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Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

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Zella

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2 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Jill's the tallest of the Duggar daughters. I think she's 5'7", so not short by any means, but probably on the taller end of average. She's not as tall as Deanna, Dan's wife.

Yeah the average US woman is 5'4". Just for me personally as someone who is 5'4", when women are about 5'7" I consider that on the tall side. 

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Wait, she needed a friend to tell her taking kids outside to play is something she could do to tire the kids out? Seriously?

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If my parents supported the person who sexually molested me as a child AND also profited from a show that portrayed them as God fearing, loving, better than everyone else parents AND then shunned ME? 

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I'm amazed somebody hasn't shut down the whole "Pistol Pete" thing.  The mascot was named for a murderer.  In retaliation, for guys that killed his dad, but still. 

Gun violence is at an all-time high in this country, and making it glamorous and fun for college students is unconscionable.  

Not everybody is so charmed: 

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/2021/08/24/pistol-pete-osu-mascot-colllege-ranked-worst-creepy-offensive-oklahoma-state-cowboys/5579121001/

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Scarlett45

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4 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Jill's the tallest of the Duggar daughters. I think she's 5'7", so not short by any means, but probably on the taller end of average. She's not as tall as Deanna, Dan's wife.

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

Derick according the internet is 6'2"  

2 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I want to say he's 6'3". Could be 6'2", but no shorter than that. His brother Dan is even taller, and his wife Deena is around 5'10". They are a tall people. 😀

Oh okay thanks, he is a bit taller than I thought, as is Jill. A good way to judge how tall people are is next to appliances, because those are usually standard heights in North America and dont really change.

2 hours ago, Zella said:

Yeah the average US woman is 5'4". Just for me personally as someone who is 5'4", when women are about 5'7" I consider that on the tall side. 

1 hour ago, oliviabenson said:

I’m 5’6 and consider myself short

8 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Being tall isn't all that it's cracked up to be.  I'm 6'2" and wish I were shorter as the world is not designed for tall people.  North America is better than most in this respect.  Constantly being told I should play basketball when I absolutely hated sports was beyond annoying.  Just saying.

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MaryAnneSpier

MaryAnneSpier

As annoying as it is to be reminded constantly that Derrick was a PP, as was his own father, it does give me hope that maybe Derrick will be so focused on his own sons doing the same that he'll really take their education seriously. I don't know if we found out for sure if the boys are in real school now in their new town or if Jill is "homeschooling" but I think it's more likely they are still getting a real education. 

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Minivanessa

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4 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

As annoying as it is to be reminded constantly that Derrick was a PP, as was his own father, it does give me hope that maybe Derrick will be so focused on his own sons doing the same that he'll really take their education seriously. I don't know if we found out for sure if the boys are in real school now in their new town or if Jill is "homeschooling" but I think it's more likely they are still getting a real education. 

I hope so too, and I think the prospects for that are good. Derick grew up as a mainstream Arkansas Baptist - public schooling, TV, movies, regular clothing, and all. With a mom who worked outside the home. He had a relatively brief immersion in Fundie-world, unlike Jill who grew up in it. She may not have moved completely away from her indoctrination that public schools are bastions of Satan with drug pushers and sexual predators haunting the grade school playgrounds, but I doubt that he thinks that way. 

The OSU homecoming posts from Jill made me laugh. I have a busload (or two) of cousins in Oklahoma (first cousins + their generations of offspring), and lived there as a child. Last weekend I drove down there to visit. The cousins I stayed with were of course home, but several relatives, covering I think 3 generations, were either out of town in Stillwater attending the OSU game or had set aside Saturday afternoon to watch it on TV. I'd forgotten that Derick went to OSU, and it cracked me up to see Jill's posts about the game. (BTW I saw some of it on TV; it was a good game and OSU won so my cousins were happy.) 

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Minivanessa

Minivanessa

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I have no idea either, if the older boys are in school. I keep waiting for a Jill and Freddy post about squeezing in errands after the school run like she used to do with Sammy.

I wonder if Jill's feeling conflicted about public social media after all the recent events in her life. She went through a lot: the trial and sentencing, pregnancy and childbirth, moving to a new town, Derick's passing the bar and starting a new job, with gallbladder surgery as the cherry on top. Oof. And, she has to be mindful that Derick is now working as a prosecutor so he's not only a government employee, he's dealing with sensitive issues in his work. (I know, right now he's new and probably handling bad check charges and DUIs but still, he should be careful about his personal and family security and reputation.) 

Of course I could be wrong, but my impression is that Jill is a naturally friendly and outgoing person who enjoys sharing parts of her life on social media. A much more open and friendly person than the super-guarded Jessa who IMO is a control freak, very insecure and scared of anything she or JB can't manage.

I also suspect that Jill may get enough income from it to keep from going private on SM. But OTOH I would advise anyone working as a prosecutor - even in a small town - to be discreet about sharing information on where their kids go to school, their home address, etc. Even if that stuff isn't top secret, why splash it around? There are too many crazies out there. Jill has shown her kids' faces on SM lately, so who knows what she's thinking or what limits she's decided to observe. 

All of that is just to say, I wonder if Jill's going to be as regular with her "mommy and kids" SM posts as she was in the past, but I just don't know. 

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GeeGolly

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10 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I wonder if Jill's feeling conflicted about public social media after all the recent events in her life. She went through a lot: the trial and sentencing, pregnancy and childbirth, moving to a new town, Derick's passing the bar and starting a new job, with gallbladder surgery as the cherry on top. Oof. And, she has to be mindful that Derick is now working as a prosecutor so he's not only a government employee, he's dealing with sensitive issues in his work. (I know, right now he's new and probably handling bad check charges and DUIs but still, he should be careful about his personal and family security and reputation.) 

Of course I could be wrong, but my impression is that Jill is a naturally friendly and outgoing person who enjoys sharing parts of her life on social media. A much more open and friendly person than the super-guarded Jessa who IMO is a control freak, very insecure and scared of anything she or JB can't manage.

I also suspect that Jill may get enough income from it to keep from going private on SM. But OTOH I would advise anyone working as a prosecutor - even in a small town - to be discreet about sharing information on where their kids go to school, their home address, etc. Even if that stuff isn't top secret, why splash it around? There are too many crazies out there. Jill has shown her kids' faces on SM lately, so who knows what she's thinking or what limits she's decided to observe. 

All of that is just to say, I wonder if Jill's going to be as regular with her "mommy and kids" SM posts as she was in the past, but I just don't know. 

Interesting thoughts. But we only know about Derick's job, Freddy's birth and Jill's gallbladder surgery because Jill and Derick posted about them. They also posted pictures of themselves on the steps of what looked like to be the courthouse. Derick was in his work clothes and they were with a crowd of local folks watching a parade. And of course her most recent post about former Pistol Petes. So, IMO, if Jill is trying to be discreet she's not doing a very good job.

As far as money, Jill has only posted an "#ad" for swimming lessons and a moving company in the last few months, maybe even a year. Her sisters, on the other hand, are doing some ads, but are mostly making money from YT views. Jill doesn't do YT very often, so I don't she's posting for money.

IMO, Jill posts for attention and 'likes'.

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Trillium

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2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

 He had a relatively brief immersion in Fundie-world, unlike Jill who grew up in it. She may not have moved completely away from her indoctrination that public schools are bastions of Satan with drug pushers and sexual predators haunting the grade school playgrounds, but I doubt that he thinks that way. 

If my local community groups are any indication, it is not just fundies who feel this way anymore. The pandemic and rampant spread of misinformation on social media seems to have made it more mainstream to demonize public education. I had a friend who is very lapse Catholic and her and her husband have taken their kids out because they believe all of the bolded. I tried to point out kids aren’t being abducted by strangers left and right, and no K-12 school has ever taught CRT,  and she was all “well the pubic school made them wear a mask and the teachers were too lazy during the pandemic” 🙄 

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Scarlett45

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1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

I also suspect that Jill may get enough income from it to keep from going private on SM. But OTOH I would advise anyone working as a prosecutor - even in a small town - to be discreet about sharing information on where their kids go to school, their home address, etc. Even if that stuff isn't top secret, why splash it around? There are too many crazies out there. Jill has shown her kids' faces on SM lately, so who knows what she's thinking or what limits she's decided to observe. 

I agree with you Jeeves. I understand that social media provides an income for Jill, and for any parent these days, there is a balance if you want to use social media, but Jill isn't just someone who's sharing her life with friends/acquaintances and extended family. The kids being at public event is one thing, but sharing their school and personal information is another.

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2 hours ago, Trillium said:

If my local community groups are any indication, it is not just fundies who feel this way anymore. The pandemic and rampant spread of misinformation on social media seems to have made it more mainstream to demonize public education. I had a friend who is very lapse Catholic and her and her husband have taken their kids out because they believe all of the bolded. I tried to point out kids aren’t being abducted by strangers left and right, and no K-12 school has ever taught CRT,  and she was all “well the pubic school made them wear a mask and the teachers were too lazy during the pandemic” 🙄 

I have a sister-in-law and cousin who are teachers and they've been hearing a lot of that from parents' the last few years. Their are used to dealing with crazy parents' but they've hit a whole new level of crazy.  It's so completely insane. Parents' really seem to believe all this crap.

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SMama

SMama

Looks like Jill is on the mend and she’s posting again. She admitted to taking time to adjust and I’m glad she’s giving herself some grace. Her journey is not unique but nevertheless difficult. Her latest shill is oils. It does agree with her boho style.  They even celebrated Halloween. Good for the kids, who are still taking swimming lessons. 

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SMama

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4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Jill has posted about 30 times since Freddy was born in July. Jessa has posted about 25 times since then and Jinger about 40 times. Joy has posted about 20 times since she restarted in August.

It seems Jinger is the only one posting more than Jill.

My bad, I don’t keep track of how often they post. 

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GeeGolly

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5 minutes ago, SMama said:

My bad, I don’t keep track of how often they post. 

No worries. I don't keep track either. I just thought it odd Jill said she wasn't posting much, so I took a quick glance at the others to get an idea of what "much" meant. And I still don't know, lol, now I just know she posts more than Jessa, about the same as Joy and less than Jinger.

I wonder if her comment about the 3 boys keeping her so busy means they're home during the day, or just busy in general.

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SMama

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Maybe its me, but I just can imagine holding my camera phone an arms length away to take a posed picture like this. To me its just weird.

Same here but we didn’t grow up with cameras following us around, boom mikes above us, sitting down to record talking heads, set lighting and window covers. More important, we were not raised to believe we are a model of godly behavior that others must emulate. 

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Trillium

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11 minutes ago, SMama said:

Same here but we didn’t grow up with cameras following us around, boom mikes above us, sitting down to record talking heads, set lighting and window covers. More important, we were not raised to believe we are a model of godly behavior that others must emulate. 

I don’t even think it’s that. I can’t tell you how completely normal this type of pose is for people her age to post. Religion really has nothing to do with it. I don’t get it but I’m a “geriatric millennial” but all my younger family…this is just what a lot of them do. 🤷‍♀️ At least she’s not doing duck lips too. 

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peppergal

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7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

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Did JillR decorate JillD's bedroom? 🤣 And I hope that candle, up against the wall, on a shelf hung by string, is fake.

It's out of focus so I can't tell for sure but it looks a lot like the display she had in the bathroom of her other house where it was the dried bouquet and candle from her wedding hanging by the tub.  If so, the candle is real but for decorative purposes only.

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GeeGolly

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13 minutes ago, Trillium said:

I don’t even think it’s that. I can’t tell you how completely normal this type of pose is for people her age to post. Religion really has nothing to do with it. I don’t get it but I’m a “geriatric millennial” but all my younger family…this is just what a lot of them do. 🤷‍♀️ At least she’s not doing duck lips too. 

Maybe its a regional thing? My FB feed is filled with posts/pics by parents Jill's age, and yes they do selfies with their kids, but nothing like the pose Jill did. Or if they do, they don't post them.

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GeeGolly

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Jill's last two IG stories were shilling kid stuff. Shilling swimming lessons and some reusable workbooks. Jessa and Joy have been shilling kid stuff and Jinger has 'written' a book. I guess its safe to say none of the married sisters are straying to far from their parents playbook. Although a wee bit of credit for Jinger who no longer involves her kids in it all. And I guess a wee bit of credit for Jill's (odd) attempt at allowing her kids some privacy.

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SnapHappy

SnapHappy

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On 11/14/2022 at 9:21 AM, GeeGolly said:

And I guess a wee bit of credit for Jill's (odd) attempt at allowing her kids some privacy.

Not really.  She revealed where the oldest went to school, lots of house & yard photos, practically did unpaid ads for their swim class location, photos with Deertick in his courthouse, photos with the new baby, the Pistol Pete thing a couple of weeks ago. 

She's always had them front & center, identifiable and without concern for their privacy.  Their images are for her commercial use only.  They have ZERO anonymity as Dillard children.  And her husband is enough of a sleaze to support that.

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Notabug

Notabug

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2 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

I don't think she homeschools. She never explicitly said that.

I hope I am right and they wouldn't let their son experience school and then take it away from him

I wouldn't put it past her, though.  Jill was raised by parents who never put their kids' needs first; I don't think it would occur to her to consider what Israel might like or what would be best for him.  She was brought into the cult at a young age and brainwashed into believing that homeschool was the only way.  Derick just started a new job with long hours; he probably isn't as available to help the kids get ready for school, pack lunches or monitor homework these days.  If left up to Jill, I could see her backsliding and deciding to keep the kids home if only so she wouldn't be alone with the baby all day.

I think the fact that school has now been in session for almost 3 months and she hasn't posted a single word about the kids going to school or shown a picture of them doing homework or waiting for the bus is a pretty good indication that none of that is happening these days.

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Snow Fairy

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Well in one story she said the notebooks are a great for help with homework, so maybe there is a tiny hope real school is still in the picture.

New post says she likes cozy mornings, so does Freddy. Boys could be at school then

Or maybe I'm trying to see some meaning where there is none

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Jill has done the reusable workbook shill twice so far. She seems to start out winging it and then appears to makes some points that are off a script, so I wouldn't put too much weight into what she's saying.

I think by now the boys would have had some type of event or award to celebrate. 100 days of school, meeting a learning or reading goal, character day, spirit week, etc. The boys were part of the expecting/birth announcements, Derick's swearing in and Pistol Pete Day, so it seems me Jill would share school celebrations, even if it was just to show the award, certificate, crazy socks, etc.

Although lately Jill has only (half) shown the boys for shilling.

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