Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[StaceyNotStacie]

35 minutes ago, lascuba said:

He's probably hoping that with time she'll not be so willing to make the hours drive to see him regularly. Considering the books she's alleged to have sent him, I can imagine their conversations are driving him up the wall.

I’m guessing that he can’t really decline her visits or calls. If word gets back to JB that he’s declining her calls and visits, he might get cut off financially. 

[Cinnabon]

21 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

I’m guessing that he can’t really decline her visits or calls. If word gets back to JB that he’s declining her calls and visits, he might get cut off financially. 

Is Josh receiving much financially right now? Other than JB paying his lawyers?

[Scarlett45]

5 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Is Josh receiving much financially right now? Other than JB paying his lawyers?

I assume someone is putting money on his books for commissary items. 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

I assume someone is putting money on his books for commissary items. 

I assumed Anna was doing that, but could be .

[SMama]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

I assumed Anna was doing that, but could be .

And since Anna doesn’t work outside the home any money comes from JB. 

I saw Makenzye in a few pictures from the cult family camp in Hilary Spivey’s IG. I hope the rest of the Ms were just not photographed but were able to participate. It would be terrible if one of the few regular outlets they had to socialize is abruptly taken away. 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

Pecan Thief?

David & Pricilla stole pecans.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2019/11/david-and-priscilla-waller-stealing-pecans-for-jesus/ 

[merylinkid]

I can just imagine their phone calls.   Anna babbling on about how he is a martyr for Jeebus and how this will only make their relationship stronger while he just says "uh-huh" and "mmm" every so often.    She takes it to mean he  is wholly on board with everything she says.  

[lascuba]

30 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I can just imagine their phone calls.   Anna babbling on about how he is a martyr for Jeebus and how this will only make their relationship stronger while he just says "uh-huh" and "mmm" every so often.    She takes it to mean he  is wholly on board with everything she says.  

Right? Not to sound sympathetic to that asshole, but imagine just starting a decade long prison sentence and all your spouse wants to talk about is how you can use this time to grow closer to god and each other. No one would want to deal with that.

[Minivanessa]

17 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Right? Not to sound sympathetic to that asshole, but imagine just starting a decade long prison sentence and all your spouse wants to talk about is how you can use this time to grow closer to god and each other. No one would want to deal with that.

And if he hears from his dad, I bet JB is forever going on about how God intends for Josh to preach the Gospel while in prison, like some 21st Century St. Paul. As I've said before, the delusion in that man runs deep.

ETA: JB having a son in prison for CSAM would shame him, but of COURSE God has called his firstborn Duggar Princeling to preach the gospel in prison which isn't so bad . . . I suppose that's the idea? Hard to know how JB's mind works - but he clearly thinks he's large and in charge, no doubt despite getting a smackdown from a federal judge when testifying in his son's case. Heh.

Edited October 26, 2022 by Jeeves

[CalicoKitty]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

David Waller the husband of Anna's sister Priscilla.  His narrative about how he became "saved" at a young age involves him stealing some pecans.

The way I remember it, David and Prissy pulled off the road and stole pecans from someone's orchard.  Maybe 3-4 years ago??

[SMama]

14 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

And if he hears from his dad, I bet JB is forever going on about how God intends for Josh to preach the Gospel while in prison, like some 21st Century St. Paul. As I've said before, the delusion in that man runs deep.

The delusion in all of them runs deep. At this point they should accept the fact that the FF is a deeply disturbed person who has made some heinous choices. No amount of preaching, not even ten years of Jesus Jail is going to change the rot at the core of the FF’s soul. He is a narcissist (like JB & M), misogynist, pedophile, and doesn’t posses the character traits the Duggars love bloviating about. The FF is best left alone, there’s no saving that level of evil. Had JB and M paid as much attention to their children as they did preaching how the rest of us should live they perhaps would have contained the FF. 
 

I sometimes wonder if the siblings are relieved their brother is incarcerated. The way some of the siblings have guarded their privacy makes me think it should be a weight of their shoulders. It will be interesting to see where they all are once the FF is released. 

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, SMama said:

And since Anna doesn’t work outside the home any money comes from JB. 

I saw Makenzye in a few pictures from the cult family camp in Hilary Spivey’s IG. I hope the rest of the Ms were just not photographed but were able to participate. It would be terrible if one of the few regular outlets they had to socialize is abruptly taken away. 

I thought people had said that Anna was living off of the proceeds of the sale of their previous house. But who knows?

1 hour ago, lascuba said:

Right? Not to sound sympathetic to that asshole, but imagine just starting a decade long prison sentence and all your spouse wants to talk about is how you can use this time to grow closer to god and each other. No one would want to deal with that.

Yeah, I can’t stand Josh but I can sympathize with how excruciating that would be. 

[Salacious Kitty]

2 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

The way I remember it, David and Prissy pulled off the road and stole pecans from someone's orchard.  Maybe 3-4 years ago??

Almost 10 years ago! Prissy was about 8 months pregnant with their first kid 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Salacious Kitty

[awaken]

10 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

The way I remember it, David and Prissy pulled off the road and stole pecans from someone's orchard.  Maybe 3-4 years ago??

Lol, I always thought that was an anecdote from his childhood!  Didn’t realize that he and prissy together were adult pecan thieves!  

[CalicoKitty]

7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Almost 10 years ago! Prissy was about 8 months pregnant with their first kid 

It's scary that I have been reading about these people for that long!!

[Salacious Kitty]

16 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

It's scary that I have been reading about these people for that long!!

It's even sadder that I know their very depressing courtship story. 😶

[ChristmasCandy]

13 hours ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

I’m guessing that he can’t really decline her visits or calls. If word gets back to JB that he’s declining her calls and visits, he might get cut off financially. 

Blob would never cut out the fundie crown prince.

[Salacious Kitty]

I sincerely doubt that JB sees FF as the crown prince anymore. I imagine JB will financially support FF because he knows he fucked up and can never admit his mistakes. The last thing JB would ever do is admit he was wrong about anything. But he'll throw some cash at FF, hoping he will go away for good. 

But I don't think he'll buy Anna a house in Texas. 

[BigBingerBro]

Anna Duggar Will Have to Make ‘Crucial Life Decisions’ If Husband Josh Duggar’s Appeal Is Denied

[madpsych78]

Hmmm, I actually think Anna should move to Texas. Mostly because FF doesn't want her to do so. She won't get extra time visiting Josh even if she is physically closer, but she can be with the Wallers and she can be away from the Duggars. 

[Notabug]

On 10/26/2022 at 10:29 AM, StaceyNotStacie said:

I’m guessing that he can’t really decline her visits or calls. If word gets back to JB that he’s declining her calls and visits, he might get cut off financially. 

I don't think JB really care how Josh treats Anna.  He is probably fairly certain that she's deep enough into Gothardism that she'll never file for divorce, no matter what Josh does.  Let's face it, refusing to see her is pretty low on the list of Josh' transgressions when it comes to Anna.  JB will continue to support her and the kids because he doesn't want the bad PR if he cut them off.  And, despite his behavior, I think Meech still holds a special place in her heart for her firstborn which will keep the Duggar parents on the hook and writing those checks for the FF's prison needs, no matter what else Josh does.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Notabug

[the-grey-lady]

On 10/26/2022 at 9:10 AM, lascuba said:

Not to sound sympathetic to that asshole, but imagine just starting a decade long prison sentence and all your spouse wants to talk about is how you can use this time to grow closer to god and each other.

I'm not sure that's different from what they talked about pre-incarceration...

ETA: no snark towards OP. I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than talk to anyone about how I can grow closer to god in my relationship. I just can't imagine what those two talk about...ever.

Edited October 28, 2022 by the-grey-lady

[GeeGolly]

Josh needs Anna. He needs her for "Christian" sex, he needs her so he can stay in good graces with his family and he needs someone to stroke his ego (so wanna insert joke here).

Josh needs to play the long game, so in addition to have Anna's calls and visits break up he days, he'll indulge her to have her around in a decade.

[madpsych78]

Is it true that no conjugal visits are allowed though? 

[libgirl2]

42 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh needs Anna. He needs her for "Christian" sex, he needs her so he can stay in good graces with his family and he needs someone to stroke his ego (so wanna insert joke here).

Josh needs to play the long game, so in addition to have Anna's calls and visits break up he days, he'll indulge her to have her around in a decade.

So he can go back to what he was doing before. 

[Scarlett45]

38 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh needs Anna. He needs her for "Christian" sex, he needs her so he can stay in good graces with his family and he needs someone to stroke his ego (so wanna insert joke here).

Josh needs to play the long game, so in addition to have Anna's calls and visits break up he days, he'll indulge her to have her around in a decade.

I could see this if he were getting out shortly, yes it was much easier for him to "put up" with Anna when she (as his wife) was bringing him status in the fundy community and meeting his need for partnered sex. I think its likely he has some affection for her (Josh is vile scum but I do think he is capable of some sort of emotional connection, he's not a robot), but I highly doubt he wants to have deep conversations with her about Jesus right now. Likely Josh probably wants money on his commissary and to be left alone. A weekly conversation make break up the monotony of prison, but after he is in there a year or two, I think he will be less engaged with whatever she has to say.

I mentioned here before I have a cousin who was unjustly convicted for killing her abusive husband in the 80s (she has now been out longer than she was in), she talks about how lucky she was, she had loving parents who wrote her all the time and took care of her kids while she was "away"(thats how she refers it), her brothers put money on her books and wrote her, but only one brother and her aunts called her regularly- it was expensive and people had "lives". Only one brother visited and brought her teenaged kids. This is someone people felt were unjustly convicted and had participated in family life before their prison sentence. Prison is HARD on families. As time goes on, Anna may also want to call less and less. She will get used to live without him, especially as the kids get older and need more emotionally.

1 hour ago, the-grey-lady said:

I'm not sure that's different from what they talked about pre-incarceration...

ETA: no snark towards OP. I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than talk to anyone about how I can grow closer to god in my relationship. I just can't imagine what those two talk about...ever.

I dont doubt Anna or Josh were ever engaging conversationalist even at the beginning of their courtship. They probably just talked about Jesus and how many kids they wanted to have.

6 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Is it true that no conjugal visits are allowed though? 

There are no conjugal visits in federal prison. 

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I dont doubt Anna or Josh were ever engaging conversationalist even at the beginning of their courtship. They probably just talked about Jesus and how many kids they wanted to have.

I think that is what most of these fundie couples talk about since they barely know each other. 

[madpsych78]

6 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

There are no conjugal visits in federal prison. 

That's what I thought. My point was that Josh is not going to be getting any kind of Christian sex with his wife anytime in the near future.

[lascuba]

1 hour ago, the-grey-lady said:

I'm not sure that's different from what they talked about pre-incarceration...

ETA: no snark towards OP. I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than talk to anyone about how I can grow closer to god in my relationship. I just can't imagine what those two talk about...ever.

No, you're right. I don't think those two talk about much even under ideal circumstances. I just don't think Josh has ever been sincere in his beliefs and now that he's in prison and can't escape the conversation, it must be especially grating.

[the-grey-lady]

5 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I just don't think Josh has ever been sincere in his beliefs and now that he's in prison and can't escape the conversation, it must be especially grating.

Excellent point!

[Scarlett45]

11 minutes ago, lascuba said:

No, you're right. I don't think those two talk about much even under ideal circumstances. I just don't think Josh has ever been sincere in his beliefs and now that he's in prison and can't escape the conversation, it must be especially grating.

I agree with you. But he might not have anything else to distract them either. From what I have been told, prison is BORING. The monotony is what depresses people, that is why jobs are coveted, just something to DO daily, even if it's the laundry or working in the commissary. 

[Gemma Violet]

WOACB showed a tweet copied on Reddit from a former Duggar bodyguard who had apparently posted tidbits in the past on Reddit.  The bodyguard said his most shocking experience in that gig was running into Josh at 3 am in a driveway and Josh had one of his sisters in his car who he was trying to conceal.  The guard said he reported it.  Of course, take that with a grain of salt.

Edited October 29, 2022 by Gemma Violet

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

That's what I thought. My point was that Josh is not going to be getting any kind of Christian sex with his wife anytime in the near future.

No he won't. That's part of his long game. He'll need Anna once he's released.

[merylinkid]

5 hours ago, lascuba said:

No, you're right. I don't think those two talk about much even under ideal circumstances. I just don't think Josh has ever been sincere in his beliefs and now that he's in prison and can't escape the conversation, it must be especially grating.

Anna doesn't strike me as very bright.   Not Priscilla not bright, but not bright.   So I doubt they were having scintillating conversations to begin with.   Now that her faith is all she has left, she has even LESS to talk to him about.   But she is going to try.

I don't see Anna calling or visiting less as time goes by.   In her world, your husband is EVERYTHING.   Therefore she must continue to make him the center of her world or she is defying dog's plan for her.   

[CalicoKitty]

5 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Anna doesn't strike me as very bright.   Not Priscilla not bright, but not bright.   So I doubt they were having scintillating conversations to begin with.   Now that her faith is all she has left, she has even LESS to talk to him about.   But she is going to try.

I don't see Anna calling or visiting less as time goes by.   In her world, your husband is EVERYTHING.   Therefore she must continue to make him the center of her world or she is defying dog's plan for her.   

I also think that others in her group will not let her forget how lucky she at least has a husband.  According to the people with her beliefs, it seems that being married is the most important thing in a woman's life.  (Never mind how sleazy a husband....)  I don't think she could visit less often, or stop visiting, even if she wanted.  He is still her "headship", for life, after all.  I think the guilt trip would be very powerful.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

No he won't. That's part of his long game. He'll need Anna once he's released.

He could make "friends" while in prison. Any port in a storm...

I wouldn't put it past him.

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Salacious Kitty said:

He could make "friends" while in prison. Any port in a storm...

I wouldn't put it past him.

Too true. But he'll still need Anna once he's out.

[Salacious Kitty]

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Too true. But he'll still need Anna once he's out.

I should have been clearer. I meant that he would inevitably have "pen pals." Some stupid woman with some money might be willing to take him in. 

No Anna with her constant blathering about Jesus needed. 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I should have been clearer. I meant that he would inevitably have "pen pals." Some stupid woman with some money might be willing to take him in. 

No Anna with her constant blathering about Jesus needed. 

Ooh gotcha.

I still lean toward the theory Josh needs Anna and his family when he gets out. IMO, he's a big baby and he won't chance having to make it on his own, even with a wealthy girlfriend.

[Salacious Kitty]

25 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Ooh gotcha.

I still lean toward the theory Josh needs Anna and his family when he gets out. IMO, he's a big baby and he won't chance having to make it on his own, even with a wealthy girlfriend.

Sure, he could live off his father, but then he'd have to play by JB's rules. The lazy, faking his religion FF would rather be sitting on his ass eating endless meals of fast food, bankrolled by someone who adores him. 

[beckie]

But Josh isn't going to be allowed near his own minor children when he gets out, so unless Anna, after all that time, decides to abandon said minor children, she won't be able to do much for him.

[merylinkid]

3 hours ago, beckie said:

But Josh isn't going to be allowed near his own minor children when he gets out, so unless Anna, after all that time, decides to abandon said minor children, she won't be able to do much for him.

She figured it out when he was at the Riebers and could only be around the kids supervised.   In her religion, the headship comes first.   Now Anna is better than most in that she doesn't sluff of ALL the childcare responsibilities on someone else.   Her kids are neat, wellfed and seem to not be feral.   But that doesn't mean if she has to choose between waiting on Josh hand and foot and taking care of her kids she won't choose Josh in a red hot minute.

The problem with a girlfriend once he gets out is the GF might expect something in return.   Ewww not that.   But more than he sweeps up the crumbs.    He knows Anna expects nothing of him but to exist so she can say she has a husband.   When he gets out, he isn't going to be looking for someone who will expect him to actually DO anything, unless prison radically changes him.   So he will stick with Anna, and go back to trolling adult porn sites.   He will have learned that at least.

[Scarlett45]

Ten years (that’s the amount of time Josh has to serve no?) is a long time. He’s a relatively young man so he has a lot of life left after that, but a LOT of things will change while he is in there. Family dynamics will change, JB and Michelle may have different priorities (if one of them goes through a health issue for example). 
 

How Anna feels about him may change. After a decade with a husband behind bars she may be less emotionally dependent on him. I don’t think she would leave him, but the “adoring headship” look would be over. 

[Cinnabon]

12 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Sure, he could live off his father, but then he'd have to play by JB's rules. The lazy, faking his religion FF would rather be sitting on his ass eating endless meals of fast food, bankrolled by someone who adores him. 

I can see this, especially since his kids will be mostly grown by then. 

[Snow Fairy]

13 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Sure, he could live off his father, but then he'd have to play by JB's rules. The lazy, faking his religion FF would rather be sitting on his ass eating endless meals of fast food, bankrolled by someone who adores him. 

But what if JB isn't alive until then? Not that I want him to die, but he has a long sentence, anything can happen.

What will happen once he doesn't have his parents to protect him and help provide for this family?

[Scarlett45]

5 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

But what if JB isn't alive until then? Not that I want him to die, but he has a long sentence, anything can happen.

What will happen once he doesn't have his parents to protect him and help provide for this family?

If JB or Michelle aren’t able and willing to support Josh for whatever reason, his life will look very different when he gets out. I noticed out of all of his adult siblings, not ONE would write a letter in support of him, a “I know what he did was horrid, but I love him and consider him a valuable member of the family.” type letter; none of his siblings would go to bat for him (not saying they should of course, just pointing that out.) So I don’t think he’d be able to depend on them. I do think Anna would stand by him, unless one of her adult children was supporting her and set boundaries.
 

It’s really unknown how things will go for him. People who serve long sentences have differing outcomes, life goes on without them, family members get used to not having them around. Josh wasn’t exactly popular (within his family) before the conviction. I would think he’d be able to get job with the limited skills he has, but I don’t think he would WANT TO. I really don’t know. 

[GeeGolly]

I doubt Josh could get a job outside his Fundy community. Crimes against children are not only frowned upon (putting it mildly) by everyone, but a criminal with that history is a huge liability.

His future looks grim to me. I'm 100% okay with that.

[Salacious Kitty]

I wonder how Boobchelle have provided for him in the trust? Of course, that doesn't come into play until both of them die, but that could definitely become an issue down the line. I totally see Meech supporting him if he goes back to Anna and toes the Duggar family line. 

But I could really see FF leaving his family for the richest prison fangirl. 

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

But I could really see FF leaving his family for the richest prison fangirl. 

He will probably receive letters from fundy fans who think he's innocent and he will write back saying he was railroaded but the lord sent him here to help people, and his pen-pals will eat it up hook, line, & sinker.  And he will of course tell them that Anna never understood him and his marriage is unhappy.  With his slick-talking personna, I don't think he'd have trouble having a girlfriend waiting for him on the outside when he gets out.  But, it would have to be someone with money, and since there aren't many rich fundys, it may better suit him to go back to Anna and JB.  

Edited October 29, 2022 by Gemma Violet

[GeeGolly]

Better yet maybe someone will catfish the FF.