S09.E01: Talk of the Town

[thefog]

Tom has shown himself to be a cheat, a liar and jerk.  But LuAnn can't see that - or admit it.  Instead she makes excuses and blames others for being jealous.   LuAnn has never been a girl's girl.  She is someone who needs a man in her life - regardless of how they treat her. I don't think she has enough self respect for herself otherwise.

This storyline has been milk to death.  We already know how it ends.  I am not interested a long drawn out season on BORING wedding prep.

[pbutler111]

6 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

She may not have had plastic surgery, but her face is barely movable these days and clearly filled with injectibles.  She doesn't look like this same person she did when the show started.  

I do love her hair and I think she looks great but she needs to ease up on the injectibles because it is giving her face the Mama Elsa look.

Okay, I just pulled it up again to see if I was missing something, and I just don't see it.  I don't think she's done or injected anything.

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, Trooper York said:

Actually Carole definitely resembles a ho.

One you would find in a derlict barn in the Berkshires.

Long and skinny with lots of uneven teeth.

That?  Is just a cheap rake with some broken tines.  Know thine garden implements.

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, biakbiak said:

They were married for 13 years, not three. 

I found it interesting that Carole didn't feel the need to talk about the election with Dorinda given Dorinda's connections to HRC perhaps Carole felt that Dorinda might actual know as much about or God forbid more about the election than her so she couldn't pontificate.

Thanks for the correction.  Small type is not my friend today.

[pbutler111]

2 hours ago, Trooper York said:

Actually Carole definitely resembles a ho.

One you would find in a derlict barn in the Berkshires.

Long and skinny with lots of uneven teeth.

Can you point out the uneven ones?  Because I'm not seeing them.  (P.S., that's a rake.)

[Bronzedog]

I honestly believe that Luanne doesn't care what Have a Cookie Tommy does as long as she's married.  I've never seen anyone so desperate to be married.  Of course, I've also always really hated Luanne, so, there's that.

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

Can you point out the uneven ones?  Because I'm not seeing them.  (P.S., that's a rake.)

Her lower teeth are fairly uneven though thanks to her massive overbite they are often hidden.

[seasick]

55 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

I don't think Carole's had anything done to her face. Whenever a woman is over a certain age, people start grinning and winking about all the surgery she's supposedly had done. If she looks too good -- surgery; if she looks too bad -- surgery.

 

55 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

They show a photo of Carole as a teen, side by side with a photo of her in her 50s, and claim she's had plastic surgery because the photos don't look identical.  For one thing, the photos do, in fact, look pretty much identical.  For another, everyone's face changes when they age (and if you're middle aged and still have the face you had as a teenager, call HSN and start selling that shit.)  It's just all so silly.  I think Carole looks exactly as she always has.

Carole was so pretty as a teen !But that's youth for you.  I don't blame anyone over a certain age for getting a little help,  and I'm a bit surprised that people still wonder (or care) if there's even botox at work.  To me it's becoming like coloring one's hair or getting braces.  I think getting wrinkled and saggy and heavy, sleepy eyes is worse (for my choice, anyway) so if you can afford it--by all means go for it.  I see no shame in it *at all*.   (and there's *alot* of cosmetic enhancement shaming out there--even tho signs of aging or being average or just  plain not pretty is practically a disgrace and an affront to our senses nowadays.  There's no winning.

That said, I do think Carole looks different and not just older.  The cheekbones are bigger and her face looks a bit frozen--but I think she looks pretty good overall.  Good for her.   Only she knows what lies beneath and if this is an improvement--and I bet it is-- then good

[sasha206]

9 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

Okay, I just pulled it up again to see if I was missing something, and I just don't see it.  I don't think she's done or injected anything.

 

I don't think her new face resembles much of old face.  And old face in this photo is also full of injectibles and botox.

Your face doesn't get more full as you age without weight gain or help from your dermatologist.  It's pretty obvious she's got a face full of fillers.  

[pbutler111]

7 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

I don't think her new face resembles much of old face.  And old face in this photo is also full of injectibles and botox.

Your face doesn't get more full as you age without weight gain or help from your dermatologist.  It's pretty obvious she's got a face full of fillers.  

I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

[sasha206]

11 minutes ago, seasick said:

 

Carole was so pretty as a teen !But that's youth for you.  I don't blame anyone over a certain age for getting a little help,  and I'm a bit surprised that people still wonder (or care) if there's even botox at work.  To me it's becoming like coloring one's hair or getting braces.  I think getting wrinkled and saggy and heavy, sleepy eyes is worse (for my choice, anyway) so if you can afford it--by all means go for it.  I see no shame in it *at all*.   (and there's *alot* of cosmetic enhancement shaming out there--even tho signs of aging or being average or just  plain not pretty is practically a disgrace and an affront to our senses nowadays.  There's no winning.

That said, I do think Carole looks different and not just older.  The cheekbones are bigger and her face looks a bit frozen--but I think she looks pretty good overall.  Good for her.   Only she knows what lies beneath and if this is an improvement--and I bet it is-- then good

I don't think it's cosmetic-enhancement shaming.  I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't think LuAnn's had help.  The problem is when the procedures go overboard and give them an artificial look and then it actually destroys their natural beauty.  Ramona looked incredible for many years.  Then she did too much to her face and now it looks like silly putty.  That's when people start talking about work that is done.  

[pbutler111]

19 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Her lower teeth are fairly uneven though thanks to her massive overbite they are often hidden.

If you can't see them, I'm wondering why anyone would complain about them.

[biakbiak]

3 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

If you can't see them, I'm wondering why anyone would complain about them.

You can see them when she talks and when she hasn't composed her smile to hide them. As for why people complain about them people complain about everything about these people.

[sasha206]

10 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

Those were pictures of her old face.  The less plump face.

And the old photos of her face clearly had injectibles.  It's an obvious, indescribable look.  I don't think she's had massive work done like a KIm Z.  Just saying that her face is clearly much more plump than when the show started (but still thin in body) and it has the "filler face" look.

This was from a few weeks ago.  Does that look like the all natural face of a 53 year old?

 

Edited April 7, 2017 by sasha206

[Trooper York]

You are misinformed. It is not complaining. It is mocking.

Mocking an insufferable elitist asshole.

[zoeysmom]

Here is a picture of all the ladies sans Bethenny from last night:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4385106/RHONY-unite-Season-9-premiere-party.html  Carole has cut her hair.

[sasha206]

2 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is a picture of all the ladies sans Bethenny from last night:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4385106/RHONY-unite-Season-9-premiere-party.html  Carole has cut her hair.

I like the shorter hair; wish it was parted on the side though.  I don't get why anyone parts their hair in the middle!  Pet peeve of mine.

Ramona looks awful.  The boob job and posture make her look like a linebacker.  And the hair, the crazy eyes, the plastic surgery face.  She looks SO good before that divorce.

[zoeysmom]

Just now, sasha206 said:

I like the shorter hair; wish it was parted on the side though.  I don't get why anyone parts their hair in the middle!  Pet peeve of mine.

Ramona looks awful.  The boob job and posture make her look like a linebacker.  And the hair, the crazy eyes, the plastic surgery face.  She looks SO good before that divorce.

Ramona was kind of the one who started the cut the hair and the renewal-she should go back to that look.  I have never found Ramona terribly attractive but she is entering into the clown zone with the eyelashes and the as you say the boobs.

I hope it was just a case of bad lighting at the party-no one looked all that great.

[jewels]

16 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

You are misinformed. It is not complaining. It is mocking.

Mocking an insufferable elitist asshole.

This is the nicest picture of Carol I have seen :-)

[Trooper York]

Well it was before her recent surgeries.

All that filler makes you look older.

Fillers are not good for fillys. Just sayn'

[OldButHappy]

1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

That?  Is just a cheap rake.....

Tom?

[Maharincess]

7 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

That IS the look of a person thinking, "Did I just crap myself??

Scare hole Radizwill.

Yeah, I got that it was a name for Carole, I was just...never mind.  Not worth getting warned. 

[sheetmoss]

1 hour ago, OldButHappy said:

That?  Is just a cheap rake.....

Tom?

Very good!

[Ki-in]

12 hours ago, Stephanie1216 said:

how do women position themselves to fall into incredible jobs and meet rich successful men one right after the other?

I know a woman who recently marred a multimillionaire, like true wealth (his name was listed on a program from an event they got me tickets for as a million dollar donor). This woman is a 60 something grandmother with an average body (slight menopause middle) and no botox or anything, just like any average looking woman you'd see anywhere. She went from driving a used car and shopping at Target to having a personal shopper and getting the champagne treatment at Neiman Marcus and brand new top of the line luxury car. I've been to their apartment which is the entire floor of a building on the beach. 

This woman is sweet, kind, gracious, well mannered and charming. She never gets falling down drunk nor does she ever need a "snatch guard" like some of the HW's. You can take her places and not be embarrassed by antics or arguments. She took her hobby and turned it into a small but successful business. She had her own life going on and wasn't even looking for a man but I think he liked her hustle and saw what a class act she was and how a woman like her could be a true partner and asset in his life. She's an educated woman who can converse on many subjects and not just make sexual innuendos and double entendres.  I can't remember which but they met through either their place or worship or doing some charity work (they are both big into that) and were friends for awhile. 

 

Now a man like that could probably Sonja's desperation reeking a mile away. Her reputation precedes her and it's not a good one. No matter how good she looks I have a feeling she's a bit of a joke in those circles. To quote the great Sidney Poitier from the classic To Sir With Love "No man like a slut for long and only the worst kind will marry one." Being a slut isn't about the acts you do or your morals per se but how you are remembered and allow yourself to be treated. Lu puts herself on a pedestal, Sonja thinks it's funny to roll in the gutter, there's a difference even though they are doing the same thing. 

I think Lu and Tom are the ultimate f*ck buddies and that's why they get along so well, they understand each other. No matter what anyone thinks of Tom's looks (which are subjective) he is still a catch having no baggage at his age and I like the fact that he chose a woman his own age with grown children when he could have married a woman in her 30's or 40's who had small ones or didn't want any. I hope it works out for them.

Edited April 7, 2017 by Ki-in

[Chit Chat]

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I like the shorter hair; wish it was parted on the side though.  I don't get why anyone parts their hair in the middle!  Pet peeve of mine.

I like Carole's shorter haircut too.  As someone in the ballpark of Carole's age, I find that the longer hair (speaking for myself) can tend to drag the face down.  As for parting one's hair in the middle, I'm guilty!  ;)  It's because I can't style my hair worth shit, so I go for the simple style that I can pull back easily.  I'm a dental hygienist, so I need it out of my face during the day.  I envy women who can take a hairbrush and a hairdryer and end up with a fabulous look. 

I hope that LuAnn and Tom prove everybody wrong.   I think that Bethenny really did want to help LuAnn, but there comes a point of meddling (Ramona), so they should just drop the subject and move on.  I'm sure that some of the women are waiting to be able to say "I told you so,"  but a true friend wouldn't do that.  LuAnn will feel bad enough if their predictions come true, so there's no need to pile on if it does happen.  Just be there for her. 

As much as Carole's 24/7 coverage of the election is going to bug me (most people I know - no matter which side of the aisle they were on), were sick of the media coverage of it.  People had their mind made up, and just wanted to vote. There was no need to drone on about it.  That's probably why Bethenny was aggravated with her.  On WWHL, Bethenny said that Carole's coverage of it was "relentless."   That's annoying to people around you, even if they do agree with you.  Apparently she wasn't as sure of the victory as she appeared to be.  I guess that explains the nervous chatter about it.  Anyway, I do love seeing her with the ki'ens.   Anybody who fosters animals, especially cats, is okay in my book! 

[Lizzing]

19 hours ago, Stephanie1216 said:

Also, was that a photo of Sonja and her daughter on vacation? The girl should be of age and can be on tv if they want. She said her name for the first time but I forgot it already. Anyway I froze that photo and if that's her daughter? Her daughter looks so old in that picture. Or Sonja wanted the appearance of "we look like sisters" 

The woman in the picture with Sonja was most definitely not her daughter; she's some friend in France that shows up on Sonja's instagram. Sonja's daughter, Quincy, is 16 and she probably still needs her father's approval to appear on the show, though I read rumors that she was around during the shooting of this season.

[RHJunkie]

21 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I hope that LuAnn and Tom prove everybody wrong.   I think that Bethenny really did want to help LuAnn, but there comes a point of meddling (Ramona), so they should just drop the subject and move on.  I'm sure that some of the women are waiting to be able to say "I told you so,"  but a true friend wouldn't do that.  LuAnn will feel bad enough if their predictions come true, so there's no need to pile on if it does happen.  Just be there for her. 

 

Ramona needs to get her digs in...at this point I think it's a compulsive part of her. Seasons back when Ramona got that psychic reading where the woman suggested that her husband was cheating, it wasn't until that reading that Luann came out and said that she had heard stuff about Mario. She told Ramona as much. Ramona flat out dismissed her and Luann let it go.The rumours were present and many people in their social circles had heard about this rumour. Ramona dismissed it. It wasn't until Ramona actually caught him cheating on her that she believed it and even then, she tried to make it work with him before deciding to file for divorce. Her experience should be the ultimate lesson that our response to a hypothetical situation presented on paper isn't necessarily going to be the same in real life where real emotions come into play. She dealt with it herself and it hasn't been that long ago for her to forget what that feels like. Once she said her peace about time, she should have let it go rather than test out her investigative skills. If you really think you're building a friendship with someone, that's not what you do. And you don't strengthen that friendship by going around gossiping about their relationship and then expect an invite to the bridal shower, lol.

[Jezebel97]

13 hours ago, Stephanie1216 said:

Sonya couldn't have more than a high school diploma, and I don't think Bethenny went to college she said she went to culinary school. She placed herself in NYC to cook for the rich to meet people kinda like Adam?

Actually, these women did have formal educations & values them.  

Bethenny graduated from NYU with B.S degrees for  Communications & Psychology & also attended National Gourmet Institute for Healthy and Culinary Arts

Sonja earned a B.A Degree from FIT

Luanne was licensed practical nurse in Connecticut, I can't find what Connecticut college she attended though

Carole got her B.A. degree at Hunter College and a Masters degree at NYU.

Ramona earned a B.S. degree in Marketing from FIT

Dorinda got her B.A from Franklin & Marshall College

Tinsley earned a B.A from Columbia University

[Normades]

When I see Ramona with all her insanity and horrible plastic surgery, I picture Mario laying in bed with some sweet young thing sipping wine and laughing his ass off.  I don't condone what he did, but I don't know how he lived with that nutter for so long.  He must feel like a man who was released from a life term in prison.  I'll bet he doesn't even mind paying any settlement.  As a wise person once told me:  Do you know why divorce is so expensive?  Because it's worth it!

[pbutler111]

10 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Those were pictures of her old face.  The less plump face.

And the old photos of her face clearly had injectibles.  It's an obvious, indescribable look.  I don't think she's had massive work done like a KIm Z.  Just saying that her face is clearly much more plump than when the show started (but still thin in body) and it has the "filler face" look.

This was from a few weeks ago.  Does that look like the all natural face of a 53 year old?

 

Yes, it is.  She looks pretty much like all my contemporaries.

[Normades]

16 minutes ago, Jezebel97 said:

Actually, these women did have formal educations & values them.  

Bethenny graduated from NYU with B.S degrees for  Communications & Psychology & also attended National Gourmet Institute for Healthy and Culinary Arts

Sonja earned a B.A Degree from FIT

Luanne was licensed practical nurse in Connecticut, I can't find what Connecticut college she attended though

Carole got her B.A. degree at Hunter College and a Masters degree at NYU.

Ramona earned a B.S. degree in Marketing from FIT

Dorinda got her B.A from Franklin & Marshall College

Tinsley earned a B.A from Columbia University

So Sonja and Bethenny have the BS?  Makes sense.

[Ki-in]

If you look you can see either where the filler has settled or the strings from a feather lift or whatever on Carole's cheeks when she talks and especially when she smiles. Her face is so overfilled that I thought she had gained 20lbs until I saw her body. She is morphing into Mama Elsa facially and all she'll need is a caftan (maybe she can borrow from Kyle) to complete the look 

[Normades]

3 minutes ago, Normades said:

20 minutes ago, Jezebel97 said:

Actually, these women did have formal educations & values them.  

Bethenny graduated from NYU with B.S degrees for  Communications & Psychology & also attended National Gourmet Institute for Healthy and Culinary Arts

Sonja earned a B.A Degree from FIT

Luanne was licensed practical nurse in Connecticut, I can't find what Connecticut college she attended though

Carole got her B.A. degree at Hunter College and a Masters degree at NYU.

Ramona earned a B.S. degree in Marketing from FIT

Dorinda got her B.A from Franklin & Marshall College

Tinsley earned a B.A from Columbia University

So Sonja and Bethenny have the BS?  Makes sense.

OOPS!  Correction --- It's Bethenny and Ramona with the BS --- Makes even more sense!

[pbutler111]

3 minutes ago, Normades said:

When I see Ramona with all her insanity and horrible plastic surgery, I picture Mario laying in bed with some sweet young thing sipping wine and laughing his ass off.  I don't condone what he did, but I don't know how he lived with that nutter for so long.  He must feel like a man who was released from a life term in prison.  I'll bet he doesn't even mind paying any settlement.  As a wise person once told me:  Do you know why divorce is so expensive?  Because it's worth it!

I think Ramona looks great.  She doesn't look to me like she's had anything done. And I believe Ramona is, and always has been, the money in that marriage.  If anyone is paying a settlement, it would be Ramona to Mario, not the other way around.  But considering Mario's very public philandering, I doubt he walked away with much, if anything. It's amazing how quickly "sweet young things" disappear when an old guy has no cash.

[lezlers]

23 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

What is wrong with Carole's voice?  I didn't even recognize her when she said her opening tag line, and in her TH's, she sounds completely different.

I'm not going to assume Lu has an open marriage because of these gossipy bitches.  Ramona calling Tom's exes was so crossing the line.  

I still haven't warmed up to Dorinda.....she's playing both sides and I despise people who do that.  Plus, she was mean to my girl Heather back in the day.

Oh Ramona, I cannot believe you think gutting a kitchen as opposed to just replacing the cabinet doors is saving you money.  You are such an idiot.  At her lunch with Dorinda, between her crazy messy ponytail, her screeching voice and flailing arms, she looked and sounded like a loon.  I hate her stupid laugh.  My DH was sleeping next to me, and I had to keep lowering the volume during Ramona's scenes.

I share Carole's despair over the election, and I am ok if she discusses it.  I am also happy that she and Adam are still enjoying life together.  

Sonja is just sad, sad, sad.

That's what bugs me about Dorinda too.  Then she fully admits she does it and the ladies just shrug it off!  I kind of give her props for that, since it takes some balls to be upfront about being a gossipy backstabber and then to have enough charm that people looks past that and continue to confide in you.  I actually think less of the other ladies for continuing to allow her to do it again and again and again. 

Ramona makes my skin crawl.  Can someone please tell me why both her and Sonja are allowed to sexually harass any male that comes within 20 feet of them?  If a male acted the way they do towards a female, they would be raked over the coals. They're no better than Aviva's father, yet Bravo plays it off as just silly and harmless with their whimsical music.  The double standard is infuriating.

[Normades]

3 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

I think Ramona looks great.  She doesn't look to me like she's had anything done. And I believe Ramona is, and always has been, the money in that marriage.  If anyone is paying a settlement, it would be Ramona to Mario, not the other way around.  But considering Mario's very public philandering, I doubt he walked away with much, if anything. It's amazing how quickly "sweet young things" disappear when an old guy has no cash.

I was under the impression that Mario came from a family that owned a successful jewelry company and had some $$.  New York has no fault divorce, so I don't think his philandering would have any profound effect on the settlement, but I'm not an attorney.  As of late last year, Mario was still running around with some girl, so I'm not too worried about him being lonely.  I'm sure Ramona appreciates that some people don't see the results of her many plastic surgeries.  Personally I do, as do many others.  When someone went from having a cute figure to looking like a linebacker with huge implants, who am I supposed to believe? someone else's perception or my lyin' eyes?  Well, in my case the eyes have it.  YMMV.

[Yours Truly]

I'm so over the narration that's being forced on Lu. First episode and Ramona's already introducing it. "Lu just say you don't care about Tom's indiscretions and be honest about you guys open relationship and leave it at that". I HATE, HATE, HATE with the heat of a thousand suns this need to demand that Lu declare her relationship open in order appease THEM. I don't give a rat's ass if I do or don't have an open relationship with my significant other NO ONE has the right to demand I make open declarations about it. I don't care if you come visit me in my home and see me enjoying a cup of coffee in the the living then see a disheveled Tom and Jane emerge from the bedroom as I offer them coffee. I am under no obligation to then join a group of women to have lunch and discuss what goes on in my relationship in the terms others have dictated. I'm as so sick of these women trying to force Lu to "say the words". WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??? For the love of all that is holy. She bugs. And? Roll your eyes, Let. It. Go. and Move on! Thing is I do think she is happy and has what she wants and what annoys the crap out of me is that I believe the other women understand that too.

Honestly I personally think that the haterade is strong because Lu snagged the exact situation she wanted. A partner with the same tendencies, in the same place in their lives where they still have a wild kick to them but also understand it's time to start considering the future and compatibility in rest of their lives companions. I do think that Lu knows exactly what she's done and I think it was a mutual decision. What the others can't stand is that she's found such a set up that meets her needs. I think it's the part where it seems both her and Tom are getting their cake and eating it too.

As for what Lu presents or puts out there. Well I think she is genuinely giddy and happy. I don't think she's pretending. I think the strain and the discomfort comes from the constant scrutiny and the risk that the inquiries and intrusions just may ruin her comfy arrangement. I also think the only reason everyone has to be subjected to the extra nauseating display is because Lu has to always put on a mask with them because she knows they are gunning for her. Plus she's always being cornered about her relationship so of course she's gonna spout the rehearsed 4 phrases she will repeat cause I doubt she feels there's any purpose in actually getting to detailed with her responses cause she knows they are going to stick with the same narrative over and over again so why bother.

I really don't want to keep seeing them go after Lu's relationship with Tom ALL season. It was cringeworthy last season and that was more than enough.  I have no desire to see women continuously attacking a women over her choice in mate. Women who aren't even close to her. It's so ridiculous that this is even a thing.

 

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[pbutler111]

2 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm so over the narration that's being forced on Lu. First episode and Ramona's already introducing it. "Lu just say you don't care about Tom's indiscretions and be honest about you guys open relationship and leave it at that". I HATE, HATE, HATE with the heat of a thousand suns this need to demand that Lu declare her relationship open in order appease THEM. I don't give a rat's ass if I do or don't have an open relationship with my significant other NO ONE has the right to demand I make open declarations about it. I don't care if you come visit me in my home and see me enjoying a cup of coffee in the the living then see a disheveled Tom and Jane emerge from the bedroom as I offer them coffee. I am under no obligation to then join a group of women to have lunch and discuss what goes on in my relationship in the terms others have dictated. I'm as so sick of these women trying to force Lu to "say the words". WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??? For the love of all that is holy. She bugs. And? Roll your eyes, Let. It. Go. and Move on! Thing is I do think she is happy and has what she wants and what annoys the crap out of me is that I believe the other women understand that too.

Honestly I personally think that the haterade is strong because Lu snagged the exact situation she wanted. A partner with the same tendencies, in the same place in their lives where they still have a wild kick to them but also understand it's time to start considering the future and compatibility in rest of their lives companions. I do think that Lu knows exactly what she's done and I think it was a mutual decision. What the others can't stand is that she's found such a set up that meets her needs. I think it's the part where it seems both her and Tom are getting their cake and eating it too.

As for what Lu presents or puts out there. Well I think she is genuinely giddy and happy. I don't think she's pretending. I think the strain and the discomfort comes from the constant scrutiny and the risk that the inquiries and intrusions just may ruin her comfy arrangement. I also think the only reason everyone has to be subjected to the extra nauseating display is because Lu has to always put on a mask with them because she knows they are gunning for her. Plus she's always being cornered about her relationship so of course she's gonna spout the rehearsed 4 phrases she will repeat cause I doubt she feels there's any purpose in actually getting to detailed with her responses cause she knows they are going to stick with the same narrative over and over again so why bother.

I really don't want to keep seeing them go after Lu's relationship with Tom ALL season. It was cringeworthy last season and that was more than enough.  I have no desire to see women continuously attacking a women over her choice in mate. Women who aren't even close to her. It's so ridiculous that this is even a thing.

 

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Which "she" are you referring to? ("...Lu snagged the exact situation she wanted.")

17 hours ago, biakbiak said:

It would me because she doesn't fit his age requirements and doesn't fit other parts of his typical type.

Plus the fact that Sonja is a known liar/exaggerator.

While I also doubt anything Sonja says about famous people she's supposedly known/partied with/slept with/been friends with, she and Albert aren't a crazy combo.  She's 6 years younger than he is.  And, though his wife is much younger than Sonja, they actually do look quite similar.

[Ki-in]

I read it to mean that Luann snagged the exact position that Luann wanted. Like she manifested her dream to reality a la the Secret.  But the original poster will have to clarify for sure. 

[Yours Truly]

3 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

Which "she" are you referring to? ("...Lu snagged the exact situation she wanted.")

I'm talking about Lu. I have no doubt that she went into this decision knowing what the deal is and I'll go even further and say that if the do have an open relationship that it has always been a part of their arrangement and not a detail that's been forced on her and a detail Lu herself has no true problem with since she's got her own wondering eye.

[Duke2801]

9 hours ago, Maharincess said:

Yeah, I got that it was a name for Carole, I was just...never mind.  Not worth getting warned. 

I feel you.  Sometimes it's just easier to put people on ignore. It makes reading the forums much more pleasant.   

Edited April 7, 2017 by Duke2801

[biakbiak]

29 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

She's 6 years younger than he is.  And, though his wife is much younger than Sonja, they actually do look quite similar.

Albert is famous for having two types before his wife. Younger famous women on his arm to disguise his mistresses and mothers of his other children.  Sonja doesn't meet either critriea. His wife is not only younger but a world class athlete.

[Yours Truly]

Just now, Ki-in said:

I read it to mean that Luann snagged the exact position that Luann wanted. Like she manifested her dream to reality a la the Secret.  But the original poster will have to clarify for sure. 

I believe Tom offers what Lu truly wants which doesn't necessarily meet the traditional format. What I'm saying is the women are going on and on with this narrative that Lu is going to get blindsided or hurt by Tom when in reality they know that it's also very likely that Lu is  just as happy with an open arrangement as well. For some reason the words need to be said out loud and that's the part that infuriates me. This need to FORCE something out of someone else is just insanely ridiculous.

My motto in life is, unless you've:

-Taken money out of my pocket, hence my ability to put food on the table and feed my child

-Put hands on my child

-Slept with my husband

-Jeopardized my livelihood

Then....... Whatever!! I may have grievances with you. I may have conflict with you. You may annoy the fuck outta me but at the end of the day there's nothing left to do but to shrug your shoulders and keep it moving. I mean I may have words with you, we may get into it from time to time but I ain't gonna be that invested in anything beyond our immediate interactions. Your love life ain't gonna matter that much to me. You are not at my mercy or under any obligation to bend to my will. I just won't like you. I may express it in various degrees but at no time will I make it my life's work to get you to cry uncle.

It just boggles the mind quite honestly.

[pbutler111]

43 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Albert is famous for having two types before his wife. Younger famous women on his arm to disguise his mistresses and mothers of his other children.  Sonja doesn't meet either critriea. His wife is not only younger but a world class athlete.

The fact that Sonja thinks that having a fling with a schlub like Albert is something to brag about is just further proof of her grand delusion.

8 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I believe Tom offers what Lu truly wants which doesn't necessarily meet the traditional format. What I'm saying is the women are going on and on with this narrative that Lu is going to get blindsided or hurt by Tom when in reality they know that it's also very likely that Lu is  just as happy with an open arrangement as well. For some reason the words need to be said out loud and that's the part that infuriates me. This need to FORCE something out of someone else is just insanely ridiculous.

My motto in life is, unless you've:

-Taken money out of my pocket, hence my ability to put food on the table and feed my child

-Put hands on my child

-Slept with my husband

-Jeopardized my livelihood

Then....... Whatever!! I may have grievances with you. I may have conflict with you. You may annoy the fuck outta me but at the end of the day there's nothing left to do but to shrug your shoulders and keep it moving. I mean I may have words with you, we may get into it from time to time but I ain't gonna be that invested in anything beyond our immediate interactions. Your love life ain't gonna matter that much to me. You are not at my mercy or under any obligation to bend to my will. I just won't like you. I may express it in various degrees but at no time will I make it my life's work to get you to cry uncle.

It just boggles the mind quite honestly.

I think what's irritating the other women is not that Luann refuses to say that she's in an open relationship, but that she goes out of her way to say she's not, when the facts don't back it up.  It goes back to the biggest and oldest complaint about Luann:  she's a liar.  

[Otherkate]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm so over the narration that's being forced on Lu. First episode and Ramona's already introducing it. "Lu just say you don't care about Tom's indiscretions and be honest about you guys open relationship and leave it at that". I HATE, HATE, HATE with the heat of a thousand suns this need to demand that Lu declare her relationship open in order appease THEM. I don't give a rat's ass if I do or don't have an open relationship with my significant other NO ONE has the right to demand I make open declarations about it. I don't care if you come visit me in my home and see me enjoying a cup of coffee in the the living then see a disheveled Tom and Jane emerge from the bedroom as I offer them coffee. I am under no obligation to then join a group of women to have lunch and discuss what goes on in my relationship in the terms others have dictated. I'm as so sick of these women trying to force Lu to "say the words". WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??? For the love of all that is holy. She bugs. And? Roll your eyes, Let. It. Go. and Move on! Thing is I do think she is happy and has what she wants and what annoys the crap out of me is that I believe the other women understand that too.

 

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Agreed. I personally would like better for Lu than old Tommy, but clearly she is down with whatever is going on there. And there's no reason why a grown woman should have to advertise to the public what her personal situation is. Certainly not because Ramona deems she should do so.  Move on, ladies. 

[AndySmith]

Tom probably does meet most of what Luann is looking for in a partner, on paper. He is well off financially, he has a penthouse on the Upper East Side, he moves in the same social circles she does, and he is single. Ding ding ding, we have a winner! He gets her into the ivory penthouse she has been dreaming about since her divorce, so she will probably overlook any philandering on his end.

Edited April 7, 2017 by AndySmith

[MerryMary]

I keep expecting Jill Zarin (of Zarin fabrics, you know) to swoop in and save Carole's couch.  If what I read was true, Jill Z ruined Luanne's wedding pic deal with People Magazine because Zarin posted pics of the wedding on social media and People was supposed to have the first pics out.  I think the amount was less than $50k but still, easy money is easy money.  

[jewels]

Does anyone know what Tom does for a living?  Has it ever been mentioned?

[ElDosEquis]

11 hours ago, Maharincess said:

Yeah, I got that it was a name for Carole, I was just...never mind.  Not worth getting warned. 

You can put me on 'ignore'. That would be the humane thing to do.

[zoeysmom]

58 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:

The fact that Sonja thinks that having a fling with a schlub like Albert is something to brag about is just further proof of her grand delusion.

I think what's irritating the other women is not that Luann refuses to say that she's in an open relationship, but that she goes out of her way to say she's not, when the facts don't back it up.  It goes back to the biggest and oldest complaint about Luann:  she's a liar.  

What facts are there post last February? Has there been some declaration of Tom stating he is in a open relationship?   I don't understand why anyone would go on and on about the status on a couple's relationship.  Ramona et al, keep objectifying Luann and Tom's relationship. . .it is their main topic of conversation and their running joke.  Oh absolutely gauche to carry on like columnists in tabloids about what one may or may not have heard, or calling ex girlfriends of the groom. 

It is going to be pretty hard to top a photograph of Tom kissing another woman.  It just gives me the creeps these women are taking over and under bets on the wedding and I am sure there is some contingency deal after the wedding why they don't want it to work.  These are the same women who then wonder why their likability is on the decline or they are having are time finding the right guy.

Ramona and Sonja look like pitiful sore losers every time they bring the wedding or Tom up.  Ramona should never question why she isn't invited to anything by Tom and/or Luann-she is an idiot.  Any conversation with Tom she claims is flirting.