S04.E05: Honeymoons, Part 2

[Waterlilly]

No wait!  One more. I just watched the honeymoon 1 & 2. Heather mentions feeling safe with Derek a lot in the beginning so I think that is really important to her. Something happened on the first evening or second morning of the honeymoon (don't know what).  I did see her trying at times. Derek can be a whiny bitch.  I think this is a little deeper or needy than smoking or it is a bundle.  He does say shit without thinking and talks over her and they both pout.  Oh and the second day of the honeymoon was the fifth day of the marriage.

[Enero]

28 minutes ago, crazychicken said:

Ok is anybody else sick of the over the top PDA of Tom & Lilly. I feel like fast forwarding through them as the remind me of a set of 13 year olds in their first relationship that is true love that is going to last 4eva.

I agree. In the beginning it was sweet. Now it's just sickening. They're not in love so why the constant kissing because of the undeniable "chemistry" between them? As someone said, can't recall if it was on this thread or another, they are bordering on fakeness. It's gotten to the point where it appears obvious that they're putting on for the camera. 

 

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No wait!  One more. I just watched the honeymoon 1 & 2. Heather mentions feeling safe with Derek a lot in the beginning so I think that is really important to her. Something happened on the first evening or second morning of the honeymoon (don't know what).  I did see her trying at times. Derek can be a whiny bitch.  I think this is a little deeper or needy than smoking or it is a bundle.  He does say shit without thinking and talks over her and they both pout.  Oh and the second day of the honeymoon was the fifth day of the marriage.

Interesting. Also, I've said before and I'll say again, I think Derek might have the tendency to skirt the truth. During the casting episode he was asked about one nightstands. He denied having them but the way he responded was a little suspect. Also, he told Heather he DIDN'T smoke when they were talking after the wedding. Now here he is smoking like a chimney. Perhaps he meant he doesn't smoke cigars and the editing might've also made him come off a little shady with his answer about one night stands. I don't know though, I just think there's more there than we're seeing. 

Also, wasn't he the only groom to visit a strip club for his bachelor party? People say Tom seems sleezy, I kind of get the sleeze vibe from Derek. 

Edited August 29, 2016 by Enero
Edited to add comment about Derek

[Jack Sampson]

2 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

I think at this point whatever he did pissed her off so much it's a major effort for her not to walk out and end it right now. 

Derek didn't walk out either so they're even in that "effort".  It remains that Derek was the only one making an effort and changing things to try to suit her.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Jack Sampson

[Waterlilly]

I can't watch Tom and Lilly kissing all the time. But, if they aren't doing that they are having the most senseless conversations.  I feel sorry for sweet Lilly, Tom is a dick.

[ctbabe]

19 minutes ago, Enero said:

Also, wasn't he the only groom to visit a strip club for his bachelor party?

He didn't visit the strip club. Strippers were brought to him by his friends.. I am not getting the sleezy vibe from Derek. If he was sleezy, wouldn't we be getting anonymous tips by now. Remember David.

I actually think he is the most authentic participant on this show. Davina is a close second. 

Edited August 29, 2016 by ctbabe
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[Waterlilly]

I feel so sorry for those poor horses:(

[Kiss my mutt]

Most of what I take away from Tom and Lily is they like to bone. 

[nlkm9]

6 hours ago, Jack Sampson said:

Didn't he quit smoking for the rest of the honeymoon?  That's a pretty major change.

yeah and he became completely stressed and whiny because of it--it was so not worth it for him to stop, he really jumped on her during the cave incident. he needs his weed:)

[nlkm9]

3 hours ago, Jellybeans said:

What was illegal?  Pot?  It is not illegal.

its illegal in florida. isnt that where they both live?

[Jack Sampson]

43 minutes ago, nlkm9 said:

yeah and he became completely stressed and whiny because of it--it was so not worth it for him to stop, he really jumped on her during the cave incident. he needs his weed:)

Hate to see how bad she'd be if she stopped drinking for a few days.

[BunnySlippers]

2 hours ago, crazychicken said:

Ok is anybody else sick of the over the top PDA of Tom & Lilly. I feel like fast forwarding through them as the remind me of a set of 13 year olds in their first relationship that is true love that is going to last 4eva.

*raises hand* Yep, same here.

[Evil Queen]

1 hour ago, ctbabe said:

He didn't visit the strip club. Strippers were brought to him by his friends.. I am not getting the sleezy vibe from Derek. If he was sleezy, wouldn't we be getting anonymous tips by now. Remember David.

I actually think he is the most authentic participant on this show. Davina is a close second. 

Davina was as fake as the rest from that season. Derek is far from being authentic. I don't get where David was sleazy at all? He put up with Ashley of all things. Which if you will remember right all the "experts" kept doing was telling him to push and do this or that to get her to open up. Never telling her a thing about being more open and being even friends with the poor guy. He was far from sleazy though. Now Tres was totally sleazy. Tom is kind of coming off on the sleazy side too more and more. LOL Which BTW, even if any of them are sleazy it doesn't mean we would be hearing anything. I think with Tres it was obvious because of things he said in the beginning about how he was recruited for the show and that he wasn't looking for marriage. Then how there was mention of him "dropping hundreds of dollars" in a night and so on. 

[ctbabe]

32 minutes ago, Evil Queen said:

Davina was as fake as the rest from that season. Derek is far from being authentic. I don't get where David was sleazy at all? He put up with Ashley of all things. Which if you will remember right all the "experts" kept doing was telling him to push and do this or that to get her to open up. Never telling her a thing about being more open and being even friends with the poor guy. He was far from sleazy though. Now Tres was totally sleazy. Tom is kind of coming off on the sleazy side too more and more. LOL Which BTW, even if any of them are sleazy it doesn't mean we would be hearing anything. I think with Tres it was obvious because of things he said in the beginning about how he was recruited for the show and that he wasn't looking for marriage. Then how there was mention of him "dropping hundreds of dollars" in a night and so on. 

The remember David was referring to anonymous info, not the sleazy comment. Remember how info was being released every week. 

[Snarklepuss]

2 hours ago, Waterlilly said:

I can't watch Tom and Lilly kissing all the time. But, if they aren't doing that they are having the most senseless conversations.  I feel sorry for sweet Lilly, Tom is a dick.

This point got totally lost in a post that somehow was all spliced together, but I think it's worth highlighting again - When Tom's all over Lily I can't help but feel a strange almost porno vibe with him, like Lily is the epitome of his fantasy type and he's got this quasi-fetish-like reaction to being with her.  Which makes me want to vomit, seriously.  I feel like Lily's being used in some sense of the word and it is bothering me a lot because she just married the guy and it shouldn't be like that, IMHO.

[Lily247]

On 8/27/2016 at 0:58 AM, Snarklepuss said:

My agreeing with Heather that Derek was "low class" didn't mean I thought SHE had any class, just that I agreed with her comment about him.  I don't care if his comment came from a "place of hurt".  He still doesn't get a pass from me for insulting all of womankind because of it.  I could never defend a guy under any circumstances for doing that.  "He didn't really mean it" doesn't fly for me.  He DID mean it.   It revealed an attitude in him towards women I would never condone in any man for any reason even if he was "hurt".  I would never insult all men just because one man rejected me.  To me that shows him to be damaged goods.

I also wouldn't pass a written in stone judgement on a person based on a few words that came out of their mouth.... actions speak louder in my book. 

[Lily247]

10 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

I have kids in school. I had to start homeschooling my daughter almost 2 yrs ago. We do it through a public homeschool program. I will say there are things taught with grammar in the language arts book. Our workbook we have has different sections in it. One includes grammar. The thing is our book is not the same as what you would get in most elementary schools. I found it kind of an odd one when we switched to this. Took a little getting used to. She was being taught grammar in school but it I think what we have now does it more than what she had when going to the school. Yet I notice that once SM became more popular it seemed that part of things started going downhill and fast. I know I see it in articles too with top newspapers and just do not understand how it gets published that way. 

 

The thing that I have noticed is that in English you can speak with totally messed up grammar and still understand the other person perfectly. That is why many say that English is one of the easiest languages to learn but one of the hardest to master (for foreigners). 

"You want eat?"

"I take bus yesterday to embassy" 

In my first language, you would have to be an idiot to make grammar mistakes, because the grammar is stupidly easy. I think it's just that the English language has sooooo many nuances and rule exceptions that people are like, screw it, im sayin what rolls off the tongue better. Plus, "Tom and I" does have a formal feel to it as opposed to "me and Tom" even though it is the only correct version. In my head I probably think "me and ...."

[Snarklepuss]

13 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Or she didn't expect it to be as much as it was if she really did say it was ok. No matter which he was smoking. Couldn't it be that she was thinking it was only going to happen this one time and next thing she knows he wakes up the next morning to do it. So its becomes a let me not rush to judgement and see if this keeps happening. Then it does again and again in the day and the next morning starts the same. No matter what we all can come up with ways it could have played out or not but we have no clue in the end since it wasn't on the show for whatever reason. All we got was the lame fight and the lame after fight fight. Like I said there is to much missing in those whole thing to know if it was because of this even or if it was something else. Heck maybe its his ugly tattoos or his voice. LOL

I missed this post yesterday - This is what I thought and posted originally.  It's like the old saying "you give someone a finger and they'll take the whole hand".  They say "do you mind if I?" and you say "sure" thinking it's only going to be a few times, then suddenly there's one more time, and one more time and you're reserving saying anything because you don't want to seem to be jumping to conclusions after only a few times and you're trying to give the person the benefit of the doubt, so you wait to see if it happens again.  And meanwhile after the next time you're thinking to yourself, "Aww geez, there he goes again, should I say anything?  Ugh, I don't know".  And so you wait again.....And then it happens AGAIN, until suddenly you realize this guy has gone WAY over the line into regular user territory under anyone's definition of the term.  You don't know what he does on a regular basis, you just met him, so you think that this is what he must do on a regular basis, and you get mad because you specifically asked for "occasionally", plus your response could have been about a different kind of substance altogether.  So then when you confront him about it, which comes out angry after holding it inside for a time, he doesn't receive it well and starts bashing you and acting defensively and things just disintegrate from there.....

Anyway, that's my estimation of how things went down between Heather and Derek.  So I don't think she was being passive aggressive in the sense that some have read it.  I think that she gave him permission and did just that - permission to do it "occasionally" and when it went into that fuzzy gray zone between her definition of "occasional" and "regularly" she let it go on because she didn't want to appear to be jumping to conclusions and she figured that if he just stopped after any one time in the gray zone she would have been fine with it.  It's when he went way over the line that she came down on him.  There's always that straw that breaks the camel's back.  And I can't really blame her for that.  Then when he said he was doing it more because he was on vacation it didn't help because I don't think she believed him.  Again, I agree that there was probably a lot more that happened that we did not see that would make her reaction make more sense.  I think the argument probably escalated to include other issues that the show didn't want to put on the air.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Snarklepuss

[Vinyasa]

I watched this episode again and there is something a bit "spacey" about Sonia.

In her talking heads, I just want to scream "say it already, we don't have all day here" at her.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Vinyasa

[qtpye]

9 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

This point got totally lost in a post that somehow was all spliced together, but I think it's worth highlighting again - When Tom's all over Lily I can't help but feel a strange almost porno vibe with him, like Lily is the epitome of his fantasy type and he's got this quasi-fetish-like reaction to being with her.  Which makes me want to vomit, seriously.  I feel like Lily's being used in some sense of the word and it is bothering me a lot because she just married the guy and it shouldn't be like that, IMHO.

I think part of the problem is that Lily seems so much younger then him.  I know they are not that far apart age wise, but it feels like he is using her and she does no quite understand what is going on.

I think the most authentic couple on the show was Jason and Courtney from season 1. That does not mean I like them, but they seemed like a good match.  Jason really wanted to get to know Courtney and you could tell there was a real connection.  With Tom, it feels like he does not really care about Lily's feelings, but just wants to have sex and make sure she agrees with everything he says.  I also never felt grossed out by any of Jason and Courtney's pda (I hardly remember any) because it seemed organic.

I could be wrong, its probably still too early to tell, they might work out.

[BunnySlippers]

56 minutes ago, qtpye said:

I think part of the problem is that Lily seems so much younger then him.  I know they are not that far apart age wise, but it feels like he is using her and she does no quite understand what is going on.

I think the most authentic couple on the show was Jason and Courtney from season 1. That does not mean I like them, but they seemed like a good match.  Jason really wanted to get to know Courtney and you could tell there was a real connection.  With Tom, it feels like he does not really care about Lily's feelings, but just wants to have sex and make sure she agrees with everything he says.  I also never felt grossed out by any of Jason and Courtney's pda (I hardly remember any) because it seemed organic.

I could be wrong, its probably still too early to tell, they might work out.

This is how I feel, too. This is why I said in one of the earlier threads that I was afraid that, because she's so young, she'll be easily manipulated by Tom. At that time I thought he was much older, because he looks and talks like a forty year old man. But even with his 28 years, it still feels like that.

[Jellybeans]

12 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

its illegal in florida. isnt that where they both live?

Not where they honeymooned.

[jenrising]

51 minutes ago, Jellybeans said:

Not where they honeymooned.

It is illegal in Puerto Rico. 

[humbleopinion]

To put it in real estate terms...

Tom has curb appeal. Lily thinks he is handsome. Even a toad looks good in a fitted tux.

Tom looks structurally sound, no major renovations needed. If you surfed everyday instead of working, you'd look fit. With all that salt water spraying his face, he does look older than his age, 28. Maybe it is genetic, looking 40 in your latter 20's.

Lily is convinced the "experts" have found her one-of-a-kind find. The pool of dude candidates was shallow,very shallow.

To her delight, she married beach front property! Hold on to those champagne dreams and caviar wishes a bit longer Lily, you'll need them when you smell the bus.

Second day of the honeymoon Lily demurs that he proved more than move in ready, if you get my drift.

One more...

Lily married Tom as is, what she sees or doesn't see is what she is has with no guarantees or warranties. Fingers crossed, Lily.

Edited August 30, 2016 by humbleopinion
more nonsense

[Evil Queen]

11 hours ago, ctbabe said:

Exactly... I am saying we havnt seen any this season. 

Yes but it doesn't mean anything really. Last season it happened because Ashley's crew were trying to find anyway they could to put things out there to try to spin it for her to look....oh I can't even think of a word because good, decent, better just don't work with her no matter what. But it was always the same crap over and over and over again from them. It was never something different. I think this season we also have a group of people that if something was said out there, that they could handle it and speak up...unlike Ashley. Maybe the show put a little something extra in contracts after last season on spoiling the show in anyway or trashing each other from themselves or friends/family. Who knows...maybe its just none of them had a reason to behave like that batch did...even if they didn't work out.

1 hour ago, Jellybeans said:

Not where they honeymooned.

9 minutes ago, jenrising said:

It is illegal in Puerto Rico. 

Medical was made legal last year I think it was BUT otherwise it is illegal for recreational. I seriously doubt Derek had the time to go to a doctor and get a card to buy it legally or would have crossed his mine. I don't doubt he just found someone to get it from there. I don't think he would be dumb enough to risk traveling with it. 

Edited August 29, 2016 by Evil Queen

[Jellybeans]

Guess I got my info from the wrong site.  I don't think they care but I would not chance it.  I still do not think it is pot but that is my opinion.  Thanks!

[Aethera]

Hey all, let's not get into an extended discussion of last season and whether any posters back then might have had personal relationships to the cast.

[Evil Queen]

1 hour ago, humbleopinion said:

To put it in real estate terms...

Tom has curb appeal. Lily thinks he is handsome. Even a toad looks good in a fitted tux.

Tom looks structurally sound, no major renovations needed. If you surfed everyday instead of working, you'd look fit. With all that salt water spraying his face, he does look older than his age, 28. Maybe it is genetic, looking 40 in your latter 20's.

Lily is convinced the "experts" have found her one-of-a-kind find. The pool of dude candidates was shallow,very shallow.

To her delight, she married beach front property! Hold on to those champagne dreams and caviar wishes a bit longer Lily, you'll need them when you smell the bus.

Second day of the honeymoon Lily demurs that he proved more than move in ready, if you get my drift.

I'll stop now...

LMAO Well done. The age thing...he looks old thanks to all that time in the sun for sure. See plenty around here like that as well. Ages a person so much. While I would get certain school mates that would say things about my pale skin in jr high and high school but yet those that would make comments are the ones that looked old already from baking in the sun. I can't imagine what they look like all these years later if they kept that habit up. 

[Passthepopcorn]

19 hours ago, humbleopinion said:

How's the weather?

Are there gathering storm clouds for Lily and Tom?

Will it be raining cats and DOGS for Sonia and Nick?

Hazy days for Derek and Heather?

Storm clouds for Lily and Tom? They are very passionate at the moment, very attracted to each other. They are newlyweds and have decided to act physically, which to me it is too soon, but it's not creepy. Creepy is to have to witness all that honey as an audience. We got it. They also have a lot of fun. I think she'll be a bit shocked by the bus, but could be ok with it (she seems adventurous). What I doubt is for how long she'll be ok with it. She is ambitious, no doubt. She is very proud of all she has accomplished. Living in the bus for years might get old for her...  I don't see it.

Sonia and Nick's dogs? Lol! That's going to be interesting next time.

The other two: say no more. I need a break.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Passthepopcorn

[Lola16]

Does matching a career-oriented goal-driven woman with an aimless happy-go-lucky take-it-as-it-comes man ever work? While opposites may attract and some times work in the long run, is this a recipe for success when pairing strangers?

[Passthepopcorn]

2 minutes ago, Lola16 said:

Does matching a career-oriented goal-driven woman with an aimless happy-go-lucky take-it-as-it-comes man ever work? While opposites may attract and some times work in the long run, is this a recipe for success when pairing strangers?

While the adventure lasts. Real life hmmm doubt it. She'll be frustrated and he will feel he is not enough.

Unless they balance each other. You never know...

Edited August 29, 2016 by Passthepopcorn

[Passthepopcorn]

7 hours ago, qtpye said:

I think part of the problem is that Lily seems so much younger then him.  I know they are not that far apart age wise, but it feels like he is using her and she does no quite understand what is going on.

I know they are acting like teenagers, but she is not an innocent little girl new to the world. I think she is very much into whatever they are doing. And she looks like the kind of woman who would stop him in his tracks right away if he did something she is not ok with. She seems delighted. Even though we are all grossed out lol.

7 hours ago, qtpye said:

 

[Vinyasa]

How old is Sonia?

[humbleopinion]

Ms. Sonia is 33 years old.

[ctbabe]

8 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:

Ms. Sonia is 33 years old.

Currently 34yrs old. 

[Evil Queen]

1 hour ago, Passthepopcorn said:

Storm clouds for Lily and Tom? They are very passionate at the moment, very attracted to each other. They are newlyweds and have decided to act physically, which to me it is too soon, but it's not creepy. Creepy is to have to witness all that honey as an audience. We got it. They also have a lot of fun. I think she'll be a bit shocked by the bus, but could be ok with it (she seems adventurous). What I doubt is for how long she'll be ok with it. She is ambitious, no doubt. She is very proud of all she has accomplished. Living in the bus for years might get old for her...  I don't see it.

I don't think being adventurous though equals being ok with bus living at all. It could mean she enjoys trips that have some adventure to them. Besides I don't think living in a bus is really adventurous at all really. I can't imagine she would be thrilled living like that. Maybe for us going on an adventurous trip or weekends by the beach but I can't see her doing more than that. The way I take how she is, is she is very career driven. She makes sure she has a nice enough care for driving clients around in, her clothes are probably nice looking for it as well, and I can see her wanting to live in a decent location and place (condo/townhome/house). Which there is nothing wrong with either. Just like if he likes bus life that is fine too. All these things are not for everyone. I just would like to see a bit of change in his attitude about bus life from what he was saying in the beginning. That if he is really falling for Lily that if she wasn't into the bus living that he would work with her on that part of their lives and come to some agreement on a place and location.

[Kareem]

13 hours ago, Passthepopcorn said:

While the adventure lasts. Real life hmmm doubt it. She'll be frustrated and he will feel he is not enough.

...

Or that he's right and she's wrong.   He's tried that lecture once already.  

[Snarklepuss]

I smell trouble in paradise for Tom and Lily eventually because even if he compromises on the bus he won't like it that she didn't just do everything he wanted without any question or push back.  He strikes me as the kind of douche that doesn't like to make compromises.  Although the trouble may not happen for a while yet because they are so much in lust with each other that they likely won't come out of that haze for quite some time.  It could even take years, but when they do, I predict sparks.

[LennieBriscoe]

This is the second bus sprung on a new bride in Reality TV Land, the other's being on "Arranged." It is like living in a hotel room but with two people's entire wardrobes and belongings! No real kitchen. And zero privacy!

And HELLO, BATHROOM?!  I cannot even imagine this! Lily will need space (counter and drawer) for her make-up, toiletries, and hair-care items; for hanging hand-washed undies; for "monthly supplies"; etc.

Also, Lily has a real job; she cannot just daily roll out of a lousy bus-bed, don a bathing suit, and go surfing! That bus is going to kill this romance as sure as I'm typing the words.

So far the women have been confronted thusly:

Love me, love my bus.    Love me, love my dogs.   Love me, love my smoking of whatever it is.

I'd drink, too!

Edited August 30, 2016 by LennieBriscoe

[Vinyasa]

I'm now wondering if Tom didn't live in the bus, would he have been picked for this season???

All the other couples (except Monet/Vaug) moved into new places.

Why are the producers and Tom expecting that they have to move into this crazy bus?  He lives in a bus, we get it. Move on!

[BunnySlippers]

I think they will probably move into an apartment or condo or rented house for the 6 weeks, but the issue is, what will happen afterwards? Will Tom expect Lilly to move in with him into that crappy bus once the 6 weeks are up?

[Vinyasa]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Guess I didn't think past the six weeks!!!

[Snarklepuss]

Oh no, I can just see it now - several weeks of Tom trying to convince Lily to move into the bus with him and her not loving the idea and trying to get him to compromise until a cliff hanger ending at decision day, "Will she/he or won't she/he?".  Oh, the suspense is killing me!!!!!...............NOT.

I think by the time it's all over I won't care whether they ride off a cliff in the bus together!!!

[jamblastx]

17 minutes ago, Snarklepuss said:

Oh no, I can just see it now - several weeks of Tom trying to convince Lily to move into the bus with him and her not loving the idea and trying to get him to compromise until a cliff hanger ending at decision day, "Will she/he or won't she/he?".  Oh, the suspense is killing me!!!!!...............NOT.

I think by the time it's all over I won't care whether they ride off a cliff in the bus together!!!

Thom-la and Lil-ese

[holly4755]

hey, his bus is not an old volkswagon, it looks pretty large, and i lived in a smaller travel trailer in the summer, (I miss it so) it can be done,  although I admit to converting an upper bunk into a giant storage area for clothes et all. I had 3 hanging closets. for rain coats and house coats. The fact that I could not run around nude was a pain, but it does not look like people can see in his windows and I was lucky enough to be connected to a sewer and regular water and power, so I did not have to pump or empty toilets manually.  My neighbors lived in a mobile home not much bigger than my small trailer and they lived there year round. each of ours looked smaller than the bus.  It can be done.  But I am not sure if he is looking for a post nup that he is thinking past the 6 weeks. 

[Evil Queen]

40 minutes ago, holly4755 said:

hey, his bus is not an old volkswagon, it looks pretty large, and i lived in a smaller travel trailer in the summer, (I miss it so) it can be done,  although I admit to converting an upper bunk into a giant storage area for clothes et all. I had 3 hanging closets. for rain coats and house coats. The fact that I could not run around nude was a pain, but it does not look like people can see in his windows and I was lucky enough to be connected to a sewer and regular water and power, so I did not have to pump or empty toilets manually.  My neighbors lived in a mobile home not much bigger than my small trailer and they lived there year round. each of ours looked smaller than the bus.  It can be done.  But I am not sure if he is looking for a post nup that he is thinking past the 6 weeks. 

I think when the volkswagon was mentioned it was that there was cars around the bus and it was looking like he had the bus parked in a parking lot. LOL IMO I get people don't mind living in small spaces but at the same time its not for everyone. Just as a mansion, regular sized home, apartment or condo isn't for all either. I won't ever live in a condo myself. Its to much like apartment living and the same goes for townhome. I have been doing it long enough in my life that I rather not have my walls up against like that ever again. Especially if I own it. Now mobile homes here vary in sizes but while cheaper than condos, townhomes and houses, they are just as nice actually inside and out. Most look like a regular run of the mill house. Which anything can be lived in year round or used as a vacation home or what not though. Mobile homes here are lived in year round though and in most places. While I know my husband had an Aunt that had a trailer up in Central Cali by the beach and was used for just as a vacation place. I never went before she sold it so I have no clue how big or small it was but I take it that it was on the smaller size. Yet in the end I think if you are someone getting married living in a bus or something similar you either better find a spouse that likes it from the get go and is into living that way too or be ready to bend a little as well on living situation. I think if they could come to terms on living somewhere but keep the bus around to us for weekend living by the beach or going places it would be great. Yet we shall see how this goes. Tom has made his comments on not bending on the bus so many times its hard to tell if he would bend or not with it. 

Speaking of which why are these people sleeping in the places like the bus (that looks to have no curtains/blinds) or where there are dogs when one is scared of them? (Yes I know drama is why LOL)

[KateHearts]

On 8/29/2016 at 8:37 AM, qtpye said:

it seemed organic.

what do you mean by that?

[Nowhere]

Honestly, I don't think the issue is what he lives in per se. If he's so hooked on it that he won't compromise and maybe try to meet in the middle, then Married at first sight is not for him. Married in general may not be for him. He's unwilling to bend.

[LennieBriscoe]

I just watched the Tom and Lily in the ocean with horses part. It seemed to me he was speaking to the horse when he made the "Mama" remark.

One other observation in general: None of the women is a skinny-Minnie. They look real!

Edited August 31, 2016 by LennieBriscoe

[holly4755]

about the dogs, I could see choosing the dog s over someone I have known a short time. I think I posted here about my dogs. People tell me how much they fear dogs, so when they stay over here, I try to keep the dog in my room with me most of the time, still after a short time, they are all in love with the dog and pretty much ignore me.  I think some people have just not spent time with well behaved dogs.Years ago and dogs ago I had new neighbors where the husband had been attacked by dogs and had the scared to prove it, when he first saw me walking towards him with my dog off the leash, he was terrorized, grabbed his kids and put them behind him.  within a week he would call my dog into his yard to play with him, she was the calmest most obedient dog I ever owned.  If the dogs behave themselves and have calm moments, I think that Sonia could adapt even though she thinks she can not. 

[Evil Queen]

20 minutes ago, holly4755 said:

about the dogs, I could see choosing the dog s over someone I have known a short time. I think I posted here about my dogs. People tell me how much they fear dogs, so when they stay over here, I try to keep the dog in my room with me most of the time, still after a short time, they are all in love with the dog and pretty much ignore me.  I think some people have just not spent time with well behaved dogs.Years ago and dogs ago I had new neighbors where the husband had been attacked by dogs and had the scared to prove it, when he first saw me walking towards him with my dog off the leash, he was terrorized, grabbed his kids and put them behind him.  within a week he would call my dog into his yard to play with him, she was the calmest most obedient dog I ever owned.  If the dogs behave themselves and have calm moments, I think that Sonia could adapt even though she thinks she can not. 

I think it depends on what happened to make her fear dogs. Not everyone can adapt to them after having something happen to cause this fear. Like I said I have been bit by a family dog in the past and had to go to the er for it. So for me no matter what I am leery when it comes to certain breeds of dogs or if I am just getting a certain vibe about them and/or the owner. Otherwise for the most part I am fine with most dogs. My younger son when he was a toddler had a dog that was just to hyper jump on him so it freaked him out for years to be around dogs. With something like that though it was easy to get over that fear once he realized not all dogs do that or mean it as trying to harm you. I will say that as well as in the situation you mentioned with the neighbor. My SIL's kid when she was little was being watched by someone else and some dog came barking at them. So from what I had heard the lady picked up SIL's kid fast thinking the dog was going to attack. No idea if that was the case or not but because of that the girl was afraid of dogs for the longest time. I am not sure if she is or not still since she isn't around them. Yet she was also afraid of cats and bugs and anything else you could think of. Which for the most part was my SIL's fault with how she treated it all. Instead of helping get over the fear she would make it worse but getting paranoid if a dog or whatever was in sight going their walk so her kid would freak out and go into an over the top screaming fit. While I think its fine to be cautious when you don't know the owners and pets, its another when its like that or pushing the kids behind in fear yourself. It makes the kids fearful more or become fearful. So great that your neighbor was able to be ok with your dog so his kids don't end up that way. But I can understand for some if it was something really bad they may never get over it.