S09.E06: Tastes Like Trouble

[Lady Grump]

Phaedra's staged paparazzi run-in, at the top of the episode, cracked me up! Phaedra is just so extra.

Mama Joyce is the Meghan Edmonds of ATL, (I like Meghan, though) -- hunting down the deets. Phaedra is the Lisa Vanderpump of ATL. (I DON'T like Vanderpump.) Both Lisa and Phaedra are pathologically phony and manipulative. Phaedra seems crazy shady, to me. I wouldn't be surprised if she played a part in Apollo's schemes, to be honest. I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't get divorced. (Or, maybe they already have divorced? Who knows.)

I'm nervous about her association with BLM. It's too important a movement to become fodder for a shady Phaedra story line.

[byrd]

3 hours ago, CaughtOnTape said:

I see Kenya throwing the word "immaturity" around a lot in regards to Matt.  And yes, what he's done is totally immature.  Not excusing his behavior in any way, shape or form....but dear Kenya....can we talk about how immature it is to constantly push someone's buttons in order to provoke a reaction?  Because she does that.  Repeatedly.  To everyone she comes in contact with.  

She hits below the belt.  She hones in on what's upsetting to people and grabs onto it like a dog with a bone.  She keep harping at that particular thing until the person snaps.

Is it that persons fault for snapping?  Absolutely.  But she is also culpable for some of it to a degree.  Because what kind of a person finds out someone's weakness and exploits it for their own selfish entertainment?  

She and Matt need to walk away from each other only because they are toxic to each other.  I believe Kenya is toxic to everyone, but that's beside the point.  

 

52 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:

Production insisted on staying (from what I was told), due to Matt's previous violent outburst and breaking the garage door. They did not want to leave her alone with him. Rightly so.

And, I'm not excusing Kenya's behavior either... but when you grow up in a home with no real love, your parents are not there for you ... you often think you deserve to be treated badly. She needs some serious psychotherapy, in my opinion.

Joyce and the attorney meeting was so fake, and yet funny... with her in that getup she wore! LOL!!

Is the big house Porsha wants to buy the one she can't afford? I mean, she lost the townhouse, is renting this house, and wants to buy a bigger one? Yeah, in about three weeks, dear, you too can wind up looking foolish. Again. :D

Kenya is toxic to 'Kenya"

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

Kandi has zero backbone when it comes to her mother. You can love and support your parent without co-signing their inappropriate and disgusting behaviour. Kandi's demeanor in general is hard to take seriously. She doesn't confidently stand her ground and I think part of it just the way she speaks in general - there's just a dismissive tone to her voice. Mama Joyce was all sorts of out of order with her going to the lawyer and then trying to pull Phaedra aside to talk to her about it. Perhaps in the moment I can understand Kandi shutting down the interaction because she knew her mom's intention but when it comes to raising the issue with her mother and pointing out why it was completely wrong of her, Kandi is going to come off nonchalant as usual. Maybe I stopped paying attention at some point, but I don't understand the lead up to conflict between Kandi and Phaedra next week. What does she care about whether Phaedra cried over Apollo and why does she need to comment on their marriage at all? Apollo was an idiot and landed himself in jail...yet again. Phaedra doesn't need to justify why she won't stay married to a man who is currently in jail and will be for the next 8 years, leaving her to be a single mother and missing out in the most pivotal moments of their children's lives. That's justification enough.

Oh Kenya...you are a sad human being and you've done well in establishing your MO throughout the years.  I am in no way condoning Matt's stupidity but it's very clear that Kenya is the ultimate nasty instigator. She likes to poke the bear in everyone and when the claws come out, she steps back so she can make them the centre of attention and show everyone what a crazy, uncontrollable, immature person the other person is. In fairness, Matt has exhibited all of those things...but Kenya has exhibited all of these things consistently but she's done so without the threat of violence or in enraged anger. Being able to contain that doesn't automatically make you the bigger person. Kenya doesn't stop until she gets that type of reaction from people, then she makes herself the victim and THEN she paints herself as the bigger person who can put the past behind her despite being wronged. Does making others unravel around her provide her some temporary security that she isn't the most fucked up person in the room?

"Claps" very well said ! Thank you ..

[ghoulina]

6 hours ago, byrd said:

Maybe the OLG were nervous about the tasting, it could have been possible some of the dishes were not all that .. However nothing could stop Joyce from being at the table because she was there to stir up some s........t.

Notice MJ was sitting front and center with the Housewives at the main table - the Aunties were sitting on stools behind them. 

[sunsheyen]

1 hour ago, cooksdelight said:

 

Is the big house Porsha wants to buy the one she can't afford? I mean, she lost the townhouse, is renting this house, and wants to buy a bigger one? Yeah, in about three weeks, dear, you too can wind up looking foolish. Again. :D

I cackled to myself when she tried to paint it like her finances took a hit AFTER the marriage went kaput. She lost the townhouse while married to a wealthy man with nothing to do with her paychecks other than pay her own bills. It's not like she was going half with Kordell on the mortgage and light bills and didn't have enough left over. It's just so stupid. 

[sunsheyen]

1 hour ago, Lady Grump said:

Phaedra's staged paparazzi run-in, at the top of the episode, cracked me up! Phaedra is just so extra.

I'm nervous about her association with BLM. It's too important a movement to become fodder for a shady Phaedra story line.

yes, all 4 of the "Paps" include the one recording on a cellphone. I died. 

She really trivializes certain social movements when she plays with them like this. I am still disgusted by her invoking BLM/black men profiling with that violent drug dealer ex ball player who knocked his Auntie out in Miami.

eta: sorry, I thought it would merge the posts

Edited December 13, 2016 by sunsheyen

[Ubiquitous]

8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I don't know that he was no longer her client. Kandi said she was with Phaedra when she met with him during filming last season, they even showed a clip of it.

Was he the guy who paid her fees in cash from the front seat of his car?

Seriously, though, does Phaedra the "entertainer lawyer" have any clients who are not in porno?

 

4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

It may be the person's fault for snapping, but it's also Kenya's fault for continually hitting below the belt and thinking she's being cute while doing it.  She's not being cute, she's being immature.

I am so wishing someone would verbally smack Kenya with a comment about her mother.

[WireWrap]

7 minutes ago, Ubiquitous said:

Was he the guy who paid her fees in cash from the front seat of his car?

Seriously, though, does Phaedra the "entertainer lawyer" have any clients who are not in porno?

 

I am so wishing someone would verbally smack Kenya with a comment about her mother.

I am not sure he was/is the same guy. I do believe that most of Phaedra's clients are in the "adult entertainment" industry! LOL

[Quelquun]

Kandi's good at faking reluctance when her friends and family start making inappropriate comments about Phaedra, but the fact that it keeps happening on camera, and that some of them can barely hold back glee when talking about her poorly (notice the smile her Aunt Bertha had before she said that men in jail were Phaedra's trademark), means she must say some horrible things when the camera's not on.

Someone above said that Phaedra is the Lisa Vanderpump of RHOA, but I think it's Kandi.

[swankie]

12 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

but Kenya has exhibited all of these things consistently but she's done so without the threat of violence or in enraged anger.

Kenya did lose her shit with Kim Fields last season and tried to pull her chair out from under her.  She was so jealous of Kim that she did the very thing she claims is inexcusable when others have done it.  She got physically aggressive with someone.

 

11 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

Production insisted on staying (from what I was told), due to Matt's previous violent outburst and breaking the garage door. They did not want to leave her alone with him. Rightly so.

Kenya shouldn't have called Matt to come over in the first place.  I'm convinced she wanted to make sure the broken garage door was emblazoned in our minds and that she could chastise Matt for it on camera which she didn't get to do when it happened.  The whole point of him coming over was so she could belittle him and make him feel like shit on camera.  Another "poor widdle wronged Kenya" moment.

[swankie]

8 hours ago, Ubiquitous said:

I am so wishing someone would verbally smack Kenya with a comment about her mother.

Sheree did just that on WWHL when she was on a couple of weeks ago.  Andy asked her how she felt about Kenya calling her house Chateau Thelma and Sheree said, "That's okay, my mother loves me!"  Andy's jaw dropped and the other guest (can't remember who she was) guffawed after she said it.  I hope that clip is shown at the reunion this season.  I would love to see Kenya's reaction to that.

[Neurochick]

14 hours ago, Ubiquitous said:

I am so wishing someone would verbally smack Kenya with a comment about her mother.

Kenya is lucky I'm not on that show, because if she said some shit to me, I'd have zero issues with saying, "Maybe, but at least my mother wanted me."

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Sheree did just that on WWHL when she was on a couple of weeks ago.  Andy asked her how she felt about Kenya calling her house Chateau Thelma and Sheree said, "That's okay, my mother loves me!"  Andy's jaw dropped and the other guest (can't remember who she was) guffawed after she said it.  I hope that clip is shown at the reunion this season.  I would love to see Kenya's reaction to that.

Good for Sheree.  You can't keep hitting below the belt and not expect others to do the same.

Edited December 14, 2016 by Neurochick

[RHJunkie]

4 hours ago, swankie said:

Kenya did lose her shit with Kim Fields last season and tried to pull her chair out from under her.  She was so jealous of Kim that she did the very thing she claims is inexcusable when others have done it.  She got physically aggressive with someone.

It wasn't to the extent that others have reacted in response to her like Porsha and Matt so in Kenya's eyes, she wouldn't compare the two as being anything similar but you're right, she definitely got aggressive with Kim. If Matt is being honest about Kenya wanting to play up drama in their relationship for the show, and the rumours that the last boyfriend was a hired boyfriend...I'm starting to think that even Kenya isn't truly in denial that she isn't really the star she thinks she is...but for some reason she thinks that the rest of us think she is and she needs to keep up 'appearances'. There is very little that is redeeming about Kenya.

[byrd]

16 hours ago, sunsheyen said:

I cackled to myself when she tried to paint it like her finances took a hit AFTER the marriage went kaput. She lost the townhouse while married to a wealthy man with nothing to do with her paychecks other than pay her own bills. It's not like she was going half with Kordell on the mortgage and light bills and didn't have enough left over. It's just so stupid. 

Porsha did not have any paychecks while married to Kordell, that's the problem, she was totally dependent on him for everything , a stay at home wife, no kids. Kordell controlled everything. I am not sure what happened with the townhome or why she lost it, but she had no money other than what he gave her for an allowance. He chose her wardrobe, she could not have company or entertain her friends in her home without his permission. Her own family wasn't even allowed over unless he gave his consent for them to visit.  She is right,  her finances did take a hit because she had none..

[sunsheyen]

1 hour ago, byrd said:

Porsha did not have any paychecks while married to Kordell, that's the problem, she was totally dependent on him for everything , a stay at home wife, no kids. Kordell controlled everything. I am not sure what happened with the townhome or why she lost it, but she had no money other than what he gave her for an allowance. He chose her wardrobe, she could not have company or entertain her friends in her home without his permission. Her own family wasn't even allowed over unless he gave his consent for them to visit.  She is right,  her finances did take a hit because she had none..

my point was that she implied it was due to the marriage breaking up. Not the case, her finances were in shambles before Kordell "kicked [her] out." 

As far as the rest, she chose to not pay the taxes. If it was important to her, she would've figured out a way. He may have been a controlling asshole, but she wasn't locked in the house or disabled. She could've gotten some kind of lil job, like the one she took being cast on RHOA.

Edited December 14, 2016 by sunsheyen

[byrd]

9 minutes ago, sunsheyen said:

my point was that she implied it was due to the marriage breaking up. Not the case, her finances were in shambles before Kordell "kicked [her] out." 

As far as the rest, she chose to not pay the taxes. If it was important to her, she would've figured out a way. He may have been a controlling asshole, but she wasn't locked in the house or disabled. She could've gotten some kind of lil job. 

Okay, maybe you're right, but getting a "lil job" as you put it was out of the question for Kordell.  Maybe she could have asked him to pay the taxes, not sure what the issue was with that , but sometimes when you're young and feel like you're trapped in this kind of relationship , your reasoning can get really screwed up.  Porsha  just did not  have on her "Big  Drawers" to handle her business like a grown woman should. I know she had to be available to him and running his household,  so working was not an option for her.   

Edited December 14, 2016 by byrd

[sunsheyen]

2 minutes ago, byrd said:

Okay, maybe you're right, but getting a "lil job" as you put it was out of the question for Kordell.  Maybe she could have asked him to pay the taxes, not sure what the issue was with that , but sometimes when you're young and feel like you're trapped in this kind of relationship , your reasoning can get really screwed up.  Porsha  just did not  have on her "Big  Drawers" to handle her business like a grown woman should. I know she had to be available to him and running his household,  so working was not an option for her.   

That's the problem. It was an option. She chose to let someone else dictate her behavior. She was a 30 year old woman when she married him. Choices.

[cooksdelight]

4 minutes ago, byrd said:

Okay, maybe you're right, but getting a "lil job" as you put it was out of the question for Kordell.  Maybe she could have asked him to pay the taxes, not sure what the issue was with that , but sometimes when you're young and feel like you're trapped in this kind of relationship , your reasoning can get really screwed up.  Porsha  just did not  have on her "Big  Drawers" to handle her business like a grown woman should. I know she had to be available to him and running his household,  so working was not an option for her.   

I'm not 100% positive, but I think Kordell gave her the money... which she squandered on shoes and handbags. Remember the party where he gave her a fat check inside a designer purse? Porsha is one of those people who think taxes don't apply to her. She's in for a rude awakening if she tries to qualify for a loan without her mother co-signing.

[byrd]

4 minutes ago, sunsheyen said:

That's the problem. It was an option. She chose to let someone else dictate her behavior. She was a 30 year old woman when she married him. Choices.

I agree, I get it trust me, but age " ain't nothing but a number," she was a 30 years old immature woman . Porsha behaves and thinks like a child. However I have seen a lot of growth  since her divorce.

Edited December 14, 2016 by byrd

[ZaldamoWilder]

I don't wanna giggle at Porsha because divorce is sad no matter what.  {{pauses for decency}} but lol.   She married a professional athlete either without a prenup or with one that left her nothing, knowing he didn't want her to work.   This is much bigger than the underground railroad.   

She can still work.   She can make personal appearances at wherever and have somebody inform her about her grandfather's foundation and charge to speak as its representative.   But you know, a lingerie line works too, I guess.

[byrd]

6 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:

I'm not 100% positive, but I think Kordell gave her the money... which she squandered on shoes and handbags. Remember the party where he gave her a fat check inside a designer purse? Porsha is one of those people who think taxes don't apply to her. She's in for a rude awakening if she tries to qualify for a loan without her mother co-signing.

Exactly, this is what I am talking about , immature and not taking care of business. I am sure there were many opportunities when she had money to pay her taxes, but choose not to do so.  Yes I remember that episode very well, I was not aware of the townhouse situation until the divorce . Thanks for the update..

Edited December 14, 2016 by byrd

[byrd]

7 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

I don't wanna giggle at Porsha because divorce is sad no matter what.  {{pauses for decency}} but lol.   She married a professional athlete either without a prenup or with one that left her nothing, knowing he didn't want her to work.   This is much bigger than the underground railroad.   

She can still work.   She can make personal appearances at wherever and have somebody inform her about her grandfather's foundation and charge to speak as its representative.   But you know, a lingerie line works too, I guess.

Well you are giggling ..Lol ! I can see you "crackin up right now.. I believe Porsha is doing very well financially at this time.  Hair and lingerie line are doing well from what I understand.

[AndySmith]

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She can still work.   She can make personal appearances at wherever and have somebody inform her about her grandfather's foundation and charge to speak as its representative.   But you know, a lingerie line works too, I guess.

Or, do what most people do, downgrade her lifestyle and try living within her means.

Yeah, I laughed too, as soon as I was done typing that.

[byrd]

2 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

Or, do what most people do, downgrade her lifestyle and try living within her means.

Yeah, I laughed too, as soon as I was done typing that.

Lol ! well , I won't hold my breath on that one, because driving a Bentley and carrying 80 thousand dollar purses  ? Not happening..  

[Aging Goth]

1 hour ago, byrd said:

Lol ! well , I won't hold my breath on that one, because driving a Bentley and carrying 80 thousand dollar purses  ? Not happening..  

however, she now has the Dish and has hosted the show, she hits the red carpet interviewing celebs, and she is now on local stations with a syndicated entertainment talk show and that is not including her now three business ventures and that she models and sells everything she wears for different designers.  So she actually have the coins to buy her (second hand) Bentley and secure those purses after modelling them for the particular companies.  Porsha may say some dumb things but the girl is NOT stupid.

[byrd]

1 minute ago, Aging Goth said:

however, she now has the Dish and has hosted the show, she hits the red carpet interviewing celebs, and she is now on local stations with a syndicated entertainment talk show and that is not including her now three business ventures and that she models and sells everything she wears for different designers.  So she actually have the coins to buy her (second hand) Bentley and secure those purses after modelling them for the particular companies.  Porsha may say some dumb things but the girl is NOT stupid.

Absolutely she's not stupid , this is why downgrading her lifestyle is not an option, the girl knows how to get what she wants .

[byrd]

10 hours ago, swankie said:

Kenya did lose her shit with Kim Fields last season and tried to pull her chair out from under her.  She was so jealous of Kim that she did the very thing she claims is inexcusable when others have done it.  She got physically aggressive with someone.

 

Kenya shouldn't have called Matt to come over in the first place.  I'm convinced she wanted to make sure the broken garage door was emblazoned in our minds and that she could chastise Matt for it on camera which she didn't get to do when it happened.  The whole point of him coming over was so she could belittle him and make him feel like shit on camera.  Another "poor widdle wronged Kenya" moment.

 

4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Kenya is lucky I'm not on that show, because if she said some shit to me, I'd have zero issues with saying, "Maybe, but at least my mother wanted me."

Good for Sheree.  You can't keep hitting below the belt and not expect others to do the same.

I saw this show and I loved the way Sheree handled this , it was so smooth......

[AndySmith]

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Absolutely she's not stupid , this is why downgrading her lifestyle is not an option, the girl knows how to get what she wants .

So does the IRS lol

[byrd]

40 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

So does the IRS lol

lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! right you are ! 

Edited December 14, 2016 by byrd

[ButterQueen]

On 12/13/2016 at 3:35 PM, cooksdelight said:

Production insisted on staying (from what I was told), due to Matt's previous violent outburst and breaking the garage door. They did not want to leave her alone with him. Rightly so.

And, I'm not excusing Kenya's behavior either... but when you grow up in a home with no real love, your parents are not there for you ... you often think you deserve to be treated badly. She needs some serious psychotherapy, in my opinion.

Joyce and the attorney meeting was so fake, and yet funny... with her in that getup she wore! LOL!!

Is the big house Porsha wants to buy the one she can't afford? I mean, she lost the townhouse, is renting this house, and wants to buy a bigger one? Yeah, in about three weeks, dear, you too can wind up looking foolish. Again. :D

If poor Miss Kenya is so afraid of Matt, why continually call him and invite him over. She's just a mean bitch, and too damn old to still be blaming her childhood on her horrible behavior.

[queenjen]

15 hours ago, swankie said:

Kenya did lose her shit with Kim Fields last season and tried to pull her chair out from under her.  She was so jealous of Kim that she did the very thing she claims is inexcusable when others have done it.  She got physically aggressive with someone.

Round of applause, Swankie. This cannot be said enough. It's like production are deliberately underplaying it after Porsha's reunion outburst made her status on the show very shaky. Because that's what Kenya wanted, it's what Kenya was angling for. Porsha was the first person to 'diss' Kenya with mixing up the Miss America/Miss USA comment. So Kenya has been relentless and completely unforgiving with Porsha. But Kim Fields comes on and none of Kenya's usual snarky bignoting without receipts crap works and ....Kenya immediately resorts to physical violence. The difference is in the edit. And the person. Kim isn't like Kenya and didn't continue to crow about it, or call our Kenya's hyprocrisy. I applaud you mentioning it, because Kenya continually deliberately provokes people who WILL snap and she continually goes on about how 'threatened' she feels around Porsha and calls security on other women (and men) for her 'own safety'. I wish Kim had called security on Kenya. 

[sunsheyen]

I was very surprised when Kenya went there with Kim...but on further reflection, this was one person she couldn't rattle (in person) with words or manipulation. I don't think the editing/lack of continued attention was due to a pro-Kenya bent on the editors' parts, I think it was more toward eliminating any mention of Kim when they knew they wouldn't be inviting her back. 

That was very wrong of Kenya and I think it showed her frustration when encountering someone she couldn't manipulate. Interesting to see her resort to invading space (I wouldn't call it violence although I can see where others would disagree).

[Normades]

14 hours ago, queenjen said:

So Kenya has been relentless and completely unforgiving with Porsha. But Kim Fields comes on and none of Kenya's usual snarky bignoting without receipts crap works and ....Kenya immediately resorts to physical violence.

You see, this is the way to handle Kenya.  Don't feed into the behaviour.  It drove her crazy when she couldn't manipulate Kim into acting out.  Some posters suggested going low and saying things about Kenya's mother.  While I think she has earned that kind of blow, I really think ignoring Kenya would be the most painful.  I don't condone what Matt did and there is no excuse, but I think she does push people toward acting out and then she plays the victim.  I don't think those two need to be together at all, but I did think Matt held his own, stating his case pretty calmly and driving off (again refusing to play Kenya's game).  I only wish he had calmly driven away, never to see or speak to her again.  That is what she has earned. (He should also pay for the damages!!)

On 12/13/2016 at 6:59 PM, Quelquun said:

 

Kandi's good at faking reluctance when her friends and family start making inappropriate comments about Phaedra, but the fact that it keeps happening on camera, and that some of them can barely hold back glee when talking about her poorly (notice the smile her Aunt Bertha had before she said that men in jail were Phaedra's trademark), means she must say some horrible things when the camera's not on.

 

I believe Kandi is using Mama Joyce to do her dirty work.  All that mess didn't come from nowhere.  Mama Joyce was all dressed up and "ready for her close up" when she tried to take Phaedra on.  Kandi was able to stop Mama Joyce on camera so that she could look like the hero saving Phaedra and the victim to her crazy as hell mother, all the while knowing the tea would be spilled in the set up.  Pretty smart and incredibly nasty.

I think Pheadra played it well and I loved her TH about how Mama Joyce came for her, but thank heavens she kept her shoes on!!  She really cracks me up!!

[queenjen]

2 minutes ago, Normades said:

I only wish he had calmly driven away, never to see or speak to her again.  That is what she has earned. (He should also pay for the damages!!)

Matt should get himself a publicist, offer to pay any damages Kenya feels are warranted and sincerely and authentically show remorse for his part in acting the role of a violent abuser and apologise to victims of domestic and family violence everywhere. He should go on Wendy Williams or something and have a tell all and heart to heart about his rollercoaster ride with the most delusional woman on reality television. Kenya is up (or down) there with Vicki Gunvalasen and Teresa Giudice IMO. If Matt is as committed to building the 'Matt Jordan Brand', then he should do the apology tour. And get Phaedra as his entertainment lawyer!

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 7:47 PM, Bronzedog said:

Yes to this!  Why is she on every week?  And, another thing- last week during the wish-I-could-forget stankey ball segment Joyce (she ain't my mama) just walked into Kandi's house?  And, Kandi doesn't have a key to her house?  Hell no!

I don't know why Andy thinks people like her.  She's petty, nasty and rude.  It's like when Andy was convinced people enjoyed watching Aviva's nasty perv dad until he went so far as to sexually assault cast members on camera and enough fans threatened to stop watching that he FINALLY stopped trying to push him on the viewers. 

I haven't seen many Joyce fans on RHWOA.  It's clear, however, that Andy somehow thinks we enjoy watching her hijinks.  That ridiculous lawyer scene told me everything I need to know about both her and Satan Andy's opinion of her.

On ‎12‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 6:51 AM, byrd said:

I keep saying they need to stop filming Joyce.. She does not have a Peach, why is she getting so much air-time?? Is she getting paid?

I'm pretty sure Joyce doesn't get out of bed unless she's getting paid.  I've never seen anyone in my LIFE more money grubbing than that horrible woman.

[Rlb8031]

On 12/12/2016 at 0:32 PM, WireWrap said:

I am beginning to suspect that Kandi is more like her mother/Aunts than not, which is why she excuses their behavior all the time.

I don't think that is truly the case. I'd guess that MJ's behavior with Kandi dates back to her childhood. She was the mother who wanted to know who Kandi liked, who she was friends with, had an opinion about every one of her friendships or relationships, etc. She didn't start acting this way when Kandi got into Xscape, or when she turned 20, or when she had Riley. She's always been this way. 

In contrast, Kandi appears to be very respectful of Riley's personal space. She's never shown grilling her daughter for information or inappropriately being involved in her life. Kandi may have PTSD from dealing with MJ, but she isn't carrying the ugly, troll-like behavior forward.

[ghoulina]

12 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I don't know why Andy thinks people like her.  She's petty, nasty and rude.  It's like when Andy was convinced people enjoyed watching Aviva's nasty perv dad until he went so far as to sexually assault cast members on camera and enough fans threatened to stop watching that he FINALLY stopped trying to push him on the viewers. 

I haven't seen many Joyce fans on RHWOA.  It's clear, however, that Andy somehow thinks we enjoy watching her hijinks.  That ridiculous lawyer scene told me everything I need to know about both her and Satan Andy's opinion of her.

I've noticed with other shows I watch that the opinions HERE are often vastly different from those I see on social media. I think there very well might be a lot of people who find MJ funny and entertaining. God knows why....but I'm still trying to figure out how the Teen Moms have so many die-hard fans. It's a weird world out there. That's why I like my Previously Bubble. 

Edited December 15, 2016 by ghoulina

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 6:09 AM, Neurochick said:

Kenya is lucky I'm not on that show, because if she said some shit to me, I'd have zero issues with saying, "Maybe, but at least my mother wanted me."

Good for Sheree.  You can't keep hitting below the belt and not expect others to do the same.

See, I think that kind of comment just makes the person who said it look petty and nasty.  Throwing someone's abandonment as a small child in their face 40+ years later is stupid, nasty and petty.   It's never justified.  There's plenty to insult Kenya about without resorting to something she had zero control over that likely fucked her up for life.  I mean, what's next?  "At least my uncle didn't molest me as a child!  Ooooh, sick burn!"  Honestly, it's something Joyce would say.

Edited December 15, 2016 by lezlers

[Neurochick]

39 minutes ago, lezlers said:

See, I think that kind of comment just makes the person who said it look petty and nasty.  Throwing someone's abandonment as a small child in their face 40+ years later is stupid, nasty and petty.   It's never justified.  There's plenty to insult Kenya about without resorting to something she had zero control over that likely fucked her up for life.  I mean, what's next?  "At least my uncle didn't molest me as a child!  Ooooh, sick burn!"  Honestly, it's something Joyce would say.

I disagree with this.  If you don't want someone to hit below the belt, it's simple, don't hit below the belt yourself.  And Kenya is the one milking this, "look, poor me, my mom abandoned me," sure that is horrible, but I sense that Kenya's using it go gain sympathy. 

[Ellee]

54 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I'm pretty sure Joyce doesn't get out of bed unless she's getting paid.  I've never seen anyone in my LIFE more money grubbing than that horrible woman.

[FlyingEgret]

5 hours ago, Normades said:

I believe Kandi is using Mama Joyce to do her dirty work.  All that mess didn't come from nowhere.  Mama Joyce was all dressed up and "ready for her close up" when she tried to take Phaedra on.  Kandi was able to stop Mama Joyce on camera so that she could look like the hero saving Phaedra and the victim to her crazy as hell mother, all the while knowing the tea would be spilled in the set up.  Pretty smart and incredibly nasty.

I think Pheadra played it well and I loved her TH about how Mama Joyce came for her, but thank heavens she kept her shoes on!!  She really cracks me up!!

I may be mis-remembering the scene at the tasting event, but it seemed to me that  Mama Joyce kept waiting for Kandi to break up the conversation; if she really wanted to "go there" she would have continued talking at the table.  It reminded me of a "fighter" begging someone else to hold their arms so they don't punch someone else when they were never going to in the first place...

[ZaldamoWilder]

40 minutes ago, lezlers said:

See, I think that kind of comment just makes the person who said it look petty and nasty.  Throwing someone's abandonment as a small child in their face 40+ years later is stupid, nasty and petty.   It's never justified.  There's plenty to insult Kenya about without resorting to something she had zero control over that likely fucked her up for life.  I mean, what's next?  "At least my uncle didn't molest me as a child!  Ooooh, sick burn!"  Honestly, it's something Joyce would say.

It'll sound like I'm making an argument for shittiness.  {{kanyeshrug}} maybe I am lol.   There are a couple things specific to Kenya that make for terrible threshold minimums.   

She doesn't respect boundaries.   She relishes escalation.   She goes for the jugular.   Then hides behind the technicality of instigation by accurately claiming not to be physically aggressive.   With the exception of what Sheree said on WWHL, her castmates have been gracious in response to what they know of her background.   I don't think it's ever occurred to them to use it or even better, if they have, they've dismissed it.  But getting back to justifying shittiness, if you're arguing with an asshole and they find a vein and take it there, you want to have a way to exploit their weakness and leave them lying on the coliseum floor waiting to be carried out.  <--- no? just me? lol.    For an opponent who uses words as a weapon, these are the ones will stop the fight.   We saw how she reacted when Kim Fields took the high road with her.   So we might be more of a when they go low, you go lower kinda crowd, sorry. 

[byrd]

1 hour ago, lezlers said:

I don't know why Andy thinks people like her.  She's petty, nasty and rude.  It's like when Andy was convinced people enjoyed watching Aviva's nasty perv dad until he went so far as to sexually assault cast members on camera and enough fans threatened to stop watching that he FINALLY stopped trying to push him on the viewers. 

I haven't seen many Joyce fans on RHWOA.  It's clear, however, that Andy somehow thinks we enjoy watching her hijinks.  That ridiculous lawyer scene told me everything I need to know about both her and Satan Andy's opinion of her.

I'm pretty sure Joyce doesn't get out of bed unless she's getting paid.  I've never seen anyone in my LIFE more money grubbing than that horrible woman.

you're right , what the hell was I thinking..

[lezlers]

27 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

It'll sound like I'm making an argument for shittiness.  {{kanyeshrug}} maybe I am lol.   There are a couple things specific to Kenya that make for terrible threshold minimums.   

She doesn't respect boundaries.   She relishes escalation.   She goes for the jugular.   Then hides behind the technicality of instigation by accurately claiming not to be physically aggressive.   With the exception of what Sheree said on WWHL, her castmates have been gracious in response to what they know of her background.   I don't think it's ever occurred to them to use it or even better, if they have, they've dismissed it.  But getting back to justifying shittiness, if you're arguing with an asshole and they find a vein and take it there, you want to have a way to exploit their weakness and leave them lying on the coliseum floor waiting to be carried out.  <--- no? just me? lol.    For an opponent who uses words as a weapon, these are the ones will stop the fight.   We saw how she reacted when Kim Fields took the high road with her.   So we might be more of a when they go low, you go lower kinda crowd, sorry. 

I can see that.  Except what good is the fight being over if the "winner" ends up looking like a bigger asshole than the "loser?"  Mocking someone for being abandoned as a baby by their mother is just.....trashy.  No one really wins if everyone ends up looking like a jackass.

[announcergirl]

3 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

It'll sound like I'm making an argument for shittiness.  {{kanyeshrug}} maybe I am lol.   There are a couple things specific to Kenya that make for terrible threshold minimums.   

She doesn't respect boundaries.   She relishes escalation.   She goes for the jugular.   Then hides behind the technicality of instigation by accurately claiming not to be physically aggressive.   With the exception of what Sheree said on WWHL, her castmates have been gracious in response to what they know of her background.   I don't think it's ever occurred to them to use it or even better, if they have, they've dismissed it.  But getting back to justifying shittiness, if you're arguing with an asshole and they find a vein and take it there, you want to have a way to exploit their weakness and leave them lying on the coliseum floor waiting to be carried out.  <--- no? just me? lol.    For an opponent who uses words as a weapon, these are the ones will stop the fight.   We saw how she reacted when Kim Fields took the high road with her.   So we might be more of a when they go low, you go lower kinda crowd, sorry. 

Uh, no. YOU ARE SPARTACUS!!!

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, lezlers said:

I can see that.  Except what good is the fight being over if the "winner" ends up looking like a bigger asshole than the "loser?"  Mocking someone for being abandoned as a baby by their mother is just.....trashy.  No one really wins if everyone ends up looking like a jackass.

Sadly, because no one ever goes in that low on Kenya, she will never learn there are boundaries that no one should cross, including her.

[ZaldamoWilder]

5 hours ago, lezlers said:

I can see that.  Except what good is the fight being over if the "winner" ends up looking like a bigger asshole than the "loser?"  Mocking someone for being abandoned as a baby by their mother is just.....trashy.  No one really wins if everyone ends up looking like a jackass.

Well.  I didn't say there wouldn't be sacrifices lol.  Try not to focus on the content, it's besides the point.  Point is to force her to reconsider her verbal recklessness by reciprocating it.   Being the bigger person might work with people who have normal boundaries, it doesn't with her.  Unabated, what happens is: Joyce 

2 hours ago, announcergirl said:

Uh, no. YOU ARE SPARTACUS!!!

::clapsannouncergirl'sback:: I'm hungry. Come Marcus Arelius, let us feast grapes from the bare abdomens of the Emperor's guards. 

[cooksdelight]

8 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I've noticed with other shows I watch that the opinions HERE are often vastly different from those I see on social media. I think there very well might be a lot of people who find MJ funny and entertaining. God knows why....but I'm still trying to figure out how the Teen Moms have so many die-hard fans. It's a weird world out there. That's why I like my Previously Bubble. 

I once got 867 likes for a post I made on Facebook about how nasty and greedy Joyce is. I think a lot of people dislike her, and this episode is a good example of why.

[swankie]

13 hours ago, lezlers said:

13 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

 

I can see that.  Except what good is the fight being over if the "winner" ends up looking like a bigger asshole than the "loser?"  Mocking someone for being abandoned as a baby by their mother is just.....trashy.

I would agree if Kenya wasn't such an abominable asshole who doesn't skip a beat when it comes to going there with someone else.  In Sheree's case, Kenya never should have had Sheree's mother's name in her damned mouth.  That's one thing you don't do on these shows, especially if the person's family member didn't sign up to be on this show.  What she said about Sheree's mom was very disrespectful and wasn't even funny.  And I think Sheree handled it beautifully.  She didn't say, "At least my mother loves me" which would be blatantly hurtful to Kenya.  No, Sheree played it cool like a true shade marksman.  I don't remember it word for word but the exchange was something like this: 

Andy:  Sheree, what do you think about Kenya calling your house Chateau Thelma?"

Sheree:  "That's fine.  My mother loves me."

Brilliant in my opinion and Kenya deserves every bit of it!  Maybe now she'll think twice about ragging on other people's family members.  (I didn't mind her calling Sheree's wig a "tired Momma Joyce wig" though.  To me that's different since Joyce is actually on the show.)

Edited December 16, 2016 by swankie

[queenjen]

But Kenya didn't say that. According to Kenya, PULEASE, let Mama Joyce turn her insanity on Kenya, that would justify her overexposure on this show to date. 

[Rlb8031]

2 hours ago, queenjen said:

But Kenya didn't say that. According to Kenya, PULEASE, let Mama Joyce turn her insanity on Kenya, that would justify her overexposure on this show to date. 

I know!!!! I so wanted Mama Joyce to read Kenya for filth about that wig crack. I can only imagine her turning up her nose and lips like she's smelled an extremely stinky fart while leaning over to Kenya to talk about her house, her mama, her skin, her men, and every TMZ story that has ever been written about that woman. She's been in 'dem streets and the streets is talkin'...