S06.E21: The Forever Knot

[Jax7917]

Deb's fiance is soooo freakin creepy. That guy is up to no good and That family dynamic is pure comedy. Deb is a nut job and Farrah is even more nuts than her which is very hard to beat. 

I used to like Ryan's father but even though I agree with what he's saying,  his temper is a tad scary. I think Maci told Mackenzie what she was feeling about Jen and Larry in hopes that she would go back to them and tell them what she said. Clearly Mack's loyalties are gonna be with his family.

I really did not have one ounce of sympathy for Amber. Every little thing is ALWAYS about her. It's her friends day to try on wedding dresses but of course Amber has to too. And then on the friends happy day she has to complain and whine about how sad she is and upset with Matt. And the whole Carry Bradshaw thing was so contrived and REALLY annoying.

[LilaFowler]

I marveled at seeing Farrah laugh at David's "that's not very Christian" joke. She's just so joyless. Do you think that she has this whole other side to her that we never see, since most of her scenes are with her parents? Do you think that she ever has fun and stuff? I have a hard time imagining it.
 

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Butch: "I'm not really on any kind of program or anything..."

Dr. Drew: "So, do you feel like you're drifting away from the program?"

 

LOL, he was totally not paying attention and probably wondering why this crackhead was calling him. I wonder if he gets an appearance fee for that phone call?

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, swishandflick said:

Deb was such a raging bitch about the nanny. It's really hurtful to say that about someone who isn't really even a full fledged "character" on this show and is sort of on TV incidentally not because she necessarily wanted to be on TV. Good luck finding another good baby sitter, Farrah!

She already has one. His name is Michael. 

2 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

I think you're seeing the real Amber, whether Matt's there or not. Matt's a big enough lowlife to go along for the ride with her sorry ass. They deserve each other. All I could think of during the massage scene was "Pig-In-A Blanket". 

Agree. As much as I see what Matt is doing to her, Amber has also partook in Matt's nonsense. They both have said shit about Gary while Amber has put Matt before her own daughter.  I can't forget the awful things Amber has continued to say about Gary and the things she has said to Gary's face. Calling him a slumlord, chastising him for the clothes he wears, his budget-living ways, she just totally looks down her nose at him. Amber acts like her old stomping grounds are beneath her. Then, there are the things she said about Matt's other victims. Amber said they were weak women and basically deserved whatever shit happened to them.  You are eating your own words, Amber along with all that fast food Matt has been bringing home for a full month. 

Edited May 17, 2017 by GreatKazu

[jumper sage]

17 hours ago, leighroda said:

I am not married so maybe what I'm about to say is part of the reason, but, I cannot imagine how miserable I would be if I constantly had someone by my side, regardless of how much I love them, I need space, they could be my most favorite person ever, but I would still like to be by myself sometimes, I always joke that I still want my own room when I'm married.

You can have your own room.  The queen of England does, why can't you?  I too, to this day, cringe at the thought of marriage.  I have been in a committed relationship for a little over 20 years and we each have our own rooms at opposite ends of the house.  We each have our own bathrooms but he shares with our son.  We only moved in together after our son was born.  We used to live on the same street.  I have yet to see a marriage I would want to emulate.  I like my own friends, my own space and my own timeline, excepting for parenting.

14 hours ago, Emmierose said:

I really used to love Catelynn, now all I want is for her to do something with that hair to cover that five head.  And maybe go to school?  Make some friends? Get a part time job?  And what happened to Kim's ever present postal uniform?  She used to wear it every show.  Now she's all fancy and glammed up and shit.

Didn't they start at Baker College?  I remember some posters saying it was a fake school.  It is not and actually is a huge help for lower income families.  I know a few of my friends kids have gone there.  If you do well in the first 2 years you usually get a scholarship for a state university for the last 2 years.  Here is the kicker though - they treat school like a job.  Everyday, well dressed, prompt and must act accordingly as if in a job.  I can see how this did not work for them.  Heck it would not work for me.  I went to a university and have a Master's degree but I went to school in my jammies, went to class for tests and pretty much did what I wanted.

[CofCinci]

32 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

You can have your own room.  The queen of England does, why can't you?  I too, to this day, cringe at the thought of marriage.  I have been in a committed relationship for a little over 20 years and we each have our own rooms at opposite ends of the house.  We each have our own bathrooms but he shares with our son.  We only moved in together after our son was born.  We used to live on the same street.  I have yet to see a marriage I would want to emulate.  I like my own friends, my own space and my own timeline, excepting for parenting.

Didn't they start at Baker College?  I remember some posters saying it was a fake school.  It is not and actually is a huge help for lower income families.  I know a few of my friends kids have gone there.  If you do well in the first 2 years you usually get a scholarship for a state university for the last 2 years.  Here is the kicker though - they treat school like a job.  Everyday, well dressed, prompt and must act accordingly as if in a job.  I can see how this did not work for them.  Heck it would not work for me.  I went to a university and have a Master's degree but I went to school in my jammies, went to class for tests and pretty much did what I wanted.

I'm not even sure they completed a full academic year. Tyler dropped out to play in New Orleans. Catelynn dropped out because she is incapable of independence.  The 'fake' school criticism came from the fact that the school isn't non-profit and does not have an accredited social work program.  If they actually completed school, they wouldn't be able to receive a license to practice social work.  It is a school that takes advantage of many low-income adult students in Michigan and saddles them with debt. I'm sure the school has helped many, but their graduation rates are criminal.  Any "college" that gives life experience credit should be avoided at all costs if one is serious about both their education and career.

https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=bAKER+cOLLEGE&s=all&id=168847#retgrad

[gunderda]

On 5/15/2017 at 10:55 PM, SuzyLee said:

He's an infectious disease doctor.

ETA: I just looked up his reviews.  They're horrible, going back several years. 

I was curious if anyone has looked up this guy yet to see if he was legit a doctor.

From this episode is sounds like he hasn't even been practicing for awhile.

On 5/16/2017 at 8:05 AM, ghoulina said:

Those things are super popular in real life and I don't know one person who did it with only two people. Pretty pathetic. 

My friend and her husband did one with their friends... I think they had 10 people and the max is 12.  Well 2 weird ass people decided they wanted to do it just the two of them...but you can't do it as a pair... and then they got stuck with my friend's group.  My friend said it was awful and awkward. 

I can't believe this show had just the two of them do it - that's not how it's done!!

On 5/16/2017 at 10:43 AM, RamonaSenomar said:

Farrah -- Sooooo, yeah.  That conversation at the restaurant between Deb and Farrah.  Who were they talking about, Sophia's nanny?  "She's fat and lazy and wants to eat" and do what now?  I didn't understand what Deb was so angry at.  I couldn't follow it, and I hit rewind on my DVR three times.  It made no sense the first time I watched it and made even less sense the fourth time I watched it.  Maybe I was too wrapped up in folding my laundry ...
 

 

On 5/16/2017 at 10:48 AM, ghoulina said:

You could tell there was some cutting and editing going on there. I don't think for nefarious reasons, just time constraints. It seemed like Farrah brought up the topic of being annoyed with the nanny, and then they cut out a chunk of what she was saying, because suddenly Deb was launching in with HER opinions. I think Deb was just trying to back up Farrah and get on her good side again. 

 

23 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

I saw this as Debz seeing an opening to talk shit about the woman she thinks has replaced her. Farrah expressed dissatisfaction and Debz went on the attack, pointing out things that Farrah obviously didn't agree with. 

Every time Farrah starts to talk crap about someone Deb INSTANTLY jumps in like she's about to bond big time with her daughter.  Deb gets all excited that they can finally do something together and then almost instantly Farrah will knock her down about it.  Which cracks me up. 

Not surprising that Farrah went from "I love nanny ____" to "I can't stand her!!" in a short period of time. 

[Maire]

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HAHAHA! Mr. Guilfoyle said the same thing about the massage girl. "Can you imagine the kind of girls she's got to rub up on? Hitting those weird patches of hair?"

I really felt sorry for the masseuse because she said "last time Matt was here..." Did she have to give him a massage? Not for a million dollars.

[jumper sage]

1 hour ago, CofCinci said:

It is a school that takes advantage of many low-income adult students in Michigan and saddles them with debt. I'm sure the school has helped many, but their graduation rates are criminal.  Any "college" that gives life experience credit should be avoided at all costs if one is serious about both their education and career.

If you read the link you gave you can see that the school is used a stepping stone for most students.  My grandmother, who could not speak English, went there in the late 1920s and did well and eventually was a powerful leader in the AFL-CIO.  A friend of mine and one of my cousin's kids both entered Baker at the same time and both received financial aid.  My cousin's kid did not do well at all and dropped out.  My friend's kid did great and was awarded a full ride scholarship, with choice of state universities, for his final 2 years.  Didn't cost him a penny, with the exception of partying which he is doing now at university.  [Insert wary face].

I agree with you that Cait getting a social work degree is ludicrous, since one is not offered.  If a counselor pointed her there it was probably because the school does all the paperwork for financial aid for you and it's program, if you work HARD, can be an in to a university.  See what I did there?  Cait and working hard does not compute.  I would have hated the program there too.  What no jammies for finals?  I can't, I just can't.

3 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I used to like Ryan's father but even though I agree with what he's saying,  his temper is a tad scary

I agree!  It's almost like we can see why Ryan is the way he is.

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 5/16/2017 at 10:55 AM, SPLAIN said:

Should I blame the Kardashians?

Always.

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, Emmierose said:

Dude SO isn't into Debz for her Whoville looks nor her dim bulb personality, he's after MTV screen time.   Watching Debz mouth when she talks makes me a little nauseous.  Why are her lips so weird?

Dead. I'm dead, I tell you. Whoville looks, indead! The end of her nose is so weird and unnatural. 

 

17 hours ago, FawnLeibowitz said:

And I give not one shit about Butch. I FF through all his scenes. He's a loser and honestly I'm not sure why he's on the show.

Butch isn't just a simple addict. I have sympathy for addicts. But he's an abuser as well. And I'm getting quite sick of him and his "Free Butch" shirts - as if he's some political prisoner or a man erroneously charged with murder. You can't keep off the crack rock. Sit down and shut up. 

1 hour ago, gunderda said:

Not surprising that Farrah went from "I love nanny ____" to "I can't stand her!!" in a short period of time. 

Unless someone kisses her ass 24-7 (Looking at you, Paola) Farrah won't be able to get along with them for more than a week. If that. 

 

1 hour ago, Maire said:

I really felt sorry for the masseuse because she said "last time Matt was here..." Did she have to give him a massage? Not for a million dollars.

Ew. Ewwww. I know. I shudder at the thought. 

Also, anyone notice how Amber just PERFECTLY placed that TTM shirt she was wearing on the stool when she had her massage? It was displayed just so, so you could read the label. It wasn't folded really, but she made damn sure that logo showed. Maci's got everyone pimping her crappy clothing line. 

[GreatKazu]

Maci and Taylor are always showcasing that t-shirt company. Taylor has worm a short with the TTM logo in every single episode this season and last season.

[Calm81]

Amber and Matt share a bank account, can anyone tell me what would happen to all of ambers money if they break up? What's the process...I would research it myself but you sleuths are untouchable on here lol.

I mean, will she have to split the money in half along with her assets?

[ghoulina]

28 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

 

Maci and Taylor are always showcasing that t-shirt company. Taylor has worm a short with the TTM logo in every single episode this season and last season.

 

Oh yea, but it's their brand. I kind of expect that. It's funny to see where else they pop up. I SWEAR I saw Kody Brown on Sister Wives wearing one of those god-awful pocket tees once. 

[MissMel]

7 minutes ago, Calm81 said:

Amber and Matt share a bank account, can anyone tell me what would happen to all of ambers money if they break up? What's the process...I would research it myself but you sleuths are untouchable on here lol.

I mean, will she have to split the money in half along with her assets?

No.  She can request to take him off the account and he will get notice of it.  I still have the account my ex and I shared.  He requested his name be removed.  Since my name was first, I was technically the owner of the account.  The credit union sent me notice and I signed in agreement.  I'm pretty sure the divorce papers hadn't been filed yet.  If they were, I hadn't responded yet.  It didn't matter.  I could have taken him off and canceled his card without his consent because it was technically my account.  That's frowned upon during a divorce but they aren't married so she really has no reason not to do it.  

[MissMel]

** I doubt they have an actual bank account though.  I think it's more likely they have a prepaid card type account.  It's nearly impossible to garnish those type accounts, from what I understand.

[gunderda]

If they share an account he can probably wipe it out, can't he, and she would have no recourse? 

[ginger90]

19 minutes ago, Calm81 said:

Amber and Matt share a bank account, can anyone tell me what would happen to all of ambers money if they break up? What's the process...I would research it myself but you sleuths are untouchable on here lol.

I mean, will she have to split the money in half along with her assets?

If it were me, I would drain the account. If she is primary, I would close it ASAP. Even if there's only $50. She would be taking a chance of him over drawing it.

[Porterest]

20 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

I think it's obvious that Ryan couldn't care less about getting that extra day with Bentley. He'd be in court day and night at least until he got an official no. He's never bothered because he doesn't really give a shit. Has he ever done anything with that kid just the two of them? Their activities are based around his parents. 

And the cameras. You mustn't forget about the cameras. Now that the show is showing just how invasive the cameras are, it's easy to see how much they figure in the motivations of all people involved. (Seriously, did anyone really think Butch should be freed, or was it just a way to make a quick buck off some t-shirts? That's a rhetorical question, of course.)

[MissMel]

6 minutes ago, gunderda said:

If they share an account he can probably wipe it out, can't he, and she would have no recourse? 

He can.  And she could sue him but "you can't get blood from a turnip" so, no, there's not much she could about it.  Best case scenario, she closed the account or at least reported his card stolen when she put him on the plane back to Indiana while she was still in California.  She made a mess for herself by putting him on any account, for sure.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Calm81 said:

Amber and Matt share a bank account, can anyone tell me what would happen to all of ambers money if they break up? What's the process...I would research it myself but you sleuths are untouchable on here lol.

I mean, will she have to split the money in half along with her assets?

I seriously doubt they have any bank accounts. Amber has the IRS on her ass with the money she owes them. With all the money Matt owes, the pending lawsuits, keeps him from having a bank account as well. The first thing they go after is any bank account in your name. 

My question is, why is Matt bent on marrying Amber when he has full access to everything she brings in? Surely by now Amber has allowed Matt easy access to her money either because she is that stupid or he has manipulated her into putting the money in some account with someone else's name on it and he will be "in charge" of it. 

[CofCinci]

6 hours ago, jumper sage said:

If you read the link you gave you can see that the school is used a stepping stone for most students.  

Your link was wikipedia.  You can look at the edit history and see how the college polices that page (wikipedia banned them too in 2014).  The link I shared was from the National Center for Education Statistics , a Federal agency.  I understand you have a deep family connection to the school but it is not an ethical organization.  Their student loan default rates are FAR above the national averages.  They encourage students, like Catelynn and Tyler, who are not college ready to enroll and help them sign for thousands and thousands of dollars in student loans.  These students are not appropriate for college and drop out.  Their loans either go into default or the loans themselves become a barrier to postsecondary education.  It's very sad and for Michigan students it is a real problem.  In a way I'm happy Tyler dropped out of school to have gay sex in New Orleans -- that way the school is not promoted on television.

Edited May 18, 2017 by CofCinci

[bethster2000]

8 hours ago, jumper sage said:

You can have your own room.  The queen of England does, why can't you?

My husband and I celebrate 21 years of marriage tomorrow and we have separate beds, separate rooms...and a very happy marriage!

[CalicoskiesNC]

4 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Amber and Matt share a bank account, can anyone tell me what would happen to all of ambers money if they break up? What's the process...I would research it myself but you sleuths are untouchable on here lol.

I mean, will she have to split the money in half along with her assets?

I work in banking. If you have a jointly owned account either of the owners can take the funds and close the account, WITHOUT the other party present. You both own the funds free and clear. What Amber can do is go to bank withdraw funds, close the joint account and open a sole-owned account on her own. We see this with bad divorces and breakups quite frequently. 

[CalicoskiesNC]

4 hours ago, MissMel said:

No.  She can request to take him off the account and he will get notice of it.  I still have the account my ex and I shared.  He requested his name be removed.  Since my name was first, I was technically the owner of the account.  The credit union sent me notice and I signed in agreement.  I'm pretty sure the divorce papers hadn't been filed yet.  If they were, I hadn't responded yet.  It didn't matter.  I could have taken him off and canceled his card without his consent because it was technically my account.  That's frowned upon during a divorce but they aren't married so she really has no reason not to do it.  

In this instance it sounds like you were the account owner and you had your husband as an authorized signer. This means he can use the account but not close it. We don't notify a joint account holder in event other joint owner closes. At the bank where I work you cannot have a joint party removed, you would have to close the account and open a new one. Credit unions do not legally have to follow federal Reg CC or Reg D so their rules may be different. Hopefully someone can help Amber protect her finances. 

[MissMel]

It is a credit union and it was a joint account.  I do know things have changed some in recent years.  That was my experience and how things were explained to me.  I see what you're saying, though.  Hopefully Amber just added Matt as a signer, if she has an actual bank account.  Going by all that they each owe, I doubt it.  The IRS and Child Support Enforcement would probably have already attached to a regular account.  I'm thinking prepaid cards are what they use.  I do hope she someone in her corner.  Matt's a slippery slimeball.

[druzy]

5 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I seriously doubt they have any bank accounts. Amber has the IRS on her ass with the money she owes them. With all the money Matt owes, the pending lawsuits, keeps him from having a bank account as well. The first thing they go after is any bank account in your name. 

My question is, why is Matt bent on marrying Amber when he has full access to everything she brings in? Surely by now Amber has allowed Matt easy access to her money either because she is that stupid or he has manipulated her into putting the money in some account with someone else's name on it and he will be "in charge" of it. 

 

 

Maybe Matt persuaded Amber into purchasing a life insurance policy with him as the sole beneficiary.

ETA- you don't have to be married to be a beneficiary, however, Matt is a piece of sh*t and I wouldn't put anything passed him.

Edited May 18, 2017 by druzy

[jumper sage]

2 hours ago, MissMel said:

 

It is a credit union and it was a joint account.

 

I agree with you on this.  My mother had different accounts at her credit union with each of us 3 on one of the accounts each.  We, of course, never went into her accounts but when she died we ran to the bank and emptied the accounts.  I know this sounds terrible but I always give the advice for family members to close those accounts, if your name is on it, as quickly  as you can.  You will need money to close out dead parents life.  It was a way to keep the house up while waiting for the legal system to call for any creditors and to pay for her funeral etc.

[MissMel]

9 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

I agree with you on this.  My mother had different accounts at her credit union with each of us 3 on one of the accounts each.  We, of course, never went into her accounts but when she died we ran to the bank and emptied the accounts.  I know this sounds terrible but I always give the advice for family members to close those accounts, if your name is on it, as quickly  as you can.  You will need money to close out dead parents life.  It was a way to keep the house up while waiting for the legal system to call for any creditors and to pay for her funeral etc.

It doesn't sound terrible to me, at all.  We got burned when my sister passed 4 years ago and she was the only person on her account.  I moved her balance to my account to help pay for her cremation.  The credit union reversed it back and explained to us why they were entitled to keep it.  It was a mess.  Now, we have two people on every account so if one of us passes, the others will be able to get to what's left.  (And my father prepaid for his cremation already.  I still have to get mine in place.)  There's enough to deal with when that comes, no reason to add more to it.  It's solid advice.  :)

[Faul McCartney]

7 minutes ago, MissMel said:

It doesn't sound terrible to me, at all.  We got burned when my sister passed 4 years ago and she was the only person on her account.  I moved her balance to my account to help pay for her cremation.  The credit union reversed it back and explained to us why they were entitled to keep it.  It was a mess.  Now, we have two people on every account so if one of us passes, the others will be able to get to what's left.  (And my father prepaid for his cremation already.  I still have to get mine in place.)  There's enough to deal with when that comes, no reason to add more to it.  It's solid advice.  :)

Also, it's best to have two people's names on your car for similar reasons. I'm a real estate lawyer,* not a trust and estates lawyer, but my understanding is that if only your name is on a car, it can kick your estate into probate court even if there's no other assets that would require probate. It should be your partner because names on cars = liability, but if you're single and have a family member who doesn't mind being on title, it's much better that way. 

* the foregoing is a general statement and not legal advice, no attorney client relationship has been formed, and talk to your own lawyer ?

[MissMel]

6 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

My question is, why is Matt bent on marrying Amber when he has full access to everything she brings in?

My guess is that he's feeling this show slip away.  He loves the attention, the money is nice, and Amber is just a vehicle to both.  The show is his real target.  A wedding, family backlash, an eventual divorce?  Just more teevee time for this greasy dickweed.

[MissMel]

15 minutes ago, Faul McCartney said:

Also, it's best to have two people's names on your car for similar reasons. I'm a real estate lawyer,* not a trust and estates lawyer, but my understanding is that if only your name is on a car, it can kick your estate into probate court even if there's no other assets that would require probate. It should be your partner because names on cars = liability, but if you're single and have a family member who doesn't mind being on title, it's much better that way. 

* the foregoing is a general statement and not legal advice, no attorney client relationship has been formed, and talk to your own lawyer ?

Thank You!  I just went through this, too.  I tried real hard not to choke my husband at the tax collector's office recently.  I told him we need both names on each title.  "Your car is your car, my truck is my truck."  Right butthead, but if one of us dies?  It's one less thing to worry about.  If you want to talk divorce?  It does not matter.  Community property.  The poor woman helping us knew exactly what I was trying to say and tried to help explain it to him.  She knew I was trying really hard not to make a scene.  That was a fun ride home.  Lol 

I wonder how the cars are titled for Mamber?  Even leases seem like they could get messy in the event of a breakup.  I'm sure Matt has it all figured out to skate away clean, though.  Prick.

Edited May 18, 2017 by MissMel
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[Christina]

I knew someone who was with his girlfriend for over ten years. They lived together but didn't have children together, and the house was rented. He passed away in a car accident and since her name wasn't on anything, his mother immediately filed to be administrator of his estate and took possession of all his assets as next of kin. Girlfriend's car was in his name because he had the loan on it, and Mom took it, too, then returned it to the bank because there was no life insurance on it. Mom then proceeded to drink and party away his money while flaunting it at the girlfriend, because she was a female version of Butch. There is no way he would have wanted that, and I'm quite surprised they didn't have legal documents such as wills because she had lost her sister a few years before and there were a lot of issues with her estate because it involved a wrongful death claim, and those are controlled by statute, causing family strife about who was entitled to what according to her will. There were many meetings with attorneys who explained the differences, which were confusing, and I would have thought they would have decided to get their own taken care of back then. But, we're too young to die, I guess.

My sympathy for Amber has almost completely dissolved. I was rooting for her when she got out of prison, hoped she had found a path, then she trashed Matt's previous victims. I know she has been manipulated and he is apparently good at it, but her behavior the past few years has me rooting for her comeuppance. If she does actually leave him, I may rethink my dislike of her, but probably not unless she acknowledges the hurt she caused, which she refuses to do.

[ginger90]

When I was going through a divorce, both vehicles were in both our names, loans too. The only problem we had was explaining the situation to Penn DOT to avoid having to pay taxes when putting our names only on our own vehicles. I sent copies of both bills of sale, with both names, nicely explaining we already paid taxes and that was that. I got the house, sold it, paid off both cars and my ex sent me his regular monthly car payment until it would have been paid off in real time. I was nice like that, lol.

[gunderda]

13 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

My husband and I celebrate 21 years of marriage tomorrow and we have separate beds, separate rooms...and a very happy marriage!

I thought it was awesome that my friend and her husband have their own blankets on their bed but this sounds even better!!! lol 

I'm single and mid-30s and my mom keeps talking about how we need to get something in place for me so that if something happens they have access to my accounts.  They finally just did it for their own stuff to add me and my brother.

 

Matt has to have some sort of direct access to amber's money because he went and bought/leased that car for her without her knowledge as a 'gift'. 

[Booger666]

Has it been confirmed that Amber and Matt broke up?  Do you know when?  I don't follow any media outside the show. Thanks. 

[leighroda]

22 hours ago, jumper sage said:

I agree with you on this.  My mother had different accounts at her credit union with each of us 3 on one of the accounts each.  We, of course, never went into her accounts but when she died we ran to the bank and emptied the accounts.  I know this sounds terrible but I always give the advice for family members to close those accounts, if your name is on it, as quickly  as you can.  You will need money to close out dead parents life.  It was a way to keep the house up while waiting for the legal system to call for any creditors and to pay for her funeral etc.

I feel you, we did the same when my mom got sick and subsequently passed away... we had gotten my sister consigned onto all of her investment accounts, our financial advisor was a family friend so he sent someone to the hospital to notorize the appropriate documents, and we were literally going to do the same with my moms bank account, but she died the day before we were going to go (we had planned to go to the bank Monday, but she died Sunday) literally the day she died we went to the ATM and got what we could since it was Sunday the bank was closed, it obviously wasn't much... but it went towards the funeral costs (luckily she already bought her plot and headstone). 

Im not sure where Matt and Amber stand at this point; but I wouldn't want him on my tab at a bar, let alone on a bank account.

[StatisticalOutlier]

23 hours ago, MissMel said:

Thank You!  I just went through this, too.  I tried real hard not to choke my husband at the tax collector's office recently.  I told him we need both names on each title.  "Your car is your car, my truck is my truck."  Right butthead, but if one of us dies?  It's one less thing to worry about.  If you want to talk divorce?  It does not matter.  Community property.  The poor woman helping us knew exactly what I was trying to say and tried to help explain it to him.  She knew I was trying really hard not to make a scene.  That was a fun ride home.  Lol

Some states have a provision where title to motor vehicles can be transferred via an affidavit of heirship if there is no will or if the will isn't probated. 

 

17 hours ago, ginger90 said:

When I was going through a divorce, both vehicles were in both our names, loans too. The only problem we had was explaining the situation to Penn DOT to avoid having to pay taxes when putting our names only on our own vehicles.

Mr. Outlier and I have both our names on a vehicle title, and I looked into taking mine off for no real reason, and found out we'd have to pay sales tax on the "transfer" to him that would occur when my name is removed.  And I didn't look into it further, but I got the impression the taxable amount wouldn't be only the half of the car that was actually being transferred.  Bleh.

All that said, I don't think Matt and Amber are the types to "own" much of anything and will therefore avoid such problems.

[lilmarysunshine]

On 5/17/2017 at 0:01 AM, DoctorWhovian said:

The Maci drama seems like almost standard separate family bs. He said-she said, anger at the people who aren't in the room. If the cameras weren't there, all the same stuff would happen, there just wouldn't be evidence of it. I cringed when Larry said he can make decisions for Bentley - he probably didn't mean that literally but not the best thing to say. He's a great grandpa (they're great grandparents), but you're still grandparents.

I never really felt this way about Jenn and Larry until this last season but they have some definite issues with boundaries and I can't blame Maci.  (And I am no Maci apologist!)

I dealt with this for years with my in-laws and I really see it in Larry here lately.  Did they love my kids? Of course. But there's a line there that can be crossed where you move from doting grandparents to grandparents with a sense of entitlement. Bentley is not their child. He's Maci's child and Ryan's child but if Ryan really wanted to get him more, he would have done it years ago.  I remember thinking "You're gonna talk shit about me and then turn around and demand I hand over the most precious thing in my life to you?  Who do you think you are?"  I never did that but I was tempted. lol    These scenes have been total deja vu for me and one of the reasons why I don't support grandparents "rights."  (And, to be clear, my children always had and have a relationship with their grandparents. But they definitely tried to control it and felt totally entitled to those kids.)

There was no reason for him to be an asshole to Mackenzie, either.  If I was her, I might have reservations about marrying him and having kids with him for those reasons (and more, of course!).

Edited May 19, 2017 by lilmarysunshine

[jumper sage]

On 5/18/2017 at 10:59 AM, Booger666 said:

Has it been confirmed that Amber and Matt broke up?  Do you know when?  I don't follow any media outside the show. Thanks. 

It has been confirmed that Amber cancelled the wedding but Matt is still living with her.

[CofCinci]

7 hours ago, jumper sage said:

It has been confirmed that Amber cancelled the wedding but Matt is still living with her.

I can imagine Matt saying "I'm on the lease - I'm not going anywhere."

Amber lacks the volition to throw her caftans in bag to go stay at Bubby's.  I'm sure Matt is surgically administering every single narcissistic mind game he has developed over the last 25+ years of being a scumbag. 

Edited May 20, 2017 by CofCinci

[DangerousMinds]

10 hours ago, jumper sage said:

It has been confirmed that Amber cancelled the wedding but Matt is still living with her.

Confirmed by whom?

[scrappyrunner75]

On 5/16/2017 at 4:17 PM, TonAmi said:

Did anyone catch them going to the baby spitting food outta its mouth right after Gary said "Amber taught him about sex ed" lmao! Shady, MTV. Shady.

 

 

OMG! This had me laughing so hard! Good one MTV! 

[GreatKazu]

8 hours ago, CofCinci said:

I can imagine Matt saying "I'm on the lease - I'm not going anywhere."

Amber lacks the volition to throw her caftans in bag to go stay at Bubby's.  I'm sure Matt is surgically administering every single narcissistic mind game he has developed over the last 25+ years of being a scumbag. 

Were both of their names on the lease? 

5 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Confirmed by whom?

Only sources have confirmed, but Amber herself has not tweeted anything. 

I took a look at her Twitter page and there are several gossip sites on her page with the story about Matt and the upcoming episode and the break-up. Why would those gossip sites be on her page? Do the sites post them on her Twitter page? 

[ginger90]

5 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

 

I took a look at her Twitter page and there are several gossip sites on her page with the story about Matt and the upcoming episode and the break-up. Why would those gossip sites be on her page? Do the sites post them on her Twitter page? 

Amber herself puts the links on her twitter.

[CofCinci]

14 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Were both of their names on the lease? 

I think so. They were both named on the lawsuits from the last two landlords. 

[jacksgirl]

Late to the party, one more day of school, yay me, worst year in 10 years of teaching.I blame our new school philosophy of "Conscious Discipline", which might as well be called "No Consequences ". Anyway, I have always supported Farrah because although I think she has real issues, she doesn't lay on the sofa all day and is using her TM fame to make money. Anyway,  the scene where Debra, Farrah and Sofeeeyah are eating in the kitchen, Sofeeeyah announces "I'm done" and walks away. She doesn't ask to be excused or clear her dishes. That behavior bugs the crap out of me. Sofeeeyah is old enough to do both of these things. 

Edited May 21, 2017 by jacksgirl

[jacksgirl]

1 hour ago, jacksgirl said:

Sorry,  double post 

Edited May 21, 2017 by jacksgirl

[jumper sage]

13 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Confirmed by whom?

Every news/entertainment outlet.  Check Google.

[DudeLeaveMeAlone]

On 5/20/2017 at 9:21 PM, jacksgirl said:

Late to the party, one more day of school, yay me, worst year in 10 years of teaching.I blame our new school philosophy of "Conscious Discipline", which might as well be called "No Consequences ". Anyway, I have always supported Farrah because although I think she has real issues, she doesn't lay on the sofa all day and is using her TM fame to make money. Anyway,  the scene where Debra, Farrah and Sofeeeyah are eating in the kitchen, Sofeeeyah announces "I'm done" and walks away. She doesn't ask to be excused or clear her dishes. That behavior bugs the crap out of me. Sofeeeyah is old enough to do both of these things. 

Yes, but she also needs to be taught to do these things. Farrah doesn't exactly model good manners, so I can't imagine she puts any focus on teaching them to Sofeeeeeya.

[JocelynCavanaugh]

1 hour ago, DudeLeaveMeAlone said:

Yes, but she also needs to be taught to do these things. Farrah doesn't exactly model good manners, so I can't imagine she puts any focus on teaching them to Sofeeeeeya.

Nobody on this show chews with their mouths closed, either. The kids are all pretty gross to watch, especially Sofeeeeya. She's like that grinning monster emoji come to life. I guess "manners" are not a big trend in parenting these days.