S09.E240: Reunion Part 4

[RealReality]

29 minutes ago, byrd said:

I never believed that lie ! Phaedra knew exactly what Apollo was up to. There is no way she couldn't know. This is not saying that she was a part of it, but how could he have that type of money ? I also just heard that Phaedra's parents asked her to leave the show,  enough already.  

 

LOL...this was the season that finally broke the camel's back for them huh?

Phaedra isn't that smart, but she is 10x smarter than Apollo.  I mean, Phaedra had relatively little to lose by using Dummy Porsha as a shield, and it would have worked had the dummy just kept her mouth shut.  I can only imagine the hoops she jumped through before using dumbass Apollo as her shield for whatever financial shenanigans she was planning.  

I wonder what the SOL is for fraud?  Because Apollo may indeed write a tell all book once he knows Phaedra can't be arrested.

[sunsheyen]

4 hours ago, BSB said:

I know people hate Kenya but she was hilarious with her side comments all reunion! She wasn't here for Porsha's crying outrage with no tears and neither was Todd. I do believe Porsha was truthful that Phaedra said it was firsthand knowledge especially since she asked several times but I don't she was that upset she hurt Kandi. I think she was upset Phaedra used her the way she did. I've never liked Phaedra and I always knew she was a liar but this really took the cake, and to just sit there and say well I can't undo it is heartless and hypocritical for someone who's always asking Jesus to fix it. I've been lurking for years but this season is the first time I've actually made any comments but there's a poster who ALWAYS defends Phaedra & Porsha and I haven't seen a single comment from her these past 2 episodes. Am I the only who's noticed that? I don't know how to mention folks and I'm not sure that's alllowed, but I would love to hear her take on Phaedra now!!!

In advance, sorry for any disjointedness, I just added things to multi quote as a I read along.

3 hours ago, SnarkKitty said:

I'm mad at you for this.

No you didn't hit her with this! I'm done.

Yup - ALL this. 

That right there. I'm mad at how she went into instant victim mode, and managed to escape her part once again. The one satisfaction is by doing so she left Phaedra in that pot stewing all alone thinking "Well damn, yeah I told her, but I didn't tell the dumbass to repeat it! Why is SHE escaping responsibility?" I fully believe that's what that little sideways "Oh, so *I'm* the 'villain now'" was all about. Because she's a liar and a sociopath, but she wasn't alone. She knew Porsha was only too happy to throw that info in Kandi's face and likely ki-ki'd with her about it with no remorse but couldn't say that for fear Porsha would get agitated and really spill some more. 

And Porsha. She can miss me with that "I was shocked and said 'really girl? Did she mean it? Was she joking? How did she say it?' and that 'I ASKED Kandi and then I let it go." Girl, bye. No you didn't. You did what you always do - try and deflect your responsibility with a bigger lie. Gleefully threw it in her face and sat back smugly. Only difference was, this wasn't a lie of your making so you were even HAPPIER because you thought you really had something to get back at Kandi for revealing the truth that would take the light off of your it never happened!/how could I know if it happened?/well maybe it happened.../so what if it happened, you're a __________ tale. 

And uh yeah, I was kinda noticing the slower stream of posts and *crickets* myself ... had it been Kenya, these servers would have been shut down  ... 

Where are yall? This ain't TWOP, so name calling isn't an instant ban, but damn, look back to the final few episode threads and a bunch of y'all are missing. Dead silent with regard to Phaedra/Porsha's foolishness. Not even us Kenya fans' "I know she's fucked up, but...." Yall just left this lying raggedy HoWife! I stay laughing. Chris Brown told y'all that folks ain't loyal!

2 hours ago, Yasmine said:

& I believe everything in Angela's book!!!! Phaedra is a liar & a con artist, she has fooled millions of viewers into thinking she was some saint & so many of them fell for it. I knew she was off from the beginning.... what "God fearing" lady gets knocked up IN HER THIRTIES by a felon then goes on national tv and lies to everyone including her doctor?????????? Like what grown ass woman needs to lie about her due date? So yes, I completely believe she is guilty of everything Stanton said she did & I believe she knew all about Apollo & he's not going to snitch because she has his kids.

I don't e'en know how folks still play into this game in the 21st century with an "educated" woman. She was still shucking and jiving to please her parents about a baby like it's the 1950's.  Girl, my religious mama would be madder about the recidivist felon than she would a fake preemie in 2010!

2 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

Porsha said, "I don't need to show the text messages as proof, but I've got the receipts."

WHEN is she going to show those? Who or what's making her keep them a secret?

Is Andy making her keep them hush-hush until next season? I can see him milking this story for a season or two.

 

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Not yet. Cynthia only filed for divorce in Feb., 2 days before the reunion was filmed.

I think she would have pulled out her cell phone and shown them had Phaedra not admitted to telling her not only the lie about Kandi/Todd/drug/rape but that Phaedra also told her Kandi was the one that told Phaedra herself. Porsha came armed to protect herself this time, with words/texts instead of fists. LOL

I think Porsha was trying to give Phraudra a chance to prove friendship til the end and fess up, but still let her know that her lies could be exposed. Nothing about a next season, but that last ditch effort as a friend to say "I wanna believe you before I have to prove you a liar."

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

This is totally what happened.

Phaedra didn't expect the bitch to go off and use their Kiking private Frick and Frack moments of shade as ammo against Kandi.

Actually if you think about it, I'm sure Phaedrah's thought process was bitch you ain't supposed to tell anyone what I told you in our gossip, shade, girls night, wine drinking moments. That's another thing about Porsha that's so stupid. You know how many times I've gotten stuck biting my tongue wanting to drag a bitch and let her know about herself because of shit I know for a fact cause I got all the tea told to me WITH receipts but I wasn't about to break confidences. I'm friends with all 3 of my son's fathers sisters. But I'm closest with one in particular like we hang, we chill, we throw shade, the works and we kiki all the time about her two other sisters whom I've fallen in and out of favor with on occassion but never would I ever use the million and one things I've gotten from their sister (and their brother too mind you cause me and him are still extra cool, we share a son after all) as ammo. Hell I've had to bite my tongue about shit that I knew they were lying to my face about because I had no way to explain how I came across the information. Or letting info slip would automatically tip them off on who told me.  Phaedrah was supposed to be her good friend so tell me why Porsha broke their confidence. Porsha was messy and Phaedra wasn't gonna say a word cause Porsha was the one that broke gossip rule number 1! Shit said between us STAYS between us. Duh!!!!

I don't think Phakedra thought that Porsha would be as explicit and clear in the allegations as she was (on camera). I think she (parks) thought that she (porsha) would just shade/annoy Kandi, and I dont think she(Parks) really felt any of these comments would ever get so serious (cease and desist). She probably felt she was solidifying an ally against Kandi but didn't look any further into actual accusations and legal action. Stupid for a lawyer. I really hope she gets disbarred or sanctioned.

38 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

I think Kandi wasn't as good of a friend as she could have been, but in her defense at the time of Apollo's arrest/conviction & Phaedra's divorce, Kandi & Todd were dealing with the loss of Miss Sharon & undergoing a high risk pregnancy.

And even after the rape/Marvin lies were exposed, Kandi STILL did not run Phaedra all the way down on that tv show.

 

I actually think Phaedra DID expect Porsha to go off & use their kiki'ing against Kandi and Todd.  That's why she told Porsha those lies in the first place.  If you tell Person A that Person B & Person C were going to drug & rape them, you have to have some expectation that Person A is going to confront Person B & Person C.  If Phaedra had left the lies to "Todd is going up to NYC and telling women his name is Marvin" I would agree, but Phaedra had to know that Porsha would go after Kandi after telling Porsha that Kandi & Todd were planning to assault & violate her.

If that bit of lies had come from anyone else I don't think Porsha would've believed it but it was coming from Kandi's "good friend" Phaedra, so why wouldn't Porsha believe it?

KENYA is at the root of the Kandi/Phaedra bust-up (IMO) because after Apollo admitted that he made it all up on Kenya, Kandi told Phaedra they were wrong for spreading those lies on Kenya and they needed to apologize to Kenya for lying on her.  I think that was a severe betrayal in Phaedra's mind and she never got over it.  Then it just escalated with Apollo, Chocolate, etc.

Kandi may have seen how easily and naturally Phaedra lied on Kenya & kept the lie going and may have started distancing herself from Phaedra because of that.

Even if Andy wants to bring Phaedra back for ratings, I just don't see who would want to film with her.   I don't even think Phaedra is needed for a Phaedra/Porsha Lying Fallout Storyline/Phaedra-Porsha Seek Redemption Storyline next season.  1) because there is no redemption for Phaedra to be found amongst the current or previous cast and 2) because only Porsha is needed for a Lying Fallout/Redemption storyline.  I think the other cast members (even Kandi) would agree to film with Porsha but I don't think Phaedra will get the same consideration.

If Phaedra does come back next season, it will only be to wrap things up in the first couple of episodes and then she will be phased out.

Kenya's not at the root of that. Because Apollo lied, but Phaedra continued her vendetta, PHAEDRA is at the root of the problem. I agree that no one will want to be fucked up with Phaedra again. Not only are there legal/libelous/slanderous concerns, they just don't trust the bitch. Ice her out.

36 minutes ago, Mojoker said:

I wondered about this. But I read once that there's a clause in their contract that prevents "Housewives" from suing each other.  I have no idea whether that's true or not, but, to me, it's the only way to explain why Kandi doesn't already have a team of lawyers tap dancing on Phaedra's face.

No matter what clauses may be included in contracts, none of them exempt criminal acts. Slander is criminal, accusing someone of rape is criminal. Kandi still has grounds to come after Phakedra (and Porsha) and therefore have reason to deny filming with her (and by association, Kenya/Cynthia/Sheree as parties to such suits could not film with her as well. nothing to do with Bravo.) Easy way to shut her out.

17 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Is that the PR whispers Phaedra is putting out? "I'm leaving because my parents asked me to" vs "I'm not going to be asked back?" LOL. 

Phaedra has lied about her due date, taken payments in cash in the parking lot, complimented strippers on their shave-ups, twerked with her booty meat hanging all out around other women's husbands, lied on Kenya, been accused of sleeping with Apollo on an air mattress in the projects with the ankle bracelet on, been accused of being the Head Doctor, undergone a nasty divorce from a convicted felon but THIS is what makes her parents say "Baby, you need to leave the show?" 

An almost irrelevant aside at this point (due to her lies) but Phaedra has been shown on multiple occasions showing her body off and shaking it in front of other people's husbands (which Shamea accuses her of with her OWN husband) but still has the audacity to comment on Shamea's sexual behaviors and potential marriage. 

This bitch is crazy. How she still talking shit about how long Shamea might or might not be married when she is still legally bound to a felon that she was raw dogging within 1 month of his release and couldn't stay married to for 5 years?

Still waiting for the former Phaedra/Porsha attack dogs to pop up. 

Yeah, I'm petty AF.

[byrd]

5 minutes ago, RealReality said:

LOL...this was the season that finally broke the camel's back for them huh?

Phaedra isn't that smart, but she is 10x smarter than Apollo.  I mean, Phaedra had relatively little to lose by using Dummy Porsha as a shield, and it would have worked had the dummy just kept her mouth shut.  I can only imagine the hoops she jumped through before using dumbass Apollo as her shield for whatever financial shenanigans she was planning.  

I wonder what the SOL is for fraud?  Because Apollo may indeed write a tell all book once he knows Phaedra can't be arrested.

Not sure this information is 100% true, but I am sure they have been embarrassed all along with the show. Phaedra is an adult and her parents can't tell her what to do, but she went to extremes to keep them from realizing she was pregnant so I believe they have  some influence.

[ghoulina]

15 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

1. Kandi was crying because she was overwhelmed with anger. It's actually a common reaction. Crying is not solely associated with sadness or hurt feelings. It can be associated with range.

Yup. I once had a co-worker go nuts on me during a staff meeting and I started crying. Everyone looked at me like "poor baby", but I was actually trying to hold back my anger and that was the result. I saw the same in Kandi. She was legit PISSED, and trying not to go crazy. 

 

16 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

 

6 hours ago, swankie said:

I Have never seen so much bad acting since Trump's inauguration speech!  Sheree!  Really?!  That fake crying when Kandi got up to leave made me belly laugh uncontrollably for about 15 minutes straight.  And I'm immune to Porsha's tears.  Her crying is so juvenile and fake.  To me, even if Phaedra told me that about Kandi, I would have just said, "Get the fuck out of here!" and kept it moving.  I don't believe Porsha really believed Kandi said that.  I just think her and Phaedra never thought Kandi was going to react that way and the backlash it would create.  But seriously!  I'm still sitting here like, "Is it really that damned serious?!"  Kandi's running off sobbing like an infant, Porsha's running off sobbing like an infant, Sheree is sobbing by osmosis and all because Phaedra told a lie in anger.  They act like none of them have ever done that.  Hell, Cynthia and Peter are sitting there pretending to be divorced.  And how in the hell is what Phaedra did more outrageous than the things Bob said about and did to Sheree and the bullshit that went down between Kenya and Matt?  Kandi, if someone called you Bill Cosby, I'm sure it was said as a joke.  And I've heard way worse things said about you so simmer down with all that fake drama.  I'm glad this season is over.  I don't even want to watch their next installment.  They have become New Jersey to me.  :-(

1. Kandi was crying because she was overwhelmed with anger. It's actually a common reaction. Crying is not solely associated with sadness or hurt feelings. It can be associated with range.

2. Easy to call it fake and say it's not a big deal when it's not your name being dragged through the mud on TV and online. It's easy to say it's not a big deal when you're only considering your own point of view and nothing else. There are way more people beyond yourself that watch the show and read the blogs and you can't account for how they will interpret things. Kandi isn't angered by people like you that easily see through a lie and give it no more thought, she's angered by the people that MAY give it life with the whole 'where there's smoke there's fire' attitude. She's angered by the fact that assumed boundaries were crossed when the women went way too far in their retaliation against her. Whether the Cosby joke was in jest or not, Kandi is within her own right to feel a certain way about seeing those references made about herself and being the butt of the joke over a lie. And I'm assuming you're no stranger to the internet and its trolls - there are many people who take the liberty of being keyboard warriors and will most certainly use information, whether truth or lies, to throw low blows. Isn't that exactly what Porsha did? I'm pretty damn sure she knows that Kandi would never really drug and rape her but she slung that shit in her face because she was being vindictive. Kandi is sure as hell allowed to be mad about that.

3. Are all lies created equally? Are we really going to try and alleviate the nastiness of Phaedra's lie by comparing it to a lie about Cynthia and Peter's divorce (a lie that only affects the two of them)? Or comparing a LIE of outrageous magnitude to an actual TRUTH between Bob and Sheree's relationship...which again, only affects the two of them? That's searching really hard to minimize the disgusting nature of Phaedra's lie and I don't think it holds water.

 

I agree about the lies as well. not all lies are the same. I don't really give a fuck if Cynthia and Peter weren't really divorced when she said they were. It's shady, but doesn't really effect anyone. Just like I didn't give a fuck when Phaedra lied about her due date. But making claims that someone is into drugging and raping young women is beyond vile and I don't blame Kandi for getting as angry as she did. 

[RealReality]

@sunsheyen @BSB -- please, if I have to hear about Porsha's 4 businesses I never heard of, and her sitting on a golden goose nest egg of money I'll have to go all juvial on the time sector scale.

[Maccagirl]

So..... is Angela Stanton replacing Fakedra next season?  Wouldn't that be priceless karma?

[RealReality]

Just now, Maccagirl said:

So..... is Angela Stanton replacing Fakedra next season?  Wouldn't that be priceless karma?

that may be phaedra's one shot at a storyline....

[sunsheyen]

5 minutes ago, RealReality said:

@sunsheyen @BSB -- please, if I have to hear about Porsha's 4 businesses I never heard of, and her sitting on a golden goose nest egg of money I'll have to go all juvial on the time sector scale.

Girl.....!

That hair and lingerie and whatever the hell else are selling like hotcakes!

to quote Phakedra,

"girl, bye."

[Maccagirl]

13 hours ago, DrivingSideways said:

So the news about Phaedra faking a cease and desist from Kandi isn't true? 

That's what I am wondering as well.  After hearing so much speculation about it, I thought it would be brought up/revealed tonight and that would be another stone thrown at Phakedra.    Does anyone here know anything more about the possible "forged" cease and desist letter?

[Mojoker]

1 minute ago, Maccagirl said:

That's what I am wondering as well.  After hearing so much speculation about it, I thought it would be brought up/revealed tonight and that would be another stone thrown at Phakedra.    Does anyone here know anything more about the possible "forged" cease and desist letter?

I thought Kandi said on the show that she'd immediately sent a cease and desist letter. I don't think it was fake.

[Maccagirl]

Perhaps a new series is needed: The Real Criminals of Fakedom?  It could star Phaedra (A), Teresa (NJ), Vicki (OC), Kim (BH), etc..  Hmm, perhaps I better formalize this idea and ask for my share before Andy reads this and starts filming.

[BSB]

10 minutes ago, RealReality said:

@sunsheyen @BSB -- please, if I have to hear about Porsha's 4 businesses I never heard of, and her sitting on a golden goose nest egg of money I'll have to go all juvial on the time sector scale.

Yes!!!!!! So you know exactly who I'm talking about!!!! Where is she??? It's mighty funny that she's gone missing!!!

[Queena]

14 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I think this is stupid, high school type bullshit.  The problem is cameras were rolling, which made it bad.

I still don't like Kandi and the bedsheet on her head.

I think Phaedra was angry at Kandi and Todd because she felt they took Apollo's side in the Apollo/Phaedra conflict.  I think Phaedra wanted to hurt Kandi deeply and knew that Porsha was silly and gullible enough to buy what Phaedra was selling.

This. 

 

Phaedra is a lying liar that lies, but I still don't like Kandi. Porsha, you are too damn old to just repeat shit. I'm parroting a damn thing. Phaedra was ok with me up until today, but I still wouldn't go repeating anything that she said. Porsha needed a storyline and Phaedra gave her one with her lies. 

[sunsheyen]

39 minutes ago, Maccagirl said:

That's what I am wondering as well.  After hearing so much speculation about it, I thought it would be brought up/revealed tonight and that would be another stone thrown at Phakedra.    Does anyone here know anything more about the possible "forged" cease and desist letter?t

Edited May 8, 2017 by sunsheyen

[drivethroo]

10 minutes ago, Maccagirl said:

That's what I am wondering as well.  After hearing so much speculation about it, I thought it would be brought up/revealed tonight and that would be another stone thrown at Phakedra.    Does anyone here know anything more about the possible "forged" cease and desist letter?

I think if Phaedra HAD faked a cease & desist, Kandi would've been like "I ain't send you no cease & desist" when Porsha brought it up, unless BRAVO edited it out.  I don't see why BRAVO would edit it out because that would be one more juicy lie of Phaedra's to expose.  So I'm guessing Kandi did hit Porsha up with the cease & desist since a) Porsha works on Dish Nation and could've spread those lies via Dish Nation and b) Porsha was the only one airing it out on TV.

Kenya herself is not the cause of Phaedra telling lies, but Phaedra's lies about Kenya being revealed to Kandi is what started the end of the Kandi/Phaedra relationship.  It's not Kandi/Todd taking Apollo's side that was the beginning of the end for Kandi/Phaedra, it was Kandi learning Phaedra & Apollo lied on Kenya and had the rest of the cast repeating the lie that was the beginning of the end Kandi/Phaedra, IMO.  Because Kandi immediately was like "We were wrong, we lied on Kenya & we need to apologize."

Kandi apologized to Kenya.  Phaedra did not appreciate that.  Phaedra to this day still keeps up the lies that Kenya was fooling around with Apollo.

Look, anytime most of the cast is taking a career criminal's side over yours, something is shady about YOU.

Edited May 8, 2017 by drivethroo

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

This is totally what happened.

Phaedra didn't expect the bitch to go off and use their Kiking private Frick and Frack moments of shade as ammo against Kandi.

Actually if you think about it, I'm sure Phaedrah's thought process was bitch you ain't supposed to tell anyone what I told you in our gossip, shade, girls night, wine drinking moments. That's another thing about Porsha that's so stupid. You know how many times I've gotten stuck biting my tongue wanting to drag a bitch and let her know about herself because of shit I know for a fact cause I got all the tea told to me WITH receipts but I wasn't about to break confidences. I'm friends with all 3 of my son's fathers sisters. But I'm closest with one in particular like we hang, we chill, we throw shade, the works and we kiki all the time about her two other sisters whom I've fallen in and out of favor with on occassion but never would I ever use the million and one things I've gotten from their sister (and their brother too mind you cause me and him are still extra cool, we share a son after all) as ammo. Hell I've had to bite my tongue about shit that I knew they were lying to my face about because I had no way to explain how I came across the information. Or letting info slip would automatically tip them off on who told me.  Phaedrah was supposed to be her good friend so tell me why Porsha broke their confidence. Porsha was messy and Phaedra wasn't gonna say a word cause Porsha was the one that broke gossip rule number 1! Shit said between us STAYS between us. Duh!!!!

In this case, I would definitely say that Porsha was being messy. She brought up the situation not because she wanted to genuinely address it with Kandi, she only brought it up to throw a low blow Kandi's way (or several low blows because she launched at lot of accusations at her in that sit down). Generally speaking, if a friend tells me that someone has said something about me that threatens my security and/or well-being, I don't think it's shady for me to take that information and addressed with that other person and I would think that my friend would be sharing this information with me, not as mere gossip at the expense of someone else, but out of honest concern for me, therefore not holding it against me that I would probe further into the matter. I don't think Phaedra proved much of a friend to begin with by involving Porsha in a lie for no reason other than to satisfy her own contempt for Kandi.

Porsha's stupidity was the best thing to happen to this season because I've been waiting a long time for the fall of Phaedra. And I don't feel bad for Phaedra, she decided to build her army with a soldier that she has admitted on several occasions, Porsha ain't very bright. Porsha has zero thought process. She thought she was protecting her friend by not naming her as a source when Kandi asked but believing that Phaedra was telling the truth about Kandi, by simply spilling the beans to Kandi, you had theoretically outed her source because Kandi would have known who she told that stuff to and who would be most likely to take it back to Porsha's front door.

I think Phaedra thought she could have the best of both worlds. Porsha shared that damaging information on screen and Porsha wouldn't out her as the source of that information. The reason I think that is because Phaedra could have somewhat kept up her lie and controlling Porsha's continued reaction to the gossip. If she had pulled Porsha aside off camera and said 'hey, all this talk about drugs and sex dungeons is going too far. Maybe I wasn't clear but I really do think Kandi's comments were meant as a joke and when I shared that information with you, I didn't so with any real concern to your well being. I just fear you constantly bringing this up is going to make you look bad....'. She could have coached Porsha on what to say and likely avoided an entire season of this conversation.

[byrd]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I haven't posted since several episodes before the finale. This show has just gotten to me this year. Too dark. I'd halfway watch, not wanting to fully commit. Now that all parts have concluded, I just want to say - I am done with Phaedra. She used to be one of my favorites. I never thought she was an amazing person or anything, but at one point I did think she was a good mom and a good friend and just fun to watch. Even after her falling out with Kandi, I didn't think she was necessarily a bad friend. I just figured they both fucked up and couldn't find a way to repair it. 

After seeing how all of this has played out, I believe she is just a horrible, vile, evil person. There is something sociopathic about the way she can lie and sit there so calmly and let other people take the heat. Porsha is no angel herself. No matter WHERE the rumors came from, she should never have brought them up publicly like that. I'm not a huge Kandi fan, but she didn't deserve that. But, I will say, I think Porsha was largely a victim of her own stupidity (let's face it, girl ain't playing with a full set) and Phaedra's machinations. 

I think Porsha truly cared about Phaedra. Phaedra has proven she cares about no one but herself. She completely 100% used Porsha to get back at Kandi. That is abundantly clear to now. Even with it all out there, she STILL wouldn't take complete ownership. She kept up with that "I shouldn't have repeated it" crap. REPEATED it. Everyone knew full well that the rumors came from her and when you are staring the truth in the face and still can't fess up.....something is really wrong with you. 

I don't follow these girls in real life. I just hope that these two are not friends again. Porsha would be even more stupid than I thought to trust her again. Phaedra is just bad news. All around. 

I did not understand why she kept saying 'REPEATED?? Phaedra, you straight up lied girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[byrd]

8 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

In this case, I would definitely say that Porsha was being messy. She brought up the situation not because she wanted to genuinely address it with Kandi, she only brought it up to throw a low blow Kandi's way (or several low blows because she launched at lot of accusations at her in that sit down). Generally speaking, if a friend tells me that someone has said something about me that threatens my security and/or well-being, I don't think it's shady for me to take that information and addressed with that other person and I would think that my friend would be sharing this information with me, not as mere gossip at the expense of someone else, but out of honest concern for me, therefore not holding it against me that I would probe further into the matter. I don't think Phaedra proved much of a friend to begin with by involving Porsha in a lie for no reason other than to satisfy her own contempt for Kandi.

Porsha's stupidity was the best thing to happen to this season because I've been waiting a long time for the fall of Phaedra. And I don't feel bad for Phaedra, she decided to build her army with a soldier that she has admitted on several occasions, Porsha ain't very bright. Porsha has zero thought process. She thought she was protecting her friend by not naming her as a source when Kandi asked but believing that Phaedra was telling the truth about Kandi, by simply spilling the beans to Kandi, you had theoretically outed her source because Kandi would have known who she told that stuff to and who would be most likely to take it back to Porsha's front door.

I think Phaedra thought she could have the best of both worlds. Porsha shared that damaging information on screen and Porsha wouldn't out her as the source of that information. The reason I think that is because Phaedra could have somewhat kept up her lie and controlling Porsha's continued reaction to the gossip. If she had pulled Porsha aside off camera and said 'hey, all this talk about drugs and sex dungeons is going too far. Maybe I wasn't clear but I really do think Kandi's comments were meant as a joke and when I shared that information with you, I didn't so with any real concern to your well being. I just fear you constantly bringing this up is going to make you look bad....'. She could have coached Porsha on what to say and likely avoided an entire season of this conversation.

Yes, so on point ! I am not a Shamea fan, but you could clearly see how hurt she was when Porsha failed to defend her . Everything about Phaedra proved to be true, all of Shamea's warnings to Porsha have come to pass, now maybe Porsha will wake up and smell the coffee . Phaedra had numerous occasions to shut this down , but she continued to let Porsha look like a complete ass. I honestly believe that Porsha really trusted Phaedra as a good friend, she's vulnerable that way , so sorry Phaedra let her down.

[CaughtOnTape]

Wow, I never expected that from Phaedra.  I don't pay enough attention to these women to know what they say this time vs. that time so all of this was pretty shocking to me.  It was a little creepy to see her non-reaction and the fact that she just sat there.  If I were Porsha I'd stay the hell away from her for good.  She still never took up and said "Yes, I did say it."  she still kept trying to deflect.

I have a friend who is doing the same type of thing to me right now.  She was selfish and jealous and so I ended the friendship and we still run in the same circles so I hear some of the things she's been saying about me.  All of it is just a smoke screen because she can't handle that she fucked up and I don't want anything to do with her anymore.  My whole outlook has changed on Kandi now.  I don't think she had anything to do with her and Phaedra's friendship crumbling.  I think she was blindsided by the rage and betrayal that seemed to hit out of nowhere because suddenly Phaedra felt like she'd been slighted.  For whatever reason, Phaedra has it in for Kandi.  If she was smart, she'd just cut all ties and move on.  Because this has reached dangerous levels now.  Phaedra has come after her on a dark level and once someone goes there you need to completely end everything.  That's a stalker kind of scary.

I wouldn't be shocked if Kandi leaves the show now.  Not because she's done anything wrong but for the safety of her family.

[byrd]

1 hour ago, byrd said:

If it's true, I think it could be a combination of all of it.. Lol !!

 

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

Is that the PR whispers Phaedra is putting out? "I'm leaving because my parents asked me to" vs "I'm not going to be asked back?" LOL. 

Phaedra has lied about her due date, taken payments in cash in the parking lot, complimented strippers on their shave-ups, twerked with her booty meat hanging all out around other women's husbands, lied on Kenya, been accused of sleeping with Apollo on an air mattress in the projects with the ankle bracelet on (fresh out of prison), been accused of being the Head Doctor, undergone a nasty divorce from a convicted felon but THIS is what makes her parents say "Baby, you need to leave the show?" 

Also keep in mind that in spite of what Phaedra has done in the past ( your list ) this is another thing that could land her in jail, I am sure her parents are aware of the seriousness of these accusations.

[cooksdelight]

If there was ever any doubt that Phaedra is a shitty attorney (ask Sheree), this episode proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.

(I can use big legal words too, Phaedra!)

Edited May 8, 2017 by cooksdelight

[drivethroo]

7 minutes ago, CaughtOnTape said:

I wouldn't be shocked if Kandi leaves the show now.  Not because she's done anything wrong but for the safety of her family.

It won't be Kandi that's leaving,  It will be PHAEDRA that's got to go.

 

6 minutes ago, byrd said:

Also keep in mind that in spite of what Phaedra has done in the past ( your list ) this is another thing that could land her in jail, I am sure her parents are aware of the seriousness of these accusations.

It would be in Phaedra's best interests to go.  Because once your lying lottery ticket has been punched, everyone else starts to pile on with their receipts.

Porsha will recover from this and get a redemption storyline next year.  I think most cast members (including Kandi) would film with Porsha.  I don't think anyone will film with Phaedra from now on. That's why Andy asked in the viewer poll if the viewers thought the women would let Phaedra back into the circle and the poll was like 93% NO.

Phaedra is finished.  Phaedra played dirty and for the wrong team. She's by herself. She has half of the current cast against her and the other half will be on their team.  The two cast members rumored to be returning dont' want anything to do with her either.  Plus if they return, BRAVO will need some money to pay them and what better way to free up some money for their salaries than by cutting Phaedra?

Bye, girl.  Girl, bye.

Edited May 8, 2017 by drivethroo

[byrd]

1 minute ago, CaughtOnTape said:

Wow, I never expected that from Phaedra.  I don't pay enough attention to these women to know what they say this time vs. that time so all of this was pretty shocking to me.  It was a little creepy to see her non-reaction and the fact that she just sat there.  If I were Porsha I'd stay the hell away from her for good.  She still never took up and said "Yes, I did say it."  she still kept trying to deflect.

I have a friend who is doing the same type of thing to me right now.  She was selfish and jealous and so I ended the friendship and we still run in the same circles so I hear some of the things she's been saying about me.  All of it is just a smoke screen because she can't handle that she fucked up and I don't want anything to do with her anymore.  My whole outlook has changed on Kandi now.  I don't think she had anything to do with her and Phaedra's friendship crumbling.  I think she was blindsided by the rage and betrayal that seemed to hit out of nowhere because suddenly Phaedra felt like she'd been slighted.  For whatever reason, Phaedra has it in for Kandi.  If she was smart, she'd just cut all ties and move on.  Because this has reached dangerous levels now.  Phaedra has come after her on a dark level and once someone goes there you need to completely end everything.  That's a stalker kind of scary.

I wouldn't be shocked if Kandi leaves the show now.  Not because she's done anything wrong but for the safety of her family.

Kandi will be okay. I don't see her leaving the show, but I do see Phaedra leaving because she has burned all of her bridges on the how. Even if Nene returns and Kim , I honestly don't believe any of them want to film with her anymore.   

Just now, drivethroo said:

It won't be Kandi that's leaving,  It will be PHAEDRA that's got to go.

 

It would be in Phaedra's best interests to go.  Because once your lying lottery ticket has been punched, everyone else starts to pile on with their receipts.

Porsha will recover from this and get a redemption storyline next year.  I think most cast members (including Kandi) would film with Porsha.  I don't think anyone will film with Phaedra from now on. That's why Andy asked in the viewer poll if the viewers thought the women would let Phaedra back into the circle and the poll was like 93% NO.

Phaedra is finished.

Yes !  I saw that and you know when they poll that way , it means something. Same thing happened to Brandi on RHOBH , she became to toxic, Jill from RHONC , same thing..

[sasha206]

11 hours ago, queenjen said:

I see a time in the future, 20 years from now or so, when this footage will be shown to bring Phaedra down after pulling another shady scam. I see her going into politics or religion and doing exactly what she's been doing with Porsha to get at Kandi. And she will sit there and dissimulate just like she is on this reunion. 

I think she'll eventually find herself in jail from some shady dealing.  

[sasha206]

10 hours ago, RealReality said:

So its the same to laugh about someone as it is to make up lies about how they are a rapist?  I can't see that.

Especially when it wasn't Kandi, but her mother and employees who made fun of Phaedra.  Phaedra has shittalked Kandi equally or worse for years, and Kandi hasn't said anything.  Now she is obligated to stop her mother and her friends from making fun of a woman who is constantly belittling her and her husband?  That doesn't make any sense to me.  The fact that Kandi, herself, kept Phaedra's secrets even when Phaedra was shittalking her is more than I would have done.

And it just goes to show how deep and painful those lies cut, because there are always people, not just you, who will believe the worse, even after someone admits that they lied.

Exactly. Mama Joyce is an asshole, but she didn't start shit talking Phaedra until Phaedra was being an asshole to her daughter.  And I think like most people who watched Apollo go to jail for the 2nd time, she knows Phaedra isn't pure as the driven snow.  Probably just smart enough not to leave trails.  And then she promises the people serving time big money when they get out.

[islandgal140]

1 hour ago, RealReality said:

Phaedra isn't that smart, but she is 10x smarter than Apollo.  I mean, Phaedra had relatively little to lose by using Dummy Porsha as a shield, and it would have worked had the dummy just kept her mouth shut.  I can only imagine the hoops she jumped through before using dumbass Apollo as her shield for whatever financial shenanigans she was planning.  

This just reminds me of the ending to every Scooby Doo cartoon ever made. Now I can't help but picture Porsha pulling the mask off Phaedra's head and Phaedra saying "I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that dumb ass Porsha!"

Only difference here is the face under the mask is scarier than the mask itself.

[Apprentice79]

29 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

It won't be Kandi that's leaving,  It will be PHAEDRA that's got to go.

 

It would be in Phaedra's best interests to go.  Because once your lying lottery ticket has been punched, everyone else starts to pile on with their receipts.

Porsha will recover from this and get a redemption storyline next year.  I think most cast members (including Kandi) would film with Porsha.  I don't think anyone will film with Phaedra from now on. That's why Andy asked in the viewer poll if the viewers thought the women would let Phaedra back into the circle and the poll was like 93% NO.

Phaedra is finished.

Phaedra is a piece of sh...t...She is a vile human being and she makes me a bit sympathetic to her felonious husband. It puts things in perspective for me. I remember how contemptuous he was of her and downright abusive to her at their son's birthday party. I am not excusing his shitty behavior, but, it gives it new meaning, in hindsight. He must have known the real Phaedra and not the fake image of genteel southern belle act, that she has tried to put on for years. Even Nene was right in calling her Fakedra...I hope that  we never see her again on TV.  I could see her on a show with that Iyanla vanzant, in an effort to rehabilitate her image, like Evelyne Lozada did, after her horrific run on Basketball Wives. Another vile creature. Reality tv brings the worst of the worst. 

Kenya was awesome and after what she went through with both Phaedra and Porsha, I had no problem with her comments against them.  I do believe that she and Porsha will clash again in the future. There is too much bad blood between them. 

Cynthia is absolutely gorgeous. She was a poetry in motion. I hope that she keeps uncle Ben far away from her. She is too beautiful for that creep.

I am team Kandi and I love her.  I am so happy that she was vindicated last night.  She has a good heart and I do believe that she was a good friend to Phaedra. 

I know that I am alone in this, but, I think that Porsha is a lost soul trying to find some type of validation from others.  She seems to be very susceptible to people's influences. First, it was when she was a part of the church denouncing Gay people. Then, it was her ex-husband who used her and made her a submissive housewife and then she fell for the evil machinations of Phaedra. I feel a twinge of sympathy for her.  I wish that she would take a little time and get herself right.  She should do her best to make amends with Kandi. They will never be friends again, but, sometimes in life, you have to learn from the mistakes of a failed relationship, in order to, do better in another.  She should reconnect with Shamea, who loves her and has her back.  Shamea always had her  best interest at heart and warned her repeatedly to stay away from Phaedra.

Edited May 8, 2017 by Apprentice79

[LIMOM]

Besides shaking her ass in lingerie, Mizz Parks Esq is feeling just fine...

Edited May 8, 2017 by LIMOM

[jaync]

The Lies! THE LIES! Best reunion show since RHoNJ S2.

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Although I am familiar with the name Angela Stanton and vaguely know that Angela was accusing Phae of some nasty stuff, I never paid no never real mind to it.

Same here. But, now? Shit's on the summer reading list!

[drivethroo]

7 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

I could see her on a show with that Iyanla vanzant, in an effort to rehabilitate her image, like Evelyne Lozada did, after her horrific run on Basketball Wives. Another vile creature. Reality tv brings the worst of the worst. 

I would love to see Iyanla calling Phaedra a vile GUTTERSNIPE.

 

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She should reconnect with Shamea, who loves her and has her back.  Shamea always had her  best interest at heart and warned her repeatedly to stay away from Phaedra.

Shamea should keep Porsha at arm's length.  Porsha was willing to toss her childhood friendship with Shamea away and run down Kandi (whom she never had a problem with) to kiki with Phaedra.

 

2 minutes ago, jaync said:

Although I am familiar with the name Angela Stanton and vaguely know that Angela was accusing Phae of some nasty stuff, I never paid no never real mind to it.

Still loved how Kandi was like "That would be like me bringing that lady who wrote that book about you, whatser name? Angela Stanton?  That would be like me bringing Angela Stanton on, whose book is on Amazon & Barnes & Noble, to talk about YOU."

Well played!

[Apprentice79]

1 minute ago, drivethroo said:

Shamea should keep Porsha at arm's length.  Porsha was willing to toss her childhood friendship with Shamea away and run down Kandi (whom she never had a problem with) to kiki with Phaedra.

I think it is part of Porsha's personality. She seems to align herself with people that she deems to be above her. She gave Phaedra the benefit of the doubt because she is an attorney, more educated and accomplished than her. It is almost like she wants acceptance from people that she feels that are better than her.  I am not saying that Shamea should not be wary of her, but, Shamea going to comfort her, despite their estrangement, over that bitch Fakedra, was endearing to me.

[BBHN]

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please, if I have to hear about Porsha's 4 businesses I never heard of, and her sitting on a golden goose nest egg of money I'll have to go all juvial on the time sector scale.

Just make sure you don't go asunder if you do...

[byrd]

32 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

Phaedra is a piece of sh...t...She is a vile human being and she makes me a bit sympathetic to her felonious husband. It puts things in perspective for me. I remember how contemptuous he was of her and downright abusive to her at their son's birthday party. I am not excusing his shitty behavior, but, it gives it new meaning, in hindsight. He must have known the real Phaedra and not the fake image of genteel southern belle act, that she has tried to put on for years. Even Nene was right in calling her Fakedra...I hope that  we never see her again on TV.  I could see her on a show with that Iyanla vanzant, in an effort to rehabilitate her image, like Evelyne Lozada did, after her horrific run on Basketball Wives. Another vile creature. Reality tv brings the worst of the worst. 

Kenya was awesome and after what she went through with both Phaedra and Porsha, I had no problem with her comments against them.  I do believe that she and Porsha will clash again in the future. There is too much bad blood between them. 

Cynthia is absolutely gorgeous. She was a poetry in motion. I hope that she keeps uncle Ben far away from her. She is too beautiful for that creep.

I am team Kandi and I love her.  I am so happy that she was vindicated last night.  She has a good heart and I do believe that she was a good friend to Phaedra. 

I know that I am alone in this, but, I think that Porsha is a lost soul trying to find some type of validation from others.  She seems to be very susceptible to people's influences. First, it was when she was a part of the church denouncing Gay people. Then, it was her ex-husband who used her and made her a submissive housewife and then she fell for the evil machinations of Phaedra. I feel a twinge of sympathy for her.  I wish that she would take a little time and get herself right.  She should do her best to make amends with Kandi. They will never be friends again, but, sometimes in life, you have to learn from the mistakes of a failed relationship, in order to, do better in another.  She should reconnect with Shamea, who loves her and has her back.  Shamea always had her  best interest at heart and warned her repeatedly to stay away from Phaedra.

Porsha is very vulnerable..

[Rosiejuliemom]

23 minutes ago, jaync said:

Same here. But, now? Shit's on the summer reading list!

I bought it last night. I also bought Sheree's novel. I'm not even ashamed. I'm in the middle of some fairly dense, heartbreaking material right now, so I'm going to need some trashy, palate-cleansing, light reading in a minute. 

[Juliegirlj]

Something about this seems off to me. Maybe I am being obtuse, but, Porsha was laying it on so thick, crying with no tears, and at one point she inserted "of course" into a sentence, and it seemed so rehearsed. 

Phaedra is a cold, nasty woman, but her lack of emotion was bizarre. Not even a hint of embarrassment. She and Kandi were very good, real friends at one point,and in a previous confrontation between them awhile back they were both crying, so for Phaedra to be so devoid of any kind of emotion does not ring true to me. 

Could this entire conflict be producer driven ? The whole thing is bizarre to me. 

[ridethemaverick]

I'll never be team Kandi in general because I think she was a shitty friend and I hate all her employees and family BUT this was very satisfying. The feeling I got when Porsha threw Phaedra under the bus at the last second last week and then this episode...it was worth the hype. First time I can say that about a reunion.

[psychoticstate]

16 hours ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

Phaedra was caught red handed.

 

For someone who is a lawyer, I was surprised at how little she did to mitigate the damage this would do to her reputation. There is no defense but damn, girl. What happened to thinking on your feet. Her defense was so damn, she should fire herself. 

I agree.  For an attorney, she had zero comebacks and absolutely no game.  She clearly was taken off guard because we've certainly seen her with comebacks in the past.  I'm guessing she thought she had dummy Porsha so tightly wrapped around her finger that Porsha wouldn't be able to connect the dots and realize she'd been a patsy. 

Phaedra has probably (and should have) done untold damage to whatever professional reputation she had left. 

12 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Phaedra's silence was her undoing.  No reason to pay the woman to sit there like a bump on a log when she is asked questions. Oh yeah and she totally misrepresented the status of the lawsuit she filed against Angela Stanton.  She didn't win, it was dismissed with prejudice.  Phaedra can never file against the woman again based on the representations Angela made in her book.  Book was never not for sale, Phaedra just screwed with the woman trying to keep her from publishing.  At some point Phaedra, as an attorney, needs to be held accountable for misrepresenting court rulings.

Congrats to Cynthia for speaking up-and she looked gorgeous on her 50th.

Truth.  Sitting there in silence reeks of guilt.  Even Andy gave her an out.  Admit that you were pissed at Kandi and acted a child (and fool) by making up rumors to hurt her.  Being the attorney she is, though, she should have realized that Kandi could very well sue her for defamation . . .and definitely should.  Her lies were vicious and they most certainly could have negatively impacted Kandi's businesses.  It's one thing to suggest that she's sleeping with someone; it's quite another to say that she and her husband are rapists.  Hell, Todd should sue Phaedra too.  That shit is not cool. 

I almost felt sympathetic for Porsha, realizing that she'd been completely and totally played.  But then I remembered how vile and full of herself she was all season and nope.  Not sorry. 

Cynthia looks amazing.  Keep rocking 50, girl. 

51 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

I am team Kandi and I love her.  I am so happy that she was vindicated last night.  She has a good heart and I do believe that she was a good friend to Phaedra.

Amen.  I'm right there with you. Love Kandi, always have.

[zoeysmom]

Porsha's problem is she has all this false bravado in throwing out the shade and when it comes back to bite her in the ass, she cries and talks of being taken advantage of and looks for someone to blame.  When she beat Kenya's ass, she was screaming about how she embarrassed herself.  I guess last night she finally apologized to Kenya, for doing Phaedra's (and Nene's) bidding during that Reunion. 

Porsha can't have it both ways throwing out smelly vagina insults and then cowering when it is revealed she is complicit is passing out gossip.  Peter and Todd were fairly real in their responses to the poor little stupid Porsha routine.  She jumps in with both feet, kikis. throws shade and comes up with the "tea" from blog sites that are totally unreliable.  Giving malicious gossip cute names doesn't change the tenor of the crap she is regurgitating. Now she can blame big bad attorney Phaedra.  Kandi said it best, there was no reason for Porsha to turn on her.  Regardless of the Phaedra "talking" to other men while Apollo was preparing to go to prison, who cares?  Fake Phaedra, she wants to have her hat in every world.  The intellectual attorney, center stage for funerals, dutiful wife of an inmate, charitable Phaedra, single mother and now it is about Phaedra moving on.    Bye-bye.

I don't really see Cynthia, Kenya and Kandi making room on their couch for Phaedra anytime soon.  Sheree seems to have a place if she really has something to bring to the show.  Her days of being the secondary gossip monger are probably being retired. 

I think it is time for Porsha to take a couple of seasons, if not forever off of RHOA.   

[ridethemaverick]

10 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Something about this seems off to me. Maybe I am being obtuse, but, Porsha was laying it on so thick, crying with no tears, and at one point she inserted "of course" into a sentence, and it seemed so rehearsed. 

Phaedra is a cold, nasty woman, but her lack of emotion was bizarre. Not even a hint of embarrassment. She and Kandi were very good, real friends at one point,and in a previous confrontation between them awhile back they were both crying, so for Phaedra to be so devoid of any kind of emotion does not ring true to me. 

Could this entire conflict be producer driven ? The whole thing is bizarre to me. 

It crossed my mind. For someone as ditzy as Porsha (I like her, but facts are facts), she was remarkably prepared and crystal clear on what was said, when it was said, and how it was said, and she was ready with receipts if Phaedra didn't come clean. I did see tears but initially she was definitely acting. And for Phaedra to be that calm...I've never seen a poker face like that.

I guess it makes sense if you account for Phaedra's shock that Porsha exposed and outsmarted her, especially since she gave no clues that she was anything but loyal up until that point. 

[LucyHoneychrrch]

MAN, this reunion delivered.   

Phaedra was deliberately staying quiet and talking in circles to avoid a defamation suit, I imagine.  Because if I was Kandi, I'd probably sue her ass off.   Phaedra will never admit culpability because then she has an admission out there on video.  A civil suit would be a cinch.

In other news, I want to be Cynthia when I grow up.  That woman is so unspeakably beautiful. 

[WireWrap]

4 hours ago, LIMOM said:

It seems like anger management is working after all. Porsha 2016 would have pulled that delicious wig.

Now if she could only go back to fifth grade. 

Restoration is the word..

Baby steps, baby steps!

[drivethroo]

Porsha started collecting her receipts when she got that cease & desist letter from Kandi.  Her defense was going to be that Phaedra told her what Kandi had told Phaedra.  When she said "Well lemme give the floor to Phaedra because she's the one who told ME," Porsha probably figured Phaedra would clap back on Kandi by revealing that Kandi had told Phaedra that she was planning on drugging and raping Porsha.

But when Phaedra sat up there deaf, dumb and mute, Porsha realized that Phaedra was letting her take the heat for someting PHAEDRA did, so it was receipt time.

She also realized what Kandi, Kenya & Shamea had been telling her was true, that Phaedra was using her as a pawn and when you find out somebody you care about has been betraying you and would still be betraying you had they not been exposed, it's a very devastating feeling.

Phaedra stayed quiet because she didn't want to be served papers by Kandi.  However, Phaedra NEVER would've admitted total guilt.  She still insists that Kenya was coming after Apollo all day and night, even after Apollo admitted it wasn't true (at least about Kenya...he was probably with Sherien).

 

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Or did Carlos King told Phaedra the sex stuff and then turned around and let Porsha know what was going to go down and set Phaedra up?

I think Carlos King told Phaedra the Marvin stuff, Phaedra came up with the Kandi/drugs stuff on her own but BRAVO cropped out all references to Phaedra saying Carlos King told her the Marvin stuff, making Phaedra look crazy for saying "I shouldnt' have repeated it" (referring to what Carlos told her)...the viewer is left with the impression that Phaedra is crazy for saying she shouldnt' have repeated something she made up.

Phaedra is done.  BRAVO had her sitting up there looking every bit the fool she set Porsha up to be.

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[LIMOM]

23 minutes ago, ridethemaverick said:

It crossed my mind. For someone as ditzy as Porsha (I like her, but facts are facts), she was remarkably prepared and crystal clear on what was said, when it was said, and how it was said, and she was ready with receipts if Phaedra didn't come clean. I did see tears but initially she was definitely acting. And for Phaedra to be that calm...I've never seen a poker face like that.

I guess it makes sense if you account for Phaedra's shock that Porsha exposed and outsmarted her, especially since she gave no clues that she was anything but loyal up until that point. 

Porsha's side tear was weird.

if this was completely producer driven, wouldn't Phaedra come up with a better come back and demeanor?

Or did Carlos King told Phaedra the sex stuff and then turned around and let Porsha know what was going to go down and set Phaedra up?

Weird.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

I would love to see Iyanla calling Phaedra a vile GUTTERSNIPE.

 

Shamea should keep Porsha at arm's length.  Porsha was willing to toss her childhood friendship with Shamea away and run down Kandi (whom she never had a problem with) to kiki with Phaedra.

 

Still loved how Kandi was like "That would be like me bringing that lady who wrote that book about you, whatser name? Angela Stanton?  That would be like me bringing Angela Stanton on, whose book is on Amazon & Barnes & Noble, to talk about YOU."

Well played!

Yeah and still some will say that was dirty of Kandi. In the midst the of the grime Kandi was in the middle of defending herself against people still expect her to play fair and not tout out some meaningful points and examples to clap back with. And it sounded like she had been approached and it wasn't just a hypothetical. It sounds like she actually did turn away an attempt like that by someone in the Stanton camp. I could be wrong but now I'm wondering if something like that actually happened.

[drivethroo]

8 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

And it sounded like she had been approached and it wasn't just a hypothetical. It sounds like she actually did turn away an attempt like that by someone in the Stanton camp. I could be wrong but now I'm wondering if something like that actually happened.

It happened.  Kenya also said this Angela Stanton person approached HER as well.

[RHJunkie]

26 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Something about this seems off to me. Maybe I am being obtuse, but, Porsha was laying it on so thick, crying with no tears, and at one point she inserted "of course" into a sentence, and it seemed so rehearsed. 

Phaedra is a cold, nasty woman, but her lack of emotion was bizarre. Not even a hint of embarrassment. She and Kandi were very good, real friends at one point,and in a previous confrontation between them awhile back they were both crying, so for Phaedra to be so devoid of any kind of emotion does not ring true to me. 

Could this entire conflict be producer driven ? The whole thing is bizarre to me. 

Phaedra is stupid but not so stupid to wilt into a pool and confess all of her lies. She spoke in circles to avoid speaking more lies to cover up the other lies she had already told. I think Phaedra's stoicism was purely her instincts taking over. After all the shit Phaedra had said, there was no going back with Kandi. To show emotion would have been an admission of guilt and an act of vulnerability - none of which would have done her any good and she likely knows it and chosen to not waste her tears. Don't think Phaedra really cares about anything outside of herself, her children and her parents.

Now, I could believe that perhaps producers influenced Porsha's decision to call out Phaedra and have her answer for the rumours that she started. And I'm guessing that if Porsha wasn't served with a cease and desist, there's a possibility that she never calls out Phaedra to speak up on her behalf.

[Yours Truly]

15 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

It happened.  Kenya also said this Angela Stanton person approached HER as well.

That's right... Yeah.. So here we have an actual situation where Kandi refused to allow that sort of thing infiltrate the show. (Well up until mentioning it at the reunion...)She knows that the show can be a dangerous breeding ground. I think Kandi really tries to respect the boundary of the show being for entertainment not to air dirty laundry and go all in like the others end up being seduced into. Problem is when they sell their souls they tend to drag the one's not there for that down as their prey. That's my biggest pet peeve with some of the women on this show. We all get you have to "bring it" but that doesn't mean you HAVE to go for the low hanging fruit and make it yours to expose on the show ala Rinna/Kim. Brandi/Adrienne.

Kandi doesn't use the show as an opportunity to get back at cast members causing real world damage in their lives overall.  The one's that use the show this way are the one's I truly despise.

And now Angie Stanton name has been reintroduced...

I read up on her way back and it didn't seem to gain any traction back then and surprisingly her name faded away. I thought there would be way more to come out of that cause what I read up on was interesting and ooooohhhhhh chileeee.  Some of that shit seemed really really plausible as well so I was surprised it pretty much went away but hell I'm happy Kandi got that buzz going about Stanton. If nothing else it will cause people to revisit Phaedrah's possible role in it all and I ain't mad at her. Oh well!

Edited May 8, 2017 by Yours Truly

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

I would love to see Iyanla calling Phaedra a vile GUTTERSNIPE.

 

Shamea should keep Porsha at arm's length.  Porsha was willing to toss her childhood friendship with Shamea away and run down Kandi (whom she never had a problem with) to kiki with Phaedra.

 

Still loved how Kandi was like "That would be like me bringing that lady who wrote that book about you, whatser name? Angela Stanton?  That would be like me bringing Angela Stanton on, whose book is on Amazon & Barnes & Noble, to talk about YOU."

Well played!

SO well played!! I was laughing so hard when she said that, lol.

Phaedra got off the hook from really explaining herself in the Johnny situation as well. She claimed that she and Johnny are not friends or real acquaintances, so when you referred him to another lawyer because his case was not in your area of expertise, on what grounds did you decide to accept Jonny's request of accompanying him to his meetings? You ain't his friend, his acquaintance or his lawyer...why did you think it was in good taste to attend the meeting with him AND provide add commentary that shaded Kandi and in support of Johnny's case? As much of the pile on Phaedra got, that shit was just scraping the top of the barrel of lies and shade that Phaedra has been involved in, lol.

[HunterHunted]

I was incensed by Phaedra's final apology. Phaedra turns to Porsha and apologizes and then gives this half assed apology to Kandi and said Kandi being hurt was collateral damage. Nope! Hell to the naw naw naw. Kandi being hurt was the primary purpose. Phaedra can try to couch it and pretend like she meant something different, but she has never been that slick. We see who she is. She is a nasty duplicitous malicious vindictive asshole. She meant to hurt Kandi. She meant to ruin Kandi and Todd. Porsha was the collateral damage. Phaedra can cover her legs with prayer cloths, hold restoration services, and go to church 5 times a week, but it'll never do her any good because she's rotted from the inside out.

Even if Kandi was a bad friend who put some of Phaedra's business out on the street, nothing Kandi did warranted the nuclear option. Phaedra is like Kim Jong Un. Her reactions are disproportionate to the offense. He has an uncle who falls asleep in a meeting or laughs at a joke he didn't think was funny, he has the uncle killed by anti-aircraft guns or eaten by attack dogs. Kandi told people that Phaedra was already interested in a new guy, the appropriate level of response is maybe spill some tea about Kandi and Todd having threesomes. You don't make up some craziness about Kandi raping people. The Fuck?!?!?! Even if you're mad at Kandi, you don't say shit like that because 1. It's not true and is fucking awful and 2. this kind of shit negatively impacts people's families. This shit is probably circulating among Riley's and Kaela's circles. If Riley's lost friends because their parents didn't want their child around Kandi, Phaedra needs to know what her dirty has wrought.

Phaedra is a malevolent sociopath and I now believe the things Angela Stanton has said about Phaedra. Phaedra hurts people with no regard to anything or anyone else. This who she is. This what she does.

[LIMOM]

Wendy williams 's theory is that Phaedra is actually angry that they sided with Apollo in the divorce and hid his stuff in the garage.

she also thinks that Phaedra will get a raise and be back.