Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

[InsertWordHere]

The Leia/Resistance plot for the first half of the movie really reminded me of Battlestar Galactica. 

They were really trolling the audience hard with the Kylo/Rey scenes. 

And of course, Luke proved to be the Master Jedi troll. 

I am glad they didn't kill Leia, but I really wish it wasn't obvious that Episode IX was meant to be Leia's film and now we'll never get to see it. I'm so glad we got a Leia and Luke scene, that was one of my main wishes after Episode VII, especially since we didn't get a Luke/Han scene. I like that they included Luke reacting to Han's death. The Chewy and Leia hug doesn't make up for the lack of hug after Han's death.  Chewy was underused in general. 

Did I miss it, or did we not actually hear Rose tell Finn about her sister's necklace?

And is someone going to rescue Luke's X-wing from the ocean? 

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The only thing I was waiting for that didn't happen was for someone - preferably a Skywalker - to lose a hand. It's tradition!

I totally thought that would happen when Kylo held out his hand to Rey. 

Edited December 15, 2017 by InsertWordHere

[Unusual Suspect]

So, just back from the late night showing. My spoiler free review: There was some cheesy lines. Like, really cheesy. But this also might be the movie's strength, it is unabashed in it's point of view and emotional core.

[ulkis]

3 hours ago, InsertWordHere said:

 I'm so glad we got a Leia and Luke scene, that was one of my main wishes after Episode VII, especially since we didn't get a Luke/Han scene.

Glad to hear this. Read the wiki summary and they left that out, and was really annoyed there was apparently no Luke/Leia scene, the one thing I wanted from this movie.

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The Leia/Resistance plot for the first half of the movie really reminded me of Battlestar Galactica.

The director said he was influenced by some stuff from BSG. (And the article in which I read that noted that that was funny given George Lucas sued the original BSG because he thought it was ripping off of Star Wars.)

Edited December 15, 2017 by ulkis

[absnow54]

There are some moments that I think work on paper, like the twist of Kylo killing Snoke but the way it's executed is just lame, particularly in that it leaves Snoke, a huge part of this series' putative backstory, totally unexplained.

This. They could get away with omitting Palpetine's backstory in the original trilogy because we were watching episodes IV through VI. We already knew that we'd landed on a story in the middle of its arc. But we've picked back up with the story with no missing chapters in between, so if you're going to present some elaborate backstory where a villain seduces the offspring of our fucking heroes, you should really take some time to develop that backstory before you kill the guy off. And no, I'm not going to read 30 supplemental books so that I can understand one of the biggest plot points of the new trilogy. Everything surrounding the First Order is really infuriating, because they're as powerful as, or even more powerful than the Empire, but it's like... how? They blew up a handful of planets, that I get held a large portion of the Republic Fleet, but now there are only like 20 people left in the entire galaxy fighting them?

[HeySandyStrange]

Kylo killing Snoke was a pretty big shock and plot twist in the moment, but reflecting on it after a few hours it really destroys some of the plot building the two movies were trying to do. It just doesn't make sense, you have an extremely powerful force user like Snoke who, because of his force and political powers, seems to obviously have some kind of heavy back story. You don't just get power like that out of nowhere. And now...nothing? Though to be honest I'm not a 100% convinced Snoke's story is done. I'm not a Star Wars fanatic, per say, so I don't have the best grasp on the lore, but if powerful good Jedi can come back as handy dandy force ghosts, could dark Jedi somehow subvert death? I wouldn't be surprised.

[kokapetl]

The galaxy is now run by those two?! 

There was too much comic relief. Space Monaco ?? was really dumb. Frog nuns also dumb. 

Edited December 15, 2017 by Kokapetl

[absnow54]

The galaxy is now run by those two?!

In Episode IX, we see that the First Order has already been defeated, because Kyle Ron is wasting all their resources shooting Luke's Force ghost across the galaxy.

[Morrigan2575]

After sleeping on it.

Things I loved:

Everything Ray. Her entire storyline including Kylo was entertaining, exciting and fascinating. 

Everything Luke, from start to finish Luke was wonderful. I especially loved the Luke/Leia reunion and Luke facing Kylo Ren. 

Almost everything Leia, I didn't like flying through space Leia. I loved Leia/Poe, that was a really great storyline and I'm fascinated by their relationship. I can't help but feel like they've become a surrogate family (mother/son).

I really enjoyed Poe this movie, he got way more to do this movie and I enjoyed his story/character arc.

I loved Kylo killing Snoke. I loved the team up of Kylo/Rey and I even loved the final betrayal (so to speak). I loved that in the end there was no saving Kylo.

I loved just about every Kylo/Hux scene, especially when the little toad just kept repeating Kylo's orders and Kylo finally shot him a look. I also loved Kylo just force pushing Hux into the wall at the end.

Things I didn't like

I didn't like Rose "saving" Finn, I didn't even understand it. I don't know if I missed something about how Finn hitting the gate buster gun wouldn't do anything. I figured they should have taken the shot.

I didn't like the teasing of Kylo/Rey in a romantic sense. I realized now that wasn't the intent but, it felt like they were, especially with the shirtless scene.

I didn't like the hours of the feet just running away while Rose/Finn went on vacation.

Things I hated

The entire Rose/Finn gambling adventure that did nothing!

Not only did that size question amount to nothing positive it actually damaged the fleet. If Rose/Finn didn't to go Vegas planet, Benico Del Toro wouldn't have betrayed them and the shuttles would have safely made it to the planet to hide.

I also don't even get why Laura Dern kept it a secret from her officers.

 

All in all there was more positive than negative in this movie and, the positives not only out number the negatives they also (for me) over shadowed the negative stuff. However, in the end I ended up not really having an emotional connection to this movie. 

[anyanka323]

3 hours ago, absnow54 said:

In Episode IX, we see that the First Order has already been defeated, because Kyle Ron is wasting all their resources shooting Luke's Force ghost across the galaxy.

I think the really scary part is that the two immature manchildren in charge of the First Order, Hux and Ren, have competent people and lots of deadly toys to cause havoc with.  I wouldn't be shocked if one of the plot points of Episode 9 involves a First Order defector/mole helping the Resistance because they are tired of having to work under those two morons. 

[dkb]

39 minutes ago, anyanka323 said:

I think the really scary part is that the two immature manchildren in charge of the First Order, Hux and Ren, have competent people and lots of deadly toys to cause havoc with.  I wouldn't be shocked if one of the plot points of Episode 9 involves a First Order defector/mole helping the Resistance because they are tired of having to work under those two morons. 

^^^ That would be hilarious.

Another thing that was weird for me, was when Finn and Phasma were fighting, what was the point of seeing Phasma's eye before Finn killed her? Are we supposed to care that there is a person inside the uniform? Cause they kind of did that story with Finn in the first one; stormtroopers are people too.

They way it was shot was giving me the vibe that it was something important, but Phasma is such a non-entity.

[Browncoat]

4 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

The entire Rose/Finn gambling adventure that did nothing!

I disagree.  They encountered the children, one of whom picked up a broom using the Force.  Those kids and kids like them around the galaxy need hope to become part of the Resistance.  Rose and Finn gave them that hope.

I just got back and I thought it was a great second act.  It advanced things just enough as a build up for the third act.  You're not supposed to get all the answers in the second act.  Things should still be unresolved in the second act. 

I teared up every time Leia was onscreen, and the tears spilled over with the card at the end about "our Princess, Carrie Fisher."  It slayed me.  I was so relieved initially that she was able to use the Force and survive her unscheduled EVA that I forgot that it was cheesy.  I'm still not ready for her to be dead.

And I did fall for the Kylo/Luke saber battle.  I even gasped when Kylo made his run at Luke and Luke didn't appear to even sidestep Kylo.  So much relief to see Luke behind Kylo!  And to realize that Luke was a projection.  But then, of course, Luke evaporated for reals, like Obi-Wan did.  I guess we really are passing on the torch to the new generation of Rebels.

Loved the Luke/Leia scene -- it got terribly dusty in the theater when he kissed her on the forehead.

But everyone in my theater laughed when Rey got hit on the head with the saber.

Loved Kylo killing Snoke.  It was not entirely unexpected, and perhaps even broadly foreshadowed, but I still thought it was great.  Snoke was creepy, but not menacing, imo, and we're well rid of him. 

I'm not so sure Kylo was telling Rey the truth about her parents.  On the other hand, it does tie in well with the broom kid -- strong Force in a kid with no parents? 

Were those the Jedi books on the Falcon?

I'm already ready to see it again!  I may have more thoughts after a second viewing.

[Morrigan2575]

27 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

I disagree.  They encountered the children, one of whom picked up a broom using the Force.  Those kids and kids like them around the galaxy need hope to become part of the Resistance.  Rose and Finn gave them that hope.

That is true but, I don't think the payoff was worth the length of that story.

Another thought anyone else pick up on a possible Rey/Poe and Rose/Finn relationship building

[Cobalt Stargazer]

16 hours ago, SeanC said:

The other problem with killing off Snoke is that we're left with Kylo and Hux as villains, and they're both lame.  I figured that if something like this happened Kylo would become more intimidating, but he's still as big a loser as before.

This might be unpopular, but I like that Kylo is a big, whining loser.

Of course it sucks that Han and Leia's kid is a sniveling diaper-baby who would rather have a tantrum than do anything productive, but I've been in and around fandom for more years than I sometimes care to acknowledge. And over time, I've come to detest the insistence within the fandoms (and sometimes within the narrative itself) that all it takes is a pat on the head and a cookie to get an evil character to stop trying to kill everybody. Even after killing Snoke, Kylo remains his craven self, hanging the blame on Rey when Hux shows up, probably because she resisted his attempt to get her to join him. Is it wrong to blame her for something she didn't do? I guess, but better that than to do the cliche thing, which is to have him magically become "good". Or, worse, for her to decide that the rebellion isn't worth fighting for because she'd rather be with him, and I don't think they're going to do that. Because that would be stupid.

I've likely said it before, but however genuine Luke was in his regret, however much Leia mourns for the son she lost, Kylo made his own choices out of weakness, and then compounded those choices by committing murder and then moving on, at the least, to patricide. If Luke failed at anything, it was that moment of hesitation when the little shit was still training. Outside of that, nothing that's happened since is anyone's fault but Kylo's.

[TobinAlbers]

Projection!Luke was such a cocky saucy badass. His wink at C3PO made me guffaw. Anakin was never that boss.

Leia's channeling of the force may have been cheesy, but damn did she and Luke once again show how badass they are in this movie. The Skywalker twins really are aces.

Although Luke dissing Obi-Wan as the one who created Vader was a low blow, Luke. You almost gave into them Skywalker murder rampage genes regarding Ben while Obi kept the blinders on until he couldn't. You don't get to judge. Well, actually, you can, but still, low blow.

I do wonder if Rey was one of the children Ben took before demolishing Luke's temple. That was an interesting seed planted that Ben killed some but took others.

Loved that it was through the Millenium Falcon that Han's spirit was alive and rebellious as ever still giving the middle finger at the First Order. When you see her shadow over the desert and it just swooping around taking out fighters that was Han once again coming in the nick of time to save everyone's bacon. Kylo Ben's sheer outrage seeing the spirit of his father out there flying free and kicking ass and wanting it blown out of the sky and failing was a delight.

Yoda giggling at what a weenie Luke could still be was great. His saying  'Missed you I have, Young Skywalker'  while shaking his head was too cute. 

Edited December 15, 2017 by TobinAlbers

[ulkis]

42 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

 I'm not so sure Kylo was telling Rey the truth about her parents.  

I don't really understand why they made Rey's parentage a secret in the first place. Luke's parentage was kept secret because in the first movie it wasn't actually a secret, and then it the second they didn't reveal it till the end because it was a shock (a bad one) to find out his dad was actually Darth Vader. If Rey finds out her dad was Luke, she's not gonna be all "noooooooooo" about it. But I guess it's still early to complain/wonder about that before episode IX.

[Frost]

I loved Luke's story, but I got very teary when he died.  I liked the story emphasis on doing the right things for the right reasons, rather than the ends justify the means, although Holda's rational for keeping everyone in the dark about her ultimate plan seems strange.  Was she afraid there was a spy on-board and that's how they were tracked through hyper space.

I was absolutely blown away by the creatures in this movie.  I want those crystal foxes to be real!  And the cutesy ones weren't too cutesy, but just cutesy enough!   Although Luke milking one of them was rather gross.

[Browncoat]

1 minute ago, Frost said:

I want those crystal foxes to be real! 

Those were gorgeous!

 

1 minute ago, Frost said:

Although Luke milking one of them was rather gross.

Was it my imagination, or was the milk blue?

[The Kings Foot]

1 hour ago, dkb said:

^^^ That would be hilarious.

Another thing that was weird for me, was when Finn and Phasma were fighting, what was the point of seeing Phasma's eye before Finn killed her? Are we supposed to care that there is a person inside the uniform? Cause they kind of did that story with Finn in the first one; stormtroopers are people too.

They way it was shot was giving me the vibe that it was something important, but Phasma is such a non-entity.

I think we are getting a scarred Phasma next time. 

[dkb]

1 minute ago, The Kings Foot said:

I think we are getting a scarred Phasma next time. 

So she's not dead right? Cause reviews I'm watching are saying she's dead, but I swear I saw her in at the end too, on the red salt planet.

[The Kings Foot]

Just now, dkb said:

So she's not dead right? Cause reviews I'm watching are saying she's dead, but I swear I saw her in at the end too, on the red salt planet.

We do not see her after she falls through the floor. But to my mind it was a perfect setup for a scarred, cyborg Phasma to show up next movie 

[calliope1975]

49 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Another thought anyone else pick up on a possible Rey/Poe and Rose/Finn relationship building

It would not have surprised me at all if Poe had started making out with Holdo. Or BB8. That man generates chemistry with everything. I could see a bond between Rose and Finn developing, but anything romantic (including that kiss) seemed premature. I liked Rose's takeaway about love being more important than destruction but didn't think it quite fit their relationship. 

8 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

Was it my imagination, or was the milk blue?

That's what I saw. I guess that's where the infamous blue milk comes from. Eww. 

I also enjoyed that they kept Kylo Ben (thanks for that nickname) a whiny bitch. He's a decent big bad in that he's no where near Vader, he never will be, and it will forever bother him. 

I know bunches hated the casino planet portion, but I liked the themes it brought in including war profiteering from both the Rebels and the Empire. It's what I liked about Rogue One - this is a war. An apparent neverending war, but a war nonetheless. And I loved the kids at the end because as much as this movie deconstructed Luke and being a Jedi, those kids were telling the story of legend Luke Skywalker. 

Film Crit Hulk's essay says exactly how I feel about TLJ: https://filmcrithulk.blog/2017/12/15/the-force-belongs-to-us-the-last-jedis-beautiful-refocusing-of-star-wars/

Having said all this, I do also recognize the valid issues the movie had; I'm just able to overlook them for how the movie made me feel overall. 

[Joe]

Apropos of very little, I know what Ren said about Rey's parents, I just don't believe him. I think that we're going to see another part of the story, possibly via force-ghost Luke.

[MisterGlass]

I have been debating this movie with myself since the credits rolled in my theater.  There were parts I liked.  There were parts I loved.  But most of it was just there.

I was so glad to see Luke again.  The battle against Kylo was amazing.  I suspected Luke was projecting himself, and knew for certain when he looked down at Kylo's red footprint that he was worried about leaving no footprints himself.  Of course Kylo was too enraged to notice, and we got a great showdown.  His reunion with Leia was very touching.  Even that opening moment where he just threw away the lightsaber and stormed off was good.

I loved Leia as a true leader.  I liked her putting Po in his place for disobedience.  I had hoped for Leia to use the force, but I was really disappointed in the cheesy execution.  It undercut the moment.  I was a meh on the writing for the Vice Admiral, but I liked her final farewell with Leia because it made clear that they were friends.  The light speed jump into the enemy fleet was well done.

Rey.  I am fine with the idea that she comes from nowhere and no family of note.  I'm not fine with her using the force expertly with no training.  I hoped after the first movie that it would be shown that she had previous training and was drawing on that subconsciously.  Apparently not, unless they are saving that for the end.  Finn and Rey had no appreciable character arcs in this.  They went places and did things but are largely unchanged since we met them at the beginning of The Force Awakens.  Po had an arc, at least, though a simple one.

Aside from a few really good moments this feel slapdash.  As others have mentioned, the world building is lacking and the pacing was bad.  I can't figure out if I've grown away from Star Wars or if Star Wars has grown into something different.

[Wynterwolf]

3 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Were those the Jedi books on the Falcon?

They were indeed.

On first viewing, there were some jarring tonal shifts **coughCantoBightcough**, but for me the immensely enjoyable bits made the less enjoyable bits not so important.  And I have a feeling I will enjoy it a lot more on second viewing now that I know what to expect.  

[Wynterwolf]

2 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

I know bunches hated the casino planet portion, but I liked the themes it brought in including war profiteering from both the Rebels and the Empire. It's what I liked about Rogue One - this is a war.

I really enjoyed the idea that it brought, but I think for me it was that the tone felt too light and juvenile for the theme they were dealing with ("this is war").  And I get that this is where they were tying into getting the next generation engaged and creating that "spark", but I just didn't feel it blended well tonally with the rest of the movie.  

25 minutes ago, MisterGlass said:

Finn and Rey had no appreciable character arcs in this.

I think Finn's arc was that at first, his actions were only motivated by protecting Rey.  By the end, he was fighting for the Resistance, and almost willing to sacrifice himself for that cause (until Rose stopped him).  But it was thinly done.  

[VCRTracking]

Just saw it today and will post my full thoughts later but here are three at the moment:

Mark Hamill was AWESOME.

Every scene with Carrie Fisher made me emotional and I straight up cried during certain parts.

There HAS to be a big time jump for the next movie. Like a couple of years. All of the Resistance as of now can in the fit in the Falcon!

Edited December 16, 2017 by VCRTracking

[scarynikki12]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

I don't really understand why they made Rey's parentage a secret in the first place. Luke's parentage was kept secret because in the first movie it wasn't actually a secret, and then it the second they didn't reveal it till the end because it was a shock (a bad one) to find out his dad was actually Darth Vader. If Rey finds out her dad was Luke, she's not gonna be all "noooooooooo" about it. But I guess it's still early to complain/wonder about that before episode IX.

After Force Awakens, I was convinced Rey would turn out to be Luke's daughter.  His theme playing over her scenes wasn't exactly subtle.  But this movie convinced me otherwise.  I do think Kylo stoked Rey's fears that her memories are false that her parents really were a couple of asshole nobodies and they'll still be important in some way.  Taking away that hope was one of the ways he tried to recruit her.  If Carrie had lived I think they would have revealed Rey to be the younger daughter of Leia and Han like so many predicted.  But you need Carrie for that reveal so I don't think she'll be a Skywalker after all.  Maybe her parents will turn out to be significant minor characters from the Solo movie?  Or maybe her memories are incorrect but only because one parent was dead and the other is significant.  Can't wait to find out.

1 hour ago, calliope1975 said:

It would not have surprised me at all if Poe had started making out with Holdo. Or BB8. That man generates chemistry with everything.

Holdo, BB8, Finn, Kylo Ren, Rose, Rey, Leia...  That list goes on forever.  Since Poe made a point of going to introduce himself to Rey I think that's the hint that he's got his eye on her.  Finn had a crush on Rey in 7 but she didn't seem to return his feelings (and I was kind of pulling for him to get with Poe, see aforementioned comments about Isaac bringing the chemistry with everything), so I'm fine with a deep friendship.  I can't wait to go again so I can pay attention to Rey lifting those rocks because I wonder if that move blew Poe's mind and that's why he sought her out on the Falcon. 

My current favorite thing about this movie is just how hard it trolled the Draco In Leather Pants trope.  Kylo had his black gear on, had artful scars on his face and neck, was shirtless at one point, wants Rey by his side, and even killed Snoke for her.  And all is not forgiven!  Hallelujah!  She yelled at him for his actions and was willing to give him a chance for redemption but he squandered it and now there will be consequences.  Her expression as she shut the Falcon's door in his face was glorious. 

[VCRTracking]

1 minute ago, scarynikki12 said:

My current favorite thing about this movie is just how hard it trolled the Draco In Leather Pants trope.  Kylo had his black gear on, had artful scars on his face and neck, was shirtless at one point, wants Rey by his side, and even killed Snoke for her.  And all is not forgiven!  Hallelujah!  She yelled at him for his actions and was willing to give him a chance for redemption but he squandered it and now there will be consequences.  Her expression as she shut the Falcon's door in his face was glorious.

It was definitely a moment to use this GIF:

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

But you need Carrie for that reveal so I don't think she'll be a Skywalker after all. 

I don't think they need her there for that. It would be enough for both Rey and Kylo to know.

But I could see it being like Taran from the Chronicles of Prydain, that the whole point is that her parents are unknown.

[Morrigan2575]

17 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Just saw it today and will post my full thoughts later but here are three at the moment:

Mark Hamill was AWESOME.

Every scene with Carrie Fisher made me emotional and I straight up cried during certain parts.

There HAS to be a big time jump for the next movie. Like a couple of years. All of the Resistance as of now can in the fit in the Falcon!

I was just thinking the same thing. There has to be a huge time jump for Episode IX, so the next generation of rebels can rise up.

[VCRTracking]

Also a certain controversial scene that apparently searching Twitter a lot of fanboys hated, I LOVED IT. If Darth Vader did that shit they'd think it was great.

[scarynikki12]

1 minute ago, VCRTracking said:

Also a certain controversial scene that apparently searching Twitter a lot of fanboys hated, I LOVED IT. If Darth Vader did that shit they'd think it was great.

Which scene?

[VCRTracking]

Leia in space scene. I know some people thought it was stupid but I was loved her seeing her use the Force AND how powerful she it.

[anna0852]

Well holy shit. Congrats to the director, he managed to catch me off guard multiple times and for our audience to go between bursting out laughing, Gasping in shock and outright cheering. So many thoughts tumbling through my head right now. Can't really be coherent. But so freaking glad the Kylo flipping Ren did not get some idiotic Redemption Arc. He's evil, and now he has to live with it. No one believes in him.

[InsertWordHere]

27 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Leia in space scene. I know some people thought it was stupid but I was loved her seeing her use the Force AND how powerful she it.

I was just talking to someone and said the exact same thing, Anakin Space Jesus could have done it and people would have had no complaints. 

4 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

 Kylo Ben's sheer outrage seeing the spirit of his father out there flying free and kicking ass and wanting it blown out of the sky and failing was a delight.

Absolutely loved that part. Of course that ship would fill Kylo with rage. Good. I also thought Luke's scene on the Falcon with the dice and R2 with the Leia projection was perfect.

4 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Although Luke dissing Obi-Wan as the one who created Vader was a low blow, Luke. You almost gave into them Skywalker murder rampage genes regarding Ben while Obi kept the blinders on until he couldn't.

I thought Luke was projecting his situation onto Obi Wan's there. Luke believes he created Kylo Ren. 

[Spartan Girl]

Thank God I got into a show tonight!

I loved EVERYTHING! The sass and trolling was strong with this one!

Big LOL at two years of buildup after leaving us hanging with Rey holding out the lightsaber for Luke...and he chucks it over the cliff.

Another big LOL when Snoke threw Bitch Boy around.

I know it's weird, but I loved crusty bitter old Luke. No, I don't blame him for trying to kill pre-Kylo Ben. By all accounts, he made his choice long before he put on the mask.

Speaking of Bitch Boy, they really had me scared with all the Reylo scenes. Especially when he had his shirt off (he DOES have a nice body). I must admit, him killing Snoke threw me for a loop. But yeah, I'm glad they didn't completely rip off ROJ and made it clear he's too far gone. I let out a big sigh of relief when Rey closed the door in his face.

YODA!! Was grinning like an idiot to see him!

Is it just me, or was Finn hotter in this movie? Must be the wardrobe. Loved him and Rose together, but I still love him and Rey.

37 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Leia in space scene. I know some people thought it was stupid but I was loved her seeing her use the Force AND how powerful she it.

YES! The coma scenes hit a little too close to home because of what happened to Carrie. Oh what we could have had with her in Episode Nine...

Knew they'd kill off Luke. At least he got to die peacefully on his own terms after astroprojecting to make an ass out of Bitch Boy. And we had a reunion with Leia. Not gonna lie, I was tearing up in that moment ??????

I do hope Luke comes back as a ghost in the next one. It's sad knowing all we have left is Chewie and the droids.

Yeah, there's still more to tell about Rey's family. Someone in her family was Jedi. Maybe not Luke, but there's still that Obi-Wan descendant theory...

[MrsR]

The little kid with the broom screamed Sorcerer's Apprentice to me.  A smidge too Disney for me for them to justify all that time spent on that shaggy dog tale.  Ohhh, The Shaggy Dog was another Disney movie and it featured a ring.

 

Lots of charged objects in this one.  Especially jewelry. The die, the beacon amulet, Rose's necklace. The ring. A little more care for the light saber please. Did she manage to escape with her light saber? 

 Rose was a bit too Disney theme park happy. And I would have traded Finn's almost sacrifice for Luke surviving. Damn, you Rose, you almost got the last of the Resistance killed because of a crush. She was very millennial SJW-ish.

So many traitors and mutineers in this film. And those two nimrods running the galaxy, all they have to do is wait for those two screw everything up. Everyone will be in the Resistance.

Holdo watched all those Resistance fighters dying before she pulled her plan out her ass.

Could have used some recognizable aliens in the casino scene.

They killed Ackbar off screen. Boo.

Over all it just wasn't cohesive to me.

 

But it was a Star War movie and I'm a sucker for this stuff. So I had  good time.

Leia's survival instinct tapping into her force powers sat fine with me.

And I love, love, love Hamill in this. For one minute when he was on the Falcon and talking to 2R, he was 20 years old again. 

Loved Yoda. And I adored that there was so much Han in this film.

And the Falcon, that old hunk of junk, coming the rescue again? Be still my teen age heart.

Never enough Chewie for me.

I want a porg friend.

Edited December 16, 2017 by MrsR

[ulkis]

I figured Luke would chuck the lightsaber. Why would he keep it? He's got his own lightsaber already and even if Vader turned, it doesn't exactly have good memories attached with it.

I'm still wondering how Han recognized it in the Force Awakens though. Unless he just meant "where did you get a lightsaber" and not "what are you doing spedifically with Luke's first lightsaber."

[anna0852]

I don't know who I felt worse for when Chewie was trying to eat his dinner. Him or the porgs who were watching in horror.

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

 

I'm still wondering how Han recognized it in the Force Awakens though. Unless he just meant "where did you get a lightsaber" and not "what are you doing spedifically with Luke's first lightsaber."

Han used the dang lightsaber on Hoth. Stuffed Luke in a Tauntaun.

[ulkis]

5 minutes ago, anna0852 said:

Han used the dang lightsaber on Hoth. Stuffed Luke in a Tauntaun.

Yeah, but aren't all the hilts the same?

21 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Knew they'd kill off Luke.

I didn't think they would for some reason, I guess because I figured killing off one of the original trio was enough for them, heh. But the thought of Luke without Han and Leia was bumming me out, so I'm not as bummed as I thought I would be.

[VCRTracking]

1 hour ago, MrsR said:

Rose was a bit too Disney theme park happy. And I would have traded Finn's almost sacrifice for Luke surviving. Damn, you Rose, you almost got the last of the Resistance killed because of a crush. She was very millennial SJW-ish.

Really? I thought she had been hardened, with her tasering deserters and wanting to "Punch a hole" in Canto Bight because it was full of rich people selling weapons to the First Order.

Seeing the negative responses on the internet I've come to the conclusion is that the main reason they hate TLJ is that Rian Johnson has shown their favorite characters to not be perfect. Rey, Poe, Finn, Luke have flaws and made huge, costly mistakes in TLJ. Apparently the person who was too perfect was Leia.Fans, whenever they're favorite characters are shown to be wrong the level of vitriol is enormous.

Edited December 16, 2017 by VCRTracking

[Wynterwolf]

13 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Yeah, but aren't all the hilts the same?

AFAIK, no two light sabers are the same, they are all individually made.  

Edited December 16, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[MisterGlass]

1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:

I think Finn's arc was that at first, his actions were only motivated by protecting Rey.  By the end, he was fighting for the Resistance, and almost willing to sacrifice himself for that cause (until Rose stopped him).  But it was thinly done.  

Fair point.

Oddly I feel more for Rose's sister (Paige?) and her sacrifice in the opening moments than I did for Rose.  It was nearly silent but her determination to complete her mission and faith that she could do it were striking.  I understand Rose's hatred for profiteers, but I didn't feel like that sequence at the casino worked.  Rose crashing into Finn's ship risked two deaths instead of one.

2 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Yeah, but aren't all the hilts the same?

No, they vary.  Luke's blue and green lightsabers have distinctly different hilts.

Random other thoughts:

• The porgs were less egregious than I feared, but I could have done without one in the cockpit of the Falcon during the final battle.  There were moments in this where I could see the marketing tie ins. 
• All the weapon, set, and planetary designs were as spectacular as always.
• Po's love for BB8 and Luke's relationship with R2 were nicely paralleled.

[ulkis]

4 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

AFAIK, no two light sabers are the same, they are all individually made.  

I know that, but I never noticed much difference in the hilts. I obviously wasn't looking closely enough.

Edited December 16, 2017 by ulkis

[VCRTracking]

3 minutes ago, MisterGlass said:

Oddly I feel more for Rose's sister (Paige?) and her sacrifice in the opening moments than I did for Rose.  It was nearly silent but her determination to complete her mission and faith that she could do it were striking.

That sequence was just incredible. You got to care about this character in just a short time.

[Wynterwolf]

1 minute ago, MisterGlass said:

Oddly I feel more for Rose's sister (Paige?) and her sacrifice in the opening moments than I did for Rose.  It was nearly silent but her determination to complete her mission and faith that she could do it were striking.  I understand Rose's hatred for profiteers, but I didn't feel like that sequence at the casino worked.  Rose crashing into Finn's ship risked two deaths instead of one.

I did too, and I think this just clarified something on what fell a bit flat in Finn & Rose's part of the story for me:  there was a lot more telling rather than showing, and the telling felt pretty heavy handed.    

2 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I never noticed much difference in the hilts. I obviously wasn't looking closely enough.

I mainly know that because I've bought replica lightsabers before (specifically Obi-Wan's from ANH).  

[Jediknight]

I liked it.  Not a perfect movie, but freaking awesome.

- I love that there's not going to be a Kylo redemption arc.  Thank you for putting the kibosh on that.  When Luke, freaking Luke Skywalker, thinks you're too far gone, then yeah, that's a sign they ain't doing a redemption arc, and that's before they made it clear.

- Speaking of redemption arcs, I think they're setting up one for Hux.  Just from this movie, and the way he's butting heads with Kylo, I've got the feeling that he'll sacrifice himself in the end to help the Resistance.

- Can't believe they broke the lightsaber, that was a surprise.

- Great to see that the Rey and Finn friendship didn't get shoved to the side.  And now we're going to have Rey, Finn, Poe, and BB-8 all together in the next movie.

- The reunion between Luke and R2 was so damn heartwarming.  2 Skywalkers reunited, R2's a Skywalker dammit.

- Finn and Rose escaping the security by riding the animals, reminded me of Ezra and Sabine escaping and evading Imperial forces while on the Loth-Wolf, and no offense to Last Jedi, Rebels did it far better.

- The Porgs being on the Falcon made sense.  Chewie's always been a big softie, and had a big heart, unless you hurt his family.  It makes sense he'd take some of them in.  In the next one, we need a Chewie hug.

- "I will not be the last Jedi."  Hell freaking yeah, Luke.  That line is going up there with best Star Wars moments ever.

[MrsR]

Paige (who picked these names?) was worth ten of her sister.

Rose should be a Resistance recruiter. She lectures.

[TobinAlbers]

7 minutes ago, Jediknight said:

Speaking of redemption arcs, I think they're setting up one for Hux.  Just from this movie, and the way he's butting heads with Kylo, I've got the feeling that he'll sacrifice himself in the end to help the Resistance.

Hux looking down at the prone Kylo Ben, reaching under his coat for his blaster only to withdraw when Kylo woke up got a good laugh in my screening. He was so damn close to being an unwitting hero to the galaxy by taking that dirt bag out! 

1 hour ago, InsertWordHere said:

Anakin Space Jesus could have done it and people would have had no complaints. 

Oh sweet mercy, Anakin Space Jesus! ?

So they've had Obi Wan's presence/voice in Ep 7, Yoda in Ep 8 so will we get Anakin in Ep 9 or Qui Gon?  Luke is also a possibility but Hayden as Anakin would be a pretty interesting and big surprise. What would Anakin tell his grandson? 

[Jediknight]

5 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

What would Anakin tell his grandson? 

"I've seen into it, and Rey is part Kenobi.  It's best to admit defeat now, it never ends well when us Skywalkers fight a Kenobi.  We can only win if they let us."