Donald John Trump: 2016 President-Elect

[zxy556575]

56 minutes ago, Padma said:

Pence was selling the "media" rigging today, but Trump thinks its both the press and the actual vote count (just as he complained about the Louisiana primary being rigged. And the Emmys.  I think it's basically "losing = rigged")

Trump said it himself during the primaries: "The system is rigged against me. Unless I win, then it's correct."

[millennium]

5 hours ago, Padma said:

I find his tweet about the NC firebombing extremely offensive. I hope he won't get away with it: "Animals representing Hillary Clinton and Dems in North Carolina just firebombed our office in Orange County because we are winning @NCGOP

Fires can be very motivational.

Reichstag Fire

Edited October 17, 2016 by millennium

[NewDigs]

6 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

Plus I still firmly believe that at the core of his running for office is a hatred and a sense that finally he will "beat" President Obama.  There has been a weird tone to his entire run that has been aimed more at President Obama than at Clinton sometimes.

I can't remember where but I recently saw a piece that made a case for Donald's I-wanna-be-prez lightbulb moment to have happened when Obama poked fun at him at one of those National Press Club things.

They showed a clip of Donald sitting fairly stone-faced at his table. He did look a bit perturbed and I could see his discomfort and now that we're more familiar with his hit-back-harder mentality it makes some sense.

[Menrva]

33 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

I can't remember where but I recently saw a piece that made a case for Donald's I-wanna-be-prez lightbulb moment to have happened when Obama poked fun at him at one of those National Press Club things.

They showed a clip of Donald sitting fairly stone-faced at his table. He did look a bit perturbed and I could see his discomfort and now that we're more familiar with his hit-back-harder mentality it makes some sense.

Seth Meyers apologized for Trump:

http://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/seth-meyers-offers-sincerest-apologies-for-trump-783027779743

[needschocolate]

I got an email from the only Trump supporter I know.  It was about Hillary Clinton screaming and yelling obscenities backstage after the Presidential Forum.  She wanted Matt Lauer to be fired.

It made me realize something.    I have know people who don't "get" sarcasm - they have trouble realizing when someone is being sarcastic. Perhaps the same thing is true with hypocrisy, that there are people who can't see  hypocrisy.  If true, it would go a long way to explain Trump supporters. 

[Darian]

34 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

Trump donated $29,000 in supplies and his daughter in law helped with giving out relief to the recent NC flood victims in Fayetteville, according to their local paper The Fayetteville Observer. 

Huh, there's finally one positive thing about Donald Trump running for president. He followed through on giving to charity: 

NYC Official: No Evidence Trump Gave $10K to 9/11 Fund

He made money on 9/11, actually. And bragged that now that the towers had fallen, his was the highest building.

For some reason, the tweet I posted last night is stuck in this response and I can't delete it. It's good though. Shows that his response is consistently self-serving, classless, knee-jerk and unpresidential. No one knows who bombed that building. He is not fit to hold any elected office. 

[random chance]

6 hours ago, ruby24 said:

Unfortunately, I feel like I know more about this man than I EVER cared to know, and if there's any genuine core to him, it is his deep-seated racism and misogyny.

I think it's the combination of that and some kind of mental disorder, because from what I can tell he believes he's telling the truth about things like "Hillary started the birther movement," either that or he's such a glib and expert liar that he has no tells at all.

[Darian]

Some morning reading, courtesy of Mother Jones:

The Trump Files: Donald Attacks a Reporter Who Questioned His Claim to Own the Empire State Building

The Trump Files: "Until the election, we're bringing you "The Trump Files," a daily dose of telling episodes, strange but true stories, or curious scenes from the life of GOP nominee Donald Trump."

The gist of that article is that in 1995,  Trump claimed sole ownership of the Empire State Building. A reporter challenged him, and he later said he owned 80 percent, then 50. But as for the reporter:

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Trump wasn't happy, and he took his revenge on Scott, sending her letters calling her "'very sleazy,' 'unattractive,' 'obnoxious,' and 'boring,'" D'Antonio writes.

The mogul continued:

Selina, you have little talent and, from what I have seen, even fewer viewers. You are no longer 'hot'; perhaps that is the curse of dishonesty. You would, obviously, go to any lengths to try to restore your faded image, but guess what—the public is aware and apparently much brighter than you. They aren't tuning in! I hope you are able to solve your problems before it is too late.

Scott also wrote in the Daily Mail that Trump's insults continued for years. In just one example, Scott said he sent her a clip of a story about his net worth with the message, "'Selina you are a major loser.'"

Of course he attacks her looks. She's a woman. 

Here's a List of the Information Trump Has Promised but Not Released

I'd forgotten some of these. 

How Trump's Casino Bankruptcies Screwed His Workers Out of Millions in Retirement Savings

It's a detailed article, but this the takeaway is that "Trump made out like a bandit, but his employees paid the price."

[ChromaKelly]

The calls for voter intimidation and violence if Trump doesn't win scare me. I live in a very diverse area, with everything from Trump supporters to all the groups he's maligned. I am picturing a woman in a hijab going to vote with some Trumpet lurking around, or a Latino getting asked if he's here legally. People can't really hang around the polling place, can they? What does he want his supporters to do exactly?
I've never been serious about the I'll leave this country if my preferred candidate doesn't win. In this case, if somehow Trump won, I honestly don't know if my family would be safe. Heck I don't even know if we'll be safe if he loses, if these calls for violence are acted upon. Trump might lose but his supporters are still going to exist.

[33kaitykaity]

13 minutes ago, random chance said:

I think it's the combination of that and some kind of mental disorder, because from what I can tell he believes he's telling the truth about things like "Hillary started the birther movement," either that or he's such a glib and expert liar that he has no tells at all.

Pathological liars very often believe they are really telling the truth.  

[random chance]

13 minutes ago, ChromaKelly said:

Heck I don't even know if we'll be safe if he loses, if these calls for violence are acted upon. Trump might lose but his supporters are still going to exist.

That's what worries me, that this won't go away on November 9. That he'll continue to hold rallies and whip up his supporters. I watch him preen in front of them, and I have a sinking feeling that there is no way he's giving up this drug.

[Darian]

8 minutes ago, ChromaKelly said:

The calls for voter intimidation and violence if Trump doesn't win scare me. I live in a very diverse area, with everything from Trump supporters to all the groups he's maligned. I am picturing a woman in a hijab going to vote with some Trumpet lurking around, or a Latino getting asked if he's here legally. People can't really hang around the polling place, can they? What does he want his supporters to do exactly?
I've never been serious about the I'll leave this country if my preferred candidate doesn't win. In this case, if somehow Trump won, I honestly don't know if my family would be safe. Heck I don't even know if we'll be safe if he loses, if these calls for violence are acted upon. Trump might lose but his supporters are still going to exist. 

This Washington Post piece has a lot of information, including the Trump campaign's email to supporters about watching the polls. 

 I'm reading up on the actual rules. I've held a sign for my candidate outside a polling place, and I know we had to be certain distance away and not interfere with voters or passersby. I also worked one year inside the polling station, checking off voters. I was there because I volunteered (still do) for an LGBTQ right organization and there was a relevant ballot question. All I did was sit in a chair near where voters turned in their ballots. I had to try to catch their address and check them off our list of supporters. I'd swap out with another worker and give my pages to a coordinator who would have phone workers call those who hadn't voted yet to ask them to and see if they need a ride. We were watched very closely, to make sure we were interacting in any way with voters or communicating in any way with those outside the polling place. Sit, eyes down, listen hard, make check marks. People can't just walk around inside, but outside, I want to read up a little more. 

[madmaverick]

I really would not be surprised if Trump TV is coming to us soon, though for the life of me I can't stomach that man talking pure nonsense without end.

[Rapunzel]

39 minutes ago, ChromaKelly said:

The calls for voter intimidation and violence if Trump doesn't win scare me. I live in a very diverse area, with everything from Trump supporters to all the groups he's maligned. I am picturing a woman in a hijab going to vote with some Trumpet lurking around, or a Latino getting asked if he's here legally. People can't really hang around the polling place, can they? What does he want his supporters to do exactly?
I've never been serious about the I'll leave this country if my preferred candidate doesn't win. In this case, if somehow Trump won, I honestly don't know if my family would be safe. Heck I don't even know if we'll be safe if he loses, if these calls for violence are acted upon. Trump might lose but his supporters are still going to exist.

I'm just glad I live in a state where you can register to be a permanent mail in voter, which I am, so won't have to deal with any repercussions of him telling his "supporters" to "go watch other polling places after they are done voting " because, he implies, something unfair may occur, or something to that effect. This can come across like asking the KKK to go to polling places to prevent minorities from voting as well as women who aren't voting as their husbands tell them to from entering polling places. Trump is taking this Country back to the 50s/60s, and it is so wrong.  Thankfully, as I live in CA, Trump has next to no shot at winning this state anyway, and I think his people know it as he really hasn't spent much money here at all. Also, we have a good amount of electoral college votes (though I wish they would just go off the popular vote as the electoral college is way too dated), so that hopefully will help ensure he doesn't get anywhere near the Presidency.

When Trump loses (I say "when" as I really want to believe that the majority of this country will not elect a racist, misogynistic, piece of shit), he can go relocate to Russia and lick his wounds and claim how this whole campaign was rigged, since, no one on the planet is more qualified for the job than he is (according to only him - unless he believes we're all as stupid as he is). Since he and Putin are such good buddies (or at least were), they can continue to try to hack Hillary's e-mails and claim that the Country made such a horrible mistake by not putting Hillary in jail where she belongs, especially since, given all the other things she's done to offend "The Donald," she rigged the election (complete sarcasm here, by the way).

I'm sorry, but if I hadn't paid my taxes in 20 years, I know I'd be in jail, which is where Trump should be. I know he exploited a loophole or something, but as an attorney myself (though I'm definitely not a tax attorney and no expert there - I'm primarily international law, but work in some other areas as well and donate as much pro-bono time as I possibly can, even on personal time, which my employer, a well known Tech Company, is very supportive of), putting the tax issues aside, there are numerous other things he could be brought up on charges on and at least be investigated. This is another reason he should run to Russia when he loses, though if he missteps with Putin, and it seems he could be getting close, he could find things worse than jail waiting for him over there.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Rapunzel

[DeLurker]

36 minutes ago, ChromaKelly said:

I am picturing a woman in a hijab going to vote with some Trumpet lurking around, or a Latino getting asked if he's here legally. People can't really hang around the polling place, can they?

They aren't supposed to, but now I am picturing them accosting people and trying to make citizen's arrests.  At first I was joking, but then the reality of this shitstorm set in and made it seem like a tactic that might happen.

[Padma]

30 minutes ago, Rapunzel said:

I'm just glad I live in a state where you can register to be a permanent mail in voter, which I am, so won't have to deal with any repercussions of him telling his "supporters" to "go watch other polling places after they are done voting " because, he implies, something unfair may occur, or something to that effect. This can come across like asking the KKK to go to polling places to prevent minorities from voting as well as women who aren't voting as their husbands tell them to from entering polling places. Trump is taking this Country back to the 50s/60s, and it is so wrong.  Thankfully, as I live in CA, Trump has next to no shot at winning this state anyway, and I think his people know it as he really hasn't spent much money here at all. Also, we have a good amount of electoral college votes (though I wish they would just go off the popular vote as the electoral college is way too dated), so that hopefully will help ensure he doesn't get anywhere near the Presidency.

When Trump loses (I say "when" as I really want to believe that the majority of this country will not elect a racist, misogynistic, piece of shit), he can go relocate to Russia and lick his wounds and claim how this whole campaign was rigged, since, no one on the planet is more qualified for the job than he is (according to only him - unless he believes we're all as stupid as he is). Since he and Putin are such good buddies (or at least were), they can continue to try to hack Hillary's e-mails and claim that the Country made such a horrible mistake by not putting Hillary in jail where she belongs, especially since, given all the other things she's done to offend "The Donald," she rigged the election (complete sarcasm here, by the way).

I'm sorry, but if I hadn't paid my taxes in 20 years, I know I'd be in jail, which is where Trump should be. I know he exploited a loophole or something, but as an attorney myself (though I'm definitely not a tax attorney and no expert there - I'm primarily international law, but work in some other areas as well and donate as much pro-bono time as I possibly can, even on personal time, which my employer, a well known Tech Company, is very supportive of), putting the tax issues aside, there are numerous other things he could be brought up on charges on and at least be investigated. This is another reason he should run to Russia when he loses, though if he missteps with Putin, and it seems he could be getting close, he could find things worse than jail waiting for him over there.

The amazing thing is that if the election looks "rigged" in any way, it's that it looks "rigged" for Trump. Back in summer Roger Stone mentioned the leak of Podesta email in fall. Stone has close ties to Russia, as did Manafort. Probably Trump's alt-right boys, too, as Russia has used support for far right parties to destabilize European democracies.  For all we know, Bannon and Bossie and Stone had this as their "October Surprise" all along.

Anyway, one thing I'll credit Trump for is if this wikileaks thing were reversed, he'd be hitting back at his RIVAL for encouraging a foreign government to try to interfere in our election. Seriously, it's outrageous to see the press taking the bait and reporting on the hacking of a PRIVATE CITIZEN'S email. Podesta's not a government official or even a party organization!

Trump even ASKED Russia to hack a private citizen (Hillary). Now he (and the press) are embracing the Russian government INTERFERRING in our democracy! How is that okay?

Meanwhile, Trump deflects from Putin and Assange trying to help him win--and accusing CLINTON/OBAMA of "rigging" it along with foreign bankers, Carlos Slim and the press.  Won't someone call him out on this? I would say he's a genius at manipulating the press, except they fall for his tricks (whether his tweets, his rallies, his fake "press conferences" or this--helping Russian intelligence sway OUR election on his behalf!!!) so easily!

Oh, as far as legal action against him when the election's over. I'd love it if they got him on tax fraud and :"Locked him up!"  But let's not forget, he has 3 fraud suits against him about the scam of the so-called "Trump University" and they're going forward in November. Also, although I haven't read about it, I believe that 13 year old girl's rape case is also going forward.

[hoosier80]

Ok, so if the Orange Oaf is hosting the show, it's great.  If they do a parody of him (and Hillary) in a debate skit, it's a horrible show and needs to be cancelled.  He's a 70 year old with a 2 year old mentality (terrible two's).  Waaaah, they're making fun of me.  

Can you imagine him dealing with foreign countries who's leaders do not kiss his ass 24/7?  

[DollEyes]

  The crazy never stops with Trump. Between his attacking SNL for daring to make fun of him without permission, his accusing Hillary Clinton & the Democrats for being behind the bombing of the North Carolina GOP campaign office without any proof, his implying that Hillary was on drugs during the second debate-also without proof-and his belief that the whole system is and the election will be rigged against him, Trump's not just "unshackled,"; he's unhinged. Trump sniffed through the first two debates like a cokehead and Hillary's on drugs? Please! As far as I'm concerned, Hillary should take a drug test when Trump takes a polygraph. As for Trump's telling his minions to become "poll watchers," ITA that it's just a scare tactic to intimidate minority voters, which I also think it's going to backfire. I'm no Pollyanna, but I believe that there are far too many good people in this country who are, as the kids say, "woke," who won't let Trump nor his Stormtroopers stop us from using our Constitutional rights. 

Thanks to the posters who've told your stories. While I've never been physically assaulted, I have endured catcalls which I ignored because because those assholes didn't deserve even a millisecond of my attention. However, seeing that tape and hearing those words brought back those memories for me. If the verbal abuse can affect me, then it must be even harder for those of you who have suffered much worse. Sharing your truths has helped others, including me. As for Trump's accusers, I believe them, partially-and ironically- because of Trump.  If Trump hadn't gloated about his crimes and getting away with them nor lied about respecting women in the second debate, his accusers probably wouldn't have come forward in the first place. I completely agree with those who said that the reason why the accusers didn't come forward sooner was fear. Trump's rich & powerful; they aren't, so they were afraid that no one would believe them, but as Bill Cosby's accusers prove, there's safety in numbers. Like with Cosby, Trump's own words could be his downfall. While neither Cosby nor Trump has been legally convicted, their taped admissions about violating women don't help, to put it mildly. Trump's claim that he couldn't have attacked one of the accusers because of her looks pissed me off. Sexual assault is about violence and power, not gender, age, race, income, politics, nor looks. That kind of superficial bullshit only makes accusers less likely to come forward-which is probably what Trump wants. About  Trump's "locker-room talk" defense, more bullshit. I know plenty of men who use locker rooms and while some of them may swear, talk about sex and/or tell dirty jokes,  as far as I know, none of them have ever used rape as a punchline. That lie offends decent people, women and men, alike. 

[backformore]

1 hour ago, random chance said:

That's what worries me, that this won't go away on November 9. That he'll continue to hold rallies and whip up his supporters. I watch him preen in front of them, and I have a sinking feeling that there is no way he's giving up this drug.

I think trump wants a core of zealots that support him and will listen to his rantings, and that is what this campaign has given him.   Once Hillary wins, he will start that TV network, give airtime to Alex Jones and a bunch of other wacky assholes, and let them spew their bullshit, while he makes money off advertisers. 

As someone who watched Celebrity Apprentice - Trump wants to be in charge.  On Apprentice he got to make all the decisions, he set up the game, changed the rules whenever he wanted, and chose the winner.    There was widespread thinking that before a season started, he had already decided how it was gong to play out.   (Joan Rivers, for example )   Even the Arsenio Hall/Clay Aiken finale was forecast by many as Trump's way of combatting talk that he hated Blacks and Gays.  The ego that Trump showed on his TV show was beyond belief.  He even asked celebrities, on air, during a competition, if he should run for president, and then pretended to be flattered at their "endorsement".  That TV show was the biggest ego-booster of all times, he had celebrities bowing and scraping and trying to please him, stroking his ego.  I think he fully expected these celebrities to be squarely in his corner when he announced his candidacy, and was hurt when the celebrity endorsements didn't come pouring in (except scott Baio)

  He wants a presidency where he makes all the decisions - total control is his drug.  Consider his speeches where he's going to fire Generals, execute people suspected of terrorism, imprison family members of terrorists, round up and jail gang members, put Hillary in jail.  He wants to RUN the country, be in charge of every aspect, just like on his TV show. 

  Since he can't have that, a TV network where he is in control, is the next best thing. 

[33kaitykaity]

16 minutes ago, Padma said:

Oh, as far as legal action against him when the election's over. I'd love it if they got him on tax fraud and :"Locked him up!"  But let's not forget, he has 3 fraud suits against him about the scam of the so-called "Trump University" and they're going forward in November. Also, although I haven't read about it, I believe that 13 year old girl's rape case is also going forward.

in addition, I really hope there's a way for him to be held accountable for breaking the US embargo in Cuba in 1998 that's within a statute of limitations.  Also, I think it would even be fun if we found out just how much in back taxes Trump will owe on the money he siphoned out of his foundation for personal items like bribery payments and oil portraits. 

[backformore]

Clay Aiken was on The View today with a segment.  He interviewed Trump supporters, trying to understand WHY they support him.  He did not let anyone go off topic and start talking about Hillary.  When asked to describe Trump in one word, most said "strong".   people talked about how Trump is going to bring back jobs and make things better.  They said they like his policies, but couldn't name any except not allowing illegal immigrants in.  (Mexicans and Muslims, basically) It was really more about the perception that he is strong, smart, confident, and says he can defeat ISIS.

Clay came away with the analogy - if I'm going into a haunted house and I'm scared, and you're not scared,  I will stick with you, and follow you, not because you know where you're going, but just because you're not scared. 

[Padma]

Here's Trump's latest email: (bolding added)

Friend,

The tidal wave has been coming for a while, and no one in Washington has been able to stop it.

The truly shocking part? They turn away and hide from the problem that’s contaminating our country, and refuse to acknowledge, let alone take the steps to fix it.

I’m talking about the politically correct, liberal, elitist ideals that are eroding this country. The corruption and backroom shady deals that we see from these professional politicians. The cover-ups over “lost” emails and horrible tragedies like Benghazi.

It’s time to take our country back Friend. It’s time to STOP this inside-the-beltway nonsense.

Will you join our movement to take our country back by contributing $35, $50, or $100 to our Final Election Push right now?

We need to win on Election Day if we want any chance to stop this tidal wave of corruption and job-killing liberal policies that have been plaguing our nation’s capital and destroying our country.

We can’t afford a Supreme Court packed with the liberal activist judges that Crooked Hillary will nominate. We can’t afford any more attacks on our Constitutional Rights. And we can’t afford to be so politically correct that it paralyzes our nation’s safety.

Now more than ever Friend I need you to join our team. Will you help take our country back once and for all by donating $35, $50, or $100 right now?

Friend, this election comes down to a simple question – do I stand by and watch my country continued to be destroyed, or do I take my country back?
 

YES! I AM TAKING MY COUNTRY BACK

Let’s take our country back together,

[HumblePi]

4 hours ago, NewDigs said:

I can't remember where but I recently saw a piece that made a case for Donald's I-wanna-be-prez lightbulb moment to have happened when Obama poked fun at him at one of those National Press Club things.

They showed a clip of Donald sitting fairly stone-faced at his table. He did look a bit perturbed and I could see his discomfort and now that we're more familiar with his hit-back-harder mentality it makes some sense.

I have always thought that it was at that exact moment that Donald Trumps narcissistic personality disorder kicked into high gear. You don't mock anyone with NPD and expect they will take it in good humor. They attack back. They get even. They settle the score. This is what I have always felt was the defining moment for Donald Trump's decision to beat any Democratic candidate no matter who and no matter by what means it takes to do it.

[random chance]

You could tell it almost killed him to have to say Obama was born in the U.S. 

[HumblePi]

2 hours ago, Darian said:

The gist of that article is that in 1995,  Trump claimed sole ownership of the Empire State Building. A reporter challenged him, and he later said he owned 80 percent, then 50. But as for the reporter:

Donald Trump's claim in 1995 of his sole ownership of the Empire State Building is a flat-out lie. I happen to have first hand knowledge that Harry Helmsley owned the property until his death in 1997. After Harry's death, his wife Leona Helmsley retained ownership in this famous NY property until 2002 when Peter L. Malkin and Anthony E. Malkin led the purchase of the land under the Empire State Building. *note, not the building itself, purchase was for the land under the building. Leona Helmsley died in August 2007 and in October 2007, the estate of Leona Helmsley sold its 63.75 percent interest in the Empire State Building, where it owned a majority interest in the iconic tower’s sublease, as well as a tiny interest in the partnership that owned the building’s “fee interest,” or the actual property.

Donald Trump may have had a substantial interest in the building's partnership but there's no way, no how that Donald Trump owned the Empire State Building in 1995.  He's a lying liar that lies, that's the simple truth. I know most of this stuff about Harry Helmsley because I was manager of an oxygen company at the time in Greenwich, Ct. and we had many notable patients, but Harry Helmsley was certainly one of our more well-known ones.

[MulletorHater]

On 10/15/2016 at 8:12 AM, Giant Misfit said:

 

ivanka and Jared have proven themselves to be disgraceful low lifes and I hope their business endeavors after this travesty of a campaign suffer the most. Shame on Jared, a devout Jew, who let his father- and brothers-in-law fan the flames of anti-semitism with their constant pandering to right-wing nutcase groups. As for Ivanka, an anecdote: I was in the Nordstrom shoe department a month ago and walked past a sales lady suggesting an Ivanka Trump shoe to a customer. The woman said, "I will never buy an Ivanka Trump shoe." I turned to the sales lady and said, "That makes two of us. And the store should stop carrying them." The sales lady nodded her head and said, "I've been hearing that a lot." 

The whole family is trash. 

Exactly.  Trash with money, and no amount of gold patina will cover that up.  Jared and Ivanka are just as trifling, stank and vile as the patriarch is.  Ivanka, just like daddy, doesn't like to answer what she considers tough questions about policy positions or that cause her to veer off message (whatever that is on any given day).  

I picked up one of Ivanka Trump's shoes in Bloomies last year because I was in desperate "need" of red pumps.  The moment I turned it over to see who the designer was, I put that shit right back as if my hand had been contaminated.  I vowed after the start of the "birther" nonsense that I would not patronize any Trump property nor do anything to put money in that family's pockets.  Fuck them.  That's why it pissed me off to no end that Macy's chose not to end its relationship with Trump until he made the comments about Mexicans.  Never mind their refusal to terminate the relationship after a petition was circulated years ago surrounding Trump's blatant racism.

When I look at that family, all I can think of is what I told someone a few years ago.  Just because you roll a turd in glitter and spritz it with perfume, it still can't cover up what's underneath:  a piece of shit.

[Bookish Jen]

On 10/13/2016 at 8:09 PM, peacheslatour said:

Yep, I watched live. I've never been so proud to be a woman and an American. Brilliant, truly.

She will go down in history as one of the best first ladies ever!

[atomationage]

34 minutes ago, Padma said:

the problem that’s contaminating our country

Someone should be looking to see if these are exact quotes from historical dictators, because that one sure sounds like it.

[Padma]

31 minutes ago, atomationage said:

Someone should be looking to see if these are exact quotes from historical dictators, because that one sure sounds like it.

It reminds me of that, too. Like the vermin imagery Nazi's used.  And every time he says "We'll be united. One people, one God. Under one flag"  I hear: "Ein volk. Ein reich.  Ein fuhrer."

[starri]

"America First" was the slogan for a pro-eugenics movement.  If that thought doesn't chill you to the bone...

[MulletorHater]

3 minutes ago, starri said:

"America First" was the slogan for a pro-eugenics movement.  If that thought doesn't chill you to the bone...

Rachel Maddow covered this topic in depth a few months ago.  At the time, she wasn't sure if Drumpf and his campaign were simply ignorant about the history of the "America First" slogan or if they knew exactly what they were doing. 

I go for a little of both, and I would bet dollars to donuts that other than the alt-right and neo-Nazis that Drumpf's supporters have no idea about the history behind this and jumped on this slogan because it sounded so patriotic.

[backformore]

1 hour ago, Padma said:

It’s time to take our country back Friend. It’s time to STOP this inside-the-beltway nonsense.

Will you join our movement to take our country back by contributing $35, $50, or $100 to our Final Election Push right now?
 

Interesting.  contrast with Hillary's emails: 

 

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[Darian]

I really don't work for Mother Jones, but this article is pertinent and you might find it as chilling as my friends and I have:  How Trump Took Hate Groups Mainstream

[starri]

I really like "Stronger Together" as a slogan.  It gives her perfect contrast with Trump.

Although the parodies "Make America Ferrera Great Again" and "Make America Great Britain Again," almost make up the for the icky connotations.

[33kaitykaity]

1 minute ago, MulletorHater said:

Rachel Maddow covered this topic in depth a few months ago.  At the time, she wasn't sure if Drumpf and his campaign were simply ignorant about the history of the "America First" slogan or if they knew exactly what they were doing. 

I go for a little of both, and I would bet dollars to donuts that other than the alt-right and neo-Nazis that Drumpf's supporters have no idea about the history behind this and jumped on this slogan because it sounded so patriotic.

Rachel did a great job defining Pepe as well, the green frog face TrumpJr retweeted as one of the faces of the Deplorables from Hillary comment fame.  

I was going to write more, but that Mother Jones article is really good.  

[madmaverick]

Two articles from a UK pov on how Trump could still win.  I agree, there's no room for complacency. Especially after this strange, unpredictable mess of a campaign so far.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37650994

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-win-election-brexit-right-wing-214359#ixzz4NIvKpRNp

I don't know enough about US politics at a state level to know anything about this guy.  But what chilling and irresponsible words imo, from a governor no less! Then again, I saw Sam B's segment on the Governor of Maine.  I had no idea that there were already such crazies in govt.  

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-gov-matt-bevin-says-bloodshed-might-be-165058821.html

I don't know who thought of the "Make America Great Again" slogan but I have to say that was a genius stroke from their campaign.  It encapsulates that nostalgia for the economic/racial past that is so very appealing to Trump's core demo.

[33kaitykaity]

This is the map I like to play, count delegates, whatever.  

http://www.270towin.com/

If Hillary wins Florida, it's over.  He could take NV, IA, OH, VA, and NC and still come up short.  If he wins FL and takes the others and she wins OH, they end up tied at 269 each.  

Edited October 17, 2016 by 33kaitykaity

[Kromm]

15 minutes ago, madmaverick said:

Two articles from a UK pov on how Trump could still win.  I agree, there's no room for complacency. Especially after this strange, unpredictable mess of a campaign so far.

It's as simple as this: the actual voting has to match the polls. People have to follow through, and because those are samples/estimates and not actual votes people can't believe even the best of them.

Vote as if the world depended on it. Because it does.

[backformore]

this is interesting:  

Looks like someone IS trying to "rig the election" by convincing Hillary supporters to just vote with a hashtag, and not bother going to the polls.

[Padma]

12 minutes ago, madmaverick said:

Two articles from a UK pov on how Trump could still win.  I agree, there's no room for complacency. Especially after this strange, unpredictable mess of a campaign so far.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37650994

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-win-election-brexit-right-wing-214359#ixzz4NIvKpRNp

I don't know enough about US politics at a state level to know anything about this guy.  But what chilling and irresponsible words imo, from a governor no less! Then again, I saw Sam B's segment on the Governor of Maine.  I had no idea that there were already such crazies in govt.  

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-gov-matt-bevin-says-bloodshed-might-be-165058821.html

I don't know who thought of the "Make America Great Again" slogan but I have to say that was a genius stroke from their campaign.  It encapsulates that nostalgia for the economic/racial past that is so very appealing to Trump's core demo.

Reagan used "Make America Great Again" several times, though Trump's trademarked it and continues to say he thought it up. It's in the close of Reagan's 1980 Labor Day speech, among others.  Pretty good call though. (And I like Stronger Together, but no one repeats their slogan, seeering it into the brain, like Trump does.  What did any other Republicans have as a slogan? "Jeb!"?  After all those months, I never knew one, even after they saw what Trump was doing they never copied it. So dumb.

And he may not know "America First' as it emerged for the far right in the 1930s but he knows it from 2000 and his near-decision to run as a Reform Party candidate. He decided against it because other Reform Party leaders--Pat Buchanan and David Duke-- were "too far right" for him.  Buchanan's slogan then was "America First".  (Also absurd was Trump saying "I don't know who David Duke is."  The earliest speech he gave as a possible presidential candidate was in 1988 in New Hampshire. The head of his Plaza casino was appalled at the time by the thought he might actually be serious. (His book, "Trumped" is a great read for anyone who wants to know what insiders thought of Trump before he slapped strict NDAs on everyone.)

[MulletorHater]

And, now death threats because some folks in Arizona are all butt hurt because the The Arizona Republic endorsed Secretary Clinton instead of the Tangerine One.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/2016/10/16/publisher-response-to-threats-after-republic-endorsement-clinton-trump/92058964/?hootPostID=8f31bb0d203db8605fdf1dff54f00ac2

[ebk57]

I find it sad and somewhat ironic that the Drumpf-ers are yelling about election terrorism in relation to the NC headquarters incident, and yet that's exactly what they are promoting with the whole "poll watcher" bullshit.  I keep asking Mr ebk if I should take election day off, and after I vote, drive to Philly and watch the watchers.  

I know that's a bad idea, but I keep thinking we should do it.

[Padma]

By the way, on CNN last week Erin Burnett talked about how Trump had manhandled and kissed a friend of hers who had told her about it  way before this all erupted.  For some reason, that's getting no traction even though it makes Trump a liar (surprise!) I guess the friend isn't willing to go public, but it's still another example that all he's been accused of -- and admitted to-- is true.

[madmaverick]

3 minutes ago, backformore said:

this is interesting:  

Looks like someone IS trying to "rig the election" by convincing Hillary supporters to just vote with a hashtag, and not bother going to the polls.

If people really believe that, then sorry, they really are stupid.  A U.S. presidential election isn't twitter voting for a People's Choice Award- plenty of rigged voting there I'll bet ;)- though the Prez does win the ultimate People's Choice Award, I guess.

But so many people will simply believe something is true just because they see it on the internet, without verifying anything, without seeking truly reputable sources. I despair sometimes.

[atomationage]

As the President said over and over again,  "Don't Boo, Vote!"  I don't want to believe that Drumpf has a chance of winning, but the American voters are very lackadaisical about voting:

Percentages of registered voters who voted in the past 11 Presidential elections:

1972 - 55%
1976 - 53.6%
1980 - 52.6%
1984 - 53.3%
1988 - 50.2%
1992 - 55.2%
1996 - 49%
2000 - 51.2%
2004 - 56.7%
2008 - 58.2%
2012 - 54.8%
2016 who knows?

Edited October 17, 2016 by atomationage
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[starri]

I honestly wish we had no-reason early voting.  I live in New York, which is clearly going for Hillary, but I'd prefer to vote early and spend the day helping people get to the polls.  I did that in 2008, but I lived in Virginia where it was a lot more important.

But I want as many people to participate as possible.

[PatsyandEddie]

49 minutes ago, starri said:

"America First" was the slogan for a pro-eugenics movement.  If that thought doesn't chill you to the bone...

Fred Trump totally believed in eugenics. Funny, so did Hitler.

[starri]

1 minute ago, atomationage said:

2016 who knows?

I'm betting it's going to be low.  That's why the GOTV efforts are so critical.

[madmaverick]

Australia has compulsory voting.  I wonder how that would affect outcomes if that were the case in the U.S.  Would you have more informed voters or just about the same mix of informed and ill-informed? 

[Kromm]

12 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

And, now death threats because some folks in Arizona are all butt hurt because the The Arizona Republic endorsed Secretary Clinton instead of the Tangerine One.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/2016/10/16/publisher-response-to-threats-after-republic-endorsement-clinton-trump/92058964/?hootPostID=8f31bb0d203db8605fdf1dff54f00ac2

What the Publisher of The Arizona Republic wrote is actually quite powerful, and I think everyone NEEDS to read it. To see how sane moral people with different political beliefs respond to things versus insane and immoral people.  I dare Trump supporters to read it too.

More on that in this post:

Edited October 17, 2016 by Kromm