children with the same or different genders, depending on the situation.

I'm not speaking in general, though; I'm specifically addressing the things some of the Roloffs have said or implied. They seem to think that Jackson will need a boy cousin in order to have someone to play with. Audrey and especially Jeremy could barely contain their disappointment at having a girl. Zach and Tori seem to be more sensible about it, and I think Amy is just happy to have a couple of grandkids in the works. 

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14 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

This. Based on how Zach and Jeremy as kids were never encouraged to be anything but twins and not encouraged to have separate activities, I admit to having the concern that two cousins close in age, especially with one as an LP, would be strongly encouraged to be "lil Zach" to "Lil Jer" instead of being separate people.

That's a scary thought. They will be born their own selves and should be allowed to grow up to their own tunes so to speak. That's why I feel some people take it too far as far as their "junior" is concerned. 

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4 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Hey, I liked that perfume!! Still I get your point. There is no excuse for not taking a shower and smelling clean. Especially if she and Chris are having adult relations. Wouldn't she want to be clean and fresh for that? 

I assume she's taking showers ... unless I missed something, we can't smell her in TV Land. :) I agree that her hair can use some work, but I don't doubt that she's clean. 

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Audrey should be happy to have a little girl. I had a daughter and what fun it was to shop for those cute clothes, grow her hair and do braids etc. She will be a blessing and should be seen as such. 

2 minutes ago, Literata said:

I assume she's taking showers ... unless I missed something, we can't smell her in TV Land. :) I agree that her hair can use some work, but I don't doubt that she's clean. 

Yes, and that was very unkind of me to suggest that she wasn't bathing enough. *sorry*

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17 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Audrey should be happy to have a little girl. I had a daughter and what fun it was to shop for those cute clothes, grow her hair and do braids etc. She will be a blessing and should be seen as such. 

Yes, and that was very unkind of me to suggest that she wasn't bathing enough. *sorry*

No need to apologize! We're all pretty snarky around here. :)

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I cringe when someone refers to a 'Gender' Reveal party. Gender is an identity based on social construct, and cannot be determined by looking at an ultrasound image. 

The sex of a baby, however, can be identified before birth using an ultrasound. I imagine none if this matters to Jer and Auj who have such rigid 'Sugar and Spice, and Everything Nice' ideas about what their daughter will be like before she even emerges from the womb. 

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My daughter, and only child, just had my first Grand baby 3 weeks ago.  We wanted a little girl so much, and that's exactly what we got.  It's so much fun to shop for her, and dress her up.

I can't wait to teach her how to bake and garden, but I will also be teaching her important things, like how to change a tire, how to rewire a lamp, and I will make sure she isn't afraid of spiders (we're a catch and release house).  :)

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28 minutes ago, Honey said:

My daughter, and only child, just had my first Grand baby 3 weeks ago.  We wanted a little girl so much, and that's exactly what we got.  It's so much fun to shop for her, and dress her up.

I can't wait to teach her how to bake and garden, but I will also be teaching her important things, like how to change a tire, how to rewire a lamp, and I will make sure she isn't afraid of spiders (we're a catch and release house).  :)

What fun that will be! Congratulations on your granddaughter!  My grandmother taught me so much.  We loved all living creatures.  I was never afraid of spiders or snakes.  She taught me so much.  There's no substitute for that relationship. 

I like to hear little girls being  encouraged to be engineers, and not just Princesses.  lol  

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36 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

What fun that will be! Congratulations on your granddaughter!  My grandmother taught me so much.  We loved all living creatures.  I was never afraid of spiders or snakes.  She taught me so much.  There's no substitute for that relationship. 

I like to hear little girls being  encouraged to be engineers, and not just Princesses.  lol  

Thank you SunnyBeBe.  The world needs more engineers, and a lot less princesses.

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Haven't posted here in a while but I just had to after watching this show the last few weeks.

Now, here I am watching Jerk and Auj walking in the park and I legitimately couldn't tell which one was which when they showed them from only the legs down.  Um, Jerk, I think you need to cut your hair or something because you are slowly turning into your wife.  Not in a good way.

Also, why does Auj walk so odd?  What is going on there with her?  Did I miss something in a previous episode or does she just have a wonky gait?

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41 minutes ago, rjw85 said:

Haven't posted here in a while but I just had to after watching this show the last few weeks.

Now, here I am watching Jerk and Auj walking in the park and I legitimately couldn't tell which one was which when they showed them from only the legs down.  Um, Jerk, I think you need to cut your hair or something because you are slowly turning into your wife.  Not in a good way.

Also, why does Auj walk so odd?  What is going on there with her?  Did I miss something in a previous episode or does she just have a wonky gait?

It's probably Tawdry ' s version of waddling. She's in her second trimester you know.

Amy you rock?. Finally calling Matt out on "but I'm dying" is great. If Chris does nothing but give you confidence  he's worth it

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The fact that Matt manipulated Amy to get everything he wanted by pulling the 'I am sick/dying' card is despicable. I bet Amy wakes up every morning grateful that she doesn't have to deal with him in a marriage.

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8 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

It's probably Tawdry ' s version of waddling. She's in her second trimester you know.

I knew someone who did that.  You'd have thought no one was ever pregnant before.  She literally waddled - with her hand on her belly in case no one noticed she was PREGNANT - from about 3 months on.  

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17 hours ago, Literata said:

It's interesting to me -- sometimes she looks a little rough, but sometimes she can look absolutely lovely. In last night's talking heads, she looked really pretty, IMO, in her lavender cardigan.

It can be tricky. I divorced when I was around 40, and I came out of the experience with some definite self-esteem challenges. The years leading up to that had been spent raising kids and neglecting myself -- including my weight and my looks. I'm willing to venture a guess that Amy isn't used to paying a lot of attention to her hair or her clothing, and this is somewhat new territory, or territory she hasn't explored in a while. She'll find what works for her on a consistent basis, I think.

Well, last season, Amy was on this makeover kick. She got a new hairstyle and bought all these new clothes, that were quite fashionable and flattering on her.  Recall how she modeled them for Molly, Tori and friends? And she's been painting her nails this season.  I think she is into looking nice now.  Maybe, it's difficult for some people to adjust to her new hairstyle.  I went auburn one time and didn't get any compliments. lol  I got the hint. 

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14 hours ago, rjw85 said:

Haven't posted here in a while but I just had to after watching this show the last few weeks.

Now, here I am watching Jerk and Auj walking in the park and I legitimately couldn't tell which one was which when they showed them from only the legs down.  Um, Jerk, I think you need to cut your hair or something because you are slowly turning into your wife.  Not in a good way.

Also, why does Auj walk so odd?  What is going on there with her?  Did I miss something in a previous episode or does she just have a wonky gait?

I've noticed this about her before in past seasons. It's like she has a very wide stance while moving and it comes off a little masculine. 

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With the recent birth of Jackson, I was wondering did Amy ever talk about her pregnancies more then superficially in any episode? I remember seeing maybe a picture of her pregnant during one of the flashback to the early year shows. I was wondering if she talked about being pregnant with twins and how her body coped? If they did any genetic tests beforehand? I remember Jen Arnold saying something about if 2 little people have a baby there was a 25%? chance of having a baby with a fatal kind of dwarfism? I have always had a feeling that maybe Matt and Amy did some fertility treatments to ensure average size kids after the twins.

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