S09.E13: A Bronx Tale

[film noire]

6 minutes ago, Lemons said:

I feel bad for her and hope she finds someone she loves and who loves her back. 

Her confessional about her father was so sad -- she clearly feels all kind of unresolved guilt for how she treated him -- and even though I like her on the show (and didn't think I would) this may not be the best place for her to find mental health (to say the least ; )  

Edited June 30, 2017 by film noire

[lunastartron]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

 

Life lessons for Tinsley from this table of wise women:

"When they put the "staples" in your head, come from a place of Yes."

"Don't be all, like, uncool just because he beat you."

"At least he made it nice before he busted up the Land Rover."

"There was no chaos at his house."

"You're making a mountain out of a hole mill."

"Lavender spray is soothing. Just don't eat it."

 

 

When you feel like crying about that time your most recent boyfriend sent you to the hospital, STOP RIGHT THERE.

When you want to say that getting body slammed in front of neighbors haunts you, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. 

Remember, people have a right to protect themselves from your trauma. 

Cranial lacerations, c'est la vie. C'est bone, c'est bone. 

Cracked skulls can bring you down, so it's best to brush them off. 

I regret the "abuse" I used but you need to realize what you bring out in people and it's not just in me. 

Edited June 30, 2017 by lunastartron

[motorcitymom65]

7 hours ago, jennylauren123 said:

I tell my friends to feel free, please, please! to go "boom-boom" in one of my other three bathrooms. No one needs to smell that at the dining table! And no, my house isn't large, it just oddly has 3.5 baths!

I love that. And of course we don't know anything about the set up of the house and the bathrooms, except that Lu said the bathroom for her room was down the hall. So it wasn't like someone shuffled through her room to get there. 

7 hours ago, MerryMary said:

I'm liking Carole this season which is an amazing turn around for me.  I really want to like Luanne (I loved how Bethenny told her off and she gave zero f's about it) but damn, I hate it when she brings up the class thing.  Reading between the lines, I could tell she didn't want to leave Tom and his galloping testosterone to go to Vermont.  Dorinda, for the most part, is a happy drunk.  Sonja is a mean drunk and it's hard to watch.  I feel badly for Tinsley.  She's still traumatized and these chicks have zero compassion with their, "We've all been there."  Part of recovering from trauma is feeling that you've been heard so the helpless feeling goes away.  Ramona is ridiculous and boring.

It's intersting, because I feel it is just the opposite. I think Dorinda is a mean drunk (although she can be hysterically funny at the same time), while Sonja is mostly a happy drunk. 

[film noire]

7 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Cranial lacerations, c'est la vie. C'est bone, c'est bone. 

Perfect!

12 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

It's interesting, because I feel it is just the opposite. I think Dorinda is a mean drunk (although she can be hysterically funny at the same time)

I agree, she's a mean drunk  -- even when she's being drunk-funny, it's coming from a mean drunk, not a happy intoxication -- the booze makes her dark and biting, not happy and charming.

[Martinigirl]

She doesn't want the help in her bathroom but bangs the pirate help. In her delusional mind she actually believes she slept with the real Johnny Depp.

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, BBHN said:

This is the Countess, proper English only, please.

Temporary could just mean it might last longer than she thought, but she still doesn't see them still together in 10 years. I think she knows this relationship has an expiry date.

Yes, and thank you. I've never heard her be anything less than honest about the fact that she has zero idea where this relationship is headed and how long it might last. But she clearly doesn't think it will last forever. She has always seemed to be taking it one day at a time. I know others might not agree, but they seem to have the most honest and healthy relationship among the group (not that there are many relationships in this group). I would say that Dorinda is equally honest about her relationship, but it doesn't seem as healthy all the time, because often it has seemed as if Dorinda cannot stand John. 

[Lemons]

26 minutes ago, film noire said:

Her confessional about her father was so sad -- she clearly feels all kind of unresolved guilt for how she treated him -- and even though I like her on the show (and didn't think I would) this may not be the best place for her to find mental health (to say the least ; )  

These women aren't the best role models.  They all love fame, money and whatever man can bring it to them. I can imagine it's hard to be over 40 and thinking you might like a family to settle down with. 

[film noire]

8 minutes ago, Lemons said:

These women aren't the best role models.  

Lemons, I think you just said something everybody can agree on -- it's a banner night! -- in your honor, lemon drops are being served ;)

Edited June 30, 2017 by film noire

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, BBHN said:

They all do, they're all on reality TV shows. It will become public no matter what.

Well, I thought it was a messy relationship. To say the least.

If that relationship wasn't the definition of "messy", I am not sure what relatioship is. 

[Avon.Blakes7]

4 minutes ago, film noire said:

Lemons, I think you just said something everybody can agree on -- it's a banner night! -- in your honor, lemon drops are being served ;)

I've never made a habit of ordering or drinking these types of drinks, but I did have an assignment in Austin TX many years ago and I had one for the HELL of it! Of course it's twice as much as any other drink; also gave 1 to a dancer at the club! ;-)

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Luann, Sonya, and Ramona share men but are uptight about sharing rooms. ?

Sonja and Ramona share rooms all the time.  I do not recall, unless it was the Berkshires, Luann ever sharing a room.

[Martinigirl]

I'm really, really loving Dorinda....esp when that butterball is out of the picture

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Nope.  Right there with ya.  I even offer them a snack ON MY OWN PLATES and they can sit in my house!  People are people and the sooner we stop thinking of others as 'less than' the better.  Think about this Luann.  When you are at a restaurant, the staff use the same bathroom you take boys to fuck.  

Ok, so this is the best thing I have ever read on this forum. You totally rock the casbah. 

[TheMole]

23 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Sonja: Maybe she'll forget. Is she drinking yet?

She always drank. She toned it down for sure for a while but she's back drinking the way she used to now. She was seen already drinking several times on camera. Her drunken behavior has been atrocious behind the scenes. And she will pay for it at the reunion.

Ramona is going to eat her words about not being interested in Tipsy Girl at the reunion. She was very interested. Right up until the month Sonja launched it. 

Dorinda was telling the truth, Peter did approach her. She's doing her own thing, she wanted nothing to do with it. But I think Sonja doesn't know the truth about Peter. I see the restaurant had a soft opening but Sonja was in London and hasn't mentioned it. If John was interested I wouldn't be surprised. He is friends with Peter for 20 years.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Am I the only one who thought Lu's bedroom thing was really one of those "let me do something outrageous for reality TV?"  It just didn't feel authentic like Ramona bitching about the room.

One thing that struck me during this episode is how fucking good Lu looks.  Her and Dorinda I'm sure have had botox and fillers, but their faces look relatively untouched.  Dorinda isn't a beauty without make-up, but when she's dressed and made up, she can really look smashing.  Lu has great cheekbones and she looked very elegant again to me (she's had a lot of hit or misses lately).  Sonja has been looking really sloppy lately and not her usual attractiveness.  Carole's face was channeling Mama Elsa's again.  Beth's face looks too tight, but I looks great in the talking head with the pink outfit.

I did chuckle at Beth's safari comment about Carole.  And appreciated that Carole laughed it off.  I do believe they are good friends off air now.  

And can we get one show where Beth doesn't say something vulgar when she doesn't have to?  I think she's hilarious and I'm no prude but I think she goes to shock value too often and she's gone too often to that well.

I think she was ticked she got stuck in the basement and had a bathroom that was not private.  It is not as if she could come out and say, "the rider in my contract clearly state private room, private bath."  Just as Dorinda claimed she would send a Uber to pick up her bags when it was actually production.  Fourth wall stuff.

A couple of days ago a Bravo producer gave an interview about the difference between RHONYC/RHOBH and how they like there rooming situations.  BH likes separate suites, NYC likes a big house.  Today there is another story and it is all about RHONYC and the picking of rooms-a history with flashbacks and never before seen confessionals.  So I do think the room thing is production driven and it is time to retire it.  I believe next week they go to the Punta Mita, to a lovely ocean side estate where we saw RHOBH vacation for a weekend.  IIRC there are two rooms with king size beds and four rooms with two beds, more bathrooms than bedrooms and there is staff on the premises.   http://www.theagencyre.com/vacation-rentals/cuixa-del-mar-punta-mita-mexico/  I am guessing there are designated bathrooms for the staff.

[motorcitymom65]

17 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think she was ticked she got stuck in the basement and had a bathroom that was not private.  It is not as if she could come out and say, "the rider in my contract clearly state private room, private bath."  Just as Dorinda claimed she would send a Uber to pick up her bags when it was actually production.  Fourth wall stuff.

 

But why say anything at all? It's not like her only two choices were to be a bitch or to break the fourth wall. There was another option somewhere in the middle. This is assuming there is some type of a rider in her contract. If that is the case, and production is so in control of all that goes on, then why not make sure she got the room that was stipulated in her contact? 

[film noire]

13 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

BH likes separate suites, NYC likes a big house. 

I find this fascinating --is  there more chemistry for NYC in a big house? Does it film more quickly (get them in a room, get them sloshed, shooting day done?) Or does it give them more privacy in their bedrooms (since the drunk stuff always happens in the common room in the house)? Or is is just a New Yorker's hatred of commuting -- this way, they get to roll out of bed and right into shooting breakfast.

2 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

But why say anything at all? It's not like her only two choices were to be a bitch or to break the fourth wall. There was another option somewhere in the middle. This is assuming there is some type of a rider in her contract. If that is the case, and production is so in control of all that goes on, then why not make sure she got the room that was stipulated in her contact? 

And why use the marriage excuse on camera-- wtf? -- is it some kind of traditional gift in the ancient village of Dagostino, given to older brides ("Madon, unto you a child will not be born, so you get the best bedroom!")

[Former Nun]

4 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Am I the only slob who's let a repairman use her bathroom?

Slob #2 here...in Arizona.  I not only "let" workers use my one and only small bathroom, I mention it as soon as they arrive for whatever job they're doing.  It seems demeaning for someone to be working hard (usually outside) and then have to "beg" for permission.  In our area we have lots of Mexican workers who are treated badly and I'm not going to add to their sorrows.   When my boys were little (maybe 6 and 8) and I was married, we had a yardman in his 60s.  Every summer he'd have a teenage boy as a helper.  When they finished with the work all five of us sat on the patio and had lemonade.  When my husband dumped us and we were able to stay in that house for three months, I told the yard guy I couldn't afford him anymore--that I'd mow the yard.  He told me my husband had always been a jerk and he would MOW OUR LAWN for no pay until I was able to sell the house!  I still get tears when I tell that story.

[RedheadZombie]

3 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Slob #2 here...in Arizona.  I not only "let" workers use my one and only small bathroom, I mention it as soon as they arrive for whatever job they're doing.  It seems demeaning for someone to be working hard (usually outside) and then have to "beg" for permission.  In our area we have lots of Mexican workers who are treated badly and I'm not going to add to their sorrows.   When my boys were little (maybe 6 and 8) and I was married, we had a yardman in his 60s.  Every summer he'd have a teenage boy as a helper.  When they finished with the work all five of us sat on the patio and had lemonade.  When my husband dumped us and we were able to stay in that house for three months, I told the yard guy I couldn't afford him anymore--that I'd mow the yard.  He told me my husband had always been a jerk and he would MOW OUR LAWN for no pay until I was able to sell the house!  I still get tears when I tell that story.

You are my kind of person!

[Former Nun]

1 minute ago, RedheadZombie said:

You are my kind of person!

Sniff, sniff...

[zoeysmom]

22 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

But why say anything at all? It's not like her only two choices were to be a bitch or to break the fourth wall. There was another option somewhere in the middle. This is assuming there is some type of a rider in her contract. If that is the case, and production is so in control of all that goes on, then why not make sure she got the room that was stipulated in her contact? 

I have previously expressed that perhaps Luann was putting everyone on notice the chef was using her bathroom so one of these overly curious women would not try and make it seem as if Luann had a man in her designated area and was messing around on Tom.  The idea of Luann messing around on Tom would fit the narrative that Tom and Luann have an open relationship.  In one of the first episodes this season, Rmaona claimed Luann was trying to hook up with a younger guy down in Palm Beach. Also, the producers love to have discord in the housing-as I indicated in the two stories Bravo ran in the past week.

Now for something new-  http://tamaratattles.com/2017/02/01/a-tiny-bit-of-rhony-filming-tea-skiing-in-stratton/  It seems from this article the Vermont ski trip was filmed after Jason's arrest which might explain Bethenny's reaction to Tinsley.  It would have been just three days after his arrest.  So there is some pretty master manipulation of timelines going on with production.

[Lemons]

1 hour ago, film noire said:

Lemons, I think you just said something everybody can agree on -- it's a banner night! -- in your honor, lemon drops are being served ;)

I hope so!  I don't have any hate for any of them but I wouldn't look to any of them for inspiration. 

[sasha206]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Sonja and Ramona share rooms all the time.  I do not recall, unless it was the Berkshires, Luann ever sharing a room.

Right!  It's their thing.  And the two of them together on vacation can be a hoot. The "Take a Xanax" version of Ramona I loved.  They were Lucy and Ethel on that roadtrip.

[howiveaddict]

10 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Not that Lu isn't ridiculous but I can't imagine a house that size with the bedrooms upstairs and one in the basement didn't have at least a powder room on the main leve

Lu said it was down the hall.    

Dear Lu, Remember the last time "The Help" was not allowed to use the restroom?  I wouldn't eat any special chocolate pie the chef might make you.

Tinsley's clothing reminds me of Bette Davis in Whatever Happend to Baby Jane.

[breezy424]

20 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I have previously expressed that perhaps Luann was putting everyone on notice the chef was using her bathroom so one of these overly curious women would not try and make it seem as if Luann had a man in her designated area and was messing around on Tom.  The idea of Luann messing around on Tom would fit the narrative that Tom and Luann have an open relationship.  In one of the first episodes this season, Rmaona claimed Luann was trying to hook up with a younger guy down in Palm Beach. Also, the producers love to have discord in the housing-as I indicated in the two stories Bravo ran in the past week.

Now for something new-  http://tamaratattles.com/2017/02/01/a-tiny-bit-of-rhony-filming-tea-skiing-in-stratton/  It seems from this article the Vermont ski trip was filmed after Jason's arrest which might explain Bethenny's reaction to Tinsley.  It would have been just three days after his arrest.  So there is some pretty master manipulation of timelines going on with production.

I can't help not mentioning the writer states that Beth 'drug Carole'.  That would be 'dragged'.

From the preview for next week, we have Carole reading that Jason Hoppy was arrested.  I wonder if that was a reenactment.

On another note, I get that Lu was a bit pissed about having a room with the bathroom down the hall.  The whole I just got married and I should have been given more consideration was just...really?  I do think there was probably a powder room on the first floor but maybe whoever used the downstairs bathroom was probably trying to be discreet.  And BTW, who knows if it was the chef or crew, unless Lu saw them.  It could have been a production person.  They have to 'go' too.

[TheMole]

3 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I can't help not mentioning the writer states that Beth 'drug Carole'.  That would be 'dragged'.

From the preview for next week, we have Carole reading that Jason Hoppy was arrested.  I wonder if that was a reenactment.

On another note, I get that Lu was a bit pissed about having a room with the bathroom down the hall.  The whole I just got married and I should have been given more consideration was just...really?  I do think there was probably a powder room on the first floor but maybe whoever used the downstairs bathroom was probably trying to be discreet.  And BTW, who knows if it was the chef or crew, unless Lu saw them.  It could have been a production person.  They have to 'go' too.

It was probably a producer prompt with Carole. They have to lead into it. So they set it up and the rest usually flows naturally, reactions, etc.

Lu might have had legitimate reasons for wanting that bathroom to herself apart from being snobby.

[the killer]

4 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I can't help not mentioning the writer states that Beth 'drug Carole'.  That would be 'dragged'.

I think that was an auto-correct error. You see Carole and drugs just go together.

[breezy424]

3 minutes ago, the killer said:

I think that was an auto-correct error. You see Carole and drugs just go together.

You're bad.... :)

4 minutes ago, TheMole said:

It was probably a producer prompt with Carole. They have to lead into it. So they set it up and the rest usually flows naturally, reactions, etc.

Lu might have had legitimate reasons for wanting that bathroom to herself apart from being snobby.

I think she just wanted to have all her 'stuff' set out on the counters without having to worry about someone just coming in and being nosy.  In a way I don't blame her.  Everyone else got a en suite.  Again, her reasoning for 'deserving' a better room was over the top.

[Happy Camper]

On 6/28/2017 at 9:50 PM, Martinigirl said:

OMG! Luann just surpassed Ramona! Bridal suite. 

I didn't invite you to the wedding but you should know better and give me the best room. I JUST GOT MARRIED! 

WTF???????????

I am not interested in attending your wedding but I cannot believe that you would not send me an invitation!!

Even Steven.

[diadochokinesis]

8 hours ago, BBHN said:

What? Bad enough it's "only" six bedrooms, but the help might not even be on site? Damn, how will Ramona make it through the weekend...

 

Who is going to unpack Ramona's bags for her????  OMG, is this going to be the first time in RHNY history that Ramona will unpack her own bags?

7 hours ago, ghoulina said:

She'll just demand Carole serve her, like she did when she first arrived. 

Carole is a better person than me.  I would have just looked at her and said, "No. You want it, you go get it. I'm not your servant." I don't take that from my 5-year-old. 

6 hours ago, Lemons said:

I'm surprised people see this as an insult and not the funny comment it was meant to be.     Maybe because my life is people making these type of comments all the time, nothing said is shocking g to me.  Everyone thinks they're a comedian.  Carole got it, it wasn't an insult. It was Bethany's very VERY dry sense of humor. 

I didn't take it as an insult either. I have that same sense of humor and while I have a couple of friends who can't take it, most of mine do. I've had friends say that they enjoyed it because they know they can crack on me too. Hell, one of my friends joked with me once that I was dressed like a watermelon (green pants, white top, pink cardigan) and I laughed hilariously. It is just their type of friendship.  Just because it doesn't work for one person doesn't mean it doesn't work for them. 

[LNDNgirl]

Gotta admit, I usually have second hand embarrassment for Dorinda when she's having one of her drunken tirades.  Mainly because, as someone mentioned previously, she goes for the LOW blow when she's hammered. I've often wondered if she doesn't feel embarrassed when she watches the episodes, and vow to stop or limit her drinking while filming, but I'm guess that answer's a no.

Confession: I did love her EZ pass/Holland Tunnel comment to Sonja though...lol.

 

I do find Dorinda as rational for the most part and amusing at times.  There is a trait that I don't care for though.  In addition to mentioning that Sonja was a hostess,  she mentioned giving her ticket to Sonja so Sonja can go go get her coat (a FUR no less) from the coat check.  Coupled with a couple incidents from her past seasons (calling the Black restaurant customer over to her table to give him her coat to hang up, and putting a $5 dollar bill in a coffee cup that a man in a wheelchair was holding even though he was a lawyer), she leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  She herself didn't come from money, but she seems to have a condescending attitude towards others she deems below her.

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

Although I did not watch the episode I did catch a bit where Luann leads the others in applauding the chef for the good food, so maybe she got a secret helping of humble pie somewhere. Or maybe she realized he might have overheard her and wanted to atone.

My first and always thought w/regard to her snipping about "the help" is, "Dickweed, you're a practical nurse; you were trained to wipe people's bottoms. You WERE 'The Help' and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, 'The Help' here and now is feeding your other end, so shut up right this second."

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

22 minutes ago, LNDNgirl said:

She herself didn't come from money, but she seems to have a condescending attitude towards others she deems below her.

So glad you mention this. One of the reasons I've never been able to dislike her, was her telling of the story how her dad was going to use the back door on his visit to Bluestone after she and Richard bought it. He was used to using that entrance as a construction guy (electrician?) who always had had to enter the property that way.  Her voice turned gentle as she remembered how she told him, "No, Dad, you come in front door now! This is my house."

I've only read about her assuming a black fella was a servant but I've no reason to disbelieve all the reports.

So who is Doris? The local-made-good who dotes on her blue-collar family -- or a snobbish elitist?

i guess the two aren't mutually exclusive.

[VagueDisclaimer]

22 hours ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

The way they talk, you'd think they needed passports to go have lunch there! 

Such s Manhattan-ite attitude, though, so I'm unsurprised. To them, Brooklyn is practically New Jersey!

[film noire]

3 hours ago, Former Nun said:

He told me my husband had always been a jerk and he would MOW OUR LAWN for no pay until I was able to sell the house!  I still get tears when I tell that story.

I can see why -- what a lovely moment for you both, Former Nun.

[zoeysmom]

10 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Slob #2 here...in Arizona.  I not only "let" workers use my one and only small bathroom, I mention it as soon as they arrive for whatever job they're doing.  It seems demeaning for someone to be working hard (usually outside) and then have to "beg" for permission.  In our area we have lots of Mexican workers who are treated badly and I'm not going to add to their sorrows.   When my boys were little (maybe 6 and 8) and I was married, we had a yardman in his 60s.  Every summer he'd have a teenage boy as a helper.  When they finished with the work all five of us sat on the patio and had lemonade.  When my husband dumped us and we were able to stay in that house for three months, I told the yard guy I couldn't afford him anymore--that I'd mow the yard.  He told me my husband had always been a jerk and he would MOW OUR LAWN for no pay until I was able to sell the house!  I still get tears when I tell that story.

Luann never refused to let anyone use the bathroom and here is the clip where she said she thought she saw on the chef's using the restroom:  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-9/episode-13/videos/luann-isnt-happy-with-the-room  She did stupidly mention she was married, and she was returning from Palm Beach and her honeymoon.  Bethenny and Carole ran with some comments in their confessionals. 

It is unfair to saddle someone with others treatment of their workers.  Even Luann.  This was about her not liking her room, not a statement on the rights of hired staff.

Edited June 30, 2017 by zoeysmom

[zulualpha]

I predict Luann is going to kick everyone's ass on the ski slope. She lived in Switzerland on a mountain as a young wife/mother IIRC and skied all the time. She's probably got a killer outfit too. As for the rest of them who knows.

Bethany has as someone upstream said a very dry sense of humor but also at times a flat humorless affect and harsh delivery. It can be off putting to say the least. Last week Fredrick was telling her to get rid of the bar in the apartment she was selling implied it was ugly and suggested it would be okay if the thing broke. Bethany turned to him and cussed him out telling him to fuck right off etc. She did this with no smile or twinkle in her eye and it came off to me as super aggressive and rude. Fredrik just let it slide off his back. Tinsley may not be used to Bethany yet so she may have been upset or offended by her.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 6/28/2017 at 10:12 PM, Otherkate said:

I will be laughing about Dorinda FORGETTING HER FREAKING BELONGINGS AND DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO VERMONT for weeks. WEEKS. And because John gave it to her too good. HILARIOUS. 

Favorite episode of this season for me. 

I can't believe no one has mentioned Ramona and the Evian versus Mountain Water. I laughed my ASS off in that scene! Pure diva gold, gosh that was FUNNY fake it til ya make it ! 

On 6/28/2017 at 10:35 PM, Duke2801 said:

 

And speaking of Lu's wedding.... Oy enough already already, woman. Her line of thinking that she should get the nicest room because she's a newlywed was absurd! I was actually laughing at Bethennys TH response about it. 

 

Lu needs to get over herself. The wedding was NY Eve and this was filmed a month later in the final days of January.  

18 hours ago, Ki-in said:

From Vulture: Then Bethenny starts picking on the outfits that everyone wears. She accuses Carole of dressing for a safari, but what was this excursion except a safari to gawk and gape at the authentic white people that the Bronx is so well known for? She also makes fun of Tinsley for dressing like she’s going to lunch, but as Tinz points out, the ladies are going out to lunch and this is how she dresses for such an occasion. Don’t harsh Tinz for just being herself, out-of-date curled hair and all. Meanwhile, just look at what Bethenny is wearing. It’s some faux-fur green-and-black vest thing that surely cost upwards of $500. And it isn’t even that cute. She looks like the only woman ever admitted to the Night’s Watch. She is the sword in the darkness, the watcher on the walls, the bitch who screams at everyone at her own luncheon.

Bethennys outfit screamed for attention and in all that dark color ? You are not Marissa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny, Bethenny. Lotta nerve to criciticize everyone for not fitting in. Also she should not have turned Tins physical abuse flashbacks into something about herself and her divorce. 

Attention whore. Hairy apres ski outfit boots in the house? everywhere and everything is a stage for Beth. Including her SG snowboard. Also Carole needs to stop sitting on kitchen counters with fucking shoes on (I believe ) no less ! 

[LIMOM]

5 hours ago, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

Although I did not watch the episode I did catch a bit where Luann leads the others in applauding the chef for the good food, so maybe she got a secret helping of humble pie somewhere. Or maybe she realized he might have overheard her and wanted to atone.

My first and always thought w/regard to her snipping about "the help" is, "Dickweed, you're a practical nurse; you were trained to wipe people's bottoms. You WERE 'The Help' and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, 'The Help' here and now is feeding your other end, so shut up right this second."

Yes, it comes from insecurities. I bet you the count ragged on her humble origins. And now, here she is, acting up.

It is quite ugly.

They all do it from time to time. Snobbish for no good reasons.

[ShawnaLanne]

6 hours ago, TheMole said:

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Lu might have had legitimate reasons for wanting that bathroom to herself apart from being snobby.

Someone mentioned upthread that given her history and that she's now a married lady,  Sadie, Sadie!, she should be nervous of rumors, which is legit. 

[LIMOM]

15 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Over in the Bethenny and Jason thread some people are trying to make the case that Bethenny is using her influence to have Jason prosecuted. Tinsley's ex's family legitimately has the means and influence to make that happen. Nico Fanjul's family has billions of dollars and supply like 40% of the US sugar. The police had come to Nico's place a number of times. They'd find Tinsley crying, bloody, and bruised. She never pressed charges. I think with the last incident Nico's mom put her foot down and was adamant that Nico cut Tinsley out of his life. After that, his mother ran a whisper campaign so that anyone who knew anyone thought that Tinsley was an unstable famewhore. Tinsley destroyed her marriage for fame. She had that terrible reality show where she hung out with a racist socialite and a thieving scenester. In that way, Nico's mom was able to recast the various police calls and Tinsley's arrest as the last desperate actions of a dangerous mentally ill woman who would stop at nothing to be famous. But yeah, Nico repeatedly beat the shit out of Tinsley.

Wow. Well. Whomever gets involved with that dude, knows what's up.

2 hours ago, zulualpha said:

I predict Luann is going to kick everyone's ass on the ski slope. She lived in Switzerland on a mountain as a young wife/mother IIRC and skied all the time. She's probably got a killer outfit too. As for the rest of them who knows.

Bethany has as someone upstream said a very dry sense of humor but also at times a flat humorless affect and harsh delivery. It can be off putting to say the least. Last week Fredrick was telling her to get rid of the bar in the apartment she was selling implied it was ugly and suggested it would be okay if the thing broke. Bethany turned to him and cussed him out telling him to fuck right off etc. She did this with no smile or twinkle in her eye and it came off to me as super aggressive and rude. Fredrik just let it slide off his back. Tinsley may not be used to Bethany yet so she may have been upset or offended by her.

On wwhl, Frederick let it all out. I don't see this partnership lasting very long.

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And that's what I'm saying.  It wasn't 'just messy'.  It was much more than that.  

Yes, things can become public but in regards to Beth, she has no problem talking about her torture.  She thrives on it. Many of them don't. 

Messy can cover a broad range.

None of them have any problems talking about their issues. They all discuss it at various points. I don't see Bethenny thriving on it.

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I think she was ticked she got stuck in the basement and had a bathroom that was not private.

Well, I guess the lesson is, don't be the last one to arrive?

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But why say anything at all? It's not like her only two choices were to be a bitch or to break the fourth wall. There was another option somewhere in the middle. This is assuming there is some type of a rider in her contract. If that is the case, and production is so in control of all that goes on, then why not make sure she got the room that was stipulated in her contact? 

Yeah, it sounds like more Countess driven issue than production driven issue.

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Yes, it comes from insecurities. I bet you the count ragged on her humble origins. And now, here she is, acting up.

I think she took to the role of Countess without any ragging from the Count, and just seemed to enjoy the title and any airs that came with the title.

[motorcitymom65]

7 hours ago, Former Nun said:

Slob #2 here...in Arizona.  I not only "let" workers use my one and only small bathroom, I mention it as soon as they arrive for whatever job they're doing.  It seems demeaning for someone to be working hard (usually outside) and then have to "beg" for permission.  In our area we have lots of Mexican workers who are treated badly and I'm not going to add to their sorrows.   When my boys were little (maybe 6 and 8) and I was married, we had a yardman in his 60s.  Every summer he'd have a teenage boy as a helper.  When they finished with the work all five of us sat on the patio and had lemonade.  When my husband dumped us and we were able to stay in that house for three months, I told the yard guy I couldn't afford him anymore--that I'd mow the yard.  He told me my husband had always been a jerk and he would MOW OUR LAWN for no pay until I was able to sell the house!  I still get tears when I tell that story.

What a great way to start my morning - with a beautiful story like this. Thanks for your kindness and for sharing it with us. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

The ski chalet ... VRBO 

Stratton VT log home

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, VagueDisclaimer said:

Such s Manhattan-ite attitude, though, so I'm unsurprised. To them, Brooklyn is practically New Jersey!

Yes, and of course Beth is criticized for it all, but she was the only one (save for Dorinda) who seemed to recognize that the area was special and was familiar with it. The others - Lu said she hadn't been there for 15 years, and Tinz, who had never been there, were the ones who were acting like it was in a different country. 

[motorcitymom65]

47 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Someone mentioned upthread that given her history and that she's now a married lady,  Sadie, Sadie!, she should be nervous of rumors, which is legit. 

I guess anything is possible, but wow, what a world to live in. That your past behavior on national TV with pirates and bathroom sex has led you to the place where folks might automatically assume that a chef working in your rented home and using your bathroom could even vauguly imply that you might be banging him in there with a film crew and house full of other people right outside. That you cannot even make eye contact with a random guy and there be an innocent outcome. People - even men I don't know - can use my bathroom without people wondering what I might have been doing in there with him. The assumption will always be that I am not fucking a guy I don't know in the bathroom. I have to admit, it's good to know I don't carry this burden. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I hope one of the chefs helped Ramona unpack her suitcases.

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Also Carole needs to stop sitting on kitchen counters with fucking shoes on (I believe ) no less ! 

I think that Dorinda climbed up there with her too.   I don't like seeing anybody plop their ass down on the very counters you use to prepare and serve food on.  Between that and your dirty shoes,  yuk! 

Watching Bethenny practically fall on the floor laughing at the "clip, clip" scene had me rolling too.   The whole scene is embarrassing, but yet hilarious. 

LuAnn needs to stop hitting them over the head with the "I'm married and soooo in love" bit, right now!   I probably would've felt a little left out having to take the basement bedroom, but hell, what did she expect being the last one to show up?  That's as bad as Ramona & Sonja expecting the other ladies to save them the "best" room just because that's what they expect.  Grow up ladies!  Just pick a room and deal with it for a few nights.  It's not like your room is out in the woodshed and you've got to go to the bathroom in an outhouse!  Sheesh!

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

8 hours ago, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

Although I did not watch the episode I did catch a bit where Luann leads the others in applauding the chef for the good food, so maybe she got a secret helping of humble pie somewhere.

Luann did attempt manners when she said that, and when she hauled ass away from the luncheon when it was getting embarassing. 

Bethenny on the other hand told the chef his food needed seasoning. 

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and when she hauled ass away from the luncheon when it was getting embarassing. 

From what others have said, it seems like she was hiding in the bathroom...

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Bethenny on the other hand told the chef his food needed seasoning. 

Constructive criticism to someone you hired is now a bad thing?