Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

[nikma]

3 minutes ago, ShellsandCheese said:

I don’t think she would care,

Oh I think she will care a lot. 

[ShellsandCheese]

Just now, Umbelina said:

The other "Kings" and so called noble people have killed thousands of babies.  IIRC, Tywin deliberately ordered his men to kill every breathing person, man, woman or child during his quests for power, for just one example.

He did say it would have to be a very high price.  😉

I think he's shown a lot of character, and yes, compassion, but that hasn't been his ruling emotion, because his desire is survival, and that means money, since his particular sperm and egg weren't "royal."

I just think he'd balance that counsel.

Again, all of this is just spec in case the spoilers are true.  Mixed with a bit of "I hope they are."  I love the idea of no more Kings or Queens devastating the majority of the people simply to hold those titles, or because they think it's DUE to them.

Is this penis armor? The man has no moral compass and is willing to do anything if the price is right - that is exactly the kind of person you don’t want sitting on a council. I’m struggling to see what kind of balance a person like that would be bring. It wouldn’t take long for those who still hold power in other ways to know he can be easily influenced and then use money to get him to rule in matter that benefits them. It doesn’t solve any problems, just creates new ones. 

The way the spoilers have listed it, it’s not an even a council that would be truly representative of the people of Westeros or their needs. It sounds like a council of characters they didn’t want to kill off but don’t know what else to do with. 

[SeanC]

Just now, nikma said:

Oh I think she will care a lot. 

Why?

She's already said a number of times that she doesn't care about her enemies' descendants. Gendry is a humble bastard blacksmith who fought loyally and without any sort of ego under her banner.

Earlier this season she was, while unhappy, willing to be persuaded to accept Jaime Lannister, the guy who actually killed her father.  She's schtupping the guy she thought was the son of another of her father's over-throwers.

[MarySNJ]

35 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I don't think Bronn is evil.  I think Bronn is smart, and brave.

The way Westeros is set up what options did he have, die like all the rest of the cannon fodder of the "small folk?"

He is a survivor, in a world that was set up for his failure.  In some ways, he's a bit like Littlefinger, who also raised himself up from nothing to rise in the rigged game of inherited wealth and power that is Westeros.

Bronn has shown loyalty and compassion though, along with bravery.  I'm not a fan of inherited wealth or power, so I am drawn to those who play the game without those gimmes. 

I think he would be valuable on the counsel because he understands the poor, a bit like Davos, and because he's very very smart about motivations and what might be needed to avert wars and killing.  He has none of the idiot respect for family names or Kings.  

I respectfully disagree. I think Bronn is amoral. His occupation is sell-sword, and he doesn’t seem to have many qualms about killing for profit. Compassion? I would say he makes friends when it profits him and probably does enjoy Tyrion’s company. He can be jovial, but I wouldn’t confuse that with compassion. 

 That’s not to say he doesn’t care about anyone. He certainly cares about himself. He may not like nobility, but he’s happy to kiss up to them if he thinks he can get something out of it. Remember how SER Bronn wants a castle? Not exactly aspiring proletariat.

 I find Bronn entertaining and don’t have a problem with his relationships with the Lannister men, but I wouldn’t trust his judgement on a council. I will reserve judgement until I see how he responds to Cersei’s offer when he actually Tyrion and/or Jaime again. 

29 minutes ago, toomuchtv47 said:

I may be remembering incorrectly, but isn't Bronn still on his way to kill Jamie and Tyrion as per Cersei's orders? If he were to get to Winterfell and tell them why he was there, would the brothers still be as loyal to their sister?

Indeed he is. 

[ShellsandCheese]

2 minutes ago, nikma said:

Oh I think she will care a lot. 

Can you elaborate? It’s the first time it’s been brought up in this thread and I’d love to hear more. For me, it’s easy. I don’t think she’d care because in the big scheme of things he’s just a blacksmith. He has no claim to the throne, no army, no people backing him. 

He’s the bastard son of monarch that kind of screwed things up. He didn’t just kind of. He did, big time. Everything that happened throughout the show is in large part due to Robert’s own incompetence as King. 

Although, who knows at this point. I could see him being on a council of some sort though if he’s legitimized. 

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Riplet68 said:

And why would Arya kill Dany?  She wasn’t even a blip on her radar, and Arya has shown she won’t kill without just cause.

OOOH....what if Cersei hires faceless men to kill Dany disguised as Jon?  That would cause all sorts of problems and send Jon into a spiral. 

Now THAT theory I can get behind. Jon was screaming "Dany!" when the two of them were lost in the snowstorm. However complicated his feelings are at the moment, he clearly still loves her. Even if she does go Mad Queen I still couldn't imagine him killing her.

[nikma]

8 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Why?

Because Jon never told her. Because that means he doesn't trust her. 

4 minutes ago, ShellsandCheese said:

Can you elaborate? It’s the first time it’s been brought up in this thread and I’d love to hear more. For me, it’s easy.

Because it's about her relationship with Jon, not about Gendry that much. If the endgame is Dany vs Jon, this could be good way to start that. And to create conflict between Arya and Dany, if we go Starks vs Dany. 

[nikma]

11 minutes ago, SeanC said:

Earlier this season she was, while unhappy, willing to be persuaded to accept Jaime Lannister, the guy who actually killed her father.

Yes. To fight againt AOTD. That doesn't exist anymore. 

[Minneapple]

1 hour ago, Riplet68 said:

And why would Arya kill Dany?  She wasn’t even a blip on her radar, and Arya has shown she won’t kill without just cause.

OOOH....what if Cersei hires faceless men to kill Dany disguised as Jon?  That would cause all sorts of problems and send Jon into a spiral. 

The only reason I could think of for Arya to kill Dany is if Dany is out of control with dracarysing everybody and Arya and Jon have a conversation, something like "I can't kill her but she has to be killed, she's a danger to the world," and Arya's all, "I'll do it," and then Arya wears Jon's face to get close to Dany and then kills her.

I do like the speculation of Cersei hiring the Faceless Men to kill Dany disguised as Jon. One of the Reddit threads with the "Jon kills Dany" leaks notes that Jon's face is completely cold when he kills Dany. Real Jon killing Dany would be completely anguished and broody if he was really killing Dany.

[GraceK]

2 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Now THAT theory I can get behind. Jon was screaming "Dany!" when the two of them were lost in the snowstorm. However complicated his feelings are at the moment, he clearly still loves her. Even if she does go Mad Queen I still couldn't imagine him killing her.

Exactly. Ygritte wasn’t exactly the poster child for pacifism. Bloodthirsty doesn’t even begin to describe her and Jon was head over heels. She shot him with arrows, slaughtered villages, attacked the NW with an army of wildings, personally shot one of his night watch brothers with an arrow, and he still couldn’t harm her and was devastated at her death. Dany also is tied by blood to him now, he’s not gonna be kinslayer.

[nikma]

Cersei hiring the Faceless Men to kill Dany disguised as Jon makes no sense. FM can only use faces from dead people. 

[magdalene]

Bronn on the council? Ha!  Come on these have to be foilers.

He is an entertaining character I give you that but nobody in their right mind would put him in such a position of power and responsibility - or trust him with money matters. Nor would he ever want that job.

Boy, those folks making up this crap will be so bored once the show is over.

[nikma]

2 minutes ago, Minneapple said:

And why would Arya kill Dany?

I don't think Arya will kill Dany, but if Gendry becomes problem for Dany then Dany will become problem for Arya. 

[GraceK]

Wow this thirst for Dany to die is a little disturbing, and to have Jon do it....yeesh. For once, why can’t it be the Man who goes crazy? Jon is a Targaryen too btw, and now has ridden a Dragon, and is practically a zombie. Maybe he’s the one who go will insane. After all, his purpose is gone and is whole life is a lie.

Edited May 1, 2019 by GraceK

[nikma]

It's not about going insane, it's about corruption from power. And that doesn't fit with Jon's character at all. 

If Cersei kills Missandei as some leaks said I can see Dany burning parts of KL. She wouldn't want to play "clever games" anymore. She would bring fire and blood, as was teased many times before. 

[Umbelina]

9 minutes ago, nikma said:

Cersei hiring the Faceless Men to kill Dany disguised as Jon makes no sense. FM can only use faces from dead people. 

Don't forget, Jon already died.

[nikma]

And if the endgame is that there is no more Iron Throne I'm sure the last 3 episodes will be so brutal, and full of betrayals and death and horrible things done #ForTheThrone, that everyone will think destruction of IT is the best option.

1 minute ago, Umbelina said:

Don't forget, Jon already died

They need to take his face. It doesn't matter that he died. 

[Minneapple]

5 minutes ago, nikma said:

Cersei hiring the Faceless Men to kill Dany disguised as Jon makes no sense. FM can only use faces from dead people. 

And Jon has been dead. Not sure how Arya would get his face, but maybe that would finally be a solid consequence of Jon's death.

Also, Jaqen used Arya's face, remember? I don't recall if it was ever explained how he did that. 

[nikma]

Just now, Minneapple said:

And Jon has been dead.

And no one took his face. 

1 minute ago, Minneapple said:

Also, Jaqen used Arya's face, remember?

That was hallucination.

And Arya killing Dany with Jon's facve is somehow even worse theory than Arya killing Cersei with Jaime's face . Arya won't kill anyone big. She killed the Night King. That's it for her. 

She could be part of Gregor's death, but no one major will be killed by Arya.

[GrailKing]

On 4/30/2019 at 10:10 AM, Minneapple said:

I'm just glad I never shipped Jaime/Brienne if these leaks are true. Jaime was a waste of a character.

I'm glad I didn't fall for his redemption arc, it's still seems clear he would choose Cersei .

More so now, he survived the AOTD.

[Umbelina]

What if they got the name wrong, and instead of Bronn being on the counsel, it's Brienne?

I can't see GRRM leaving a counsel of all men, it doesn't fit.

[nikma]

4 minutes ago, GrailKing said:

I'm glad I didn't fall for his redemption arc,

As Cogman said there is no redemption arc. 

[kellog010]

Why can't Dany realize the thing she was fighting for is worth giving up for the greater good and agrees to rule by council? I would believe that before I believe after fighting the AOTD she goes mad. I would be sorely disappointed if that is her end. 

Also, after Cercei sat back drinking wine while Jamie fought for the living I think it would be a serious backstep to his growth for him to go back to her side. Also Tyrion for that matter. 

These fleaks make no sense to the characters I've been watching for 8 seasons and I would be pissed if the show ended up as half of them imply. 

[GrailKing]

On 4/30/2019 at 10:18 AM, SimoneS said:

I HATE that Missandei is captured and executed.

Me  too, I want at least one happy couple ending ; two if we count Jaime and Cersei falling on the map floor.

[nikma]

4 minutes ago, kellog010 said:

Why can't Dany realize the thing she was fighting for is worth giving up for the greater good and agrees to rule by council?

That's possible as well. Just like it is possible that she becomes even more power hungry now that she lost so much. 

I don't think she will ever be "mad", but I think this dilemma about power  was always part of her character. I think both endings are possible. 

And I think it would be interesting to see how power corrupts even good people, not only claer villains like Cersei, LF, Tywin and so on. 

Iron Throne is GoT's version of Ring of Power IMO. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by nikma

[GrailKing]

4 minutes ago, nikma said:

As Cogman said there is no redemption arc. 

Hell I must have missed that.

[Smad]

1 hour ago, WindyNights said:

Isaac said that the Three Eyed Raven is above petty squabbles and on the side of humanity.

I don't care what Isaac has to say. I can only judge what's on my screen. And form my own opinion from there. And that's the opinion I stated.

1 hour ago, WindyNights said:

And considering the words that TheinMs wanted to hear came from Bran, he has some amount of empathy still even if he's monotone about it.

"Theon....you're a good man. Thank you."

That's called inconsistency. Either he's above it all or he's not. It can't be both. If he's above what drives humans, from petty squabbles to what one would like to hear before they die, then him saying anything to Theon makes no sense. If he's on the side of humanity, then why he sacrifice thousands for no reason? If he cares about humanity, there are so many lives he could have saved. Instead he sat around doing nothing all last Season and this Season. So no, from what I've seen, all the 3ER cares about is self preservation. And he doesn't care about how many die so long as he lives.

[SeanC]

Just now, GrailKing said:

Hell I must have missed that.

He said that in his interview about 802, but if I recall, he also said that about Theon, and c'mon, Theon's death scene might as well stamp "Theon is redeemed now" on his forehead.

[GrailKing]

1 minute ago, SeanC said:

He said that in his interview about 802, but if I recall, he also said that about Theon, and c'mon, Theon's death scene might as well stamp "Theon is redeemed now" on his forehead.

OK, maybe I missed it, or was busy.

[glowbug]

Dany would not care about Gendry being Robert’s bastard. He has no claim to the throne and no means to take it. Bastards can’t inherit unless they’re legitimized, which would be hard to do when Robert never acknowledged Gendry or met him, and even then it would be messy as hell. He was raised a commoner and had none of the skills necessary to even pretend to be king. Edric Storm could possibly have been a threat to Dany since he was of noble birth on both sides, acknowledged by Robert, raised and educated as part of the nobility, and could possibly have support from the bannermen in the Stormlands, but he doesn’t exist in the show and Gendry, though he is a composite of Edric and book Gendry, has none of the qualities that would make Edric any sort of a threat. On top of this, Gendry has shown absolutely no inkling of being interested in the throne and no one seems to want him on it either.

It’s also very possible that Dany knows who Gendry is and was told off screen because it’s something so inconsequential. Dany also trusts Jon so it would be out of character for her. She believes that his being a secret Targaryen is not something Jon hid from her for their entire acquaintance but that he was told once they got to Winterfell. She knows Jon doesn’t want the throne according to Emilia Clark, so why would she think Jon hid Gendry’s parentage from her intentionally. I think her main concern with Jon is that others might prefer him on the throne, which is something she really should worry about. Varys seems primed to jump on the Aegon Targaryen bandwagon, especially when you take into account that his book counterpart supports the other, likely fake, Aegon. Dany may very well execute Varys in the books for that reason and if that’s the case and D&D want Varys to meet the same end as his book character a good way to do that is have him support Jon’s claim over Dany’s whether Jon wants it or not. 

[nikma]

2 minutes ago, GrailKing said:

Hell I must have missed that.

The context was thet Jaime can do good and bad things just like everyone else and that he won't just become hero.

I think Cogman is already anticipating fan reaction when they realize that Jaime still loves Cersei, so that's why he said that. 

[Bannon]

28 minutes ago, nikma said:

And no one took his face. 

That was hallucination.

And Arya killing Dany with Jon's facve is somehow even worse theory than Arya killing Cersei with Jaime's face . Arya won't kill anyone big. She killed the Night King. That's it for her. 

She could be part of Gregor's death, but no one major will be killed by Arya.

Well, if they want to go a bit against the grain, and actually display intelligent use of military assets, Arya should intergrate herself into the Golden Company's camp A.S.A.P., as a cook, whore, or some other person typically found hanging around a military camp in an auxillary role, and begin assassinating it's command structure. They are mercenaries, after all, and will abandon Cersei if staying with her becomes too chaotic.

[screamin]

10 minutes ago, kellog010 said:

Also, after Cercei sat back drinking wine while Jamie fought for the living I think it would be a serious backstep to his growth for him to go back to her side. Also Tyrion for that matter. 

While I wouldn't believe Jaime would turn his cloak AGAIN to fight for Cersei against Dany, I could easily believe Jaime deserting Dany - not to fight against her, but to try to help Cersei escape with him to foreign climes with their child...and be refused one last time.

Edited May 2, 2019 by screamin

[MadameKillerB]

Wait. I missed something here. Cersei will kidnap Missandei?? Again, is this a solid leak or just someone's prediction?

[nikma]

Just now, glowbug said:

Bastards can’t inherit unless they’re legitimized,

Yeah, we saw how that works in the North and in Dorne. 

1 minute ago, glowbug said:

He was raised a commoner and had none of the skills necessary to even pretend to be king.

True, but still he would be better king than last 5 people who were on the IT. 

[SeanC]

1 minute ago, nikma said:

Yeah, we saw how that works in the North and in Dorne. 

As previously noted, Gendry has neither the ambition nor the support to take the throne (and Ellaria's taking control of Dorne had nothing to do with her being a bastard).  He can't even substantiate that he is Robert's bastard.

[Spartan Girl]

50 minutes ago, nikma said:

Cersei hiring the Faceless Men to kill Dany disguised as Jon makes no sense. FM can only use faces from dead people. 

Oops you're right! Silly me.

God I am sick of agonizing over these "leaks". It's gonna be a loooong three weeks.

[chrisvee]

48 minutes ago, GraceK said:

Wow this thirst for Dany to die is a little disturbing, and to have Jon do it....yeesh. For once, why can’t it be the Man who goes crazy? Jon is a Targaryen too btw, and now has ridden a Dragon, and is practically a zombie. Maybe he’s the one who go will insane. After all, his purpose is gone and is whole life is a lie.

I feel like I’m about to go all Julia Sugarbaker here. Suffice it to say that it’s never the fictional guys who go bonkers it’s always the woman for some totally unknown reason....

[Eyes High]

28 minutes ago, SeanC said:

He said that in his interview about 802, but if I recall, he also said that about Theon, and c'mon, Theon's death scene might as well stamp "Theon is redeemed now" on his forehead.

Ha! Indeed.

GOT writers: There's no such thing as a redemption arc!

Also GOT writers: Let's make sure Bran tells Theon "You're a good man" before he dies, just in case it wasn't already absolutely clear.

Snark aside, I actually do think that Theon had a real redemption arc in the show, as opposed to Jaime's bullshit. He actually apologized and attempted to make amends to the people he had wronged to the extent that was possible. Dying at Winterfell defending the adoptive family he had once betrayed was the perfect death for him.

I don't know what's going to happen in 8x04 other than the snippets we've seen, but I am very excited about it.

Here's a list of the characters whose actors seem to have filmed on the Belfast KL exterior sets (that we know of): Arya, Jon, Sam, Davos, Sandor, Tyrion, Jaime, Grey Worm, and I think Harry Strickland. There are probably more, but those seem to be confirmed.

The characters whose actors don't seem to have filmed on the Belfast KL exterior sets: Sansa, Gendry, and Gilly.

...Everyone else is a question mark as far as I can tell. I don't know where Dany is in all of this. Emilia was doing promotion for a film off and on in May and early June. If the reason Kit was filming a lot on the KL exterior sets while they were being burned is that Jon is running around on the ground trying to save civilians while things are indiscriminately being set on fire by a dragon presumably mounted by Dany, that sounds pretty bad.

According to an extra, there was a scene with Arya, the Hound and Jaime trying to get into the Red Keep and being rebuffed by the guards. So there might be Arya/Hound/Jaime action with Jon doing other stuff elsewhere (...although Arya must get separated from them at some point since Maisie's last scene was a scene from 8x05 where Arya is alone). I wasn't sure whether the KL exterior action would bleed into 8x06, but it sounds like the bulk of it is in 8x05. Also, Hafthor Bjornsson (the Mountain) was filming a lot in June, so if that was Cleganebowl, that's probably when it would have been filmed.

...Given that Sapochnik saw 8x03-8x05 as a single big story with a beginning, middle and end, and seeing 8x03 as the Great War and 8x05 as the "Last War" (as Dany called it), does that mean Cersei dies in 8x05? Her death would presumably end the war.

18 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Oops you're right! Silly me.

God I am sick of agonizing over these "leaks". It's gonna be a loooong three weeks.

Give me something for the pain and let me die wake up in three weeks. Benioff's plan of getting drunk and being far from the Internet when the finale airs seems like a solid plan.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Eyes High

[chrisvee]

9 minutes ago, nikma said:

The context was thet Jaime can do good and bad things just like everyone else and that he won't just become hero.

I think Cogman is already anticipating fan reaction when they realize that Jaime still loves Cersei, so that's why he said that. 

I doubt Jaime still loves Cersei (he clearly loves Brienne) but I have no doubt he loves the baby.

[joliefaire]

12 minutes ago, SeanC said:

He said that in his interview about 802, but if I recall, he also said that about Theon, and c'mon, Theon's death scene might as well stamp "Theon is redeemed now" on his forehead.

Agree.  And about Jaime, Cogman said Jaime is just living his life and changing.  My sense was that Cogman just doesn't like the term 'redemption arc' as it seems to pat an explanation for the detailed nuanced type of writing he's (justifiably) famous for.  But I think we can quietly agree among ourselves, ordinary mortal beings that we are, that Cogman writes great redemption arcs!  Heh.

[magdalene]

14 minutes ago, kellog010 said:

Also, after Cercei sat back drinking wine while Jamie fought for the living I think it would be a serious backstep to his growth for him to go back to her side. Also Tyrion for that matter. 

I think both Jaime and Tyrion will always be Lannisters at their core. When they were deciding Jaime's fate at that hearing he told them to their face -" What I did I did for my family and I would do it all over again". He told Bran he was sorry and I am sure he meant that  but  his core beliefs wouldn't have changed.

Jaime did not expect to live through the battle of Winterfell. He may have to adjust his thinking now that they are back to politics and the battle for the Iron Throne. Wanting to fight against the dead wouldn't automatically equate fighting for Dany and the Starks under any and all circumstances.

[SimoneS]

37 minutes ago, MadameKillerB said:

Wait. I missed something here. Cersei will kidnap Missandei?? Again, is this a solid leak or just someone's prediction?

There two sets of leaks that are posted a few pages  back. There is a lot of debate about their credibility. One leak claims that Cersei captures Missandei and the Mountain executes her by cutting off her head.

Edited May 2, 2019 by SimoneS

[Eyes High]

31 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

There two sets of leaks that are posted a few pages  back. There is a lot of debate about their credibility. One leak claims that Cersei captures Missandei and the Mountain executes by cutting off her head.

I could have sworn there was another claim that Missandei is executed in front of Dany circulated on Freefolk recently. Same person making both claims, maybe?

37 minutes ago, magdalene said:

I think both Jaime and Tyrion will always be Lannisters at their core. When they were deciding Jaime's fate at that hearing he told them to their face -" What I did I did for my family and I would do it all over again". He told Bran he was sorry and I am sure he meant that  but  his core beliefs wouldn't have changed.

Jaime did not expect to live through the battle of Winterfell. He may have to adjust his thinking now that they are back to politics and the battle for the Iron Throne. Wanting to fight against the dead wouldn't automatically equate fighting for Dany and the Starks under any and all circumstances.

Yeah, I don't think that Tyrion and Jaime's divided loyalties will be magically fixed now that the war is won. Dany will still want to kill Cersei (even more so if she now blames Cersei for her losses because Cersei refused to provide help), and Jaime and Tyrion will want to avoid that at all costs. How it all plays out we don't know, other than knowing that Jaime and Tyrion end up in KL, Bronn's contract on Tyrion and Jaime's lives will probably come back into play at some point, and Tyrion will do something that gets him put on trial by the Starks for treason in 8x06 (or not, if you don't buy Friki's 8x06 leaks). That's it.

I am curious as to whether Tyrion and Jaime go rogue and their mission in KL is unsanctioned by Dany. It would be stupid for Dany to let Tyrion and Jaime run around when she's on a mission to crush Cersei, unless Tyrion manages to talk her into some foolishness. Why would Dany even let Tyrion and Jaime accompany them to KL? Will Tyrion even be Dany's Hand by the time she makes it to KL? His rueful comment to Jorah and Varys about getting replaced by one of them in 8x02 could be foreshadowing. Dany is flanked by Missandei and Varys when she's laying out her KL plans, not Tyrion (which seems like a deliberate bit of blocking), and Dany might resent Tyrion as her Hand even more now that she has lost Jorah.

Javi speculated that Tyrion will set off the wildfire and destroy KL to stop the city from being turned into wights, but that obviously isn't the case. Also, the burn patterns on the buildings (scorched out on top, intact on the bottom) seem to suggest dragonfire, not wildfire. And as I said upthread, if Dany intentionally unleashes Drogon on KL (as opposed to Drogon going berserk or something), something Jon and Tyrion said would make her no better than any other tyrant, then I don't think things are going to end well for Dany. Those are my assumptions, though. We'll see if I'm right.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Eyes High

[SimoneS]

2 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I could have sworn there was another claim that Missandei is executed in front of Dany circulated on Freefolk recently. Same person making both claims, maybe

There could have been another claim, but I didn't see anything about Missandei being executed in front of Dany from the leaker who claimed that Missandei would be captured and executed. I did look at this leaker's responses to the people who asked him questions.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, nikma said:

And if the endgame is that there is no more Iron Throne I'm sure the last 3 episodes will be so brutal, and full of betrayals and death and horrible things done #ForTheThrone, that everyone will think destruction of IT is the best option.

They need to take his face. It doesn't matter that he died. 

I keep wavering between 7 independent kingdoms and Jon sitting on the Iron Throne.  It's practically a daily flip-flop

[SeanC]

5 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I could have sworn there was another claim that Missandei is executed in front of Dany circulated on Freefolk recently. Same person making both claims, maybe?

People (understandably) have been speculating about Missandei's death for a long time due to Nathalie's seemingly early filming completion.  But since she survived the Siege of Winterfell, I honestly don't see her dying at this point.  Her ending up in Cersei's custody doesn't seem all that probable.

[Morrigan2575]

55 minutes ago, SeanC said:

He said that in his interview about 802, but if I recall, he also said that about Theon, and c'mon, Theon's death scene might as well stamp "Theon is redeemed now" on his forehead.

I think he said something about not believing I  redemption arcs. People took that to mean no redemption for Theon and Jamie but, I think his point was they weren't writing and arc that this was just natural character movement/development/growth.

[Umbelina]

This one is all true so far, except perhaps about Lyanna, but she's dead, so she would?  They corrected it to say Jon kills Dany, the only thing that hasn't happened yet.

From an Emily interviews:  https://www.inverse.com/article/54030-game-of-thrones-season-8-spoilers-emilia-clarke-daenerys-ending

“She starts feeling pretty cocksure and confident, and then stuff happens,” Clarke tells BAZAAR.com of Dany’s arrival North and her first encounter with Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner), which HBO teased in early promos.

“Every single piece that I put on made sense for the scene that I was in, and made sense with the place that the character’s in at that time,” she said. “There’s a real through-line for this particular season, there’s a real arc and I feel like fans, like hardcore fans, will clock what’s happening within the reflection of the clothing.”

about the ending:  “It fucked me up,” she said then. “Knowing that is going to be a lasting flavor in someone’s mouth of what Daenerys is.”

The shocking death really seems like it could be Dany.

[GraceK]

Or Tyrion.