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Totally get what you mean, it does sound like a lot of beating around the bush.  But I think they cannot say what happened because it's a sexual act and they can't.  

When they say nothing happened, they mean it was actually not something that WB had to be concerned about from a liability standpoint.  

I think the reason for the sit down was an effort to try to redeem Demario in the media, which I feel he deserved.  

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What the show has me eye rolling over is the fake innocence.  They can't show the actual sex act, but they don't need to imply, as they have, that the most scandalous thing DeMario and Corinne did was jump in the pool with their regular clothes on. 

They could show the two of them in the pool kissing, then show the clothes coming off, either with blurring, or from her back, then some more kissing and splashing about.  That would tell us they got naked and did some stuff in the pool without having to actually become porn.  They didn't have any trouble on Nick's season, letting us know Corinne took her top off in the pool with Nick.  This season they've let us know Derek "took," Taylor.  They know how to tell us what happened.  It's the implication that there's nothing to tell that's irritating.

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Yeah I think it would have been so easy to just have Chris say up top at the beginning of the season: "We want to be transparent with Bachelor Nation because the initial reports deservedly got a lot of attention - two of our contestants got hot and heavy on the first night and engaged in oral sex by the pool. Since that type of act is more public and explicit than we're used to here in Paradise, one of our producers who was not present heard about what happened and raised a red flag just in case anything salacious or improper happened. Neither contestant gave any indication that the encounter was inappropriate in any way, but ABC's legal team, along with a team hired by Corinne, investigated what happened and reviewed the footage. Their findings agreed with the contestants themselves that no crime was committed and nothing improper happened between them. We care deeply about the safety of our Bachelor family so we would like to thank the producer for being vigilant. And now, without further ado, here are some goofy people pretending to fall in love and talk to animals."

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As far as the disconnect between Taylor & a mental health career, she certainly wasn't the first.  Don't forget the infamous psycho widow, Kelsey Poe from Chris's season was a school guidance counselor!

And I totally agree about this season being a snooze fest.  I'd love to see Clare & the raccoon back for a little reunion. 

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On 8/22/2017 at 10:03 PM, saber5055 said:

Although I wish Raven would have been "bleeped" on that after-credits segment. Some things are better left unsaid. (And unheard.)

Seriously. How horny would one have to be to find a come on like that remotely enticing? That was among the grossest things I've ever heard, and certainly the grossest way I've ever heard sex referred to (BTW, if anyone has a grosser one, I don't need to hear it). Ick.

Had to laugh at Sarah's calling BS on everyone trying to sell her on Ben. That was not subtle, and kudos to her for basically ignoring it and making her own decision.

Poor Lacey. She seems nice enough, and I think she's pretty, but good grief.

And Taylor? Yep, the mean girl is back. I was finding her surprisingly delightful with her adorable canoodling with Derek. And then there was this episode. Not nice. I don't even object to her suggesting that Dominique get with Diggy, even though he was Lacey's soulmate or whatever. If you really believe they'll be good together (and they certainly seem to be — all Lacey has to do is watch that footage to know that Taylor didn't screw up your relationship with Diggy; he was just waaaaaaay more into Dominique than he was into you), then by all means. But something about the way she went to "comfort" Lacey after, and the subsequent talking head segment just seemed... almost gleeful about Lacey being hurt.

Oh, and that date with Jorge? Weird and awkward. Jorge's awesome and all, but something about that date was a bit creepy. All his talk about how romantic it was, and then talking about how it was special to him because he was conceived there (!), and then just sitting there staring expectantly? It was almost like he was waiting for someone to propose a threesome. I have to admit that I giggled at "Jorge's Tour-heys" or however that would be spelled.

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I saw Carly & Evan's gender reveal on Instagram. What I assume were Evan's sons seemed really excited to see the pink confetti. How did I go to being skeeved out by this couple to finding them kind of adorable? 

As for BIP... this season is a snooze fest. The bro zone is raining all over paradise. The girls don't seem that into the idea too much either. Aside from weepy Lacey, douchey Dean, and an occasional burst of mean girling from Taylor, when she comes up for air, there has been too little drama. I almost miss Ashley I's crying, and that's just crazy. No one is being goofy and talking to animals and the editors seemed to have dialed back a lot of their fun tricks. Boo BIP, boo!

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1 hour ago, ramble said:

As for BIP... this season is a snooze fest. The bro zone is raining all over paradise.

The bros are a big reason why I think it's been so damned boring... the telling part of this week was when they cut to like 8 guys in the hot tub all just hanging out with not a woman even in the shot.

Also the stoppage and the resulting "we now live in a Paradise with strict rules!" aspect for sure ain't helpin! What with the closely tabbed alcohol intake and having to get production permission to go have a fling it's just lost it's spirit, it's joie de vivre.

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I think the "scandal" may have caused the guys on the show to back off of hooking up so instead they're just hanging with the boys. If they don't get hot and heavy with any of the women they don't run the risk of getting called a rapist in the media. I really don't blame them. Corinne's asshole handler ruined Paradise! Add this to the new concept that Paradise couples' end goal is now an engagement, and yeah, their fun singles holiday has been shot to shit. And it is not fun to watch. I'm not sure I'm going to make it through this season. I hope Corinne's buddy spends the rest of her career working a McDonald's drive thru for taking away my trashy summer fun! No, not even McDonald's Carl's Jr. McD's is too good. hahaha

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2 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

I hope Corinne's buddy spends the rest of her career working a McDonald's drive thru for taking away my trashy summer fun! No, not even McDonald's Carl's Jr. McD's is too good. hahaha

Nah, make it somewhere where she has to dress up in a chicken costume or something!!

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I went to bed before Raven's remarks so I don't know what she said, but I've known she has a vulgar streak since she told her ex-boyfriend story, which included the unnecessary information that she saw the other  woman's vagina.  What is wrong with the show this year?  On one hand they're pretending that they had to shut down because two people got frisky in the pool and then they include Raven at her worst.  I long for the days of Chris Bukowski funny-running into the ocean with a blowzy blonde in a hilariously small bikini. That's about my sleaze threshold.

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On August 22, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Ohwell said:

This crap is so stupid and fake but I can't help it, I love it!  

Lacey should have gotten a tan before the show because she's skinny and pale.

Just as it is unnecessary for someone with dark skin to lighten their skin color, it is unnecessary for someone with pale skin to darken their skin color.  Lacy looked perfectly fine as is.  The issue was her desperation.  She would have more success in dating if she would just relax.

Taylor is really cruel.  She seemed quite pleased in her ITM's about Lacy's misery over Diggy.  I can't believe she is supposed to be a mental health counselor! 

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On 8/23/2017 at 9:07 AM, Jaclyn88 said:

I think Kristina is the prettiest one there so I don't know why none of the other guys are showing interest 

Amanda and Raven are considered great beauties in the Bachelor universe. This is not an intelligent group of people. ??‍♂️

FamilyVan said:

There are at least a half dozen folks on this show I am really wondering how they got cast on a Bachelor Season to begin with.

Thisss. We're told that thousands apply. How unappealing are these thousands if we get the casts that we do? Let's consider Nick's season, starting with Dominique. Unremarkable-looking, slightly sour disposition, dull backstory (LA waitress). Or Lacey. Cute from some angles but desperate. Jaimi the bi chef with the bull ring from is downright matronly. Did they cast her to prove they're #woke? Christen the Virgin is also nothing special. Virginity was her ticket to being cast.

And yet Sarah, objectively one of the prettiest, hardly got any attention, as if she were competing with the VS Angels. (Off the show she's already been humped & dumped by Adam and Robby, the latter a few months before filming.)

The men are just as nothing-special.

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I just started watching, so very little has happened and my opinions will probably change again as the "plot" progresses, but I don´t get the Adam love... He seems like a fun guy but he isn´t good-looking. I think he´s bordering on creepy, mainly because he reminds me of creepy-looking actors and I think his look fits someone like that. Maybe it´s different in person.

Ben is overdoing it a bit with only talking about the puppy, as adorable as it is, I understand why the women aren´t taking him on dates. He is super gorgeous though, and it seems like he is fun and all that just as long as he gets a second conversation.

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8 hours ago, PhysNerd said:

I can't believe she is supposed to be a mental health counselor! 

Just think, her mean girl antics will generate new clients for her. She screws them up then goes into counselor mode to help them. She's like a sour patch kid. 

1 hour ago, Bugs Meany said:

Amanda and Raven are considered great beauties in the Bachelor universe. This is not an intelligent group of people

HAHAHAHAHA OMG that is spot on!

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On ‎8‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 11:48 AM, saber5055 said:

Family Van, I was one who posted I wish the film of Corinne and Demario should be shown because, according to this show, NOTHING happened, no one knew why they were going home, including Demario, and EVERYONE was stunned to read all the FALSE blown out-of-proportion accounts given by news and entertainment shows. Because NOTHING happened. No one on the show, including CH, will say what "the incident" was, so we don't know it was a "sex act." How could it be if "nothing" happened? Corinne wasn't drunk, Demario didn't do anything, everyone in Paradise was just "having a good time." I, for one, am tired of CH accomplishing absolutely nothing with his sit-down lectures and now interviews with Demario and Corinne. IMO, TPTB should have given it five minutes on episode one, then let it drop instead of dragging it out and continuing to call it "the incident" but never saying what really happened. Fish or cut bait. YMMV, of course.

Yes - CH tells us we're going to get the real story of what happened.

Then it's a long, drawn-out interview with Demario, supported by others who were there, everyone is crying.  And the answer to "what really happened to make them shut down the show?"  is:  NOTHING! 

Sure - they shut down the show, send everyone home, call n the lawyers, review the tape, all over a big fat nothing-burger. 

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On ‎8‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 1:59 PM, huskerj12 said:

Yeah I think it would have been so easy to just have Chris say up top at the beginning of the season: "We want to be transparent with Bachelor Nation because the initial reports deservedly got a lot of attention - two of our contestants got hot and heavy on the first night and engaged in oral sex by the pool. Since that type of act is more public and explicit than we're used to here in Paradise, one of our producers who was not present heard about what happened and raised a red flag just in case anything salacious or improper happened. Neither contestant gave any indication that the encounter was inappropriate in any way, but ABC's legal team, along with a team hired by Corinne, investigated what happened and reviewed the footage. Their findings agreed with the contestants themselves that no crime was committed and nothing improper happened between them. We care deeply about the safety of our Bachelor family so we would like to thank the producer for being vigilant. And now, without further ado, here are some goofy people pretending to fall in love and talk to animals."

YEs, that would have been perfect! 

 

On ‎8‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 9:52 AM, Mabinogia said:

I think the "scandal" may have caused the guys on the show to back off of hooking up so instead they're just hanging with the boys. If they don't get hot and heavy with any of the women they don't run the risk of getting called a rapist in the media. I really don't blame them. Corinne's asshole handler ruined Paradise! Add this to the new concept that Paradise couples' end goal is now an engagement, and yeah, their fun singles holiday has been shot to shit. And it is not fun to watch. I'm not sure I'm going to make it through this season. I hope Corinne's buddy spends the rest of her career working a McDonald's drive thru for taking away my trashy summer fun! No, not even McDonald's Carl's Jr. McD's is too good. hahaha

Well, the initial reports (though CH will say they weren't true)  said that Corinne was making out with a few other guys as well as Demario the first day,  so yeah, I bet the whole thing was making the guys hesitant to "interact" too much with the women. 

18 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I went to bed before Raven's remarks so I don't know what she said, but I've known she has a vulgar streak since she told her ex-boyfriend story, which included the unnecessary information that she saw the other  woman's vagina.  What is wrong with the show this year?  On one hand they're pretending that they had to shut down because two people got frisky in the pool and then they include Raven at her worst.  I long for the days of Chris Bukowski funny-running into the ocean with a blowzy blonde in a hilariously small bikini. That's about my sleaze threshold.

They were talking about different euphemisms for sex, or for asking for sex..  The others were talking about innocuous things like "boom-boom", and Raven's addition to the conversation was asking a guy "wanna get some stank on your hang-down?"  the others asked her to repeat it, because it took a while to comprehend and get over the shock of what she said.  

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1 hour ago, backformore said:

They were talking about different euphemisms for sex, or for asking for sex..  The others were talking about innocuous things like "boom-boom", and Raven's addition to the conversation was asking a guy "wanna get some stank on your hang-down?"  the others asked her to repeat it, because it took a while to comprehend and get over the shock of what she said.  

Wow.  Stay classy, Raven. 

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I didn't see much of Taylor on Nick's season, but I thought she was nice enough on this season...same with Derek. But this week, Taylor seemed so mean and b*tchy...like in every way. I was like "where the heck did that come from?", but then again, I know that she was not well-liked on Nick's season, so I came to the conclusion that that must be why. After that realization, I wondered why Derek, who seems so nice, was with someone as mean and controlling as Taylor. It perplexed me. However, in an effort to catch up on my viewing of last week's episodes, I re-watched the episodes from the previous week's. In doing so, I saw a similar mean streak in Derek as well. If you recall, when Alex first walked in, they cut to Derek's one-on-one interview and he was trashing Alex unnecessarily...and in a very b*tchy and mean way. It was at that moment that I realized, "Derek and Taylor DESERVE each other!" They are both mean a*holes. And here I thought they were a very cute and sweet couple. Not anymore.

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On 8/22/2017 at 10:04 PM, JenE4 said:

Matt thinks Kristina and Dean are a good match because they have equitable childhood trauma. Um, no, this is why their inner children would never work--they're both closed off because of abandonment issues (or some such). You need one person to be the emotional giver here. Or, so goes my absolutely untrained/uneducated analysis/opinion.

I don't agree. People with trauma need THERAPY first...before even getting into a serious relationship...or at the least simultaneously. Using a romantic partner as a therapist and "emotional giver" is selfish and wrong. Romantic relationships are supposed to be balanced with both people giving and taking. If someone is looking for a one-sided relationship in which they only take while the other gives, they can fork over the cash for a therapist...not use people.

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3 hours ago, backformore said:

Yes - CH tells us we're going to get the real story of what happened.

Then it's a long, drawn-out interview with Demario, supported by others who were there, everyone is crying.  And the answer to "what really happened to make them shut down the show?"  is:  NOTHING! 

Sure - they shut down the show, send everyone home, call n the lawyers, review the tape, all over a big fat nothing-burger. 

Exactly. We don't have to see the tape, but Chris easily could have said something like the investigation found that Corinna and Demario engaged in consensual behavior. He wouldn't even have to say they had sex; we can figure it out. But instead he danced all around the subject, which was irritating. 

But I still wonder what the producer saw that made her think there was a problem. Did Corinne look like she completely out of it or passed out?

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3 hours ago, backformore said:

Raven's addition to the conversation was asking a guy "wanna get some stank on your hang-down?"

I'm asking my husband this when he returns from the store, just to see his reaction.

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49 minutes ago, OnceSane said:

I'm asking my husband this when he returns from the store, just to see his reaction.

Be careful, Once Sane, you might awaken the red neck beast within.

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If that represents Raven's take on sex, it's no wonder she never had the big O before she ended up frolicking in Finland...

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5 hours ago, AllyCat7 said:

I don't agree. People with trauma need THERAPY first...before even getting into a serious relationship...or at the least simultaneously. Using a romantic partner as a therapist and "emotional giver" is selfish and wrong. Romantic relationships are supposed to be balanced with both people giving and taking. If someone is looking for a one-sided relationship in which they only take while the other gives, they can fork over the cash for a therapist...not use people.

I agree with you on the therapy. I never said a runner and a chaser make for a HEALTHY relationship, but if they're both runners, they'll never even get together, lol.

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7 hours ago, AllyCat7 said:

I didn't see much of Taylor on Nick's season, but I thought she was nice enough on this season...same with Derek. But this week, Taylor seemed so mean and b*tchy...like in every way. I was like "where the heck did that come from?", but then again, I know that she was not well-liked on Nick's season, so I came to the conclusion that that must be why. After that realization, I wondered why Derek, who seems so nice, was with someone as mean and controlling as Taylor. It perplexed me. However, in an effort to catch up on my viewing of last week's episodes, I re-watched the episodes from the previous week's. In doing so, I saw a similar mean streak in Derek as well. If you recall, when Alex first walked in, they cut to Derek's one-on-one interview and he was trashing Alex unnecessarily...and in a very b*tchy and mean way. It was at that moment that I realized, "Derek and Taylor DESERVE each other!" They are both mean a*holes. And here I thought they were a very cute and sweet couple. Not anymore.

Derek and Alex have a contentious relationship from their original season, where Alex ganged up on Derek for no real reason, IIRC, so I don't really blame Derek for not having anything nice to easy about Alex. Hell, I can't find anything nice to say about Alex and I didn't have to live with him.

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Totally get what you mean, it does sound like a lot of beating around the bush.  But I think they cannot say what happened because it's a sexual act and they can't.  

When they say nothing happened, they mean it was actually not something that WB had to be concerned about from a liability standpoint.  

I think the reason for the sit down was an effort to try to redeem Demario in the media, which I feel he deserved.  

Since when has this franchise shied away from talking about OR showing sexual acts? They've shown sex under covers, in the ocean, handjobs in the pool, etc. So the sudden pearl clutching seems odd.

I have no interest in seeing the actual footage, I'm just sick of them dragging the topic out while being ridiculously coy. 

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That Raven, proving she's wife material. Oye. Imagine bringing her home to mom and dad after they see that? hahaha Imagine being her mom and dad and seeing that. They must be so proud. Or her dad, I can't remember if she had a mom. Something makes me think her mom died or something, but I'm probably wrong. I don't pay much attention to these people's back stories. 

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4 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

That Raven, proving she's wife material. Oye. Imagine bringing her home to mom and dad after they see that? hahaha Imagine being her mom and dad and seeing that. They must be so proud. Or her dad, I can't remember if she had a mom. Something makes me think her mom died or something, but I'm probably wrong. I don't pay much attention to these people's back stories. 

Raven's mom is very much alive. She was shown on hometowns in Nick's season. 

I like Raven but I agree she seems to blurt out the most shocking things. I wasn't watching closely when she said that evidently because I thought they were just discussing other words or terms for sex. Still that's a vulgar way of putting it. 

Still I don't see why some of these girls acted so shocked. Please. I love Alexis but I definitely can believe she has her own choice words for many things. And Amanda? She acts so sweet and cute but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't either. Actually I wouldn't with any of them. The difference with Raven is she just bluntly says what she thinks. Someone needs to teach her what the word "tact" means. But at least she's honest.

I don't think Raven is a beauty as some do but I don't think she's unattractive either. Her looks seem pretty normal to me. As does most of the other women's IMO. 

And to be strictly honest I don't think any of these women would be great choices to bring home to mama. But if I were a man I would certainly prefer to bring her home over fake, mean spirited Taylor any day.

She reminds me somewhat of the character Celia in the movie, "The Help". 

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I also thought Raven tossed out Stank On Your Hang-Down as a general euphemism, not as a personal preferred proposition. Also, I loved the phrase, because I am super dainty.

I did enjoy the incredulous responses, though.  SKANK? on your hand-down? If this was a game of telephone it would have gone to 'Spanx on a hambone' and beyond.

I enjoyed seeing Sarah tonight. I didn't remember this about her and I can't recall specifics at the moment but she seemed capable of making conversation and expressing herself beyond the usual collection of BIP stock phrases.

I would love to sit down and talk incessantly with Ben Z about dogs. While once upon a time I had a truly great dog, now I can match his every best-dog comment and claim with an anecdote about how my current dog is The Worst. But also the funniest and the cutest. But mostly The Worst.

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19 hours ago, backformore said:

"wanna get some stank on your hang-down?" 

Huh?  Never heard that one before!  I'm not sure this is so much vulgar as it is odd.

11 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

Derek and Alex have a contentious relationship from their original season, where Alex ganged up on Derek for no real reason, IIRC, so I don't really blame Derek for not having anything nice to easy about Alex.

I thought Derek was on Kaitlyn's season & Alex was on Joelle's.  Maybe I'm remembering wrong & all these people are just blending.

10 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

That Raven, proving she's wife material. Oye. Imagine bringing her home to mom and dad after they see that? hahaha Imagine being her mom and dad and seeing that. They must be so proud. Or her dad, I can't remember if she had a mom. Something makes me think her mom died or something, but I'm probably wrong. I don't pay much attention to these people's back stories. 

I think Raven's the one whose dad had cancer & he announced on the hometown visit that he was in remission.  But as @yorklee2 said, I do recall her mom being alive, I didn't think that was a stepmom on hometowns.

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6 hours ago, yorklee2 said:

Still I don't see why some of these girls acted so shocked. Please. I love Alexis but I definitely can believe she has her own choice words for many things.

I just remember thinking, if it shocks Alexis it must be pretty nasty.Raven's mother is part of her famous ex-boyfriend story.  Raven was at home when she heard that her doctor-boyfriend was  shacked up in the city with another woman.  Raven's mom handed  her the car keys and said, "Go get him!" 

 

6 hours ago, piewarmer said:

I would love to sit down and talk incessantly with Ben Z about dogs. While once upon a time I had a truly great dog, now I can match his every best-dog comment and claim with an anecdote about how my current dog is The Worst. But also the funniest and the cutest. But mostly The Worst.

Is it a Dachshund? " Funniest and worst,"  describes mine to a T.  She bosses me around from dawn to dark, growling at me to start cooking dinner at 4:30, pulling out my book marks to shred them, making a break for the front door every chance she gets so she can run down to the other Dachshund's house to stand in it's front yard and bark loudly, trying to call her out for a fight. She's extremely loving at home, but the vet and his staff have to use welder's gloves to handle her. She throws her head back and howls with lovesickness whenever my brother's terrier is even  mentioned. She knows his name and  about thirty other words, we have to spell. Right now she's barking because an unusual car is in the driveway two doors down.  She barks. All. Day. Long.  Oh yes, I could make Ben Z''s eyes glaze over from dog talk.

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6 hours ago, piewarmer said:

I also thought Raven tossed out Stank On Your Hang-Down as a general euphemism, not as a personal preferred proposition. Also, I loved the phrase, because I am super dainty.

 

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

I think Raven's the one whose dad had cancer & he announced on the hometown visit that he was in remission.  But as @yorklee2 said, I do recall her mom being alive, I didn't think that was a stepmom on hometowns.

 

22 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Raven was at home when she heard that her doctor-boyfriend was  shacked up in the city with another woman.  Raven's mom handed  her the car keys and said, "Go get him!" 

That's the way I took it also @piewarmer. I'm in Tennessee but I've never heard the phrase. Apparently it most be a thing in Arkansas.

Yes Raven's dad had cancer @ByTor and it was announced on the show he was in remission. I hope he still is and is doing well. As a cancer patient myself I can certainly relate.

I know @JudyObscure. At the time someone mentioned the song, "Fancy" as coming to mind when they thought of Raven and all I could think of then was her mom handing her the keys and saying, "here's your one chance Raven don't let me down".

Raven certainly has her faults (as does everyone) but I still can't help but like her.

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10 minutes ago, yorklee2 said:

Yes Raven's dad had cancer @ByTor and it was announced on the show he was in remission. I hope he still is and is doing well. As a cancer patient myself I can certainly relate.

I have to admit, as much as this franchise makes me roll my eyes, the dad's remission got me a bit teary.

I hope you're doing well!

30 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

She's extremely loving at home, but the vet and his staff have to use welder's gloves to handle her

LOL I get it, Dachshunds HATE me!

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22 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

Just think, her mean girl antics will generate new clients for her. She screws them up then goes into counselor mode to help them. She's like a sour patch kid. 

 

LMAO! If that's true, then Taylor sure is business savvy! 

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22 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I have to admit, as much as this franchise makes me roll my eyes, the dad's remission got me a bit teary.

I hope you're doing well!

Thank you so much @ByTor! Hanging in there. One day at a time.

I can understand being teary. I find myself tearing up at even the oddest things, sometimes.

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13 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

Since when has this franchise shied away from talking about OR showing sexual acts? They've shown sex under covers, in the ocean, handjobs in the pool, etc. So the sudden pearl clutching seems odd.

The (likely) sex was happening under covers, or underwater (at night) at some distance. The (the very very very strongly implied) handjob happened underwater; all we saw was Joe's O-face. Maybe they were just making out; maybe Joe and Samantha were just looking at each other intensely and wordlessly. A man's face between a woman's legs is a different story. There's no way to suggest or imply that.

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Piewarmer, your 'Spanx on a hambone" really cracked me up. Now THAT'S a euphemism for sex I could get behind. I do have to reprimand Backformore and JudyObscure for bringing up Raven's gross after-credits comment though. I had put it out of my brain and now it's back. Thanks a lot you guys. NOT! LOL! As for Dachshunds, when I worked for a professional dog-show handler, we showed several of them and it was well-known you could/would get bitten just taking them out of their crates. Cute little buggers though.

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13 hours ago, yorklee2 said:

Apparently it most be a thing in Arkansas

I've lived in multiple towns in Arkansas in different regions of the state. I've never heard it before. 

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17 minutes ago, ramble said:

I've lived in multiple towns in Arkansas in different regions of the state. I've never heard it before. 

I'm doing whatever I can to make this a thing in California. What I lack in legitimately acquired twang I make up for in misplaced enthusiasm.

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33 minutes ago, ramble said:

I've lived in multiple towns in Arkansas in different regions of the state. I've never heard it before. 

It does make you wonder where or how this phrase started. I think it's safe to say it's came from the younger generation.

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On 8/24/2017 at 11:08 AM, Madding crowd said:

I noticed Ben Z when he was on the Bachelorette, and he spoke like a normal person. This constant dog conversation seems rehearsed and read off cue cards.

I agree. I remember some of us speculating that he might be the next bachelor instead of the other Ben who was chosen. I think he's being edited to be dog-obsessed. I'll bet he's said a lot more and we're just now being shown. I don't understand it though, because I think he's a hunk.

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12 hours ago, saber5055 said:

Hey OnceSane: We need an update on your husband's reaction to Raven's Spanx-in-the-hambone question.

He looked at me and said, "WTF?"  I repeated the question and he looked at me like I was crazy and said, "What is wrong with you?"  I explained and he laughed.  And said that this kind of thing is exactly why he doesn't watch this crap.

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