S03.E05: Season 3, Episode 5

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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A new witness tells Hardy and Ellie their story. This information turns Ellie and Hardy's understanding of Trish's case upside down. Katie discovers a crucial new link between the case and a key suspect. Ellie and Hardy investigate the suspect's alibi more closely and find worrying inconsistencies.

Edited July 27, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Even though I don't like Ed's crush on Trish, I loved him this week. First he refused to rent one of his caravans to Ian and then he punched Jim. Now if he could find reasons to punch Clive and Aaron, my night will be complete!

My heart broke listening to the new victim say that the reason she didn't report her rape when it happened was because she knew how she'd be painted for being a drunk woman wearing a short skirt. Sadly, it's all too true that rapes are underreported because the victims are treated like shit, blamed, called liars, slut shamed, and generally made to feel ashamed. In contrast, I loved that when Cath said that no one was judging Trish for being a rape victim, Trish immediately said, "Why would they judge me?"

Ugh, part of me was hoping that Aaron was the perpetrator because he's clearly a lying piece of shit. Now that we know that there was one rape he couldn't have committed because he was in prison, I don't know what to think. Hopefully it's one serial rapist, not a club of misogynists who take turns raping women.

Poor Daisy. But honestly I'm relieved that it was just a photo. I was afraid it was going to be a sex tape. I know it's still awful for her to deal with (and bless Chloe for continuing to be a friend to her).

So Jim has been cheating on Cath with multiple women for years. I already thought he was a dick because of his pasta comment a few weeks ago but this seals the deal. I kind of hope Cath goes scorched earth on him.

Clive sucks too. I really don't understand why any of these people stay married. If you clearly don't like each other, why force yourself to be in close proximity day after day? A few weeks ago, I had a moment where I felt sorry for Clive because the boy he raised as his son obviously wanted nothing to do with him. Now I can see why. He is needlessly cruel to his wife who just wants to have a family dinner.

During the taxi scene, I was conflicted because Clive is a dick so I can't feel that bad for him being threatened after he mouthed off. On the other hand, Jim is a total dick too so watching him lord it over a cabbie seemed over the top.

[staveDarsky]

Two things I picked up on, from Jim’s cab ride with Clive.

I suspect Clive is the area snitch and blackmailer. People get in his cab and he overhears things he can use to blackmail them or take advantage of to make money. The way he was going on about the party made me think he was heading for blackmailing Jim before Jim almost strangled him.

As for Jim, what makes sense is he’s got ties to organized crime – that’s how he could afford to throw Cath a lavish party when his business is not doing well. Also, did you get a load of her very expensive looking sky blue convertible? Those things aren’t cheap. He was quite convincing that he has connections who could hurt Clive and family. His going after Clive called back Susan Wright threatening Maggie and Joe strangling Danny in series 1.

Aaron the IT guy also reminds me that we had Steve the psychic phone installer in series 1 as well. I wonder what he got up to.

Despite all that, my chief suspects are Cath and Leah. I think Trish's attack was vengence for something. Except for Leo, the guys each seemed to do something that removed them from my list. Leah orchestrating it would be an enormous twist like we had in series 1 along with the "everyone thinks she's out of town but she's sneaked back" angle we saw with Ricky Gillespie in series 2.

Mark is wearing a red shirt. He'd been in blue up till this episode. That can't be good. I thought we were going to find out Joe had been dealing prescription drugs -- but there he is a port authority officer. Go figure.

Finally Daisy. That's heartbreaking. Hardy's whole reason for living and going through all his torment was to protect Daisy. Now his workaholic ways have resulted in her having no support when she needed it most. That was a great anguished groan David Tennant gave as he said "Noooo". I instantly got the sense that Hardy must have been bullied as a kid and now it looks like Daisy's headed for the lonely, antisocial life he's had. She was his hope for happiness, I think. The thing bugging fans is using Trish's case as an excuse when he had time to go on that Tinder date.

[Ravenya003]

I hate to say it, but my money's on Ed. He's clearly got a bad temper and a crush on Trish, and the simple fact that he seems decent (while every other man is a raging asshole) makes him my number one suspect. Also, they're setting up his arrogant daughter as someone who needs to be taken down a notch, which does not sit well with me. I really hope I'm wrong. 

[Lokiberry]

The sock they found was the same kind Leo was collecting from the sports team, and his girlfriend (Ines de Clerq, Arthur Darvill's wife, hee!) was lying about him spending the night with her. Jim is a shifty, violent asshole, who according to Cath may up to something that would allow her to "burn his world down". Ian broke into Trish's house, probably to steal her computer which he might be using to spy on her. Ed punch out Jim, but did he do it because Jim is a terrible human being or because he feels entitled to Trish because he likes her? Clive is a terrible human being. Aaron is a terrible human being. All those boys hounding Daisy because of the stolen photo are on their way towards being terrible human beings if their parents don't smack some sense into them.

I think the rapes taking place during the summer has something to do with the sports team. That puts the spotlight on Leo, but why would he only be doing it then? He lives there year round. What's the triggering event? Is this some kind of initiation?

Edited March 28, 2017 by Lokiberry

[mledawn]

This was the best episode so far this season. I spent almost the entire time with my stomach in knots.

I believed Chris Chibnall when he said we had seen the last of Joe, that LIAR!

All the men in this episode are some kind of jackass, except Paul. Even Hardy just doesn't see how his daughter needs him. I was yelling at him to hug her in their scene on the couch.

Poor Ed, it seemed like his feelings for Trish are what kept a little light inside him. Why has the fact that he is the young DI's father not come up yet at the station? I suspect it will next ep when he's brought in for booting Jim in the face...

Ian deserves a boot in the crotch for breaking into that house, for his connection with Leo, and for being an apparent serial adulterer like his good buddy Jim.

The cab driver getting strangled was a highlight - he is such a dicksmack to his family and to everyone else.

Basically I hate everyone but the core crew and I can't look away.

Okay, edited to say that's not true - I am not fond of the men. I actually started to warm to the young DI in this ep, also. Bottom line anyway: best ep so far.

Edited March 30, 2017 by mledawn

[Eucrid]

Jim doesn't seem like a guy who goes to the cops because someone gave him a couple of kicks. I think he may handle the situation himself.

I'm kind throwing away my Cath theory, she seemed too surprised by Trish's confession and she was suitably horrible in the way I expect she would be if it was new news.

The webcam theory from the thread for the last episode is pretty inspired, I think that could be exactly what the ex-husband is up to. Although I think him coming in at the end of the episode is just his lack of anywhere else to go.

The serial nature of these rapes is really interesting now. Who's only there during the summer? Or who has time during the summer, the ex-hubbie is a teacher but it seems a bit contrived that he's a serial rapist who then decided to rape his ex-wife. I think its more likely the caravans are important but I don't think that makes sense for Ed.  TBH I don't think any of our main suspects did it, just like season one they are a parade of red herrings. Who lived in the caravans in season 1? Pauline Quirkes character was a right weirdo but she didn't do it, who else was involved with her? Maybe psychic Steve, he was a total loon.

And am I the only completely fed up of boring, moaning Paul? "oh no one wants my help" boo hoo, get over it.

[mledawn]

Eucrid, I agree about Jim but I think it'll come out anyway because his face was fine and then it's not...Ellie or Hardy or SOMEONE will ask and it will get out what happened.

I hadn't thought about Ian just breaking in for a lie-down, that's interesting. I do think he's still trying to get the computer, but having no where else to stay gives him an out if he's caught.

Edited March 30, 2017 by mledawn
adding Trish's husband's name

[Eucrid]

Yeah he might go for the computer too but it'd make no sense to go for it in the middle of the night as it'd most likely be in Trish or the daughters room. Maybe he'll stay a night or two and try to get at it while there. I think it was just a classic red herring though, these things usually are on Broadchurch.

[secnarf]

On 2017-03-30 at 8:10 AM, Eucrid said:

And am I the only completely fed up of boring, moaning Paul? "oh no one wants my help" boo hoo, get over it.

He also doesn't really seem to play a role in the story. I'm starting to wonder if he is raping these women just to have people that might want his help.

[spottedreptile]

I don't understand what Sarah said about the text she sent Trish: 'Shut up. Shut up or else.' When she was confronted with it, she said "I didn't know Trish was raped when I sent it."

So the text was about something else? What was that? What does Trish know about Sarah or Ian that Sarah wants her to shut up about? This wasn't clear to me. Or is it something that is yet to emerge?

[staveDarsky]

10 hours ago, secnarf said:

He also doesn't really seem to play a role in the story. I'm starting to wonder if he is raping these women just to have people that might want his help.

My problem with all the "Paul is the rapist" theories is that we've seen no connection between Paul and Trish. Trish's attack looks to be premeditated because she was hit with a hard object that knocked her out, tied up with the blue twine, and gagged. That planning points to Trish being targeted for a reason and that means her attacker knew her. But Paul needed Beth to make the offer of counselling. At the same time there are several people in Trish's circle who had some reason they might want to attack her as revenge for something.

I know Joe popped up out of left field in series 1, but it was established to all of us that he knew Danny. He was in Danny's circle.

It seems to me that Paul's story and Maggie's story are heading in the same direction. They're both going to have to leave Broadchurch for opportunities elsewhere because the people of Broadchurch just can't sustain them. Now, it could be that Paul is on the verge of drinking again, and what keeps him away from the bottle is to be busy with work. No work; nothing to keep him falling off the wagon, and he's scared. That's why he's moaning about no congregation and trying so hard to have someone to counsel.

I do think Chibnall's plan in ending the series is to make Broadchurch, the town, unlivable for all the characters we've known since series 1. Ollie, Jocelyn and presumably Lucy and Becca have all left. Daisy doesn't want to stay. The series ends with the rest of them going for various reasons. It would be ironic if Hardy was the only one to stay.

10 hours ago, spottedreptile said:

I don't understand what Sarah said about the text she sent Trish: 'Shut up. Shut up or else.' When she was confronted with it, she said "I didn't know Trish was raped when I sent it."

So the text was about something else? What was that? What does Trish know about Sarah or Ian that Sarah wants her to shut up about? This wasn't clear to me. Or is it something that is yet to emerge?

Great catch!

Edited April 3, 2017 by staveDarsky

[Desperately Random]

2 hours ago, staveDarsky said:

It seems to me that Paul's story and Maggie's story are heading in the same direction. They're both going to have to leave Broadchurch for opportunities elsewhere because the people of Broadchurch just can't sustain them. Now, it could be that Paul is on the verge of drinking again, and what keeps him away from the bottle is to be busy with work. No work; nothing to keep him falling off the wagon, and he's scared. That's why he's moaning about no congregation and trying so hard to have someone to counsel.

Interesting theory. I had forgotten that Paul had a drinking problem and his having too much time on his hands and feeling unfulfilled in his job would be triggers to start drinking again. I hope this is addressed at some point. I like Paul and wouldn't mind seeing this aspect of his character explored a little more before the end of the series.

I have really been enjoying this season. Every episode has left me wanting to see what happens next. So far, I would say this is better than last season (but not as good as season 1) and Trish, Cath and the rest have been nice additions to the show. Of course Hardy and Miller are the best part of Broadchurch and seeing them finally settle in as partners, who are comfortable and trust each other completely, has made me realize how much I'm going to miss them when this season ends. I do hope we see DT and OC in some other show because they are golden together. Still, whatever they do in the future they will always be Hardy and Miller to me.

[Mackey]

I'm thinking that the rapist is going to turn out to be someone who works with food or booze. That's the link to the three situations.  Unfortunately, my prediction bodes badly for this bring an interesting "who done it"  conclusion. We don't have anyone in food or alchohol service that we are invested in, do we? 

Edited July 27, 2017 by Mackey

[mjc570]

I hate to admit this, but I am starting to dislike Trish.  It was bad enough that she slept with her best friend's husband (on that friend's birthday, no less) but then she felt constrained to tell Cath.  I think that was a selfish thing to do.  Either Jim or the police (if it were relevant to the investigation) should have done it.  In fact, now that I think of it, is there any evidence that Trish - or anyone in Broadchurch, except perhaps Beth -  has done something nice for anyone?  What an unlikable group of people.  Glad I don't live there!

[voiceover]

Yeah, I'm not quite there with Trish's confession to Cath.  If the news was about to come out (via newspaper or trial), then, sure.  But "I want to be honest with you" -- hm.  You mean, in your attempt to regain some moral high ground, you'll hurt the innocent party.  Whatever else Cath may have done, she was the victim in that episode.  Made it worse when it came out that she'd told Trish about her husband's affairs.

The bombshell about Daisy was more of a firecracker at this point.  Still hideous, though.  I hate this sl.

It's 2017; even someone my age gets that you can have an iPhone, or you can have privacy, but not always both.  I thought Miller was spot-on as usual with how she defined parenthood to her partner.  Who knew that nowadays the "drinkdrugsex" lecture would needs must be accompanied by, "And whatever you do, my darling: no naked photos til you're married!"

(eta: If the photo was taken without her knowledge -- I might have misunderstood the "origin" reference -- pls ignore above. Either way, my first instinct would be to line up everybody involved & smack the shit out of them.)

Part of me wants Daisy to toughen up & brazen it out at school.  This is the reason she's fortunate in her new friend.  But her desire to leave town/country/ hemisphere is very understandable.

On 3/29/2017 at 5:57 PM, mledawn said:

Hardy just doesn't see how his daughter needs him. I was yelling at him to hug her in their scene on the couch.

 

No.  Understanding that she needs him, sure.  Hugging her at that moment?  Totally out of character.

Edited July 27, 2017 by voiceover

[LisaM]

So is the connection between Leo, the athlete with the socks, and Clive, the taxi driver, yet another red herring or were they in on all of the rapes together?

I think I can count the Broadchurch people who are decent and likeable on one hand. It's a tamer version of the Hellmouth.

Do we know that there is a relationship between Ed from the feed store and the young police officer? (I saw this upthread but I'm not sure if it is true.)

Connecting Chloe and Daisy was an interesting move. Was Daisy's photo part of the "porn" that Miller's son was watching on his phone?

Love Hardy and Miller together. Will miss them when this is over.

[ghoulina]

Damnit, those soccer socks! This is a big clue, no? I really hope it's somehow a red herring, because I started to formulate a theory last night. 

All the women were raped after attending parties, being out at the bar, walking home alone, etc. That sort of thing. Who might have a connection to all of those? One of the band guys we saw interviewed earlier in the season.  They played the party, and might also have been playing gigs at the local pubs. The one guy told Hardy and Miller that he say Ed storming off to the gardens that night. But maybe that was to cast their net in another direction? Just something I started thinking about last night. 

Speaking of Ed, I'm over him and his knight in shining armour bullshit. 

Clive continues to remain horrible. "I don't pay attention to you". Bastard. I can't say I wasn't happy to see him choked. 

Cath was equally nasty with her, "Why would someone rape YOU?" - I get that she was hurt, and rightfully so, but damn. 

The sex offender guy is clearly lying, but so is soccer dude. Who's lying about what??? Grrrr. Watching this show on a weekly basis is soooo much harder. 

 

I'm really over Mark's storyline. As much as I would not have cared if he killed Joe in seasons one or two, it just feels a bit delayed at this point for me to care, and doesn't seem to mesh well with the main storyline. 

[ghoulina]

On 4/2/2017 at 9:58 PM, spottedreptile said:

I don't understand what Sarah said about the text she sent Trish: 'Shut up. Shut up or else.' When she was confronted with it, she said "I didn't know Trish was raped when I sent it."

So the text was about something else? What was that? What does Trish know about Sarah or Ian that Sarah wants her to shut up about? This wasn't clear to me. Or is it something that is yet to emerge?

I touched on this in the thread for last week's episode, but I assumed it was in reference to Trish either talking TO Ian, or talking ABOUT him around town. I took it for something really catty and petty, typical jealous girlfriend shit. 

 

53 minutes ago, LisaM said:

Do we know that there is a relationship between Ed from the feed store and the young police officer? (I saw this upthread but I'm not sure if it is true.)

Yes, she visited him earlier in the season. 

[BindsTheTuna]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

Do we know that there is a relationship between Ed from the feed store and the young police officer? (I saw this upthread but I'm not sure if it is true.)

When he answered the door, she said "Hey, dad."

[meep.meep]

Jim wasn't kidding when he warned Trish about telling Cath.  She's a psychopath.  

[raven]

13 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Speaking of Ed, I'm over him and his knight in shining armour bullshit.

I wanted to like him but he has a nasty streak - gloating over Ian and then beating and kicking Jim.   The actor is good, switching from friendly and genial to snide and violent pretty easily.

I give Trish a pass on her confession to Cath.  Yep, it was a shitty thing to do, sleeping with your friend's husband, the husband you know has cheated on her before, never mind on the day of said friend's birthday party...but what Trish has been through is much worse, she knows it's going to come out and she's handling it clumsily.  There's not really a best time for this confession and I found Trish realistic in that moment.  I sympathized with Cath there, even with the awful "who would rape you" comment.   This person you trusted so much, you've been feeling guilty about because an awful thing happened to her at your party, has betrayed you.    I found that whole scene really well done.

Have no idea what the hell is going on with the rapes.  Why would slimy Aaron the convicted rapist tell such an obvious lie to the police?  His wife is abused in some way, look at how she stands behind him and quiets down when he tells her.  He better end up back in jail for something.

[tennisgurl]

Oh man, that fight/confession was just nasty to witness. Trish did something awful, so Cath lashed out with her awful "who would rape you?" comment, which really seemed to be crossing a line. But, Cath felt unbelievably betrayed by her best friend screwing her husband (for no reason that she can offer), even after Cath complained to Trish herself about her husbands possible infidelities. She's been feeling guilty about what happened to Trish this whole time, and now she finds out about this betrayal. What she said was awful, but she was hurting and pissed off. I can also understand Trish wanting to tell her the truth now that it might come out in the investigation, but you almost wonder how it could do any good.

Oh poor Daisy. Never leave your nude photos where anyone can find them. And I felt for Hardy too, he really does try so hard to be a good parent, but he struggles with his workaholic tendencies. Its not like he's out there trying to make tons of money or getting drunk or something, he's trying to catch a rapist. but it still sucks that he cant spend the time with his daughter that he wants to. At least she has Chloe. Its nice to see her being a friend and kind of mentor to a younger girl going through some bad stuff. I did really enjoy Miller giving Hardy advice on how to deal with the Daisy situation. They really are just gold together, whether they're being snarky, or genuine and sweet.

So many red hearings, so little time. At this point, so many of the guys are so awful, that I wouldn't be that surprised to see them all as some part of deranged rape cult of idiots who cant stop acting suspicious to the cops AND the audience. For real though, I have no clue who the bad guy could be. I have thought that Trish was raped by someone who knew her, and this was personal, its now looking like this is a serial rapist, who has been active for at least a few years and is attacking random women. Or maybe Trish was raped by a different guy who she knows, and the other rapes were by someone else? Maybe the person who raped Trish found out about the serial rapes, and did this to try to blend in, just in case he was discovered? Seems like a reach. Now I'm looking at the guy in the band, who we saw and was allowed to make a small impression without being too creepy, and hasn't been seen since. The attacks seemed to be at parties and pubs in the summer, maybe his band travels, and he's in the area around that time, and he rapes women after his gigs?

[DoubleUTeeEff]

So Ed beats up Jim just because he slept with Trish. Consensually. Not because he cheated on his wife. Notice how when Cath was telling Ed about what happened, he didn't care that Jim slept with other women but that Jim slept with Trish. I doubt Trish is going to receive any of his punishment even though she slept with Jim just as much as Jim slept with her. Ed is a dick. He thinks it's cool to beat up a man for daring to sleep with a woman that I guess he's either interested in himself or thinks of as some pure Madonna who needs to be protected from men like Jim. I'll take it all back if Ed knows Jim is the rapist but then why wouldn't he tell the police?

I think Trish should have confessed to Cath because it's going to come out eventually and if Jim isn't going to confess, it has to be Trish. If there was no way Cath would ever find out, then it would be better for Trish to keep it to herself. I hope that when Cath seeks her revenge, she directs it all at Jim. I know Trish is/was her friend, but Jim is the one who promised to be faithful to her when he married her (I"m assuming.)

[Mabinogia]

that scene between Cath and Trish was brutal. I don't know what would have possessed Trish to screw her best friends cheating, scumbag husband. I think it would have been slightly more palatable if Trish had been madly in love with him for years and he finally showed and interest and she just lost herself in the moment. But if it was just because she wanted to get laid, why her friends husband?

I do appreciate that the show isn't making the victim some saint because I'm mature enough to handle her being not so nice but still not deserving what happened to her. But I just hope that her sexual desires don't end up being the reason she was raped. So far I don't think so. I think it will be a redherring.

I was so torn, I didn't know who to root for in that cab fight. lol They are both terrible. Now Ed is terrible too.

Thing with Daisy is, why would she keep a naked pic of herself on her phone? I could see if it was the old "I sent it to my boyfriend and he passed it around" but I thought she said someone found it on her phone. If you do have to do the naked selfie, as soon as you send it you delete it from your phone, then you log onto the cloud and you delete it from there. Then you go find your boyfriend and you delete it from his phone too. Poor thing. New to town and that is how she makes a first impression. I don't blame her for just wanting to hightail it out of there.

So now 3 victims in about 2 years, all over the summer, all after the woman has been partying/out drinking, all outside. I don't know what to make of it. But I'd ask those other two women if they noticed any strange light because I 100% believe these rapes are being filmed. Now, I could be wrong, but that is the impression I'm getting so far.

[tennisgurl]

You know, this season really makes me appreciate Hardy even more than I already had (and not just because he's apparently one of maybe three or four guys within 100 miles who isn't a total scumbag), because you can really see how much natural empathy he has, and how much he really cares about the victims and survivors of crimes, and his strong sense of justice. It gets hidden beneath his awful people skills and generally brusc personality, but he just cares so much, even if he has trouble showing it. 

[ghoulina]

14 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Now I'm looking at the guy in the band, who we saw and was allowed to make a small impression without being too creepy, and hasn't been seen since. The attacks seemed to be at parties and pubs in the summer, maybe his band travels, and he's in the area around that time, and he rapes women after his gigs?

That's what I posted above! I think it's a very promising theory, so welcome aboard! (I'll most likely change this theory next week to someone completely different, haha!)

 

5 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

You know, this season really makes me appreciate Hardy even more than I already had (and not just because he's apparently one of maybe three or four guys within 100 miles who isn't a total scumbag), because you can really see how much natural empathy he has, and how much he really cares about the victims and survivors of crimes, and his strong sense of justice. It gets hidden beneath his awful people skills and generally brusc personality, but he just cares so much, even if he has trouble showing it. 

I agree. And that's why he makes such a good partner with Millah, because she totally wears her heart on her sleeve. Look at her face in any given scene - you know exactly what she thinks of someone! Hardy is driven as hell. He feels incredibly badly for his victims, but he also wants to plow ahead and get shit solved, so there are not OTHER victims. Miller is a bit more slow and deliberate. They balance each other out quite nicely, because there's a time and place for both styles. 

[pezgirl7]

I have two theories. The first is that the cab driver did it. And maybe he had his stepson film the last one, which is why his son acted kinda strange when Tom wanted to show him porn, and another reason why he's currently pissed off at his stepdad. The other is that it's different guys, and is some kind of initiation for the football team. I think the sock is a huge clue.

[ghoulina]

The sock does seem like a big clue. Which is why it pissed me off, because I was so gung ho about my band member theory! I do "like" (as much as one can like anything in this case) the initiation idea. That would explain the sock and also the long periods of time in between rapes. So gross to think of, though. 

[Chyromaniac]

Here's a tip Mark - maybe don't take the company van on your vendetta road trip. You know - the one with your name in big yellow letters on the side?

As for the sock - did it seem to anyone else that it didn't quite match the ones the footballers were wearing? It almost seemed like an older style sock, with wider stripes. Either that, or the dog really did a number on it.

[Mackey]

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that scene between Cath and Trish was brutal. I don't know what would have possessed Trish to screw her best friends cheating, scumbag husband. I think it would have been slightly more palatable if Trish had been madly in love with him for years and he finally showed and interest and she just lost herself in the moment. But if it was just because she wanted to get laid, why her friends husband?

You said this perfectly. Only the very, very, very worst of people in my acquaintanceship would be so cavalier.

[Milburn Stone]

19 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

that scene between Cath and Trish was brutal. I don't know what would have possessed Trish to screw her best friends cheating, scumbag husband. I think it would have been slightly more palatable if Trish had been madly in love with him for years and he finally showed and interest and she just lost herself in the moment. But if it was just because she wanted to get laid, why her friends husband?

And if it was a matter of being so overwhelmed by lust that the impulse was irresistible, I'm amazed that such a moment could happen in the morning. But that's just me. :)

[atlantaloves]

(commenting to "so overwhelmed by lust that impulse was" ......) Yeah, unless you happen to be totally shit faced drunk in the morning, because that is the only way something like that could happen with a friend's husband, and I would think you would have to be on drugs as well. Sorry, but there is no excuse for what Trish did. None. 

[smorbie]

On 7/28/2017 at 11:09 PM, Chyromaniac said:

Here's a tip Mark - maybe don't take the company van on your vendetta road trip. You know - the one with your name in big yellow letters on the side?

As for the sock - did it seem to anyone else that it didn't quite match the ones the footballers were wearing? It almost seemed like an older style sock, with wider stripes. Either that, or the dog really did a number on it.

I think it's well established that Mark is Id personified.  He is just one big spur-of-the-moment emotion.  I'm not surprised he took the van.  I'm only surprised he didn't have Lizzie with him.

[smorbie]

On 7/29/2017 at 1:49 AM, Mackey said:

You said this perfectly. Only the very, very, very worst of people in my acquaintanceship would be so cavalier.

This is a tough one.  Cath has EVERY reason to feel the way she does and to say the things she did up to and excluding the "why would anyone rape you" thing?  I know what she was getting at.  The question was really why would anyone have sex with you?  Or more pointedly why would my husband have sex with you?  The answer to that is obvious.  He's a man who will have sex with anything; he's not exactly picky.  He's on the make always.

I'm sorry for Cath; I really am.  She's lost her best friend.  I know Trish has, too, and Trish really needs her bestie right now. But, that's a decision she made when she decided to have sex with Cath's husband just for funsies.  What did she think would happen if when it got out?

I think they are trying to make it hard to feel sorry for Trish.  She's not a particularly nice person it seems.  She likes to party and may have round heels.  But she didn't deserve to be raped.

21 hours ago, atlantaloves said:

(commenting to "so overwhelmed by lust that impulse was" ......) Yeah, unless you happen to be totally shit faced drunk in the morning, because that is the only way something like that could happen with a friend's husband, and I would think you would have to be on drugs as well. Sorry, but there is no excuse for what Trish did. None. 

Agreed.  It was one of the worst betrayals imaginable.  That's why I don't fault Cath for her reaction.  In one sentence both women lost their best friends.  They both also lost their support systems.  One stupid decision for something that had no meaning at all cost them so much.

[2727]

Do most people like Trish?

In a normal murder mystery the victims are gone. We get stories from the living about what they were like, and perhaps a few flashbacks, but we don't really know them.

This time we know Trish, although only her traumatized, post-attack self. But she doesn't come off as very likable to me in her interactions with others -- her boss, ex, and certainly Cath. She was drunk at the party (3 wines, 2 vodkas and 3 tequila shots), which, come on. At best, that's tacky behavior for someone in her 50s. (Not that her level of intoxication in any way invites rape.) I didn't like her obstructing the investigation by refusing to say who she had sex with -- it's going to come out in the freaking DNA tests, Trisha.

Was she deliberately supposed to be a bit unsympathetic? It seems like an odd storytelling choice, if so.

[Mabinogia]

I still like Trish. She's a flawed human being. I get why she didn't want to tell the cops she screwed her best friends husband the morning she was raped. She's still in shock, she's still trying to process everything and here she is, a victim, and now her biggest mistake is being exposed because someone decided to attack and rape her. (now if it is revealed this wasn't the first time, or she has a pattern of cheating, no, I'll still feel sorry for her. What happened to her is terrible and that shouldn't be lessened just because she makes bad choices. Unless she raped someone, or killed someone, then al bets are off).

I don't find her likeable as such, but I have deep sympathy for her. Her life is crumbling. And because she choice to report her rape, her entire life is being exposed. It is not fair. It is the rapist whose every mistake should be brought to light, but instead, as happens in rape cases, it is the victim whose life is torn apart, who is called a slut, or easy or looked at differently because she went to a party and had too many drinks.

I love that the show is holding up a flashlight to this. Trish isn't perfect and didn't deserve to be raped. But she also doesn't deserve to have her behaviours held under a microscope and judged. In a small town like that, her life is ruined now.

I hate that she slept with the husband, just because, that's terrible, but other than that she seems like a normal person who was just living her life one day and something tragic happened and now her whole life is in question. Terrible. Rape is one crime where they victim just keeps getting victimized.

[MaryPatShelby]

3 hours ago, 2727 said:

She was drunk at the party (3 wines, 2 vodkas and 3 tequila shots), which, come on. At best, that's tacky behavior for someone in her 50s.

I didn't know there was an age limitation on how much one can drink at a party!  I'm really just kidding;  know exactly what you mean.  I process arrest warrants for a living and whenever a warrant is for someone in their 50's, and even 40's, I think "Aren't you old enough to know better?"

Let's not forgot Cath's other zinger, when she said to Trish (paraphrasing here) "I didn't know Jim was turned on by the smell of mildew."  Whoa!

Edited July 30, 2017 by MaryPatShelby

[jeansheridan]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 9:08 PM, mjc570 said:

was bad enough that she slept with her best friend's husband (on that friend's birthday, no less) but then she felt constrained to tell Cath.  I think that was a selfish thing to do. 

Ordinarily I would agree about telling especially for a one off, but given the police knew and it would come out, I understand why Trish told. Jim refused to so she had to.

Cath was brutal to her. And I am sorry but her whole, it was worse because it was my birthday seems immature. 

But I like that Trish did not pussyfoot around it. Got it out and fast.

There are two guys we haven't revisited. The musician who rolled his own cigarette and the caterer.  Plus the Lord of the Manor with his dog finding clues. Maybe he is the type who likes to see how close he can get to the investigation. But that seems too "master criminal" for this show.

[Mabinogia]

3 minutes ago, jeansheridan said:

Cath was brutal to her. And I am sorry but her whole, it was worse because it was my birthday seems immature. 

I really wonder why Cath is still with that jerk. There is clearly no love in that relationship and given his philandering she'd probably be able to take him to the cleaners, especially because her threat to him makes me think he's doing illegal things she knows about so she could easily get out of that marriage with a nice little payout if she wanted.

I still can't get over Trish having a casual one night stand with her friends husband. Maybe she thought, since Cath complains all the time about what a cheat he is, that she wouldn't care as much, but she had to know she, as a friend, was betraying Cath and that betrayal would hurt her, even if her husbands betrayals no longer did. IDK there's got to be way more going on between these people. Or Broadchurch just attracts the worst people on earth. lol

[jeansheridan]

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Mackey said:

But if it was just because she wanted to get laid, why her friends husband?

Okay, so you are about 50, your husband has left you, you are not conventionally attractive  (this has been pointed out on the show several times), your daughter is gone for once, your bloody boiler is broken and just maybe you are depressed. I am not saying it was the moral choice but I get it. Being older and having fewer options makes for poor decisions. 

[jeansheridan]

7 hours ago, smorbie said:

One stupid decision for something that had no meaning at all cost them so much.

They could choose differently. Beth and Ellie did. Given time. But I am not sure they were all that close. Work mates and obviously knew things going on like affairs and divorces.

[mjc570]

1 hour ago, jeansheridan said:

Okay, so you are about 50, your husband has left you, you are not conventionally attractive  (this has been pointed out on the show several times), your daughter is gone for once, your bloody boiler is broken and just maybe you are depressed. I am not saying it was the moral choice but I get it. Being older and having fewer options makes for poor decisions. 

I see your point, about Trish not being"conventionally attractive" and having fewer choices because she is older, which is why I find all this pre-rape male fascination with her somewhat unbelievable.  Her ex, Ed and now Jim - every man seems to want her.  I get that Jim will sleep with anything/anyone, but still.   OF course, she looked much better at the party (hadn't yet been raped so was feeling good, had on make-up and a pretty dress), and I think she's shown courage by reporting the rape and trying to be helpful to the police, but I just don't get it.  I'm trying not to be shallow, but she really isn't such a good person (sleeping with her best friend's husband, sorry, that really is awful). 

[smorbie]

3 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

They could choose differently. Beth and Ellie did. Given time. But I am not sure they were all that close. Work mates and obviously knew things going on like affairs and divorces.

They refer to each other as best friends, don't they?  And as horrible as what happened to Beth was, Ellie didn't do it to her.  She was as horrified as poor Beth.  She also paid a big price for the actions of her husband.

And, yes.  They could make a choice to get past it and move on together.  Life is strange and maybe they will.  Some people can.  I think, though, it's more common for it not to be that way.

[jeansheridan]

5 hours ago, smorbie said:

Some people can.  I think, though, it's more common for it not to be that way.

This is probably true. I guess I can't see what Trish did as the worst thing ever given other things happening--rapes, murders, etc. And Cathy has never spoken well of her husband.

I like the points some of you have made about where did the money come from for that big party and her nice car. Although I would think a mechanic could get a nice car quite easily.

[smorbie]

20 hours ago, MaryPatShelby said:

"I didn't know Jim was turned on by the smell of mildew.

I'll admit I didn't get that one.

[Voice of Joy]

I love that the writers have made Trish such a flawed character, because coupled with the comments of the earlier rape victim about why she didn't come forward, it so clearly shows why raped women don't come forward more often.  

I don't blame Cath for her anger, but something tells me she is no saint either.  Why is she still with such an asshole in a loveless marriage?  I hope the show explains.

 

To the actual "whodunnit":  I don't think the convicted rapist had anything to do with any of this.  Which begs the question as to why he lied about his whereabouts.  Is he trying to make the police look bad when it's discovered they focused on him and he didn't do it?

Leo is clearly involved in some way, but I think he's more likely the person who films and possibly distributes this as porn?  

With Clive's help some way?  And the boy - Clive's "son" - is onto him somehow.  If I were a violent thinking person I'd love for his poor sweet wife to take a butcherknife to him.

Just a thought - Jim' s having sex with Trish the morning of is a perfect cover for a rape later...but he seems too obvious in terms of the show.

The reveal that the musician is on Leo's soccer team (that was him with the man bun, wasn't it?) makes me point the finger at him now.  He was so easy breezy in the interview (kinda likeable like Tom in S1)  Add that to Ellie's observation that the rapes are seasonal and connected to pubs, this is quite damning.  Maybe the musician is the rapist and Leo films?  And let's not forget that Jim hired the band...

Hmmm.

 

Now to poor Hardy - he's tragic in many ways, and I love how disgusted he is with the men they've interviewed.  His tendency to hold people at arms length emotionally isn't because he's cold on the inside.  It seems more because keeps himself bottled up and he cannot allow himself to express how much he really cares.  He works so hard at his job because he does get involved emotionally.  Which unfortunately takes him away from the daughter he clearly cares deeply about.  

Having Ellie as a friend is a great thing for him.  She may be righteously aggravated at him from time to time, but she understands his grumpiness comes from a spot of genuineness, and she has his respect as a person and an officer.

Ellie continues to be the heart of this show.  I laughed out loud at her quote about how parenthood is a constant slap around the head.  As a parent, I so appreciated that wisdom.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Voice of Joy

[ElectricBoogaloo]

On 7/30/2017 at 8:48 AM, 2727 said:

Do most people like Trish?

In a normal murder mystery the victims are gone. We get stories from the living about what they were like, and perhaps a few flashbacks, but we don't really know them.

This time we know Trish, although only her traumatized, post-attack self. But she doesn't come off as very likable to me in her interactions with others -- her boss, ex, and certainly Cath. She was drunk at the party (3 wines, 2 vodkas and 3 tequila shots), which, come on. At best, that's tacky behavior for someone in her 50s. (Not that her level of intoxication in any way invites rape.) I didn't like her obstructing the investigation by refusing to say who she had sex with -- it's going to come out in the freaking DNA tests, Trisha.

Was she deliberately supposed to be a bit unsympathetic? It seems like an odd storytelling choice, if so.

For me, the point of making Trish flawed is that you can make terrible decisions that hurt other people, but that doesn't mean you deserve to be raped. Unfortunately, many rape victims who press charges end up being the ones who are put on trial. The defense will comb through the victim's life to find anything they can use against them - their drinking habits, their sex lives, how they dress, etc. when the fact of the matter is that even if you are a shitty person who is mean to your coworkers, has sex with different people every night of the week, and drinks, you still don't deserve to be raped. Rape victims deserve both sympathy and empathy no matter what other choices they have made. It's easy to feel sorry for a pretty young girl who is a popular straight A student, but an unlikable 50 year old woman who sleeps with her best friend's husband STILL doesn't deserve to be raped and STILL deserves sympathy and empathy.

[smorbie]

On 8/1/2017 at 3:38 PM, Voice of Joy said:

I don't blame Cath for her anger, but something tells me she is no saint either.  Why is she still with such an asshole in a loveless marriage?  I hope the show explains.

I don't necessarily think it's a loveless marriage.  If it were, she wouldn't care what he did.  I think it's a very angry marriage.  I think she and Jim are both extremely angry people.  What bonds them together is a mystery,

Spoiler

but it was clear from the second she walked into that garage she wasn't really going to kick him out.

Edited August 4, 2017 by smorbie