S12.E02: It's Either My Way or the Feng Shui

[VedaPierce]

While Shannon was waving her finger in the air and pointing and jabbing and protesting vehemently that she was nothing like Vickie, she sounded just like Vickie. Lol. 

No, Shannon was not yelling, but calm the hell down. Can't stand talking to people like that. What would it hurt Shannon to just listen to Lydia's reasoning? I was actually curious to hear why Lydia decided that Shannon was just like Vickie. I don't think that they are alike at all, actually, but was curious about what that Brat Doll put together in her pea brain. 

[snarts]

I don't usually comment on age appropriate clothing because I feel it really depends on the person.  However, the rubber leggings Shannon was sporting to host her daughter's first big dance send-off were downright awful.  Just no.  The stiletto heels paired with them made it worse.  As did the 5 or 6 drinks Shannon must've had beforehand.  Shannon must lent out her makeup artist to Sophie, they were both wearing a ton of sparkly shadow in the corner of their eyes.  Just no on that too.  

Poor Ava is Ryan's twin.  He still creeps me out.  Remind me, how many kids does Tamra have?  Do any of the them live with her?

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Crazy thing, I believe Lydia was trying to say that Shannon's reaction to Lydia and the subject matter was close to the way Vicki responded to Lydia over that topic of conversation during THEIR talk and not  about comparing their behaviors during the conflicts they've been having with each other over the years.

Me too.  Lydia's not the most well spoken (what up, valley girl) but I don't think she meant it the way Shannon took it and she definitely didn't anticipate Shannon's reaction.  

Not a huge fan of Kelly's but watching her poke at Shannon next week might be fun.

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

While Shannon was waving her finger in the air and pointing and jabbing and protesting vehemently that she was nothing like Vickie, she sounded just like Vickie. Lol. 

No, Shannon was not yelling, but calm the hell down. Can't stand talking to people like that. What would it hurt Shannon to just listen to Lydia's reasoning? I was actually curious to hear why Lydia decided that Shannon was just like Vickie. I don't think that they are alike at all, actually, but was curious about what that Brat Doll put together in her pea brain. 

On WWHL, Lydia claimed she was trying to say that both women, Shannon and Vicki, were hurt by things the other said/did. Both Shannon and Tamra claimed they asked Lydia to stop talking to them about Vicki numerous times and Lydia ignored their request (Lydia denies this), which made Shannon go ballistic. Lydia had just met Shannon and was out of line trying to talk to her about Vicki's point of view. I also call BS on Lydia's claim that she didn't watch the show after she left or that she didn't know about the fight between Shannon/Tamra and Vicki.

[VedaPierce]

22 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

On WWHL, Lydia claimed she was trying to say that both women, Shannon and Vicki, were hurt by things the other said/did. Both Shannon and Tamra claimed they asked Lydia to stop talking to them about Vicki numerous times and Lydia ignored their request (Lydia denies this), which made Shannon go ballistic. Lydia had just met Shannon and was out of line trying to talk to her about Vicki's point of view. I also call BS on Lydia's claim that she didn't watch the show after she left or that she didn't know about the fight between Shannon/Tamra and Vicki.

Well, they ARE on a show together which stars 6 women, which revolves around these 6 women and their lives and their fights and friendships. Of course Lydia will move the story along! For Shannon and Tamra to claim that they were there to enjoy Ava turning 2 and nothing else is disengenuous. They don't get to decide who talks about what and when. Come on, we all know why they are there, why they go out to lunch, etc. it's like a porn star showing up to a set and saying she doesn't go there until the 3rd date. We know who you are and why you're here. Now get to work and start fighting, or screwing, or whatever you're getting paid the big bucks for. I'm not tuning in to watch some kid get her face painted. 

and tamra and Shannon can claim whatever they want. They know exactly what to say now to make themselves look better.

i agree about the bs of Lydia not watching the show. Every single housewife watches each episode 10x before they set foot on these shows and if they they don't, they're bigger fools than I thought.

Edited July 18, 2017 by VedaPierce

[VedaPierce]

Btw...Shannon doesn't need much to go ballistic. And I don't care what they claim about editing, all I saw was Shannon losing her shit and talking over Lydia. Can't stand that tactic. Usually the trait of someone losing an argument or afraid of losing an argument or afraid of hearing anything from any point of view not their own. Tamra sat quietly (medicated) most of that time. If Shannon wasn't waving her finger around and storming off in tears over NOTHING, we wouldn't see it. 

Edited July 18, 2017 by VedaPierce

[notnowimbusy]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Not just then. There was a moment where she kept asking if there was room for her in the limo to the dance. She was just being really loud and a bit too involved with the teenagers, IMO. But I couldn't tell if it was normal, zany Shannon or one-too-many-Grey-Gooses-Shannon. 

I suspect when Shannon feels overwhelmed she may take a drink or two  or three- not just in the evening.    She justifies it by telling herself it calms her down.  

[Sai]

2 hours ago, DrivingSideways said:

I used to feel bad for Shannon when she would get gaslit by people.  But although Vicki was sleazy for going along with Brooks, I definitely think Shannon has overplayed her betrayal card and now looks like the crazy one.  She's so easy to trigger, so when people mess with her, I no longer feel bad for her and instead laugh my ass off.  She puts herself on this show, so it's on her.  

I can't believe I would ever say this, but Tamra seems to have really changed.  She actually does seem like a grounded, decent person now.  I was calling her a rapist until a few years ago.  I do hope they get past all of this and she reconnects with Vicki, because they are fun together.

Speaking of Vicki... I know it's not popular but I adore Vicki, because she is crazy.  She was harmless crazy with Donn, and it's not been fun watching her flame out the past few seasons.  But I laughed a lot when she called Shannon's distractions a crock of shit.  She's absolutely right.  

Lydia seems the same to me as she ever did.  I enjoy her more than Heather, so it's an upgrade to me.  I was promised we were done with Meghan, I thought??  Why is she back?  GO AWAY.  She was sensible last season but it still unlikeable.

I like Vicki also.  I don't adore her but I do like her.  She's funny.

[WireWrap]

33 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Well, they ARE on a show together which stars 6 women, which revolves around these 6 women and their lives and their fights and friendships. Of course Lydia will move the story along! For Shannon and Tamra to claim that they were there to enjoy Ava turning 2 and nothing else is disengenuous. They don't get to decide who talks about what and when. Come on, we all know why they are there, why they go out to lunch, etc. it's like a porn star showing up to a set and saying she doesn't go there until the 3rd date. We know who you are and why you're here. Now get to work and start fighting, or screwing, or whatever you're getting paid the big bucks for. I'm not tuning in to watch some kid get her face painted. 

and tamra and Shannon can claim whatever they want. They know exactly what to say now to make themselves look better.

i agree about the bs of Lydia not watching the show. Every single housewife watches each episode 10x before they set foot on these shows and if they they don't, they're bigger fools than I thought.

Yes, they are on the show but starting a fight, which is what Lydia did, at a 2 year olds BP is wrong even for reality TV. Lydia would not like it had it been her child's BP either. This was the first time Lydia met Shannon and Lydia came looking to start a war, well, she got one! LOL

[msblossom]

I think I know what Lydia's agenda is, other than to be a "friend" to Vicki, Bravo brought her back to stir the pot and give Vicki someone to film with besides Kelly to even out the armies. 

Lydia said she was in agreement with Tamra about Vicki being in the wrong about the the cancer scam and putting David's alleged domestic abuse on blast, so why is she lumping Shannon with what Vicki did? Even if what Vicki said was fact, and I believe there's truth to it, why wouldn't Lydia have a little sympathy for a woman she's just met who endured public speculation and marital humiliation? Why? Because Lydia's been coached by production to stir up a hornet's nest in the guise of "friend whisperer". 

By the looks of next weeks episode Shannon will need psychiatric hospitalization if things keep going at this pace. Woman, you are a mother to 3 beautiful daughters and you are going batshit crazy on people not worth your time and energy. You talk about fancy cotillions and proper etiquette for your girls yet you model Jerry Springer Show-like antics. 

Meghan is, at this point, the only one I like, and Tamra is tolerable. 

[Cheetosandchoc]

3 hours ago, DrivingSideways said:

 

Speaking of Vicki... I know it's not popular but I adore Vicki, because she is crazy.  She was harmless crazy with Donn, and it's not been fun watching her flame out the past few seasons.  But I laughed a lot when she called Shannon's distractions a crock of shit.  She's absolutely right.  

          I think a big part of the reason I dislike Lydia so intensely is because she makes such a big deal about what a great Christian she is, and how she is nice and good and so sweet! Then pulls that crap on Shannon out of nowhere and does not acknowledge her part in it and claims she had the best intentions and is misunderstood and therefore a victim. Vicki is here because she loves being on the show and knows how to bring the drama. She doesn't pretend to be any different. I respect that.

[JennyMominFL]

3 hours ago, snarts said:

I don't usually comment on age appropriate clothing because I feel it really depends on the person.  However, the rubber leggings Shannon was sporting to host her daughter's first big dance send-off were downright awful.  Just no.  The stiletto heels paired with them made it worse.  As did the 5 or 6 drinks Shannon must've had beforehand.  Shannon must lent out her makeup artist to Sophie, they were both wearing a ton of sparkly shadow in the corner of their eyes.  Just no on that too.  

Poor Ava is Ryan's twin.  He still creeps me out.  Remind me, how many kids does Tamra have?  Do any of the them live with her?

Me too.  Lydia's not the most well spoken (what up, valley girl) but I don't think she meant it the way Shannon took it and she definitely didn't anticipate Shannon's reaction.  

Not a huge fan of Kelly's but watching her poke at Shannon next week might be fun.

I'm 47 and you will pry my sparkly shadow out of my cold dead hands. Stila magnificent metals is the best

Edited July 19, 2017 by JennyMominFL

[ShawnaLanne]

Shannon overreacted. Shannon ALWAYS overreacts. It's obnoxious.  But Lydia didn't come over to "be a friend" she came over to stir the pot. She's a witchy bitch as Ramona would say. 

[lilmarysunshine]

2 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

I usually find Shannon beyond annoying and ridiculous, but strangely, found her endearing on prom night! I thought she was cute and corny and told silly jokes, but thought she was really sweet. Her jokes about getting into a limo were just what a silly parent who loves her kid so much would say. :) I was actually very touched. I liked this shannon. 

I was gonna say maybe I know too many moms like her - sort of loud, crazy (in a good way) ones - that her behavior didn't seem that off to me and is sort of what you would expect and then expect the teenager to roll her eyes at her mom.  lol   It seemed really kind of typical to me.

Plus she might have been a little nervous hosting all of those people. 

[Former Nun]

22 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

 Armenians eat and have family?

Italians don't?  Mexican's don't?  

[zoeysmom]

Sometimes these women  write the darndest things.   First off I think Lydia needs to realize she is just absolutely clueless when it comes to what she thinks is the problem in the other women's relationships.  Last week it was Vicki and Tamra was really all about they love each other.  Vicki set the record straight for Lydia's mischaracterization that she and Tamra really love each other.  Not watching the show is not an excuse for ignorance, watch the show before commenting, you are getting paid to do so and while Ioathe to defend Vicki's feelings Lydia was minimizing Vicki's disdain for Tamra and the unmentioned Shannon

Back to writing really stupid things-Vicki in going all in defending Lydia wrote the following: http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-12/blogs/vicki-gunvalson/vicki-gunvalson-i-was-proud-of

    ". . . .the problem is they think it is okay to talk negatively about me, but no one can say anything negatively about them."

I guess Vicki is concurring with Shannon that by Lydia likening Shannon  to her is really, really  a negative thing.  So Vicki should be agreeing that Shannon had the right to respond to negative comments about her.

How Lydia could agree with Shannon and Tamra about Vicki's comments being hurtful and unacceptable and then think it okay to say Shannon reminds her of Vicki?  I also think Lydia who witnesses yelling and screaming in Whistler, is a little bit of a drama queen.   Lydia accused Shannon of screaming at her and told her mother, Shannon screamed at me.   

Way to stand up for Lydia Vicki.  I don't think Vicki gets that Lydia wasn't defending her or her actions.

[Former Nun]

50 minutes ago, Cheetosandchoc said:

She doesn't pretend to be any different. I respect that.

Ummmmmm.............I don't think I can go that far.  She seems to always say that she's a "good person, "a good mother," "a good friend," and more...she pretends a lot.  We roll our collective eyes.

[PhilMarlowe2]

16 hours ago, lunastartron said:

* I'm not sure whether to mention it because I don't want to do anything proximate to fat shaming but the way in which Shannon shoved the chip into her mouth right as that final showdown was ramping up telegraphed really oddly to me. Almost compulsive. 

I found Shannon excitedly proclaiming "I'm going to have a nacho!" in the background while Tamra awkwardly tries to have a "serious" conversation with Lydia so unintentionally hilarious. Not because of Shannon's weight, just because it was funny.

[VedaPierce]

52 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Shannon overreacted. Shannon ALWAYS overreacts. It's obnoxious.  But Lydia didn't come over to "be a friend" she came over to stir the pot. She's a witchy bitch as Ramona would say. 

Lol...Witchy Bitch...lol lol. Love me some Ramoner. She's battier by the day.

[Avon.Blakes7]

1 minute ago, VedaPierce said:

Lol...Witchy Bitch...lol lol. Love me some Ramoner. She's battier by the day.

I think she messed up for the last time concerning Bethenny! I don't blame the animus "vomiting" out all she resented about the woman! Invoking Brynn like that would have been the last straw IMB! ;-)

[VedaPierce]

21 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Ummmmmm.............I don't think I can go that far.  She seems to always say that she's a "good person, "a good mother," "a good friend," and more...she pretends a lot.  We roll our collective eyes.

I actually don't think she's a good anything but maybe Grandma. And it's easy to be a good grandma. Toddlers aren't as complex as full-grown humans. I think she's an awful friend who will use your confidences against you if she feels you wronged her. She was an awful wife. A needy daughter. Her son won't give her his address and has a perpetual creepy smile on his face. Brianna is Brianna. As good a daughter as Vickie deserves. She can be funny sometimes, I'll give her that. I liked it when she peed on Tamra's bed. 

Edited July 19, 2017 by VedaPierce

[ShawnaLanne]

41 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

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I also think Lydia who witnesses yelling and screaming in Whistler, is a little bit of a drama queen.   Lydia accused Shannon of screaming at her and told her mother, Shannon screamed at me.   

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Little miss fairy fart, ferret face absolutely gets off on drama and rather than stand back and watch she's gonna stir the pot this year. 

*Sorry for the extreme cut.  I'm having problems bolding. 

[notnowimbusy]

Lydia wasn't involved in the entire Brooks/Vicki debacle.  She has no idea how Vicki misled (notice I didn't say lied) to people, used them, etc.  Lydia comes in like it was a fight over something minor.  Vicki and Tamra have been on & off for a long time, and I think Shannon fills the role in Tamra's life that Vicki used to fill.  I'm sure input from Eddie not wanting Vicki's drama anymore was part of it.   So, for Lydia to assume she could come back on, be a peacemaker, and fix everything is pretty darn egotistic of her.    When Tamra was trying to explain that their issues w/Vicki were their issues completely went over Lydia's head.  She was determined to make everything better.  Nope.  Life isn't all confetti and sparkles.   If somebody has done me wrong, I can set it aside and be cordial, but they will never be close friends or be invited back into my life.   Lydia should just hang out with Meghan.  Meghan would hang on every work Lydia has to say.  The other women are too savvy to but her fair sprinkles.

[jaybird2]

2 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

I'm 47 and you will pry my sparkly shadow out of my cold dead hands. Stila magnificent medals is the best

lol!!  we should put you on sweet home oklahoma, my new favorite show.  you would fit right in. so funny!

[JennyMominFL]

3 minutes ago, jaybird2 said:

lol!!  we should put you on sweet home oklahoma, my new favorite show.  you would fit right in. so funny!

I don't know. Those republicans would eat this tree hugging liberal alive. I will say that if you are going to wear glittery eye shadow , you have to keep the rest of the makeup pretty low key.

Edited July 19, 2017 by JennyMominFL

[notnowimbusy]

7 minutes ago, jaybird2 said:

lol!!  we should put you on sweet home oklahoma, my new favorite show.  you would fit right in. so funny!

I love "pumpers".   Too funny.  Vicki should have gone to see these women when Brianna was living in OKC.  She would have gotten along with them.

[jaybird2]

3 minutes ago, JennyMominFL said:

I don't know. Those republicans would eat this tree hugging liberal alive. 

the cast on this show are NOT republicans.....as a prank one of the ladies wrote proud republican in huge letters on her friends drive way

[JennyMominFL]

Just now, jaybird2 said:

the cast on this show are NOT republicans.....as a prank one of the ladies wrote proud republican in huge letters on her friends drive way

Ahh, cool.  I have all episodes on my DVR but I've been in London for 6 weeks and have not watched yet

[PumpkinPK]

1 hour ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Little miss fairy fart, ferret face absolutely gets off on drama and rather than stand back and watch she's gonna stir the pot this year. 

 

Ferret face lol.

The first season Lydia was on, a poster on the old boards always called her nutria rat and it was hilarious.  

[oakville]

Lydia knows exactly what she is doing. She is creating turmoil between Vicki & Team Tamra & Shannon. I like Peggy. Her husband is very nice & but his cars look weird.

I think there will be epic fights this season. Lydia will probably have Megan & Peggy on her side to go against Vicky & Kelly.

3 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Shannon overreacted. Shannon ALWAYS overreacts. It's obnoxious.  But Lydia didn't come over to "be a friend" she came over to stir the pot. She's a witchy bitch as Ramona would say. 

Shannon is very stressed out this season. I hope the feng shui expert makes her feel better.

David & Eddie" stay out of their shit" always make me laugh.

5 hours ago, WireWrap said:

On WWHL, Lydia claimed she was trying to say that both women, Shannon and Vicki, were hurt by things the other said/did. Both Shannon and Tamra claimed they asked Lydia to stop talking to them about Vicki numerous times and Lydia ignored their request (Lydia denies this), which made Shannon go ballistic. Lydia had just met Shannon and was out of line trying to talk to her about Vicki's point of view. I also call BS on Lydia's claim that she didn't watch the show after she left or that she didn't know about the fight between Shannon/Tamra and Vicki.

Lydia is too media savvy not to have watched every episode since she left the show.

[oakville]

3 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

I was gonna say maybe I know too many moms like her - sort of loud, crazy (in a good way) ones - that her behavior didn't seem that off to me and is sort of what you would expect and then expect the teenager to roll her eyes at her mom.  lol   It seemed really kind of typical to me.

Plus she might have been a little nervous hosting all of those people. 

Shannon was hilarious during the photo shoot. Her daughter looked lovely.

[bravofan27]

I thought the Feng Shui was hysterical. I loved the Feng shui lady, I loved Linda bragging about how the Feng shui lady said her office was the best, and the most hysterical was the story about the 9 oranges (or 7?) that would get all shriveled up. hahahaha. Though Shannon's new house isn't as homey and comfy as her old house, but that is maybe nothing Feng shui can fix.

Jimmy is good with babies. Really good. 

Do Lydia and her husband ever talk? They just seem to walk around together.

[Cheetosandchoc]

4 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Ummmmmm.............I don't think I can go that far.  She seems to always say that she's a "good person, "a good mother," "a good friend," and more...she pretends a lot.  We roll our collective eyes.

        I did consider this when I was writing my post. I think Vicky, like most people, consider themselves "good" people.(whatever that means, I always want to ask people who say this "why? What makes you good as opposed to mediocre?")I doubt she ever stopped to think about it. To her she is a good person because she isn't a murderer, or rob banks, or beat elderly people.

      Lydia seems to see her sugary sweetness as who she is. She is a friendship whisperer, she makes a big show of her Christianess, Peggy "shared her heart with her" because in her mind, Peggy must of sensed she was special. I would not be surprised if her mom made her believe she is an Indigo Child.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

[Former Nun]

I've decided I like Diko's (sp?) cars.  Although I've stopped watching this particular franchise, I did set my DVR to record the episode we've already seen.  I want to get a look at those cars again; the black and white is unique and well done.  I'm not sayin' it's for everyone.

[Cheetosandchoc]

10 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

I've decided I like Diko's (sp?) cars.  Although I've stopped watching this particular franchise, I did set my DVR to record the episode we've already seen.  I want to get a look at those cars again; the black and white is unique and well done.  I'm not sayin' it's for everyone.

       I'm not a car person but I appreciate the work put into them. I don't think I will watch much more of this franchise either. They don't have fun together.

[FozzyBear]

17 hours ago, RHofOZ said:

I thought Brianna may have decided to leave the party when she realised Lydia's mum was there too.  Brianna may have felt a little uncomfortable seeing her after what happened with Ryan a few seasons ago.

Yeah, as soon as I realized they were both there I wondered if anyone was going to say anything. I'm with you, I think Brianna would have happily had a Bravo contract required conversation with Tamara, but once she saw Lydia and Lydia's mom she took off.

Jesus, Shannon. It must be exhausting to be her. Yes, Lydia was being a little game playing bitch, but she won. Shannon lost her shit over a pretty minor comment and ended up looking crazy. Shannon is just so much work all the time. Even watching her on tv makes her tired. And for the record, I get why people claim she's yelling when she's technically not. That bug-eyed, hyper tense, zero to temper tantrum in 60 seconds thing she does is so weird and tense and combative that I think some people feel like it's yelling even when it's not. I always remember it as Shannon yelling even though I'm watching the episode and can see she's not. 

[zoeysmom]

7 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

Lydia wasn't involved in the entire Brooks/Vicki debacle.  She has no idea how Vicki misled (notice I didn't say lied) to people, used them, etc.  Lydia comes in like it was a fight over something minor.  Vicki and Tamra have been on & off for a long time, and I think Shannon fills the role in Tamra's life that Vicki used to fill.  I'm sure input from Eddie not wanting Vicki's drama anymore was part of it.   So, for Lydia to assume she could come back on, be a peacemaker, and fix everything is pretty darn egotistic of her.    When Tamra was trying to explain that their issues w/Vicki were their issues completely went over Lydia's head.  She was determined to make everything better.  Nope.  Life isn't all confetti and sparkles.   If somebody has done me wrong, I can set it aside and be cordial, but they will never be close friends or be invited back into my life.   Lydia should just hang out with Meghan.  Meghan would hang on every work Lydia has to say.  The other women are too savvy to but her fair sprinkles.

Yes it was very insightful for Lydia to figure out they weren't fighting over some comment about a dress as she said.  I am still at a loss after agreeing with Shannon that what Vicki said about David was unconscionable Lydia's take away is Shannon was crazy and needed to take crazy pills.  It only got worse when Lydia went to whine to her mom and then Tamra about Shannon-someone was making it all about herself.  Meghan wrote that Lydia went too far to begin with and then went back for more with Shannon.  Of course Meghan believes Shannon should have just walked away-she did.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-12/blogs/meghan-king-edmonds/meghan-king-edmonds-im-also 

Meghan has a lot to say about Peggy.  Meghan said it would have never crossed her mind that Peggy's cars were borrowed. 

[ShawnaLanne]

6 hours ago, Cheetosandchoc said:

        I did consider this when I was writing my post. I think Vicky, like most people, consider themselves "good" people.(whatever that means, I always want to ask people who say this "why? What makes you good as opposed to mediocre?")I doubt she ever stopped to think about it. To her she is a good person because she isn't a murderer, or rob banks, or beat elderly people.

      Lydia seems to see her sugary sweetness as who she is. She is a friendship whisperer, she makes a big show of her Christianess, Peggy "shared her heart with her" because in her mind, Peggy must of sensed she was special. I would not be surprised if her mom made her believe she is an Indigo Child.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

Oh my God! She bleeds indigo child entitled,  "specialness. "

[bagger]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Yes it was very insightful for Lydia to figure out they weren't fighting over some comment about a dress as she said.  I am still at a loss after agreeing with Shannon that what Vicki said about David was unconscionable Lydia's take away is Shannon was crazy and needed to take crazy pills.  It only got worse when Lydia went to whine to her mom and then Tamra about Shannon-someone was making it all about herself.  Meghan wrote that Lydia went too far to begin with and then went back for more with Shannon.  Of course Meghan believes Shannon should have just walked away-she did.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-12/blogs/meghan-king-edmonds/meghan-king-edmonds-im-also 

Meghan has a lot to say about Peggy.  Meghan said it would have never crossed her mind that Peggy's cars were borrowed. 

When Peggy made the comment about the "borrowed" cars I took her to mean one of two things or hell maybe she meant them both: 1) she's not like some housewives renting big homes and cars for the shooting season. She meant she's the real monied deal and/or 2) in the OC you see a lot of fake wealth, people keeping up with the joneses and living beyond their means. People who say they "own" homes and cars when they truly only lease them.

[Sai]

16 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I think Sarah personally invited some people without running it by Tamra. Brianna was one of them. Maybe they're friendly? 

 

Tamra said she did it because she didn't even want to SEE Vicki's face on SM. Which.....I get. But she could have told this to Brianna. Just a heads up - "Hey, this is nothing personal, but I think it's better for my mental health if I don't have any connections to Vicki on SM. If you ever want to just talk about other things, though, you can text me." I don't know. It is an awkward situation. 

I can see why Tamra would pull away from Brianna.  Tamra's had some serious stuff with her daughter.  I feel like even though she's upset with Vicki that she doesn't want to be the one to drive a wedge between Mother and Daughter because she knows exactly how terrible it feels.  But you're right, she definitely should have explained herself to Brianna.  I'm sure Brianna would have understood.

[Mu Shu]

9 hours ago, PumpkinPK said:

Ferret face lol.

The first season Lydia was on, a poster on the old boards always called her nutria rat and it was hilarious.  

I did that.  And now I really want my god damned money.  Coined a phrase and all.

[PumpkinPK]

2 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

I did that.  And now I really want my god damned money.  Coined a phrase and all.

A really memorable one at that!  All these years and a new board later, and that's the first thing I thought of when I saw her this season!

[Mu Shu]

40 minutes ago, bagger said:

When Peggy made the comment about the "borrowed" cars I took her to mean one of two things or hell maybe she meant them both: 1) she's not like some housewives renting big homes and cars for the shooting season. She meant she's the real monied deal and/or 2) in the OC you see a lot of fake wealth, people keeping up with the joneses and living beyond their means. People who say they "own" homes and cars when they truly only lease them.

I thought it may have been a dig at the Bellinos and Wretched and Slimey.  

Heather wouldn't have needed to defend her wealth, she oozes class and privilege.  I see you Peggy.  And your little husband Igor.   

I want me real rich lady back in all Her sly, snotty glory. 

[Ubiquitous]

15 hours ago, WordsWordsWords said:

The first thing I said when I say that black-and-white car: That's just tacky. When I saw all the others: Massive eye-roll. Apparently Mr. Moneybags, whose name I don't remember at this point, thinks that's a cool colour scheme. One of us is sadly misguided. Re: all the diamonds - conspicuous consumption is conspicuous. *sigh*

Yeah, I had a similar reaction to those ugly cars, then when Dicko turned out to be the newest housewife's husband, I just laughed.

14 hours ago, jaybird2 said:

wasn't there an issue with her brother/uncle and some sort of sex scandal (in canada) and that is why she didn't return?

Yes, there was speculation about Lydia not wanting her pedophile brother being aired.

14 hours ago, TexasGal said:

I was watching distracted, but I thought Lydia's husband had told her Peggy had had a vasectomy and I was like - huh?  What a bozo!  <sigh>

If memory serves, Lydia's husband told her to lay off on hugging Peggy because she was recovering from surgery.

13 hours ago, Sai said:

I like Vicki also.  I don't adore her but I do like her.  She's funny.

I used to, but no longer.

11 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Back to writing really stupid things-Vicki in going all in defending Lydia wrote the following: http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-12/blogs/vicki-gunvalson/vicki-gunvalson-i-was-proud-of

    ". . . .the problem is they think it is okay to talk negatively about me, but no one can say anything negatively about them."

And this is one reason I no longer like Vicki. Project much, Vicki?

[FamilyVan]

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If Lydia were serious about helping them she should of at least established a relationship with Shannon. When she saw how upset Shannon was she should of retreated and let Shannon speak her peace and acknowledged how hurt she was. She didn't even let Shannon tell her side, and it shouldn't of been done at a party. It was a crappy thing to do.

Friendship Whisper Fail.  I saw Lydia in this scene as smirking and being a shit-stirrer.  Didn't go over to well for me.

 

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Both Shannon and Tamra claimed they asked Lydia to stop talking to them about Vicki numerous times and Lydia ignored their request (Lydia denies this),

Actually, she didn't really DENY it.  Denying it would be saying  "I did not say that".  That's not what Lydia did, what she did say was: "Was that shown on camera?", and "I am confused what Tamra is talking about", meaning if the footage did not air, it cannot be proven.  I see the game Lydia is playing.  I liked her during her first season on because she called Slade a douche, so that earned her points, but I don't like her so far this season, she seems sneaky and playing instigator.  Not cool.

She and Vicki were hard to watch on WWHL.  They are both so unlikable. 

Edited July 19, 2017 by FamilyVan

[FamilyVan]

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First, let me set the record straight. I’m not obsessed with Shannon (or Tamra for that matter) and the problem is they think it’s ok to talk negatively about me, but no one can say anything negatively about them.

This sentence right here ^^^ illustrates what is inherently wrong with Vicki.

Stage A) Vicki did something terrible, she backed up her cancer scamming boyfriend, lied for him and tried to validate and cover up his scam.  In her fervor to make this right for him, she herself became part of the scam. Then in trying to rehab her image, she actually DID her own horrible scam with her insurance company.  She never fell on her sword about this, and never apologized.

Stage B) People did not like this, and spoke badly of it, and talked bad about Vicki, and said unfavorable things about her actions.

This is where it should have ended, if Vicki were contrite and took responsibility for what she did, showed humility and apologized.  But instead in went to...

Stage C) Vicki in return, spoke badly of them, exposed secrets, exaggerated stories to make them look bad, and made fun of their husbands.  This was like a second attack, doubling down on the previous terrible things she had done.

Vicki thinks that since negative things were said about her at stage B, it was ok to "hit back" and say negative things about them.  In her mind all of this is evenly weighted, and she did the same thing to them they did to her, transgression for transgression.  Then the rationale becomes hey we all said negative things to each other let's move on and forget it all.  It does not work this way.  If I were Tamra I would never be "friends", or co-workers that get along, or whatever they used to be, ever again.  Same for Shannon.  Trying to stay on this show all together is a bad idea.  They don't ever want to hang out.  It can't work - it's not good TV.

[VedaPierce]

Count me in as thinking Vickie moving is fake. I think she's actually downsizing. She used to have a pretty big staff that she would spank and treat to Botox parties and act very inappropriately with. Her office scenes used to remind me of a bunch of stock broker shenanigans in the 80s. Now she just seems sad. Mopey. I don't believe for one second her business is thriving. Show me the receipts!! Next she'll be moving back into her home office for some made-up reason. 

[VedaPierce]

On July 18, 2017 at 8:29 AM, FamilyVan said:

Yes I thought the same - in her TH saw was all like "I'm so glad Peggy could open up her heart to me and trust me", ummm you asked her about it and she clearly seemed uncomfortable answering.

I just wish Shannon had more control over how emotional she gets and her reactions.  Would have been great if she could just be like "Me? Like Vicki? I am nothing like Vicki!  Ha ha! Once you get to know me better you will see I am nothing like her", then make a you don't know what you are talking about face and shake her head in disbelief, walk away.  

I know! Be cool shannon! Make a joke! Like "ummm, I have more in common with Stalin than Vickie". Then laugh it off, she takes everything so personally. If she just met Lydia, why in the world would she so easily be reduced to tears??? And I have no words about her throwing a plate in that restaurant. Holy crap! And she dares to pass judgement on Kelly's behavior in the Japanese restaurant?? Lol lol lol! I think she actually has more in common with Kelly than Vickie. Let someone tell her THAT, and watch her head explode! Lol

Lydia was very clumsy in bringing up issues to get the stories going. Almost reminded me of Heather's fake "So should we go to Ireland???" Last season. This is why I never forget that I'm not watching real friends, but am actually watching lady wrestlers. 

Edited July 19, 2017 by VedaPierce

[VedaPierce]

On July 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, RHofOZ said:

I thought Brianna may have decided to leave the party when she realised Lydia's mum was there too.  Brianna may have felt a little uncomfortable seeing her after what happened with Ryan a few seasons ago.

Great observation! For sure. Brianna's embarrassed as well she should be. Instead of apologizing, she doubled down on her neanderthal's behavior. She can deny publicly that Ryan did nothing wrong, but in her heart she knows his behavior was disgusting. 

[zoeysmom]

38 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

This sentence right here ^^^ illustrates what is inherently wrong with Vicki.

Stage A) Vicki did something terrible, she backed up her cancer scamming boyfriend, lied for him and tried to validate and cover up his scam.  In her fervor to make this right for him, she herself became part of the scam. Then in trying to rehab her image, she actually DID her own horrible scam with her insurance company.  She never fell on her sword about this, and never apologized.

Stage B) People did not like this, and spoke badly of it, and talked bad about Vicki, and said unfavorable things about her actions.

This is where it should have ended, if Vicki were contrite and took responsibility for what she did, showed humility and apologized.  But instead in went to...

Stage C) Vicki in return, spoke badly of them, exposed secrets, exaggerated stories to make them look bad, and made fun of their husbands.  This was like a second attack, doubling down on the previous terrible things she had done.

Vicki thinks that since negative things were said about her at stage B, it was ok to "hit back" and say negative things about them.  In her mind all of this is evenly weighted, and she did the same thing to them they did to her, transgression for transgression.  Then the rationale becomes hey we all said negative things to each other let's move on and forget it all.  It does not work this way.  If I were Tamra I would never be "friends", or co-workers that get along, or whatever they used to be, ever again.  Same for Shannon.  Trying to stay on this show all together is a bad idea.  They don't ever want to hang out.  It can't work - it's not good TV.

What I thought was rather humorous about Vicki's comment is the negative comments about Shannon  were that she was like Vicki.

20 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Count me in as thinking Vickie moving is fake. I think she's actually downsizing. She used to have a pretty big staff that she would spank and treat to Botox parties and act very inappropriately with. Her office scenes used to remind me of a bunch of stock broker shenanigans in the 80s. Now she just seems sad. Mopey. I don't believe for one second her business is thriving. Show me the receipts!! Next she'll be moving back into her home office for some made-up reason. 

Vicki said she now has a partner-on the Coto website there are four people-Vicki, her son, the woman we saw (I guess that is her partner) and another woman who is a casualty/property sales person.  I have no idea why it would take Vicki more than a weekend to move.  Four offices, a sitting area, a conference room, file storage and a couple of bathrooms and a break room.  I would think like every other office they would hire big strong people to move the cabinets-and if they can't do that move them drawer by drawer. Vicki's old office was 1,800 square feet and she sub let part of it.  I smell Vicki did not have a storyline.  At long last focusing on her office.

Vicki staff was a bunch of people who paid money to get a license and then were on their own to get clients.  Needless to say they all bailed.  She use to write  blogs about how they were up to 800 agents and growing.  Another Vicki scam down the drain.

Edited July 19, 2017 by zoeysmom

[Cherrio]

I think its ok to post this because it involves Vicki's continuing storyline.

There are certain things a person can do that may never be forgiven. There are lines crossed that you cannot just apologize and expect people to forgiven and go on being a friend.

For me, I would never ever forgive a person for a cancer scam. It cross THAT line, a huge line for me.

Same goes for someone who say......lies about a rape or a rape accusation.

So, Bravo fires Phaedra from Atl quickly,

WHY NOT VICKI?