S07.E15: Something They Need

[ShadowSixx]

2 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Eugene still being a coward, and doing what he has to survive, makes sense to me.  There are people like that everywhere.  They don't know how to fight or fend for themselves.  Take away all their modern creature comforts, drop them into a ZA, and they do what they have to or die.  Some of the bravest most capable people in the world, wouldn't necessarily survive in the ZA or any other apocalypse.

Maggie knew farming from Herschel, and I'm going with Maggie and the Hilltoppers are exchanging information about growing things.  Maggie and Sasha showing them how to fight was more believable.

Cyndie helped Tara leave Oceanside alive so why didn't Tara sneak in and try to talk to Cyndie, actually talk, not issue ultimatums, before CDB started blowing things up, and wasting bullets?  Also, if some of the Oceansiders want to go with Rick's group and fight, they should have.

The only thing saving the Sasha SL for me is the image I have of Sasha slashing Negan's neck when he is once again yakking and talking about rules, and using Sasha to threaten CDB.  I know it won't happen, but I can dream.  Because I really want Sasha, Maggie, Carol or Carl to be the one to kill Negan.

I don't dislike Rosita or Tara, but like so many other characters, they were never developed, and I was never given a reason to care about them.  Both Rosita and Daryl can't be bothered to mention where Sasha is?  It's this kind of stupidity, and non-communication the ruins the story.  I can see it now.  The Rickettes attack Negan's compound, and Negan will have Sasha as leverage.  Rick and Company will be, "Oh no, Negan has Sasha whatever will we do?"  And I will be, "Something spectacularly stupid that will be guaranteed to get a bunch of red shirts killed."

To me I have a feeling it's going to be like when Governor had Michonne & Hershel hostage. That's what I think is gonna happen with Negan & Sasha.

[Madding crowd]

To me it was clear that Sasha is not planning to kill herself. Once Negan took the knife, she asked Eugene for a weapon and didn't want him to think it was for possibly killing Negan. She looked upset when Eugene brought her the pill because it's likely she can't use it against anyone.

I think they could have found a way to bring the groups together without it being so boring. I didn't like how the Oceanside stuff went down and if the only way to get the garbage people on board is to give them hundreds of guns, maybe leave them out of it. The best way to fight would be to have many armed people, not a few people with hundreds of weapons. 

I hate seeing the tiger (I know it was in previews). It doesn't look real, tigers are wild animals and people would not be safe strolling around next to it. Another comic book thing that looks stupid on screen. I realize I have barely been posting on the last few episodes and it's because it is just tedious. I hope Eugene proves useful to CDB in the end or gets killed-never cared for him and he like Abraham and Rosita always seemed comic book to me. 

[AngelaHunter]

3 minutes ago, ShadowSixx said:

Only time Daryl was interesting was when he was looking for Sophia after that he became blah because Merle made Daryl interesting.

And when he was snarling things like "Stupid bitch." I've never seen Norman Reedus before this show and seriously - in this show at least and maybe it's the writers' fault - he's not much of an actor, IMO. In fact, he kinda sucks. They should have kept Merle and bumped Daryl off.

 

4 minutes ago, tiredofwork said:

  I mean like my wife always says.., "WAS (ABE)LAYING PIPE LIKE A PORN STUD OR WHAT?"

 He could lay pipe like a porn stud and be hung like a Shetland pony and I STILL wouldn't understand why any woman, let alone these two, would be battling over his dubious favours.

10 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

Both Rosita and Daryl can't be bothered to mention where Sasha is?

Daryl can't go over his daily allotment of 5 or so words. Remember when, after the Claimers, he and Rick are sitting with all the time in the world and Rick asks about Beth? Daryl couldn't be bothered imparting even important information, like "There's people with a long black car that has a cross on the back and Beth was taken somewhere in it." No, what he says is, "Jes' gone." Idiot. Moron. Mumbling dumbass. The mighty hunter, the expert tracker, the indomitable fighter who lets his dumbass get jumped three times by the likes of Dwight, of all people.

[magemaud]

9 hours ago, spiderpig said:

The whole Sasha thing was just weird.  Does she really want to off herself, or does she just want Eugene to open the door?

I think she was trying to get Eugene to get her some kind of weapon to use on Negan and was devastated when he brought her a suicide pill. 

[smorbie]

  9 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

So, Negan's down with basically forcing women to marry him, but is still anti-rape, somehow.  That is a hell of a contradiction, right there.

 

  7 hours ago, Vyk said:

I'm starting to think he doesn't actually have sex with his wives unless it's their choice.  That might be why he's anti-rape.

 

  4 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Oh, so rape is not okay at Casa de Savior? Anyone else have a hard time buying that? Negan bashes people's skulls in with baseball bats, he threatens to cut a kid's arm off, he throws doctors into the fire - but he won't condone rape? Oh wait...unless HE gets to do the raping. I mean, what does he think his little harem is? Those women aren't there willingly. They're "consenting" under duress. He's delusional if he doesn't think he's violating those women. 

 

  4 hours ago, luna1122 said:

He's not anti rape. His entire ethos is about rape, but he might construe it somehow that since the women chose him over, you know, being murdered, that it's not rape. Those women are not there willingly, any time they might agree to sleep with him is for survival...it's rape.

 

  2 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

I'm sure the wives don't feel they have a choice, but Negan can tell himself they ARE choosing to have sex with him, merely because he's not actually holding them down.

In my opinion, it's not about Negan, it's about the creator of Negan and his idea that rape is only rape if it's "forcible", if the woman "fought back" or not and whether or not she was "dressed like a slut" and all the other victim blaming bullshit too many people still believe. He probably doesnt even believe men are ever raped by women. Fuck him. Part of my thinking on this is informed by reading the comic. The first time he met Rick he threatened to let his guys

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"run a train" on Carl (who was about 8 years old in the story at that time) which is "a euphemism for a gangbang or a gang-rape".

Moving on to other thoughts...

Unless Sasha means for Eugene to be caught out, she best break that lamp they left in her cell and use some glass to slit her wrists in addition to taking that pill otherwise, whomever comes into that cell and finds her dead-undead ass will ALSO find the baggie that pill was in, Negan will quickly put 1+1 and BOOM, into the fire with Eugene, stupid stupid bullshit plan there yall.

Lastly I gotta get this off my chest as Ive been thinking about it all morning. The show-runners, most of the cast and even Hardwick are all on this bullshit rhetorical idea that "if we started the show with Negan, we would feel for him the same as we feel for Rick and we would see that Rick is EQUAL in awfulness to Negan". Now granted, Rick holds a lifetime pass to the crazy train and is usually its conductor. And Rick has flat out murdered people for looking at him menacingly (Herschel's unexpected bar patrons). HOWEVER, think about it like this; Negan and Rick both started out at the SAME time (ok, quibble if you like, Rick was about a month behind due to being in a coma), they've both been through all the shit, different only in detail. It's been roughly 2-ish years and Negan is Negan, a person who has no compunction about brutality often for brutality's sake (I mean really, what he did to the doctor was just brutal to be brutal). If Rick was going to be = to Negan, he already would be. As another poster up-thread said, Rick is much more like Governor than he is anything (even that I would not be fully on board with but that's another discussion). Negan would take all those guns and take at least some of those women for various purposes (harem being chief among them) and hell, burn down the cozy shacks for giggles. RICK asked them to volunteer and told them the guns would be returned (assuming they survived of course). Not the same.

Watch the scene in the bar again (I had to in order to know for sure). The chatty guy pulls his gun on Rick before Rick counters by pulling his own and shooting him.

[Sighed I]

1 hour ago, nachomama said:

I thought Negan meant Eugene was the "little birdy" snitching that Rick was up to something. Not that Eugene had any knowledge of the current mission but he at least knew Hilltop was hiding Maggie and a general layout of how shit works over in Alexandria.

Maybe he was referring to Gregory's conversation with Simon? While the Saviors don't have definitive proof Hilltop is in cahoots with Alexandria, the timing between the demand for Gregory's head in exchange for the Hilltopian hostage and CDB's attack on the satellite location is way too convenient to ignore.

Edited March 27, 2017 by Sighed I

[HighMaintenance]

14 hours ago, alrightythen said:

I can't believe I actually sat down with snacks to watch that.  30 minutes of Negan blathering to Sasha and 15 minutes of Eugene blathering to Sasha.  They couldn't have cut some of that out? 

I'm pretty sure Kirkman and Gimple have a blathering quota to meet.

[Boofish]

Tara to Granny Ocean - "The world can belong to fair people. To good people if we are just brave enough to try"

*In my Daryl from season 1 voice* "that's mighty funny coming from a chick with a gun to my head"

For anyone watching on DVR one of the ladies gives Rick a hilarious side eye on 37:17

Edited March 27, 2017 by Boofish

[smorbie]

  12 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

  11 hours ago, J----av said:

 Why should they straight up kill Dwight? They want to fight the Saviors and Dwight was pretty high up in the ranks with Negan. It makes no sense to kill him when they can use him for info

 I would not be surprised if Dwight is a double agent for Negan.

  10 hours ago, millennium said:

 I wonder how this episode would have played if I cared.

Anyway, I'm not buying into Tyson's Dwight's redemption.   Negan boasted to Sasha that "a little birdy" told him Rick is up to no good and something would have to be done about that.   Seems plausible that he might order Dwight to mosey over to Alexandria, pretend to be a traitor, and lead CDB into a setup. 

All too sadly true. "Atrocious" is the word.

He's only 50, I believe, but his starvation movie-role diet played hell with his looks and aged him terribly. I thought he looked as though he may have gained a couple of pounds, but he needs a lot more. Someone start force-feeding him lard sandwiches with that really good bread they have at the Sanctuary.

I told my husband that I think he could pretty easily beat up Negan (my husband is not a giant MMA fighter type).  My husband is a good deal younger and has much better muscle tone.  I would never say my husband would be able to beat up Rick.  Even though Rick is not a huge guy, he is a tough scrapper.

The reason I bring this up, is that in the comic, Neagan is supposed to be a great big intimidating giant of a man.  You sort of understand why no one would want to mess with him.  He is not supposed to come off like a skinny cackling grand ma.

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Meanwhile at Hilltop....Maggie is apparently this huge savior (no pun intended) because she's teaching them how to garden. Ummmm.....wasn't the Hilltop already gardening long before these bozos came along? I seem to recall ASZ starving and getting a shit ton of food from Hilltop in exchange for taking out Negan (which they failed at). Am I imagining things? I think they had their shit together just fine. 

But then we would not have several minutes of precious screen time devoted to Maggie and her "Ellie Mae Clampett" southern accent talking about  "tarp don't tuuuch ".  The only point of those scenes is to show how incompetent and nasty Gregory is compared to Maggie, so we all say, "Wouldn't it  be great if Maggie is the leader".

We get it Gregory is awful, but please do not insult us that Maggie is mother earth, teaching an already successful farming community about "plants n such".

Where was all that farming expertise when she couldn't grow mildew over at ASZ

[Dobian]

1 hour ago, ShadowSixx said:

Especially the wash.rinse.repeat crap he did again. Trying to attack Dwight in the cell. How laughable was that? It was like watching an SNL sketch. Cookie Lyon should teach dumbass Daryl how to charge at people and make it look real and not laughable. Daryl grunting and groaning like he always does. I'm trying to find out what some people see in him to start the "If Daryl dies we riot"? Only time Daryl was interesting was when he was looking for Sophia after that he became blah because Merle made Daryl interesting.

 

1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

Daryl can't go over his daily allotment of 5 or so words. Remember when, after the Claimers, he and Rick are sitting with all the time in the world and Rick asks about Beth? Daryl couldn't be bothered imparting even important information, like "There's people with a long black car that has a cross on the back and Beth was taken somewhere in it." No, what he says is, "Jes' gone." Idiot. Moron. Mumbling dumbass. The mighty hunter, the expert tracker, the indomitable fighter who lets his dumbass get jumped three times by the likes of Dwight, of all people.

Daryl's schtick has gotten old.  You used to wonder what this "man of few words" was thinking, he played his cards so close to the vest.  Now you realize, he isn't really thinking at all and he doesn't say much because he doesn't have much to say.

 

1 hour ago, tiredofwork said:

Also never, ever got the entire "love triangle" story with Sasha, Rosita, Abraham..

The whole Abraham romance arc was so boring I mentally tuned out of any scene between him and those two.  I couldn't tell you a thing about what happened between them other than that he was with one or the other at various times.

Edited March 27, 2017 by Dobian

[Iguessnot]

54 minutes ago, diebartdie said:

 

 

 

 

 

Unless Sasha means for Eugene to be caught out, she best break that lamp they left in her cell and use some glass to slit her wrists in addition to taking that pill otherwise, whomever comes into that cell and finds her dead-undead ass will ALSO find the baggie that pill was in, Negan will quickly put 1+1 and BOOM, into the fire with Eugene, stupid stupid bullshit plan there yall.

 

That's the first thing that came to my mind. She's has to swallow that bag.

I haven't finished reading all the posts, but I just want to say I still don't have a problem with Eugene. Except for Rick, he's the only other one who has shown mental trauma from the beatings of Abraham and Glenn. Of course he didn't go with Rosita because he knew he would be hunted. He couldn't go to Alexandria, so he would be on the run and vulnerable. By the same token he didn't tell anyone that Rosita was there, so he's not ratting out anyone. Negan's line about a birdie telling him something was just a bluff. I'm sure all the gun acquisitions and the Garbage Pail Kids encounter took place after Eugene was abducted, so he knows nothing.

It's about time the show broached the subject of rape. It was weird having all the CDB women gung ho about going after Negan, in contrast to Rick,  with nary a fear about such tactics. It wasn't even put out there as a risk that they would have been willing to take.

[Boofish]

Upon rewatch, these women are fierce and fighters. They are not helpless. I wish they could have found another way but meh - as they always say "no one has to die today" and no one did. 

I think each approach worked for each group.

Hilltop - knew they were helpless with a coward for a leader so they confront the people head on and let them choose

Kingdom - knew they had a smart capable leader so they try and reason

Guardians of the Galaxy - the only thing they knew as that they kidnapped one of their own and stole all their food. With no intel and weapons they did what they had to try and get a deal and not die

Coachella - They kill on sight and have weapons. Take them by surprise, ask nicely, if they say no take them anyway and give them an chance to secure their parameter. 

There is no good, fair, decent way to do anything. I have accepted that and I can continue to enjoy the show

Edited March 27, 2017 by Boofish

[TattleTeeny]

Call me crazy but I liked it, and am fine with the season as a whole (I just want the story they want to tell me). But I also don't mind Negan, and I love the tiger and Carl (I'm also someone who just attempted to neatly eat an avocado at my desk so, maybe never trust anything I say or do). But even with such a tolerance, I absolutely hate the junkyard people and am dreading their return. 

[Boofish]

2 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Call me crazy but I liked it, and am fine with the season as a whole (I just want the story they want to tell me). But I also don't mind Negan, and I love the tiger and Carl (I'm also someone who just attempted to neatly eat an avocado at my desk so, maybe never trust anything I say or do). But even with such a tolerance, I absolutely hate the junkyard people and am dreading their return. 

Agreed on all points. If they had never introduced the Guardians of the Galaxy I would have little if no complaints.

[TattleTeeny]

I fear for the tiger. I don't care that it's just TV -- and not even an actual creature! -- but I'm gonna lose my shit something happens to it (yeah, I said "if." I am a damn fool). One more thing to add to the list of things on this show that have made me cry (the number-one spot is occupied by Herschel's demise).

As far as locations go on this show, I think I'd want to live at Oceanside. I like a beach, though I'm not thrilled about that woodsiness because snakes--though maybe there aren't any anymore? Also, I'm vegan now but I always did like seafood and I suppose a post-apocalyptic existence would warrant a change in diet and ethics (though not to the degree of Terminus!).

Sometimes I think about shows too much.

Edited March 27, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[EllenC]

1 hour ago, ShadowSixx said:

Oh and look, season is about over and still haven't explained Heath's disappearance. Is anyone gonna give a damn at this point when we finally see Heath?

Yeah, that really struck me last night since we were back to Oceanside. Has that ever really come up? Of course, the fact that Abraham and Glenn got bashed to bits in front of them hasn't come up nearly as much as I'd expect, so (especially early on). Along with so many other important pieces of info. This season feels incoherent/dragged out to the point I can't remember what HAS been said half the time. (Daryl "oh, yeah, I forgot, this dude might be plotting in a way that endangers Carol" Dixon, I'm looking at you. And yes, I do realize Carol can take care of herself. It's just the general idea that shenanigans were afoot.) Maybe it's just me. 

But remember the way Abe used to say things like "Who's Deanna?" I think we need a character who regularly says, "Hey, by the way, where's Heath/Sasha/Eugene/Rosita/Daryl/Carl/Judith," etc. Keep up with your #*@& group or why should WE care? I nominate Father Gabriel for this job. They actually went out and found him, after all.

I don't think Dwight is a Negan spy. I think this is the most telegraphed semi-redemption arc since the telegraph was invented.  Eugene -- in that case, I'm actually not sure where that one is going so kudos I guess.

To the poster who mentioned Aaron and Jesus opening a bed and breakfast together, I think that would be awesome, only because those seem like 2 characters who are actually interesting and need something to do. 

Edited March 27, 2017 by EllenC
grammar and stuff (and thangs)

[TattleTeeny]

I also think Dwight is for real. He's been unsubtly disillusioned since the season started.

[Boofish]

5 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

I also think Dwight is for real. He's been unsubtly disillusioned since the season started.

Negan is too arrogant to think he even needs a double agent and Dwight is too stupid to be one. I'm not even entertaining the theory.

[luna1122]

I fear more for the tiger than Carol or Tara or most of the cast. I will hate when--cuz it's probably going to happen--someone kills it. I know it's not even a real tiger too, but I don't care. It'll gut me.

I hate Negan more than any other villain this show has ever had, or maybe any other show. So much hate. I weirdly like the weird junkyard gang. I think they're just a bunch of theatre kids who found each other. I appreciate their theatricality. Might as well have fun when the world has gone to shit. But I too would prefer to live at Oceanside. No men is a drag, but the beach? I'll take the beach.

[Diane M]

In Ep. 12, didn't Rick and Michone discover a big stash of guns at that school?  If so, what happened to them?  

[TigerLynx]

I'm going to be angry if Shiva gets killed.  She is the smarter person on this show.  She's had the Kingdom feeding and taking care of her.  Yeah, I know supposed tame zoo Tiger.  There is no such thing.  Because a Tiger, is a Tiger.

I hope Sasha's con of Eugene and Negan lasts long enough for her to kill Negan.  I guess we will never get to see what happened when Sasha broke into the Savior Compound because we need more scenes of people yakking, or not being able to say more than one word.

[ShadowSixx]

You would think they would have shown Sasha getting taken down by some Saviors to stop her killing spree, but we don't get that in favor of showing Enid & Carl's useless conversation, Tara's bad acting, Daryl's grunting, Negan's pontificating, Rosita's dumbass, and Sasha almost being raped. We get that instead of seeing her kill some Saviors and being captured. Oy.

[Ouisch]

At one point during the Oceanside walker fight, the camera focused twice on one particular walker with dreadlocks, lumbering in the trees. I thought for sure that that would turn out to be Heath, but no dice.

[TattleTeeny]

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You would think they would have shown Sasha getting taken down by some Saviors to stop her killing spree

I just figure it was pretty cut and dried and not something I couldn't easily put together myself; she ran in willy-nilly and was apprehended in seconds. Not really anything to tell there.

[ShadowSixx]

1 minute ago, TattleTeeny said:

I just figure it was pretty cut and dried and not something I couldn't easily put together myself; she ran in willy-nilly and was apprehended in seconds. Not really anything to tell there.

It would have been more interesting than some of the scenes we got last night.

[TattleTeeny]

Well, you know, mileage and all. I was interested in Carl -- always am. 

While I get finding this character or that boring, I feel confused by the chagrin that seems to pop up over "wasted" scenes. If there's a character on a show, that character is going to be shown sometimes. At the same time, isn't it easy enough to imagine that Heath is dead as an explanation for his absence? I personally would find a discussion of Heath to be not a waste exactly, but I don't find it compelling or need it spelled out (just like I didn't care about the Russian in the woods on The Sopranos. Sometimes people are just gone?). Who knows, maybe he'll pop back up later in one way or another.

Edited March 27, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[qtpye]

1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

 He could lay pipe like a porn stud and be hung like a Shetland pony and I STILL wouldn't understand why any woman, let alone these two, would be battling over his dubious favours.

Not even if he was dolphin smooth?

[EllenC]

I'm actually interested in Carl, too. I just wish it didn't feel like we've gone weeks without seeing characters and then jump into what should be deep-ish conversations. The pacing this season just feels wackier than ever, as we try to get all these new groups (with only a few non-anonymous characters) in place while listening to Negan talk. And talk. 

As for Heath, it just seems odd that someone like Aaron wouldn't at least mention him in passing (whether presumed dead, missing, whatever), not that they'd necessarily mount a huge search party at the moment. But maybe I'm forgetting -- I pay more attention to the live chat than the show some weeks now, I freely admit! Conversations/characters seem more obviously plot devicey than I once felt them to be.

Edited March 27, 2017 by EllenC
Because Negan's talking cannot be emphasized enough.

[ShadowSixx]

I like Carl too, but most characters weren't necessary in this episode given the very little dialogue they received. Should have been mostly Sasha, Eugene, Oceanside, & Tara (unfortunately) and very very very little Negan. Would have been better if Rick & Latania talking and then it went bad with CDB taking the guns instead of doing it the way they did with making noise and drawing walkers to their location. Hilltop scenes weren't all that necesarry either. Writers could have done a well thought out episode but it looked like copy & paste scenes together, it's more ridiculous then the CGI deer and the green screen with GPK. 

I mean Carl & Enid 20 word conversation was pointless as well as Aaron & Eric's 10 word conversation.

Edited March 27, 2017 by ShadowSixx

[Haleth]

1 hour ago, ShadowSixx said:

Oh and look, season is about over and still haven't explained Heath's disappearance. Is anyone gonna give a damn at this point when we finally see Heath

I think the writers have left it open ended in case his other show doesn't get renewed.

34 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

I also think Dwight is for real. He's been unsubtly disillusioned since the season started.

Well, too late for me to care.  A murderer and first class asshole bully gets no sympathy from me.

19 minutes ago, Diane M said:

In Ep. 12, didn't Rick and Michone discover a big stash of guns at that school?  If so, what happened to them?  

He gave most of them to the garbage people, to which Jadis said something barely comprehensible like, "guns. More need."

[TattleTeeny]

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Well, too late for me to care.  A murderer and first class asshole bully gets no sympathy from me.

I didn't mean to imply we should sympathize; I don't think I said anything like that. But people evolve (or devolve) and change. Just because he was a bad dude doesn't mean he's not sorry now for being a bad dude regardless of whether he gets sympathy. I think he's for real is what I was saying. What a viewer does with that is up to that person. Personally, I can sympathize with almost anyone on this show with enough back story, but that doesn't mean I also don't think they probably deserve whatever retribution comes their way.

[watch2much]

14 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

All too sadly true. "Atrocious" is the word.

He's only 50, I believe, but his starvation movie-role diet played hell with his looks and aged him terribly. I thought he looked as though he may have gained a couple of pounds, but he needs a lot more. Someone start force-feeding him lard sandwiches with that really good bread they have at the Sanctuary.

he should never have shaved the beard.  He looked much better then. 

[AngelaHunter]

1 hour ago, smorbie said:

Watch the scene in the bar again (I had to in order to know for sure). The chatty guy pulls his gun on Rick before Rick counters by pulling his own and shooting him.

Those guys deserved to die. They were too stupid to live. They position themselves in such a way that if their shot(s) missed Ricky, they'd shoot each other.

 

33 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

 I guess we will never get to see what happened when Sasha broke into the Savior Compound because we need more scenes of people yakking, or not being able to say more than one word.

To me, it's like Rick trapped in the RV: TPTB sat around asking each other, "So, like, how do we avoid Sasha being killed when she charges into the Sanctuary, gun blazing?" "Gee, I dunno. It doesn't make any sense, so maybe we should just avoid the whole thing?" "Good idea! Gee, you're so smart!" *High fives all around*

[millennium]

5 hours ago, JyDanzig said:

I hope the finale decisively closes the book on the Saviors and allows some version of fresh start for next year.  If it doesn't, I hope I have enough sense to resist the marketing bombardment and not come back to this show next October.

I share your sentiment.   But in an interview a few months ago, JDM alluded to his role and said something like "It's going to be an interesting few years."  Maybe he was being facetious.   Maybe not.

[AngelaHunter]

27 minutes ago, qtpye said:

Not even if he was dolphin smooth?

Especially if he's dolphin smooth. The image of a big giant ginger with the hairless body of a toddler? The stuff of which nightmares are made. *Shudder*

[Dobian]

I had to laugh when that one walker jumped on Gregory.  These things always plod along, and I can see how if you aren't paying close attention they can close the gap on you pretty fast.  But this thing leaped on him like a jungle cat, lol.  Maybe they're getting tips from the tiger.

[ShadowSixx]

Just now, Dobian said:

I had to laugh when that one walker jumped on Gregory.  These things always plod along, and I can see how if you aren't paying close attention they can close the gap on you pretty fast.  But this thing leaped on him like a jungle cat, lol.  Maybe they're getting tips from the tiger.

When I think about that scene, what the hell was taking Maggie so long with the walker she was dealing with? A simple walk up and stab in the head should take 3 seconds at most.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

And speaking of Gregory, how groaningly obvious was it when Maggie had to struggle and wrestle with one super-decayed walker - as she's never done before -  long enough to give us time to watch Gregory being so helpless and scared shitless by one of them?

This happens ALL the time. Perfectly fit people struggling with a bag of bones that is barely standing. Give me a fucking break. 

[TattleTeeny]

Oh my goodness, me too! I bet she was dilly-dallying on purpose, haha! Maybe even the zombies find him generally irritating.

Edited March 27, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[EllenC]

I was also distracted by the fact she was out there working alone, seemingly. Doesn't the buddy system generally seem like a good idea in a zombie apocalypse? A Dale (RIP)-style stealth walker can be on you in a second. 

[ShadowSixx]

1 minute ago, ghoulina said:

This happens ALL the time. Perfectly fit people struggling with a bag of bones that is barely standing. Give me a fucking break. 

IDK how strong they are cause it seems to change to fit the plot. Remember one walker was able to disembowel Dale. They're able to rip through skin with their hands. First season they were able to run, climb stairs, gates, and pick up rocks and bash it against a window. Maybe it would be better if the walkers mutated after a few years of being a walker like that game The Last of Us.

[Ohwell]

Got my fingers crossed and hoping Jerry and Man Bun survive.  I really don't care about anyone else.  

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Cyndie helped Tara leave Oceanside alive so why didn't Tara sneak in and try to talk to Cyndie, actually talk, not issue ultimatums, before CDB started blowing things up, and wasting bullets?  Also, if some of the Oceansiders want to go with Rick's group and fight, they should have.

I bet if they had approached them in this way and actually tried to TALK to them about it, they might have had a large amount want to sign up. The fact that even a few of them would still consider fighting, after the shit CDB/ASZ pulled storming into that place and stealing guns, shows me how much these women want Negan gone too. If Rick had just tried talk instead of bombs, he may very well have had a large enough majority on his side to get Oceanside to fight. It really makes no sense, to me, that the show went this route. Rick is a talker. He thinks he can talk anyone into anything. 

 

51 minutes ago, EllenC said:

I'm actually interested in Carl, too. I just wish it didn't feel like we've gone weeks without seeing characters and then jump into what should be deep-ish conversations. The pacing this season just feels wackier than ever, as we try to get all these new groups (with only a few non-anonymous characters) in place while listening to Negan talk. And talk.

Carl is one of my favorite characters and I've loved him since day one. But his short little scenes last night were cringe worthy. These writers SUCK at writing for children/young adults. They project, but don't actually understand. Carl and Enid having some deep, angsty conversation while all of this was going down was just so pathetic and unbelievable. 

[AngelaHunter]

6 minutes ago, ShadowSixx said:

Remember one walker was able to disembowel Dale.

Yes, and a huge herd of them couldn't give Tyreese or Glenn even a scratch, never mind a bite.

 

9 minutes ago, EllenC said:

A Dale (RIP)-style stealth walker can be on you in a second. 

I like the woods stealth walkers. Here they are, stumbling around, crashing into trees and snapping twigs and no redshirt ever hears them until they're grabbed.

[ghoulina]

9 minutes ago, ShadowSixx said:

IDK how strong they are cause it seems to change to fit the plot. Remember one walker was able to disembowel Dale. They're able to rip through skin with their hands. First season they were able to run, climb stairs, gates, and pick up rocks and bash it against a window. Maybe it would be better if the walkers mutated after a few years of being a walker like that game The Last of Us.

I can buy that early zombies DID have more strength. They are a lot more decomposed now and should be easier to take down. As a whole. Of course, new people will turn and not be so rotten. But, as a whole, most turned at the very beginning and should be barely standing by now. 

[LadyMustang65]

12 hours ago, millennium said:

 Anyway, I'm not buying into Tyson's Dwight's redemption.   Negan boasted to Sasha that "a little birdy" told him Rick is up to no good and something would have to be done about that.   Seems plausible that he might order Dwight to mosey over to Alexandria, pretend to be a traitor, and lead CDB into a setup. 

Thank you!!  I was beginning to think I was the only one who heard that and figured Dwight was sent there by Negan to set up Rick & Co. to walk into a trap by giving him false information or something.  And who was the "little birdy" who told Negan?  I'm thinking it was Gregory.  If memory serves, he spent a few minutes talking to the guy from the Saviors while the others were out looking around.  And he seems like just the kind of weasel who would squeal to protect himself.

[DEL901]

2 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

I hate seeing the tiger (I know it was in previews). It doesn't look real, tigers are wild animals and people would not be safe strolling around next to it. Another comic book thing that looks stupid on screen. I realize I have barely been posting on the last few episodes and it's because it is just tedious. I hope Eugene proves useful to CDB in the end or gets killed-never cared for him and he like Abraham and Rosita always seemed comic book to me. 

Also, what the heck have they been feeding it.  Tigers are carnivores.

2 hours ago, Sighed I said:

Maybe he was referring to Gregory's conversation with Simon? While the Saviors don't have definitive proof Hilltop is in cahoots with Alexandria, the timing between the demand for Gregory's head in exchange for the Hilltopian hostage and CDB's attack on the satellite location is way too convenient to ignore.

Or maybe he was referring to a much more recent conversation with Gregory who, after showing his uselessness in front of Maggie, ordered one of his minions to drive him somewhere.

As for Heath, he has been over on Skull island duking it out with Kong.

[alrightythen]

I don't have a good feeling about Carl's future.

I'm betting Heath's disappearance will set the stage for next season.  Tara found those matches with that PPP (or whatever) symbol on it.

[Dobian]

3 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

I hate seeing the tiger (I know it was in previews). It doesn't look real, tigers are wild animals and people would not be safe strolling around next to it. Another comic book thing that looks stupid on screen.

I worked at a wild animal park in college.  The head cat trainer would sometimes walk this male tiger around  the park on a big chain leash, just like Ezekiel in the show.  Of course, any control he had over it was just an illusion.  One day they walked in front of the stroller rental/candy and film shop I ran.  The tiger decided it was hungry for some M&Ms or something so he lunged up onto the candy trays on the counter right in front of me, his paws hanging over the counter less than a foot away from me while it rooted through the goodies.  The trainer yanked on his chain a couple of times and the tiger got back down like, "whatever".  But yes, I had 400 pounds of man-eater in my face, and was too stunned to even realize how much danger I was in until much later.

Edited March 27, 2017 by Dobian

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, DEL901 said:

Also, what the heck have they been feeding it.  Tigers are carnivores.

Walkers?