Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Ljohnson1987]

I wonder if they'll drag out Jessa and Ben's wedding for the entire next season. They should've done a VSE. Does anyone really care about it now?

[WTFFF]

What about the lion king or Matilda? Sad that Jill is 23 and has the mind of a 10yo. Michelle and JB would never take any of their kids to a Broadway show. Too expensive for a family of 21 and ungodly

Also her siblings come to her. Jill needs to move three hours away and get away from her parents

 

I've seen Matilda 25 times (I'm addicted to Matilda in all media forms and I actually think the musical improves on the novel), and more than once I've thought about how much the Lost Girls would probably enjoy it (I am 110% serious when I say that if they ever take another trip back into the city with Jill's buddy team, I'd be willing to pay myself for Joy or Derick to take Jennifer to see Matilda - I feel like that story would resonate with her and Jordyn, and maybe give them some hope), but I think it would be out for J&D because "Loud" would defraud the hell out of Derick, and Matilda's telekinetic powers would probably be classed as "witchcraft."  God knows there's no room more metaphor in the Duggar world.  Hell, they probably have no clue who Roald Dahl is. 

 

The Lion King is possible, though.  I always kind of forget that's still there.  Since Duggar girls are allowed to see shirtless men, I can't think of what would be objectionable about it.  (TFDW probably should avoid it, though.)  Aladdin would probably be out since Jasmine could be defrauding.  I'm not really kidding when I say I wonder if Sherri Shepherd's involvement was what convinced them that Cinderella would be okay to take in. 

 

 

I think Les Mis would curl Jill's crispy hair! Sure, there's a wonderful message of redemption, but she'd never make it past all those OMG prostitutes!

True, she'd have to cover Derick's eyes during Lovely Ladies, and chances are they'd spend the whole time muttering about how Javert was the true hero of the piece because "thou shalt not steal."  Whatever was I thinking? 

 

Derick's brother looks exactly like Cousin Mose from The Office.  Apparently fundies who look like characters from The Office is a recurring theme with the Duggars' in-laws.

Edited October 28, 2014 by WTFFF

[NausetGirl]

It was my understanding that the texting, emailing and such were wedding planning details. Now, it may be that it's baby stuff at this point. But at the time of the single interview that I think we are basing this all on, they werent at that time married.

I imagine a lot of people think it's sweet that she comes in to eat lunch with him. Doesn't his mother work at Wal-mart too? It's possible that some days she joins them.

 

Now that they're married, if Jill only occasionally has lunch with Derick, fine.  Like once a month.  Anymore than that on a regular basis and the word "smothering" is going to come up.  Especially if she's still doing it once the baby is born.

[Darknight]

It's not tacky. It is just a different way of doing things. I've been home all day with a migraine watching the marathon. I never really watched this show much in the past but this board made me curious about these people. I just don't see that these are bad people. Jill seems lovely and very mature for her age in many ways.

Jill is emotionally a 12yo. She isn't mature in my eyes, just do what she's told without any questions ask. She also works with her limited resources. Jill isn't a bad person her parents are

[flyingdi]

I am 45 and I would go see Cinderella on Broadway in a second. Just saying. And I have no kids and I still love Disney movies.

[ginger90]

Jill has never before been alone. Not in her own bed, not in her own room, not in a car, and possibly not even in the shower. It must freak her out to be alone in that house. Maybe she is mistaking freaking out for being bored?

 

For some reason I read this in the voice one would use reading a Dr Seuss Book, lol.

But, it is so very true

Edited October 29, 2014 by ginger90

[PityFree]

For some reason I read this in the voice one would use reading a Dr Seuss Book, lol.

But, it is so very true

LOL! I thought about adding that she had never been alone with a fox...or in a box.

[frenchtoast]

I just moved some posts to Things About the Duggars That Annoy etc and the Small Talk topic. If you wish to continue that conversation, do so there. According to the pinned official post, I could have just deleted. I do understand how the conversation moves. At that point, you can say something like, "Taking to such and such topic"

[PityFree]

I hope Derrick takes a moment to appreciate his bride's looks now. Because as the years go by, Jill is going to look even more like Jim Boob wearing a long blonde wig then she did at the wedding. 

[juneday]

In this picture, Jana is positively glowing!

And Jill is definitely her mother's daughter; she's already adopted Michelle's hunched back posture.

http://i.imgur.com/bw8Rkuh.jpg

Maybe this is bad to say but when I first saw this picture I thought Jill was pregnant in it.

Her wedding dress is pretty but not flattering at all. She could have bought the dress in her actual size and it still be modest.

Just the way Derick's hand was on her stomach and that her wedding dress was so unflattering made me stare at it thinking, "Is then when she is already pregnant? Oh wait, this is her wedding!"

Oh Michelle's dress...oh my gosh.

Maybe it would look better on a taller person-but it just doesn't look good on her. It sticks out and basically screams, "Look at me!! Mother of the Bride, I can wear whatever the hell I want as long as it's modest!!"

Edited October 29, 2014 by heckyeahheartland

[trimthatfat]

Looking at that pic of Jill and Derrick with his brother and Jana, Jill's dress appears horribly unflattering in pictures. Maybe it's her posture that's throwing me off.

 

Cathy looks lovely in the pic above. I really love her dress.

 

Why would Derick take Jill to see a child's fairytale stage show?

 

I am obsessed with Broadway and travel to NYC regularly to catch shows. I'm a little older than Jill and have seen Cinderella twice. Once with my husband, the other time with my sister-in-law. Both times, 70% of the people in the audience were adults. It's actually a really great show that appeals to children and adults.

Edited October 30, 2014 by trimthatfat

[duggarshow]

I grew up with a church that had an Altar Guild that could provide volunteers to weddings BUT you had to pay the Guild for their time. The Guild then used the money to fund the group but most was given back to the church. Do Baptist churched do the same thing? I imagine the Duggar still got lots of free volunteers but I would bet they had to pay for church help.

 

If they were paid, they weren't volunteers.

[Almost 3000]

If they were paid, they weren't volunteers.

They weren't paid. They volunteered their time and you paid the Church Guild. This was different from the organist and the soloist who were paid and did not volunteer. My question was do Baptist churches have groups that volunteer their time but do it to raise money for the church. We may be struggling with semantics here but my question still stands.

 

I'd like to know if its possible that the Duggars or production paid for some of those 200 volunteers because of a group similar to a Church Guild.

[Jaze Undone]

I'm new here, I have watched the Duggars for years off and on, I've even defended their extreme fundamental practices in the past, I believe I called them refreshing and wholesome. This is about Jill and Derick so I'll stay on that topic. First of all, I really like Derick, he seems to be a really hardworking, nice young man and I do not believe he is a fundi, he is conservative, but I think he would support Jill working and Jill on birth control if she so chose. But JB and MeChelle know that Jilly Muffin inhaled the most kool aid, so it will take many prayers and un-indoctrinating Jill for him to change her ideals.

I appears that Jill inherited her mother's super uterus and along with a positive pee stick all Jill's dreams of being a midwife in a third world country are washed away... Flush!

I had really hoped they would put off babies and go do missions together while they were young and had no responsibilities, they had such a wonderful opportunity to really serve people. Now they are Smuggar take two, with the exception that it seems to be, that Derick, truly is humble.

I hope that he is capable of leading Jill and not the other way around, I have noticed the slight glance at her when she interrupts him during interviews. She should have been taught that was rude a long time ago, now hopefully Derick will point out how unbecoming it is and she will see that this interrupting really is a huge problem of hers.

Another problem of Jill's is the constant fake smile and the squeals of "awww", she even kept interrupting her grandma when she gave Jill the lovely handkerchief that had a piece of her grandmother's wedding dress. Grandma Duggar was trying to impart some of her martial wisdom and Jill just could not keep her mouth shut, you could tell she was absolutely relishing all the attention she has been getting. Also when she calls Derick's mother " mom" it sounds so fake, his mom even seemed to cringe a bit and Derick had an awkward look on his face. I'm sure in time it will seem less contrived and more natural, but honestly out of respect Jill should have saved that name change until after the wedding.

Lastly, the big house, what a lovely home to start their family, but it's going to be ridiculous to live there, get huge and pregnant or have a new baby and have to pack everything and move into a much smaller home. I honestly would rather be moved into MY home and set things up there, so I could paint walls, decorate a nursery... Do all the things that cannot be done in a house that is on the market (supposedly). Does anybody know if the house is listed? Also when it finally is listed, did JB consider that his precious Jilly Billy is going to be living in a home that will be available for all the world to find on a map. Derick really should kindly refuse the offer of the house but move HIS family to a safe, unknown location.

I apologize if all of this has already been said, I read all of Jana's thread today and I love it and you all, but I couldn't read 57 pages to get to the end of Jill and Derick's thread.

[Literata]

 

have to pack everything and move into a much smaller home.

They won't have to move. IMO, the house is theirs; my guess would be Derick's making payments to Boob. I think part of the reason for the ruse is that Boob doesn't want to admit to Josh and Anna that he wasn't exactly impartial in his financial assistance to his married kids.

[joanofarch4]

I second the notion that the Dillards won't be moving anytime soon...  :(

[floridamom]

I just realized that Derick's suit didn't fit him. It was too large. It looked wrinkled and like it was going to fall off at any moment.

[floridamom]

Yes, Jill may be immature like a 14 year old, but she sure does have  bossy streak in her. She can order around her younger siblings quite well. Welcome to your married life, Derick! It was also disgusting to watch her shave him before the wedding. I didn't think they were allowed to "touch" each other like that, only hand holding..why is he too dumb to know how to comb his hair as Jessa was spraying it for him before the wedding? These people re-write their own rule book as they go.

[zenme]

I think I noticed Jill's bossy streak immediately after she said, "I do."  She went from the giggly and demure Jill to a bossy and in-control finger licker.  It's as though she's acting in roles and she has a certain idea about how the players are supposed to be.

[GEML]

I thought the shaving was weird too.

[fliptopbox]

The shaving thing was really odd. I mean maybe for fun, just playing around, but on your wedding day? That's one day I wouldn't let anyone else near me with a razor. No way!

[zenme]

The shaving thing seemed a rather intimate thing...I bet for them, even more so than for us "regular" folk.

[kalamac]

I had a creepy uncle who used to make his wife shave him because he considered it one of the ways she served him.

[zenme]

No offense to your uncle, kalamac, but eww.

[kalamac]

Dude was awful.  I stopped associating with him as soon as I was of an age to refuse to go anywhere near him.

[NausetGirl]

Michelle looks like the Fiji Mermaid in that dress.  Is it possible she dressed horribly in a desperate bid to get attention, or did she really think that looked good?!  How I wish Joan Rivers were alive to comment on it.

 

OMG. Joan Rivers, bless her heart, would have had a most perfect zinger for that dress! I would loved to have heard her on it too.

[Darknight]

Why couldn't Derrick shave himself

[trimthatfat]

Aw, I think it's cute Jill helped Derrick shave. They rarely had opportunities to get close throughout the courtship, so shaving was probably an intimate act for them while it wouldn't be for the average couple.

[zenme]

I thought Derick still looked scraggly after his shave, but I think Jill seems to like that look.  I don't mind the look overall, but Derick's always looks like he's missing spots.

[PityFree]

The shaving was gross in the way that Duggars as a whole are gross: they were grooming themselves in a place not intended for intimate grooming!!!!! Shaving, showering, toe nail clipping, etc. should be done at home, in a bathroom or in a barbershop: a place where hair is not going to get all over everything. Was that room carpeted? Were there other people there? Were there suits and dresses there? Was there food there???? 

 

I saw a picture on FJ of the groomsmen with Derrick. I knew his suit was too big before but in this picture you can see exactly how ill fitting the entire thing is. What is wrong with these people that none of their clothing fits properly - not even for a WEDDING?????? Derrick wasn't raised that way. He knows better. He has no excuse. He has a corporate job so he had to have an interview. You cannot tell me that his interview suit fit this badly. 

[zenme]

You're right, PityFree.  My mom owns a menswear store and she's always having to fit a man for a suit properly.  She says they always go for the wrong size.  He would have looked so much better in a Calvin Klein suit, as they are cut perfectly for men with body types such as Derick's.  Also, for their theme I would think a bow tie of some sort would have been more appropriate for the look. The suit was ill-fitting. 

 

Once again, I've said before--as have others, that Jeremy Roloff and his bride pulled off the look that I feel Jill attempted, including Jeremy's custom made suit.  It was beautiful! Jill's looked half-assed and cheap.

[Rhondinella]

Final warning:  Discussion of Michelle's dress, or any of the clothes other than those worn by Jill and Derrick, should go in another thread.  I will begin deleting MOB dress discussions here on sight with no warning and repeat offenders may receive warnings.

 

I've moved all the recent discussion about the MOB dresses to the wedding episode thread.  Thank you.

[Fuzzysox]

The shaving thing was really odd. I mean maybe for fun, just playing around, but on your wedding day? That's one day I wouldn't let anyone else near me with a razor. No way!

I recall seeing a picture of daughters shaving their fathers at Doug Phillips Vision Forum retreat for daughters and fathers. Eww Doug Phillips is a tool and child molester.

[homeperm]

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe this is just the start for them. Maybe NYC becomes a yearly tradition for them and they'll check out all the various shows over the years. It's possible he started with Cinderella due to ticket prices and because both of them kind of know the story. They may work their way up from there to Les Mis and whatever else over the years. Obviously Derick doesn't have a problem with dancing and music -- I mean he was his school's mascot so he was exposed to the band and cheerleaders at every practice and game. So I highly doubt he will say "oh no -- can't take my wife to that show, there are heathens dancing in that one." All of Broadway has music and dancing -- if they were SO morally opposed, they wouldn't even have gone to Cinderella. And I think Jill will not mind having her world opened up a bit. I'm not suggesting she'll suddenly be ok hitting a nightclub or dancing with her husband, but I think she will be ok watching such shows -- appreciating the music and dance and costumes and lighting etc. from a distance. As much as she is fundie, I think she can be open minded and esp. when it comes to things Derick wants to do; she has shown more than once now that she'll eat Nepali food or hummus or whatever without turning up her nose because he likes it and she's willing to try it and decide she's ok with it too. I think it'll be the same for lots of other activities -- Broadway being just one example.

I SO hope you're right. Going to NYC on their own and actually experiencing the city are good signs.

[Ljohnson1987]

I hope they don't raise Dill Pickle how Jill was raised. Derrick is not Fundie, so there's a chance he'll be raised normally.  Why did J'Chelle make the whole thing about her? She's such an attention whore! Of course, she had to say how awful it was that Mrs. Dillard couldn't be there. Like everyone didn't already know it. 

[Barb23]

Aw, I think it's cute Jill helped Derrick shave. They rarely had opportunities to get close throughout the courtship, so shaving was probably an intimate act for them while it wouldn't be for the average couple.

I don't think it was too intimate when Jessa joined in trying to tie Derick's tie. What was with that? Couldn't she have waited a minute til Jilly Muffin was done?

[Brooklynista]

I don't think it was too intimate when Jessa joined in trying to tie Derick's tie. What was with that? Couldn't she have waited a minute til Jilly Muffin was done?

On occasion I'll go with my husband to the barber shop and his barber doesn't even want you chatting with people In his chair because it is precision work he's doing. I can't imagine the patchwork his beard looked liked with Jill going at him with those $10 clippers and Jessa choking him with a tie at the same time.

Why couldn't Jessa go play with her own man? And why weren't they at least in the bathroom? And why would he even show up on his wedding day unshaven?

[cmr2014]

If Jessa got the shaving thing from Bin (which seems likely), I think that Jill just thought it was romantic and wanted to copy her. If I were one of those kids I would do whatever I could to get my hands on my boyfriend, so I don't blame them for that.

 

I think that the reason that Jessa and Jill don't stop to think about where they are doing the shaving is because they've simply never been taught.

 

I've commented on this before, but it really bugs me. This isn't a regional thing, or a big family thing. I grew up in a big family in Texas -- I have relatives in Arkansas. We went barefoot all the time, but once we came home, we bathed, put on clean pajamas, and went to sleep between clean sheets. If it had occurred to me to give my boyfriend a shave -- in a church no less -- my mother would have put a stop to that before the clippers even got warmed up.

 

J'chelle is the baby of her family. I doubt she ever did any housework at all growing up, and very possible that her parent were tired of nagging children by the time she came along and just let her do as she pleased. It's possible that she simply doesn't know what's appropriate. That may be one of the reasons that she's drawn to Gothardism -- because there are rules for everything (except keeping a clean house).

 

I can't even imagine how Derick is going to respond when he comes home from a long day at work, has dinner, watches a little TV, and then goes in to go to sleep on a bed with no sheets.

[Jellybeans]

Jill and Derrick had a bed set on their bed, it was shown before the wedding.

I see nothing wrong with the shaving. People helping people, how can that be wrong. Reminds me of my family roots. My family is from Arkansas and Louisiana.

Now when peeps get married, it isn't acceptable unless you get full salon services and turn your hair into an updo resembling hairy brains held into place by pins and hairspray. That look... should be reserved for Halloween. Just saying....

I say do what you want, frizzy hair, brain hair, popcorn, 10-course meal with rubbery steak, it is a wedding, a celebration of two people getting married, but it's not your wedding.

Of course we can come here and snark, and do. Just remember what is said here was probably said about your own wedding too LOL. I am sure people snarked at mine! No, I KNOW they did. :-)

[SoSueMe]

It's not tacky when you are going to turn around in a month's time and volunteer for someone else's wedding.

I realize if you aren't part of this culture it sounds dreadful. But volunteerism is part if what makes this a community.

I just want to take a minute to let you know that I think it's lovely how you present a viewpoint supportive of the Duggars without attacking those of us who are not really 'getting' it. (I'm one of those.)

[Joe Jitsu913]

I see nothing wrong with the shaving. People helping people, how can that be wrong. Reminds me of my family roots. My family is from Arkansas and Louisiana.

Now when peeps get married, it isn't acceptable unless you get full salon services and turn your hair into an updo resembling hairy brains held into place by pins and hairspray. That look... should be reserved for Halloween. Just saying....

It isn't about "people helping people". It's about sanitation, respect and common courtesy for the next wedding party who uses that bridal suite in the church. I wouldn't want to use a bridal suite that had human hair in the carpeting, would you? That's just disrespectful of the Duggars and shows no consideration of the janitorial staff who had to vacuum hair out of the carpeting and to the next bridal party who probably goes barefoot in that room. It wouldn't surprise me if the Duggars also clipped their nails inside the venue and left it for the janitor to clean. Gross and nasty.

It just goes to show that TLC money doesn't buy class.

As for the wedding hair do..I would rather have 'wedding brains' than long, shaggy, unconditioned hair.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Joe Jitsu913

[Jellybeans]

Lotsa people like the hairy brains Bride look so you're not alone. :-)

Since I haven't heard the Duggars did not clean up after themselves nor pay the Church a cleaning fee (which is usually mandatory) I give them benefit of doubt because like all reality shows, there is lots of conjecture and speculation. That is why forums are usually fun, everyone has an opinion and we can express them.

[abseedee]

If Jessa did her own hair then I hope she did a better job than how she fixed Jill's hair that looked messy.

Edited November 1, 2014 by abseedee

[Joe Jitsu913]

I hope the Duggar girls invest in some decent make up. The drug store kind is not very good for HD cameras. Surely TLC could have hired a professional make up team?

[roamyn]

Jill's wasn't too bad, but Jessa needs to stop schlacking it on. Her face is a mess.

[Ljohnson1987]

 Jill would be able to reuse Jessa's BM's dress for herself. Too bad she's pregnant. 

[mbutterfly]

Lotsa people like the hairy brains Bride look so you're not alone. :-)

Since I haven't heard the Duggars did not clean up after themselves nor pay the Church a cleaning fee (which is usually mandatory) I give them benefit of doubt because like all reality shows, there is lots of conjecture and speculation. That is why forums are usually fun, everyone has an opinion and we can express them.

I'm going to guess the church got a pretty penny from both having the wedding and filming. Good for them, probably do some mission outreach. 

[Barb23]

Lotsa people like the hairy brains Bride look so you're not alone. :-)

Since I haven't heard the Duggars did not clean up after themselves nor pay the Church a cleaning fee (which is usually mandatory) I give them benefit of doubt because like all reality shows, there is lots of conjecture and speculation. That is why forums are usually fun, everyone has an opinion and we can express them.

The Duggars cleaning up after themselves - now that's funny.....

[Rhondinella]

I'd imagine the same group of volunteers who set everything up also cleaned up.  And/or TLC provided people to do so.  Or paid someone to do so.  There are a number of reasonable explanations for them not doing the cleaning themselves.  Heck, I've been to lots of weddings where the family didn't do the clean-up because the church had staff who did it as part of the fee charged for using the facility.

[Almost 3000]

I'm not getting the hairy brains reference.

Me neither. I thought it was a term for something you'd look up in the Urban Dictionary and I'm not sure why its being used in reference to a bridal hairstyle.