S07.E06: Compromising Positions

[WireWrap]

23 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Right? For my birthday I had a girl's game night at my mom's, with mom and two of my younger sisters. We played 5 games within 3 hours and had the best best time. We all brought games and snacks.  No one brought up each other's panties. It was lovely. 

 

Rinna is so up and down; it's frustrating. She actually does really well at taking the high road. She has apologized several times to people - the start of the season with LVP, for one. Whether it's genuine or not, her desire to be the bigger person and move on DOES seem genuine. But then she fucks it all up by starting shit up again just a few weeks later. It's maddening. 

It's not just that she starts shit a few weeks later, she starts up the same crap fest the next episode! Rinna apologizes then complains to others about it the following week so her apologies are nothing more than her putting on a show for the viewers and not real. The preview for next week that I posted a link to in First Look s a prime example of it.

I swear, Rinna took lessons from Eileen on how not to let things go....ever! LOL

[TattleTeeny]

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Only thing is, Rinna's NOT on a recovery journey, and said addiction isn't an issue for her. But at least she was supportive. Best conversation in a long time, although at the end, Rinna's comment, "I like that!" about Eden's forthrightness seemed a bit condescending in light of the fact she is not an addict herdelf. More like another dig at Kim.

I think Rinna will like anything coming from whomever she's alone with at the time, because she seems to be very concerned with being liked right back. It's like she's doing the "right" things in the moment with a person (I see nothing wrong or flat-out fake with her being pleasant to Kim at the dinner--it's what grownups do), but then when that person is not around, she is then not all about the person depending on what the others are saying. She's too pliable to be a good friend! And the thing about that is, each of others don't seem to mind that much if she disagrees with them!

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It was bad that Eileen, Rinna, Dorit and Kim, Rinna couldn't leave it at the door for just 1 night but it wouldn't be a HW show had they either. LOL

Oh, I know. I'm just trying to apply a suspension of disbelief, or whatever the right term would be for attempting to view these people as if their interactions were 100% not choreographed and as if their activities and relationships were organic and of their own volition. Still though, while the events are mandatory, I assume that their actions at said events are up to them?

Also, this Erika's puss business: it's like Erika herself is a mere footnote in it all at this point! Her actual presence doesn't even matter in these discussions anymore!

Edited January 11, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[zoeysmom]

16 minutes ago, charming said:

I was waiting for Kim to mention Rinna using her Father "shutting her down" as an excuse for sending threatening texts. 

Rinna's always running her mouth about something and then backpedaling when she can't take the heat.

I believe that is why Kim calls Rinna fake.  Kim also thinks Rinna makes excuses. 

Rinna and Kim can both be wrong.  Rinna is just proving to be more and more exhausting.  Kim has asked, begged ets., that Rinna and the rest of the world not talk about her recovery, she has cited that it doesn't work well for her and she feels it breaches the program boundaries she is working. 

[ghoulina]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

It's not just that she starts shit a few weeks later, she starts up the same crap fest the next episode!

Well, the next episode could be a week or two later in their lives. I basically meant the same thing - that she turns right around and is back at it. I haven't seen the preview yet. I should go and look at it.

I have moments where I really like Rinna and Eileen, but they are exhausting me right now. I think the only one I am enjoying at this point is Kyle. And, oddly, Erika, when she's serving it up to Dorit. Because I just cannot stand Dorit.

[Jack Terrier]

I've come to the conclusion that Eileen is just an asshole.  LET IT GO.  

All she does is rehash the same shit every time they're together but tries to spin it to make it seem like it's the first time being brought up.  IF Erika has a problem with Dorito let Erika bring it up.

Ohhhh, next week with Eden and LisaR.  In the words of Eileen "oh, snap!"

[WireWrap]

7 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

I think Rinna will like anything coming from whomever she's alone with at the time, because she seems to be very concerned with being liked right back. 

Oh, I know. I'm just trying to apply a suspension of disbelief, or whatever the right term would be for attempting to view these people as if their interactions were 100% not choreographed and as if their activities and relationships were organic and of their own volition. Still though, while the events are mandatory, I assume that their actions at said events are up to them?

Yes, their words/actions are theirs alone. LOL

2 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Well, the next episode could be a week or two later in their lives. I basically meant the same thing - that she turns right around and is back at it. I haven't seen the preview yet. I should go and look at it.

I have moments where I really like Rinna and Eileen, but they are exhausting me right now. I think the only one I am enjoying at this point is Kyle. And, oddly, Erika, when she's serving it up to Dorit. Because I just cannot stand Dorit.

It is an interesting video and telling of how Rinna will not leave it be. She has been taking lessons from Eileen on How to NOT let things Go, E.V.E.R! LOL

I can't stand Rinna or Eileen at all after last season. Yes, Lisa should have never mentioned the word "affair" to Eileen, ever but how many apologies/"I'm sorry does Eileen require? As for Rinna accusing Lisa of manipulating her, she only claimed that after Eileen convinced her it happened over the course of several weeks.

As for Dorit, I am on the fence with her still but that may be due to the fact that I can not stand Eileen at all.

[Cranky One]

10 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I don't think Kyle was 'hatin" on Kim about becoming a gramdma, it was one sister saying it to another sister, like saying I can't believe you/we are old enough to be a grandma, nothing more.

This...I'm not a grandma, but I am of grandma age (Yikes!) and that would be weird to me also. I still get weirded out be called Mrs. and I've been one for 27 years. In my mind, I'm still 25! lol

7 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I agree, Kim should have apologized as well. That said, I don't think Rinna's apology was sincere and I think Kim knew that, as did the others.

Definitely! And at this stage in game, who cares anymore?

6 hours ago, WireWrap said:

She was arrested for shoplifting over a year, closer to 2 years ago, before that scene was filmed.  That said, I did have to wonder if that dress fell into her purse or is the sales clerk forgot to remove the tag. LOL

I didn't know you could even remove them yourself without ripping the item. Do the security tags not have ink in them anymore? Did I imagine that they used to?

If I was (were?) Dorit, I'd choose Eden and her random bad tattoos over the Boiled Egg also. That scene was so strange and I laughed that Eden said she'd go home with Erika instead. I'm not sure I'd consider Eden edgy, though.  I'm curious if Eden is close to her mother, Beverly. I remember her from the Vidal Sassoon ads as well. I remember Vidal Sassoon shampoo smelling like almonds for some reason.

Eileen, please STFU! Seriously. Nobody cares. I get there needs to be conflict, but this is stupid. Erika could shut it down, I suppose. But, she just sat there and said she was over it in her talking head. Y'all know they are going to be bickering over this at the reunion.

Bambi should be in every scene! And I love in Kyle's scenes thatyou see tennis balls everywhere!

[TattleTeeny]

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Ain't nobody trying to see a geriatric hag trying to act like Brittany Spears in the Catholic school girl outfit. Hit the road, Grandma. Your expiration date has passed.

Haha, I guess at the ripe old geriatric age of 45 with a birthday next month, I should toss the short plaid skirts and commit to a rack of Talbots and Anne Taylor then? Ugh.

Yeah, it's cheesy as hell but she's a grown woman who can and should do what she likes if it's hurting no one. You know what's awesome about being her age? Doing what you like without giving a fuck about arbitrary ageism and pointless rules. 

Edited January 11, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, Cranky One said:

This...I'm not a grandma, but I am of grandma age (Yikes!) and that would be weird to me also. I still get weirded out be called Mrs. and I've been one for 27 years. In my mind, I'm still 25! lol

Definitely! And at this stage in game, who cares anymore?

I didn't know you could even remove them yourself without ripping the item. Do the security tags not have ink in them anymore? Did I imagine that they used to?

If I was (were?) Dorit, I'd choose Eden and her random bad tattoos over the Boiled Egg also. That scene was so strange and I laughed that Eden said she'd go home with Erika instead. I'm not sure I'd consider Eden edgy, though.  I'm curious if Eden is close to her mother, Beverly. I remember her from the Vidal Sassoon ads as well. I remember Vidal Sassoon shampoo smelling like almonds for some reason.

Eileen, please STFU! Seriously. Nobody cares. I get there needs to be conflict, but this is stupid. Erika could shut it down, I suppose. But, she just sat there and said she was over it in her talking head. Y'all know they are going to be bickering over this at the reunion.

Bambi should be in every scene! And I love in Kyle's scenes thatyou see tennis balls everywhere!

Erika and Dorit moved past this a few episodes ago, at the Escape Room episode. The only that hasn't moved past it is Eileen and I think it is because she fears Dorit telling Erika that Eileen and Rinna encouraged her panty joke, so she has to make sure Erika can't stand Dorit at all first! LOL

[OFDgal]

As I was watching last night and Eileen came on the screen, I thought to myself, "I don't like you as a person."  Her resting bitch face is so ugly.  As she grows older, she will look like a wizened old prune.  Or else a cat lady if she keeps getting work done on her.  I just don't understand why she can't let things go.  She encouraged Dorit to bring the panties and is now "appalled" at the whole thing.  Rinna sucks too. So mean bringing up the arrest.  Didn't Eileen and Rinna realize that most of us were sick of hearing about affair-gate last year.  Now this year I guess it will be panty-gate all season.  I also thought when Camille walked in with the plant that it was a re-gift! Course Eileen couldn't be bothered bringing a hostess gift.  Imagine if someone didn't bring a gift to her house...gift-gate for the season!

[Cranky One]

14 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Erika and Dorit moved past this a few episodes ago, at the Escape Room episode. The only that hasn't moved past it is Eileen and I think it is because she fears Dorit telling Erika that Eileen and Rinna encouraged her panty joke, so she has to make sure Erika can't stand Dorit at all first! LOL

Ha! You're probably right! Although, I never got the impression that Erika liked Dorit from the get go. Eileen makes my head hurt! lol

[Juliegirlj]

Best thing about this episode was getting a good look at Kyle's beautiful house! I was not even watching their silly games- I was pausing and checking out the decor!! 

Ughhhhh, She's Baaa-aaack. Kim Richards. Just. No. 

oMG- those clips of Kim and Kyle picking on Brandi- no wonder Brandi called Kim a meth addict- she really did look like a tweaker. She was right to get a nose job. 

LVP was cheating !! She was straining to get a side eye view of Mr Game Night's computer, hahahaha

[mytmo]

Erika looks pretty damn good for a 45 yr old.  I would think Dorit was older than Erika.

Kim can go back to her delusional turtle world.  No one cares that you don't wear panties.

I don't know who would be a better replacement for Dorit.  Eden (if she was willing to share her stories from back in the day) or the proven grace of Camille who can bring the house porn.  Either way Dorit is done - nothing to see here.

[njbchlover]

7 hours ago, WireWrap said:

She was arrested for shoplifting over a year, closer to 2 years ago, before that scene was filmed.  That said, I did have to wonder if that dress fell into her purse or is the sales clerk forgot to remove the tag. LOL

I was wondering if Kim was planning on strategically "hiding" the security tag and then returning the dress after the shower.  (I had a relative that did that on several occasions).

[DudeLeaveMeAlone]

8 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

I wanted Kim to follow LisaR's apology with one of her own ( I know, I know I'm obviously delusional)... has she ever apologised to LisaR for that drug-fuelled horror ride in the limousine to Eileen's (?) party?

The gleeful/smug look she shone from her face when LisaR was about to apologise was awful. To me, it was an "I won" look. 

Kim Richards can take her smug ass off my screen yesterday. STFU Kim. Kudos to Rinna for indulging her in an apology when Kim has never offered one, and never will.

[ghoulina]

37 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Haha, I guess at the ripe old geriatric age of 45 with a birthday next month, I should toss the short plaid skirts and commit to a rack of Talbots and Anne Taylor then? Ugh.

Yeah, it's cheesy as hell but she's a grown woman who can and should do what she likes if it's hurting no one. You know what's awesome about being her age? Doing what you like without giving a fuck about arbitrary ageism and pointless rules. 

Yea. Erika Jane is not my thing. At all. But as long as she's having fun, I don't really care. SOME people must be into it, as there seems to be a demand for more songs? I don't know. I guess I just don't see who it's hurting. If someone doesn't want to see it (and I don't), don't watch her videos or go to her performances.

[TattleTeeny]

Yeah, come on now--she is probably terrible for many reasons without age being one of them, ahahhahahahaaaaaaa!

I kind of dig Erika regardless. She seems cool enough to me.

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Erika and Dorit moved past this a few episodes ago, at the Escape Room episode. The only that hasn't moved past it is Eileen and I think it is because she fears Dorit telling Erika that Eileen and Rinna encouraged her panty joke, so she has to make sure Erika can't stand Dorit at all first! LOL

I am guessing that the combined minds of Kyle, Eileen and Rinna had to have figured out at the time Dorit told them about Pantygate, they knew Erika was unaware.  So this group of Masters of the Obvious, now stating Erika was blindsided really doesn't need to be stated.  If they had an issue, with Dorit's presentation they should have brought it up after the Escape Room.  Standing silent is a form of support. I don't think Erika could have been much clearer that she was done talking about the matter.  Eileen and Rinna have this way of objectifying people that are at the center of an issue.  Rinna did it during the Reunion to Yolanda until she finally walked off stage.  Talking about something that hurt or embarrassed someone as the basis for further discussion or being right ignores the wishes of the harmed, they do not want to talk about it.  Adding it was Erika's crotch they were discussing was unnecessary and incorrect-they were hammering Dorit about her reactions.  Dorit was correct when she called Eileen out for bringing the matter up. 

Moving on to the Dead Parents Society.  PK was not being pejorative, when after Rinna introduced the passing of her dad and Eileen's six pack of relatives, that there could have been some underlying feelings.  I have been in the position where I wished I had information about something traumatic or sad had been relayed to me about another.  So saying Eileen should have told about the passing of her mother wasn't exactly a novel thought.  I do not understand why Eileen, who whips out her issues like domestic violence from 30 years ago, dying siblings (she used her sister's homeopathic breast cancer remedies as a segue to talk about Yolanda's illness), talk of her and Vince's affair, needs resolution when someone incorrectly sympathizes with her compartmentalized life.  Both Rinna and Eileen did take the opportunity to lay some blame at the feet of LVP for attempting to influence Dorit.  Reality check it was televised-so they need to stop being so disingenuous. 

So Eileen crusade to continue any conversation with Dorit about a conversation she wasn't present for is like fighting windmills.  Why does Eileen care what PK and Dorit think?  She has said her piece.  Dorit got the message in Malibu and in fact translated it for Eileen. 

[WireWrap]

16 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

 

So Eileen crusade to continue any conversation with Dorit about a conversation she wasn't present for is like fighting windmills.  Why does Eileen care what PK and Dorit think?  She has said her piece.  Dorit got the message in Malibu and in fact translated it for Eileen. 

Because she didn't get an apology, a specific apology designed to fit her ever changing, ever growing, exacting needs Dammit! Eileen has standards that must be met at all times! LOL

Edited January 11, 2017 by WireWrap

[TattleTeeny]

It's annoying--I liked Eileen when she first showed up!

[Duke2801]

If you are rich enough to afford a Game Night Coordinator, then why the hell not? Takes some of the pressure off of you to come up with games.  Besides, it's likely that Bravo paid for it anyway. 

 While Rinna is annoying AF sometimes and most certainly is not an innocent in this feud between them - it was KIM who was the instigator last night.  Things seemed absolutely fine between her and Rinna earlier in the evening. No, they will never be friends, but they were being socially polite to each other.  It wasn't until KIM inserted herself unnecessarily into the (ugh) "PantyGate" conversation that the vibe between them took a turn for the worse.  And yeah, yeah, Rinna did not have to "go there" with the arrests, but serious, fuck KR.  She most certainly DID start the whole shit show back when she insinuated that Harry Hamlin did something nefarious.   

 

25 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Haha, I guess at the ripe old geriatric age of 45 with a birthday next month, I should toss the short plaid skirts and commit to a rack of Talbots and Anne Taylor then? Ugh.

Yeah, it's cheesy as hell but she's a grown woman who can and should do what she likes if it's hurting no one. You know what's awesome about being her age? Doing what you like without giving a fuck about arbitrary ageism and pointless rules. 

Excellent points!  I mean, should Gwen Stefani now be rocking twinsets and sensible shoes to perform now that she is in her mid 40s?  Should Sofia Vergera have worn a mumu to the Golden Globes?  J.H.C.  YES Some of EJ's get-ups are ridiculous (Little Bo Peep - love it) but can't we just say they're ridiculous without age-shaming her? 

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

It's annoying--I liked Eileen when she first showed up!

I know! LOL And people still think LisaV is the manipulator/grudge holder/pot stirrer of the group! That baton was passed the moment Eileen joined the show. LOL

[zoeysmom]

18 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Yeah, come on now--she is probably terrible for many reasons without age being one of them, ahahhahahahaaaaaaa!

I kind of dig Erika regardless. She seems cool enough to me.

Erika is the one who brings up her age in relation to her hobby/occupation.  So I don't think it is all that out there or critical of anyone to comment on the 45 year old pop star who dress provocatively, spreads her legs, pops her butt in the air and works very hard at trying to give a teen vibe, with the pigtails and pillow fights in her videos.

Erika has also slammed all the other women for the way they dress, so there is that.  Ask Kathryn.

[TattleTeeny]

Sofia would probably look beautiful in a raggedy old threadbare bathrobe! And Erika's style is definitely not mine--too much all around (which applies to many of the various HWs in different ways)--but sometimes it does take all these years to get to a point where you can have the clothes/hair/jewelry/whatever you've wanted since you were younger (and a rich husband helps too). Yes, it's shallow in the grand scheme of things but seize the day, man! I grew up loving a certain type of clothes and not having the means to get my grubby, greedy paws on them. And now I do (whoo-hoo!)--and don't care one bit if I still kind of look like grunge-alternative-vintage-goth combo at my advanced age!

It's also probably somewhat shallow of me to admit that I like being this age with not a wrinkle to show for it (gray hair is a different matter, but that's what fake blond is for)--I feel like I'd look very strange if I suddenly went "age appropriate." (And isn't Lisa V. "age appropriate" and people call her dated and dowdy!)

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Erika is the one who brings up her age in relation to her hobby/occupation.  So I don't think it is all that out there or critical of anyone to comment on the 45 year old pop star who dress provocatively, spreads her legs, pops her butt in the air and works very hard at trying to give a teen vibe, with the pigtails and pillow fights in her videos.

That's what I'm saying though--who decided these things are not for a 45-year-old to do (I'd argue that spread legs and butt pops are more appropriate to do as an adult than as a teenager)? And if it's in a video, it's fictional anyway; I'm not sure what the video would comprise otherwise--Erika sitting at home reading the paper or calling an exterminator or supervising a carpet cleaning? As for pigtails, have at it; I do it often and it's fine. Keeps this staticky-ass business out of my damn way (though I do not put them on top of my head typically...though if I felt like it I would!).

Edited January 11, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, Duke2801 said:

If you are rich enough to afford a Game Night Coordinator, then why the hell not? Takes some of the pressure off of you to come up with games.  Besides, it's likely that Bravo paid for it anyway. 

 While Rinna is annoying AF sometimes and most certainly is not an innocent in this feud between them - it was KIM who was the instigator last night.  Things seemed absolutely fine between her and Rinna earlier in the evening. No, they will never be friends, but they were being socially polite to each other.  It wasn't until KIM inserted herself unnecessarily into the (ugh) "PantyGate" conversation that the vibe between them took a turn for the worse.  And yeah, yeah, Rinna did not have to "go there" with the arrests, but serious, fuck KR.  She most certainly DID start the whole shit show back when she insinuated that Harry Hamlin did something nefarious.   

 

Excellent points!  I mean, should Gwen Stefani now be rocking twinsets and sensible shoes to perform now that she is in her mid 40s?  Should Sofia Vergera have worn a mumu to the Golden Globes?  J.H.C.  YES Some of EJ's get-ups are ridiculous (Little Bo Peep - love it) but can't we just say they're ridiculous without age-shaming her? 

Yes and No.  Yes, Kim did inject herself into a conversation she was not involved with but she was sharing her opinion of how Eileen/Rinna tag team others in relation to her first hand experience.  No, in that I think Kim was trying to help/defend Dorit when she first spoke up. LOL  She was spot on with her initial opinion about those 2 and she should have stopped there but we are talking about Kim who's brain is most likely fried from her life long drug abuse/addictions.

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Sofia would probably look beautiful in a raggedy old threadbare bathrobe! And Erika's style is definitely not mine--too much all around (which applies to many of the various HWs in different ways)--but sometimes it does take all these years to get to a point where you can have the clothes/hair/jewelry/whatever you've wanted since you were younger (and a rich husband helps too). Yes, it's shallow in the grand scheme of things but seize the day, man! I grew up loving a certain type of clothes and not having the means to get my grubby, greedy paws on them. And now I do (whoo-hoo!)--and don't care one bit if I still kind of look like grunge-alternative-vintage-goth combo at my advanced age!

It's also probably somewhat shallow of me to admit that I like being this age with not a wrinkle to show for it (gray hair is a different matter, but that's what fake blond is for)--I feel like I'd look very strange if I suddenly went "age appropriate." (And isn't Lisa V. "age appropriate" and people call her dated and dowdy!)

I think where Erika goes wrong is that she dresses like Erika Jane but then demands to be treated like Mrs. Girardi even though she claims they are two separate personalities. LOL Erika blurs the lines between her 2 sides but doesn't want the others to do it (except for asskissing Eileen that is) which is confusing to the other HWs and annoying to viewers like me. I say, pick a lane! LOL

[TattleTeeny]

Eh, I guess I don't see this "pick a lane" thing (not saying it's not there). But if an example of that is people's reaction to her bare business being accidentally seen, I'm not of the mind that she "deserves" it because she's provocative in her stage persona (not saying that you're positing that, WW). And, really, it goes without saying that the way a woman dresses is not carte blanche to treat her in a certain way. For example, I am wearing a beautiful tiara in my office right now and these jerk-asses are not treating me like a queen!

(Haha, I am not doing that. But I should be!)

Edited January 11, 2017 by TattleTeeny

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[PumpkinPK]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

Yeah, it's cheesy as hell but she's a grown woman who can and should do what she likes if it's hurting no one. You know what's awesome about being her age? Doing what you like without giving a fuck about arbitrary ageism and pointless rules. 

Her act doesn't bother me because of how bad it is, or because of her age. 

I just find it such a vanity project and so self-indulgent that she is doing it all with her husband's hard-earned money.  The woman has no talent, and she clearly spends a lot more on doing her stupid routine than she brings in with it.  She is making a fool of her husband by blowing so much money on this, and paying the salaries of numerous people who surely wouldn't be in her life if she wasn't an easy cash grab (hair, makeup, stylists, dancers, choreographers, set designers, video ppl, etc.). 

Some may say it is Tom's money and her money to spend as they wish, but most women I know wouldn't just blow the money their husband works for on something so pointless when they are not contributing.

[twilightzone]

Rinna and Kim were BOTH in the wrong.  At least with Rinna she did apologize and owns her stuff.  Whereas Kim is all about deflecting and denying.

I just find Dorit so annoying.  Eden is more interesting - from what I've seen of her so far.

I like Erika.  She pays attention and is thoughtful when she has something to say - vs just mouthing off for the camera.

It was good to see Camille.  Season 1 will always rule.

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[TattleTeeny]

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I just find it such a vanity project and so self-indulgent that she is doing it all with her husband's hard-earned money.  The woman has no talent, and she clearly spends a lot more on doing her stupid routine than she brings in with it.  She is making a fool of her husband by blowing so much money on this, and paying the salaries of numerous people who surely wouldn't be in her life if she wasn't an easy cash grab (hair, makeup, stylists, dancers, choreographers, set designers, video ppl, etc.). 

Maybe. But is it hurting anyone? Has her husband said he feels like a fool? And she should pay the people that she employs. If they have the dough, then what's to care about? We all do self-indulgent things, even if they are not to the degree of this money-wise; am I making a fool of my BF because he likes to buy me useless (but for making me happy) collectible Han Solo merchandise? Was I making a fool of my previous BF because he chose to pay my cell phone and Sirius bill (those were the days...but so not worth it in hindsight)?   

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Some may say it is Tom's money and her money to spend as they wish, but most women I know wouldn't just blow the money their husband works for on something so pointless when they are not contributing.

If it's Tom's money, he's allowed to spend it how he wishes. It seems that his wife is how he wishes. Also, in this regard, and applied to us regular folks, engagement rings come to mind. I am with you as far as being someone who would so not spend my BF's money on something like this...but that's in direct correlation to my BF's actual money that he makes now. With Tom's kind of money, sure I darn tootin' would if it was OK with him!

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[SFoster21]

12 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I think where Erika goes wrong is that she dresses like Erika Jane but then demands to be treated like Mrs. Girardi even though she claims they are two separate personalities. LOL Erika blurs the lines between her 2 sides but doesn't want the others to do it (except for asskissing Eileen that is) which is confusing to the other HWs and annoying to viewers like me. I say, pick a lane! LOL

This really pinpoints what is irritating about Erika.  In real life, she dresses like she is twenty five years old.  She looks odd to me, certainly not classy, wealthy or lawyer's wife.

I think that Lisa VP does dress her age; sometimes a tad too much cougar.  She has the bone structure to go with a short shaped haircut, but apparently long flowing hair, even damaged, with split ends, is a beauty talisman for all these reality folks.  (I applaud Kyle for ridding herself of that curtain she was carrying around.  Husband, four kids, tv guest spots, new show production, etc.  Something had to give: hair was a good choice.)

The hair ages Lisa, not the clothes, though wobbling on heels makes her look seventy.

[SFoster21]

4 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Maybe. But is it hurting anyone? Has her husband said he feels like a fool? And she should pay the people that she employs. If they have the dough, then what's to care about? We all do self-indulgent things, even if they are not to the degree of this money-wise; am I making a fool of my BF because he likes to buy me useless (but for making me happy) collectible Han Solo merchandise? Was I making a fool of my previous BF because he chose to pay my cell phone and Sirius bill (those were the days...but so not worth it in hindsight)?   

I think it's possible to acknowledge all of the above and shout "hurrah" to the woman who is living her dream and still point out that the woman and her entire porn dream output is ridiculous.  

Not mutually exclusive points of view.

[TattleTeeny]

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This really pinpoints what is irritating about Erika.  In real life, she dresses like she is twenty five years old.  She looks odd to me, certainly not classy, wealthy or lawyer's wife.

But maybe she doesn't want to look like those things (minus lawyer's wife--she does look like one simply because she is one and there's no such template for a thing like that). Plus, the typical 25-year-old can't have dresses that cost thousands (whether or not they're ugly is irrelevant) so by just having them, I'd say you "look wealthy."

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I think it's possible to acknowledge all of the above and shout "hurrah" to the woman who is living her dream and still point out that the woman and her entire porn dream output is ridiculous.  

Not mutually exclusive points of view.

 

Oh, agree, agree, agree! Haha, do what you want, as you should because that's super-cool...but we can make fun of it! To be fair, I think her sort of video looks silly at any age--something about the "deliberate sexiness" makes me think of Chrissie on Three's Company when she tried to do a seductive walk!

Edited January 11, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[MerryMary]

Well, I'm glad Kim is back so everyone can get back into judgement mode.  I say that not believing for a second that she's sober, but what business is it of mine or anyone else?  Let her live her train wreck life.  I will say this about Kim, I think she needs a facelift.  Her hard living is showing up on her face; botox and fillers can't solve it.

There has been a blind item floating around about one of the Beverly Hills housewives being addicted to Xanax.  I'm going to guess it's Rhinna.  She is just so painfully thin.  

If anyone is into game night, I recommend Cards Against Humanity.  It's the dirty version of Apples to Apples.  I don't think they sell it in most stores.

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, Duke2801 said:

While Rinna is annoying AF sometimes and most certainly is not an innocent in this feud between them - it was KIM who was the instigator last night.  Things seemed absolutely fine between her and Rinna earlier in the evening. No, they will never be friends, but they were being socially polite to each other.  It wasn't until KIM inserted herself unnecessarily into the (ugh) "PantyGate" conversation that the vibe between them took a turn for the worse.  And yeah, yeah, Rinna did not have to "go there" with the arrests, but serious, fuck KR.  She most certainly DID start the whole shit show back when she insinuated that Harry Hamlin did something nefarious. 

I disagree that they were being socially polite. They were for about five minutes. But then there were shots of Rinna making little faces to Eileen about things Kim said. She was not even trying to be discreet. Look, I have a face for everything that comes out of Kim's deplorable mouth, but I'm not sitting in front of her, making nice about her grandbaby. I will agree that Kim verbally fired the first shot - by saying Rinna always has an excuse for everything. She knew nothing about the situations the ladies were talking about. She could have kept her mouth shut. But if Rinna was rolling her eyes all night, that might have helped push Kim to speak. 

 

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I know! LOL And people still think LisaV is the manipulator/grudge holder/pot stirrer of the group! That baton was passed the moment Eileen joined the show. LOL

I don't agree. I think LVP is still extremely manipulative and pot-stirry. In fact, I don't really think Eileen has the finesse to be manipulative. She might be able to manipulate Rinna, because they're close. But that's about it. Lisa has a way with everyone. And she brought up the panties first AGAIN last night - asking Erika if she was wearing any that night. She does it in her flippant, joking way. But she gets stuff going. 

I think it's possible for them ALL to be socially deficient in their own ways. 

[SweetieDarling]

Eileen gives me a headache.  Why did she feel the need to bring up pantygate when Erika and Dorit had already (in front of Eileen) high-fived and declared it over?  What was she trying to resolve with Dorit?  I am so lost.  If I were Dorit I would have asked "why are we talking about this"?  I was waiting for Erika to chime in "Hellooooo,...I'm right here..." 

Eileen said the others were taking jabs at Erika while Erika is behind her, sitting by the pool, laughing with the alleged mean girls.  

She wasn't even there when it happened!  why does she care so much?  I think she needs some Xanax, or something for her paranoia that she feels the need to take other people's conversations and experiences so personally and try to resolve issues that aren't there to the point where they become issues.

[Giselle]

WAIT! WAIT!

Let me guess what the next episodes will be about! 

Rinna will bring up addiction, apologize and not mean it, make someone else the scapegoat for what she started, look to Eileen for what she's to do next, remind us she fucks Harry Hamlin.

Eileen will smell farts, find that tired of bone of past grievences and start nawing. Stick her pointy little nose where it doesn't belong nor concern her, talk in never-ending circles, be as booooring as hell. 

I set my Tivo not to record repeats.

[AngryCarrot86]

River sighting!  Awwww!  Poor girl ran into the room while the HWs were in the midst of their game and looked startled, like she couldn't get away from them fast enough! LOL! I don't blame her. Bambi just DGAF and wanted ALL the balls thrown.  So cute. 

Annnnd...that's where this franchise is going, folks.  So many of us are just excited to see Kyle's beautiful dogs, to hell with the rest.  Pantygate is a snooze fest.  More German Shepherds and Goldens, please.   Someone throw Eileen one of Bambi's balls...maybe she'll STFU with something gagging her. 

I did laugh at the editing choice showing the snippet of Kim's shoplifting arrest, immediately followed by her twisting off a security tag.  Shaaaade!

Edited January 11, 2017 by AngryCarrot86
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[Duke2801]

33 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I disagree that they were being socially polite. They were for about five minutes. But then there were shots of Rinna making little faces to Eileen about things Kim said. She was not even trying to be discreet. Look, I have a face for everything that comes out of Kim's deplorable mouth, but I'm not sitting in front of her, making nice about her grandbaby. I will agree that Kim verbally fired the first shot - by saying Rinna always has an excuse for everything. She knew nothing about the situations the ladies were talking about. She could have kept her mouth shut. But if Rinna was rolling her eyes all night, that might have helped push Kim to speak

I admit I did not see Rinna making faces.  But - in all honestly - I was watching on the smaller TV in my bedroom and totally could have missed it. I remember KR saying that Rinna had been making faces about her to Eileen - but I take things that KR says with a grain...no wait ... a MINE filled with salt! ;) 

So I am totally cool with standing corrected about them making social niceties.  But my real point was that I didn't understand why Rinna was getting the brunt of the hate for that confrontation when they both had a part to play.

[AndySmith]

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I don't agree. I think LVP is still extremely manipulative and pot-stirry

Lt. Dorit, reporting for duty, ma'am!

[Giselle]

3 hours ago, twilightzone said:

Rinna and Kim were BOTH in the wrong.  At least with Rinna she did apologize and owns her stuff.  Whereas Kim is all about deflecting and denying.

I just find Dorit so annoying.  Eden is more interesting - from what I've seen of her so far.

I like Erika.  She pays attention and is thoughtful when she has something to say - vs just mouthing off for the camera.

It was good to see Camille.  Season 1 will always rule.

Rinna owns it for all of two minutes. Then starts it up again. Funny how Eden is Rinnas friend and starts talking about the Brat pack addictions and Kim in her very first scene. 

Kim should also apologize but she is just like Rinna, she doesn't really mean it and will bring up old grievances. Like that dorit and Kim called out Rinna and Davidson. They light the match, fan the flames, watch the conflagration, and blame someone else for starting the fire.

Spot on and they should be called out.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Giselle
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[breezy424]

15 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

I admit I did not see Rinna making faces.  But - in all honestly - I was watching on the smaller TV in my bedroom and totally could have missed it. I remember KR saying that Rinna had been making faces about her to Eileen - but I take things that KR says with a grain...no wait ... a MINE filled with salt! ;) 

So I am totally cool with standing corrected about them making social niceties.  But my real point was that I didn't understand why Rinna was getting the brunt of the hate for that confrontation when they both had a part to play.

When Kim said that, I rewound and all they showed was a shot of Eileen and LR looking at one another.  It didn't look like an eye roll.  It just looked like they looked at one another after Kim's tinkle tinkle comment.  Given Kim's history, I don't take her word on anything either. 

[zoeysmom]

Getting away from age and a person's station in life. and age appropriate dressing, how about wear something flattering and wearing flattering hair and make-up?  If you employ an army to dress you perhaps you are relying too heavily on their taste?   When I think of well dressed RH I think of Camille, Lisa Rinna, Yolanda (when she bothers to dress) Shannon*, Heather Dubrow, most of the ladies from the now defunct Miami and absolutely no one from Atlanta and New Jersey.  The Countess has mostly positive moments, Bethenny Frankel use to before she decided to wear jumpsuits with breasts hanging out and film in her ever rotating bikinis.   

To me whatever your size, age or personal style, flattering fit and form, clean uncomplicated will always beat trendy attention getting garb.  For some reason Ramona Singer's ridiculous reliance post breast augmentation on macramé dresses comes to mind and of course ripped jeans/pants on anyone.

*Shannon has bad hair.

[twilightzone]

45 minutes ago, Giselle said:

Rinna owns it for all of two minutes. Then starts it up again. Funny how Eden is Rinnas friend and starts talking about the Brat pack addictions and Kim in her very first scene. 

Kim should also apologize but she is just like Rinna, she doesn't really mean it and will bring up old grievances. Likes that dorit and Kim called out Rinna and Davidson. They light the match, can the flames, watch the conflagration, and blame someone else for starting the fire.

Spot on and they should be called out.

But between the 2, Kim's life (personally and professionally) is way more messed up than Rinna's.  And Kim chooses to be influence by someone like Brandi.  And Brandi was way more demeaning to Kim than Rinna ever was.

[JAYJAY1979]

Having Kim on the show feels like she's being rewarded for her behavior.

Rinna needs to employ the 3 deep breath rule and count to 60 before speaks.

Doris realized Erika was no match, so now she is focusing on Eileen.  GODSPEED...since Eileen will put have to sleep.  The newest cure for insomnia...listen to Eileen speak.

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Eh, I guess I don't see this "pick a lane" thing (not saying it's not there). But if an example of that is people's reaction to her bare business being accidentally seen, I'm not of the mind that she "deserves" it because she's provocative in her stage persona (not saying that you're positing that, WW). And, really, it goes without saying that the way a woman dresses is not carte blanche to treat her in a certain way. For example, I am wearing a beautiful tiara in my office right now and these jerk-asses are not treating me like a queen!

(Haha, I am not doing that. But I should be!)

By pick a lane I mean she can't have it both ways, dress in the clothes more aligned with the Erika Jane personality but expect to be treated as Mrs. Girardi successful lawyers serious wife at the same time. She needs to lighten up, like her clothes or be as serious as she acts and dress like it. The only time Erika seems to have fun, laugh and act like a normal woman is when she is with her groupie Eileen, otherwise she is serious/on guard/humorless. She needs to pick a personality or better yet, combine the 2 which would give her a full more normal personality. LOL

[BusyOctober]

I am not a fashionista, and I do not shop in high end stores, so I am ignorant of what's "in" on the runways.  So if anyone out there is, can you fill me in on a trend I'm seeing this season?  What's with the huge neck coverings & chokers these ladies are sporting?  Kyle has some odd faux Elizabethan ruff in in her TH's. LVP had her neck covered up and so did Kim Richards. Is this look really a thing or are they just attempting to hide "turkey necks" or recent cosmetic work? Cuz their attempts at camouflaging are not working.  If anything, they are calling more attention to that area.  A plunging neckline or bare shoulders can be a great look, but pairing it w/ weirdly crocheted gauze wound around your neck only makes me think something is going on under there.

Eileen and Rinna need to have a girls movie night and put "Frozen" on a repeating loop.  Maybe if they hear "Let it Go!" several hundred times, they will get the message. I officially hate Dorit, and her husband, Jabba the Hut PK, but this whole underwear "scandal" needs to die.  It's Eileen & Rinna's fault for keeping this non-issue on life support.  Eden is interesting so far and it's always good to see Camille.  I don't need to see Kim Richards anymore.  She wasn't interesting in her dazed and confused seasons, nor her "sobriety journey" seasons and certainly not now.  Go be healthy and happy with your family...off screen.

[lunastartron]

2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Maybe. But is it hurting anyone? Has her husband said he feels like a fool? And she should pay the people that she employs. If they have the dough, then what's to care about? We all do self-indulgent things, even if they are not to the degree of this money-wise; am I making a fool of my BF because he likes to buy me useless (but for making me happy) collectible Han Solo merchandise? Was I making a fool of my previous BF because he chose to pay my cell phone and Sirius bill (those were the days...but so not worth it in hindsight)?   

If it's Tom's money, he's allowed to spend it how he wishes. It seems that his wife is how he wishes. Also, in this regard, and applied to us regular folks, engagement rings come to mind. I am with you as far as being someone who would so not spend my BF's money on something like this...but that's in direct correlation to my BF's actual money that he makes now. With Tom's kind of money, sure I darn tootin' would if it was OK with him!

 

My objections to Erika are pretty wholistic and all-encompassing. Firstly, I think her typical EJ garb and hyper-selfsexualization are pathetic and more or less repugnant. Not necessarily because of textbook ageist inclinations but because the aforementioned characteristics are reflective of Erika's foundational vacuity and, to cite that beloved franchise buzzword, hypocrisy. For a self-styled warrior queen who tells it like it is, she is a woman who depends almost entirety on men in both the personal and professional arenas of her life as well as the crossroads at which they intersect. Viewers are treated to self-mythologizing pats on the back about how she's racked up eight or nine "Billboard number ones" with nary a mention of the rather salient facts that the chart in question is one of the most obscure and specific categories within said Billboard metric; that these accomplishments were funded entirely by the money a man made; and that, creatively and sartorially, the personage of Erika Jayne is effectively entirely authored by homosexual men. I'm my even sure that Erika herself actively wants to wear the clothes on which she gyrates around in her performances doing some gay male fantasy of women's lib (which is really weird enough since misogyny is pretty much a foundational element of this crude collective fetishization of female "power"). All of her references to clothes are about how the shit she wears must be fabulous because it's "a Mugler" or "Moschino" - for her, the label stitched on the seams is its own self-evident justification for how legitimate a piece of clothing is. And that's pretty reflective of her entire persona to me. She's like a puerile and idiotic adolescent who never grew out of the premise that things are valuable not because she inherently identifies with them but because their brand provenance is edifying in and of itself.   Which is not worthy of "you go, girl" applause or respect in any capacity imo.

As for the matter of Tom being willing to pay for her pursuits? Sure, we all do self-indulgent things. But degree IS the entire point of moral dichotomies. Do we all lie? Sure. Do we all lie on our tax returns in order to evade collection of income and/or feign illness in order to curtail criticism and garner sympathy? No, most people certainly don't. I don't think behavior has to "hurt" anyone to be grotesque.

Edited January 11, 2017 by lunastartron

[TattleTeeny]

50 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Getting away from age and a person's station in life. and age appropriate dressing, how about wear something flattering and wearing flattering hair and make-up?  

To me whatever your size, age or personal style, flattering fit and form, clean uncomplicated will always beat trendy attention getting garb.  For some reason Ramona Singer's ridiculous reliance post breast augmentation on macramé dresses comes to mind and of course ripped jeans/pants on anyone.

*Shannon has bad hair.

Well, of course that's fine; if that's what one likes, one should do it. But that's still a matter of doing what you like best. Some of us love ripped jeans (I don't view them as trendy--they're just a part of having jeans for a long time), and also place "is flattering on me [according to others]" below "what makes me happy to wear" on our fashion priority lists. I might look like an ass in a floor-length paisley maxi dress that's older than I am, but I love it, same as I love my crappy Levi's (that still fit...but may or may not be flattering) and nonsense bun-knot on top of my head when there is just no hope for orderly hair!

TL;DR: Ladies, do what you want! It's just clothes!