Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[emmawoodhouse]

Remember these from Opening Statements?

Defense attorney Justin Gelfand told jurors, "if you like a good mystery, this case is for you."

And

“This is equivalent of a trail of blood from a murder scene . . . It does not lead to Josh Duggar.” (also Gelfand)

Not aging well. 😂

[emmawoodhouse]

[GeeGolly]

JB basically repeated his and Michelle's original statement, of wanting the truth to come out, yesterday, possibly the day before the guilty verdict. 

My question is, will he come out of the gate swinging, saying Josh was wrongly convicted and appeals are already in motion? Or will he say its a sad day, please pray for us, publicly, and spin the story privately?

And here's a crazier thought. Could JB & M actually finally see the real Josh, and stand by the verdict? Putting out a statement saying they hope Josh receives the treatment he needs, please pray for him and the family?

Like could the verdict give (or allow) the whole family a come to Jesus moment and they publicly acknowledge Josh for who he really is? 

[Madtown]

I would give Jill all my money for her to read a victim impact statement at his sentencing. I want her to rip Josh and her parents a new one. 
I know it won’t happen, but I can wish. 

[GeeGolly]

6 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

"At least one member of the courtroom gallery has seemingly already drawn some conclusions: Derick Dillard, Josh's brother-in-law and husband to Josh's sister Jill, told PEOPLE outside the courtroom that he felt there was only "unreasonable doubt" about whether Josh was guilty — but not "reasonable doubt."

He said he had been attending to gather all the facts. His wife, who was under subpoena, was on a list of potential witnesses but was never called.

Derick said he planned to be in court for the verdict, without Jill."

I wonder if Derick told Anna this.

In true Derick fashion, what does he even mean with this statement?

[MsJamieDornan]

7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

In true Derick fashion, what does he even mean with this statement?

If there is doubt in the jurors minds its unreasonable.

 

I got nothing.

[Fallacy]

10 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

In true Derick fashion, what does he even mean with this statement?

He’s saying Josh should be found guilty, in lawyer speak. He’s saying it would be unreasonable to think he’s innocent given the evidence presented. 
 
Reddit has a whole discussion in which multiple people explain the phrase “unreasonable doubt.” But it boils down to this: Derrick  is saying Josh should be found guilty.

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Fallacy

[RedDelicious]

It has been stated by our experts a couple of times. The job of the defense team is to convince the jury there is reasonable doubt that the defendant, Josh, is guilty. Derek feels the evidence only points to the opposite, unreasonable doubt, meaning the defense’s argument was too weak and speculative to prove convince them that Josh is innocent. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by RedDelicious
Semantics.

[merylinkid]

7 hours ago, Zella said:

From that People article. I have not seen it reported elsewhere:

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And one part of the defense's case was forbidden by Judge Timothy Brooks, who said Bush could not bring up criticisms of the prosecution's use of the text-and-photo metadata from Duggar's phone because she had not done any analysis on it herself and just had an opinion it might be unreliable.

After listening to Bush's explanation out of the presence of the jury, Brooks said: "Here she knows the conclusion that she wants to reach and she is looking at possibilities upon possibilities to back into that. And I won't allow that."

Bwahahahahahaha.   "Look your expert sucks, I'm not going to let just make stuff up."

Goes back to their claim the time stamps are unreliable.   But now they can't prove it because their "expert"  is an idiot.

JB will NEVER accept the verdict of Josh being guilty.   Because having a pedophile son shows 1) he was wrong for promoting him as the Golden Child and 2) there goes his political career (such as it is) because no one will elect the father of a pedophile.   Not enough fundies to swing the vote even if they think its one of those things that happen to most families.   JB will have to continue claim it was a set up.   Regardless of the political affiliation of anyone involved, he will claim his "enemies" who don't want to see a "Godly family" succeed, got to them.   Or they were secretly liberal hippie commies all along just waiting for their chance.   Do not look for a logical response from an illogical person protecting his ego at all costs.

[GeeGolly]

But the quote is referring to guilt, "... about whether Josh was guilty".

From Google: Beyond a reasonable doubt is a legal standard of proof required to validate a criminal conviction in most adversarial legal systems.

Beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant is guilty. So if the doubt is unreasonable, wouldn't that point to not guilty?

[MsJamieDornan]

I'm up early, could they start the trial now ? Why wait...😦

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant is guilty.

You added the word beyond, that changes the meaning.

[merylinkid]

9 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

It has been stated by our experts a couple of times. The job of the defense team is to convince the jury there is reasonable doubt that the defendant, Josh, is guilty. Derek feels the evidence only points to the opposite, unreasonable doubt, meaning the defense’s argument was too weak and speculative to prove that Josh is innocent. 

Tiny nitpick.   The defense does not have to prove Josh is innocent.   He is already presumed innocent (until the MFer is convicted).   The prosecution has to prove he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.   The defense only has to establish reasonable doubt.   They don't have to prove a darn thing.   They just have to raise enough questions in the jury's mind to wonder if Josh really did it.   They could think he did, but if they were not really really really sure, then they could not convict.   

To translate Derrick's legalese -- Josh did it, he is so freaking guilty there is no doubt.   It would be like believing "well maybe martians showed up at the car lot and did it" if you didn't believe he did it.   

[RedDelicious]

10 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

They just have to raise enough questions in the jury's mind to wonder if Josh really did it.

Isn’t that what I said? 

[ozziemom]

Why am I not surprised that Derick is talking in legalese that is confusing? He has always been like that but he’s been to law school so now it’s even more confusing as to what he means. 

[BetyBee]

We could have a verdict today! Certainly we will by tomorrow. I've been disappointed and pleased with jury decisions in my lifetime, so I won't be terribly surprised either way. However, if Josh is found not guilty by this jury, I do predict that this will not be his last brush with the law. What I have learned from this trial is that Josh will re-offend. This is who he is. I just hope he's removed from polite society one of these days and that his family accepts that. They can love him despite his demons. But they need to stop trying to keep him free, because he is a danger to society's most vulnerable, imo. 

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

We could have a verdict today! Certainly we will by tomorrow. I've been disappointed and pleased with jury decisions in my lifetime, so I won't be terribly surprised either way. However, if Josh is found not guilty by this jury, I do predict that this will not be his last brush with the law. What I have learned from this trial is that Josh will re-offend. This is who he is. I just hope he's removed from polite society one of these days and that his family accepts that. They can love him despite his demons. But they need to stop trying to keep him free, because he is a danger to society's most vulnerable, imo. 

👏🏽

[lascuba]

31 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

Why am I not surprised that Derick is talking in legalese that is confusing? He has always been like that but he’s been to law school so now it’s even more confusing as to what he means. 

He's doing that hyperspecific thing where he's stating the facts without giving his feelings on it. He's saying that the defense didn't show reasonable doubt, not that he thinks Josh is guilty.

[absnow54]

8 minutes ago, lascuba said:

He's doing that hyperspecific thing where he's stating the facts without giving his feelings on it. He's saying that the defense didn't show reasonable doubt, not that he thinks Josh is guilty.

But if he's claiming unreasonable doubt, and reasonable doubt is required to acquit, does that mean if he were a juror, he'd be compelled to vote guilty?

[RedDelicious]

There will always be a stark difference when you compare the parlance of any formally educated adult to that of those in the Duggar Family (as a generalization). I would hope and expect that with all of his degrees and certifications, Derick would speak clearly and intelligently from his own base of knowledge. Like him or dislike him, he has degrees and academic achievement in two very challenging fields. 

[GeeGolly]

Good sign. Playing a word game this morning - one of the words was FELON. 

[MsJamieDornan]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Good sign. Playing a word game this morning - one of the words was FELON. 

Was it piece of shit felon or just felon ?

[GeeGolly]

18 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

There will always be a stark difference when you compare the parlance of any formally educated adult to that of those in the Duggar Family (as a generalization). I would hope and expect that with all of his degrees and certifications, Derick would speak clearly and intelligently from his own base of knowledge. Like him or dislike him, he has degrees and academic achievement in two very challenging fields. 

I agree with this statement - to a degree. I have found academic achievement (or lack there of) doesn't always correlate with real world talent or success. There are plenty of lawyers, therapists, teachers, etc that suck. Many have no business even holding a job, never mind representing an entire profession.

We've yet to see how Derick does in the world of law. Maybe this is his thing. Maybe he'll be wildly talented and successful. Or maybe not.

[Minivanessa]

It's been a few decades since I tried a criminal case, but some things stick in my mind. One of them is the judge's instruction to the jury about reasonable doubt. The judge gives the jury a big reading of instructions just before they leave the courtroom to start their deliberations, including telling them what reasonable doubt means. I didn't try federal criminal cases but I found online this, which is supposed to be the standard instruction about reasonable doubt to be used by trial judges in the federal courts in the 8th Circuit (i.e., the court hearing Josh's case):

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Reasonable doubt is doubt based upon reason and common sense, and not doubt based on speculation. A reasonable doubt may arise from careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or from a lack of evidence. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof of such a convincing character that a reasonable person, after careful consideration, would not hesitate to rely and act upon that proof in life's most important decisions. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof that leaves you firmly convinced of the defendant's guilt. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean proof beyond all possible doubt.

Just for fun I looked up the Colorado state court instruction which is what I heard so many times as a public defender. I kind of like it better and to my surprise I remember it well. This isn't what the judge will tell Josh's jury but I think it's helpful to keep in mind:

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Reasonable doubt means a doubt based upon reason and common sense which arises from a fair and rational consideration of all of the evidence, or the lack of evidence, in the case. It is a doubt which is not a vague, speculative or imaginary doubt, but such a doubt as would cause reasonable people to hesitate to act in matters of importance to themselves.

So yeah when Derick said "unreasonable doubt" he was, in a sideways way, saying that you'd have to be out in the realms of speculation to think the prosecution hadn't proved its case against Josh. As @merylinkid said, like thinking well maybe martians landed at the car lot and did it. 

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[irisheyes]

11 hours ago, hathorlive said:

I think my router is plotting in concert with my beagles to kill me and raid the fridge.

I’m pretty sure my cats are working with the Xfinity gateway to keep us all under their spell. 😹😹

[MsJamieDornan]

Quote

JUST NOW

'Praying for justice'

Derick Dillard, Jill (Duggar) Dillard's husband, tweeted on Wednesday morning ahead of the trial that he is "praying for justice this morning."

From the Sun

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[libgirl2]

I wonder what Anna will wear. 

[smittykins]

12 hours ago, babyhouseman said:

I'm not surprised Michelle wasn't there. She always looks like she's ready to crack with the smile and crazy eyes. She'd break down. And you know she's working hard at home homeschooling the children on perpendicular. 

“Bankruptcy isn’t like going to a bank…”

[CouchTater]

Can anyone tell me why the cop who “helped” teen Josh received a 40-year sentence (I think), and Josh may get up to 20? Is it because you of more counts? Or different/worse crimes? I guess the only thing worse would be hands-on abuse. 

[RedDelicious]

33 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree with this statement - to a degree. I have found academic achievement (or lack there of) doesn't always correlate with real world talent or success. There are plenty of lawyers, therapists, teachers, etc that suck. Many have no business even holding a job, never mind representing an entire profession.

We've yet to see how Derick does in the world of law. Maybe this is his thing. Maybe he'll be wildly talented and successful. Or maybe not.

Well that’s true, but I laid no claim to Derick’s success or lack thereof in his professional employment. 

My point was that he had the brains to complete his degrees and certifications, therefore I would expect him to speak intelligently as one with his formal education might. 

I like that he took the opportunity to be present for the entire trial. I’m confident it was a valuable experience. 

I love that as @lascuba said, he offered his opinion without expressing his personal feelings on the matter.

[Churchhoney]

11 minutes ago, CouchTater said:

Can anyone tell me why the cop who “helped” teen Josh received a 40-year sentence (I think), and Josh may get up to 20? Is it because you of more counts? Or different/worse crimes? I guess the only thing worse would be hands-on abuse. 

Having any hand in creation of the media or distribution of it are also worse. Plus, you get more time if you're already a felon for any other reason.

There are a fair number of rungs to the downward ladder.  

[iwantcookies]

Dear Jury, please send golden penis Josh to prison. The world would be safer if Josh is in jail…

Thanks, Cookie.

[ginger90]

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Wow

[Minivanessa]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Almost twenty years too late, Jim, but I suppose late is better than never.

[iwantcookies]

21 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I wonder what Anna will wear. 

Same. 

[MMEButterfly]

24 minutes ago, CouchTater said:

Can anyone tell me why the cop who “helped” teen Josh received a 40-year sentence (I think), and Josh may get up to 20? Is it because you of more counts? Or different/worse crimes? I guess the only thing worse would be hands-on abuse. 

I missed this information. Could someone catch me up about this cop?

Edited December 8, 2021 by MMEButterfly

[iwantcookies]

3 minutes ago, MMEButterfly said:

I missed this information. Could someone catch me up about this cop?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/05/28/jim-bob-duggar-state-trooper-josh-duggar-fondling-sex-abuse/28058841/

[Minivanessa]

4 minutes ago, MMEButterfly said:

I missed this information. Could someone catch me yup about this cop?

Back in the early 00's when Josh's molestations were revealed to his parents, JB sent Josh to have a supposedly helpful talk with a law enforcement officer who was a friend of the family. Note, this wasn't REPORTING the molestations, it was all on the private and downlow, between friends. At some later time, I think by the time Joshgate broke in 2015, that former LEO was doing prison time for charges involving either child sexual assault or CSA materials, I never knew the deets. ETA: I posted simultaneously with @iwantcookies, who has the receipts.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Jeeves

[MMEButterfly]

1 minute ago, Jeeves said:

Back in the early 00's when Josh's molestations were revealed to his parents, JB sent Josh to have a supposedly helpful talk with a law enforcement officer who was a friend of the family. Note, this wasn't REPORTING the molestations, it was all on the private and downlow, between friends. At some later time, I think by the time Joshgate broke in 2015, that former LEO was doing prison time for charges involving either child sexual assault or CSA materials, I never knew the deets. 

Thank you. I'd forgotten him.

[absnow54]

Jill is there today!

[RedDelicious]

16 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

[MMEButterfly]

9 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Here's a 2015 piece of the Daily Fail that pretty much sums it up -- 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102655/The-sickening-pedophile-crimes-Duggars-state-trooper-friend-failed-properly-investigate-eldest-son-Josh-molestation-young-girls.html

Revealed: The sickening pedophile crimes of the Duggars' state trooper friend who failed to properly investigate eldest son Josh for his molestation of young girls
Joseph Hutchens was imprisoned on child pornography charges in 2007
Newly-released court papers reveal sickening details of trooper's crimes
He operated Yahoo adult profile with the handle 'dadsluv2002', on which he showed interest in child porn categories like 'Kinki Kids' and 'Babyz'
Told female user to 'role play she was a little girl having sex with daddy'
He also pleasured himself over images of girls aged two, three and 12
And he had photos of friend's daughter and his own relative on camera
Hutchens was imprisoned for five years, then freed, but went back to prison in 2010 for similar offenses; he is now serving 56-year sentence
In 2003, Jim Bob Duggar took son Josh to speak to him at police station
But Hutchens did not properly investigate the teen's molestation of girls
By SOPHIE JANE EVANS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 

PUBLISHED: 12:33 EST, 29 May 2015 | UPDATED: 15:27 EST, 29 May 2015

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He was imprisoned on child pornography charges in 2007 - just four years after he had failed to properly investigate his friend Jim Bob Duggar's son Josh for molesting young girls in their sleep. 

Now, the sickening details of former Arksansas state trooper Joseph Hutchens's offenses have emerged, including how he had pornographic photos of one of his own relatives on his camera.

According to new explosive court documents, Hutchens operated a Yahoo adult profile using the handle 'dadsluv2002', on which he claimed to be interested in a number of disturbing categories.

These included the child porn categories 'Preschools', 'Kinki Kids', 'Child's Play Series', 'Strangers With Candy' and 'Babyz', and incest-themed ones like 'Family Affairs', Radar Online reported.

He visited the website hundreds of times, and admitted communicating with a woman, dubbed 'Miss Understood', whom he instructed to 'role play that she was a little girl having sex with daddy'. 

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Joseph Hutchens (pictured) was jailed on child pornography charges in 2007 - just four years after he had failed to properly investigate his friend Jim Bob Duggar's son Josh for molesting young girls in their sleep    +13
Josh is pictured with his wife, Anna, who is pregnant with their fourth child    +13
Disgraced state trooper: Joseph Hutchens (left) was jailed on child pornography charges in 2007 - just four years after he had failed to properly investigate his friend Jim Bob Duggar's son Josh for molesting young girls in their sleep. Right, Josh is seen in February with his wife, Anna, who is pregnant with their fourth child

Details: Now, the sickening details of Hutchens's offenses have emerged, including how he used a Yahoo profile named 'dadsluv2002' and targeted 'prepubescent' kids. Above, the new explosive court documents    +13
Details: Now, the sickening details of Hutchens's offenses have emerged, including how he used a Yahoo profile named 'dadsluv2002' and targeted 'prepubescent' kids. Above, the new explosive court documents

On the site, he also listed his hobbies as 'putting fat objects into small holes', cited his favorite quote as 'Everything I enjoy is either illegal, immoral or fattening', and listed his marital status as 'married'.

During 2004 and 2005 - when a police inquiry was launched into Hutchens's behavior - he 'spent considerable time on his computer viewing porn', say other court documents, obtained by Jezebel.

He specifically focused on 'prepubescent children' engaging in sexual activity - and even admitted to police that he had pleasured himself over pornographic images of girls aged two, three, 12 and 13.

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When officials examined a computer in Hutchens's office, they apparently found at least 37 photos of young children 'engaging in deviate sexual activity. Next, they looked at the cop's digital camera.

On the device, they found shocking images of a family friend's young daughter - and one of Hutchens's own relatives, which are thought to have then been posted online, Radar reported.

'It is believed that this Digital Camera was used to take the pictures of the small children which we believe were posted on Joe Hutchens’ Yahoo account,' investigator Chris Sparks said. 

Shocking: Hutchens used his Yahoo profile hundreds of times, and admitted communicating with a woman, dubbed 'Miss Understood', whom he instructed to 'role play that she was a little girl having sex with daddy'
Shocking: Hutchens used his Yahoo profile hundreds of times, and admitted communicating with a woman, dubbed 'Miss Understood', whom he instructed to 'role play that she was a little girl having sex with daddy'

Guilty: In January 2007, Hutchens pleaded guilty to eight felony counts of possessing visual or print medium depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child. Above, another section of the disturbing court papers    +13
Guilty: In January 2007, Hutchens pleaded guilty to eight felony counts of possessing visual or print medium depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child. Above, another section of the disturbing court papers

The disgraced state trooper (pictured, in his 2007 mugshot) spent three years in prison, before being released in 2010    +13
Years earlier, in 2003, Hutchens had spoken with Josh about his molestation of young girls at Arkansas State Police Station (pictured) in Little Rock    +13
Jailed: The disgraced state trooper (left, in his 2007 mugshot) spent three years in prison, before being released in 2010. But shortly after his release, he was arrested again. Years earlier, in 2003, Hutchens had spoken with Jim Bob and Josh about Josh's molestation of minors at Arkansas State Police Station (right)

In January 2007, Hutchens pleaded guilty to eight felony counts of possessing visual or print medium depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child, and was jailed for five years.

The disgraced state trooper spent three years in prison, before being released in 2010. 

But shortly after his release, he was arrested again and charged with four counts of distribution, possession or viewing of sexually explicit material involving a child, according to Radar Online.

In May 2012, he was sentenced to 56 years in prison. He will be eligible for parole in 2020.

The disturbing new details come just days after it was reported that Hutchens had claimed Jim Bob had lied to him about his eldest son Josh's actions when he brought him to speak to him in 2003.

Hutchens, whom the Duggars considered a friend, said the father-of-19 brought Josh to the Arkansas State Police station at 1 State Police Plaza Drive in Little Rock to speak to him. 

But instead of admitting his son had inappropriately touched several girls over a year - as detailed in a 2006 police report released last week - Jim Bob said he had molested only one, he said. 

Family: The new details come just days after it was reported that Hutchens had claimed Jim Bob had lied to him about his eldest son Josh's actions during the 2003 meeting. Above, Josh, Anna and their children    +13
Family: The new details come just days after it was reported that Hutchens had claimed Jim Bob had lied to him about his eldest son Josh's actions during the 2003 meeting. Above, Josh, Anna and their children

'Lies': Hutchens said Jim Bob (pictured, left, with his wife Michelle) had lied to him, saying his son had only inappropriately touched one girl - not five, as detailed in a 2006 police report released last week. Right, Josh is seen in one of his family's shows in 2003, the same year that several girls alleged he had molested them    +13
'Jim Bob explained to me that Josh inappropriately touched [a victim] while she was asleep,' Hutchens said in an interview for InTouch Magazine . 'He said it only happened one time.'    +13
'Lies': Hutchens said Jim Bob (pictured, left, with his wife Michelle) had lied to him, saying his son had only inappropriately touched one girl - not five, as detailed in a 2006 police report released last week. Right, Josh is seen in one of his family's shows in 2003, the same year that several girls alleged that he had molested them

'Jim Bob explained to me that Josh inappropriately touched [a victim] while she was asleep,' Hutchens said in an interview for InTouch Magazine. 'He said it only happened one time.'

The prison inmate added: 'Jim Bob sat down and Josh was crying. He said he touched [a victim] through her clothing... [They said] the girl was asleep and didn't know anything had happened.

'They also told me that the pastor had already been involved.' 

Last week, it was revealed that Jim Bob, 49, and Michelle, 47, informed some of the elders at their church about Josh's actions in 2003, before sending their son away to a faith-based healing facility.

But aside from Jim Bob's meeting with Hutchens, they did not inform authorities. The molestation scandal only came to light after an anonymous email was sent to Oprah Winfrey's team in 2006.

During the interview for InTouch Magazine's June 8 edition, Hutchens admitted that his decision not to report Josh's actions to the Child Abuse Hotline - as required by law - was 'not the right one'.

He said that the underage victim that he was told about during his 2003 meeting with the 19 Kids and Counting stars, and two other unidentified people, 'should have been my first priority'. 

All the gang: Jim Bob Duggar, his wife Michelle and their 19 children are seen at the Extra studios last year    +13
All the gang: Last week, it was revealed that Jim Bob, 49, and Michelle, 47, informed some of the elders at their church about Josh's actions in 2003, before sending their son away to a faith-based healing facility. Above, the couple are pictured with their children at the 'Extra' studios in Times Square, New York, in March last year

JOSH DUGGAR'S MOLESTATION OF MINORS
In March 2002, an unnamed minor said that Josh Duggar, then 14, 'had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept.'

He would admit to this a few months later in July, and a member of the family claims they had a meeting to discuss the incident.

Then, in March 2003, 'several' minors came forward to say that Josh had been touching them 'when they sleep,' leading to his father Jim Bob holding another family meeting and deciding to speak with elders at the family's church about the offenses.

It was suggested that Josh should enter a treatment program, at which point he spent four months in Little Rock, Arkansas helping a family friend remodel a building.

Upon his return, Jim Bob informed those aware of the situation that Josh had received counseling and took him to a family friend who was a state trooper to reveal what had occurred, resulting in the teenager getting a stern lecture but no formal report being filed by police.

By all accounts, the offenses stopped and Josh apologized to the victim, but some time in 2006 an individual in the church who had borrowed a book from the Duggars found a note detailing Josh's molestation of minors.

That person then sent that information in an email to The Oprah Winfrey Show shortly before the Duggars were set to appear, and they in turn notified authorities who began conducted an investigation.

Jim Bob and Michelle along with all the victims were interviewed, though Josh was made unavailable to speak by his parents and no charges were pursued in the end as the statute of limitations had by that point run out.

He added that he has 'lost lots of sleep' over his decision, saying: 'I am a Christian myself and I worry that if something else had happened [after the meeting], I would have been responsible.' 

However, he said that at the police station in Little Rock, Jim Bob had made it out to be only a 'one-time incident'. This, he said, had persuaded him to give Josh a 'stern warning' and then let him go.

Speaking to InTouch Magazine, criminal defense attorney Carmen Roberto, of Ohio, said that Jim Bob's alleged lies could be considered child endangerment, if Hutchens's account is correct.

It is believed that the digital camera was used to take the pictures of the small children which we believe were posted on Joe Hutchens's Yahoo Account
Investigator Chris Sparks 
Hutchens was interviewed at Wrightsville Hawkins Unit, south of Little Rock, Arkansas, by a local law firm employee on behalf of the magazine. He was told his interview was part of an investigation.

Last Thursday, the 2006 police report was released into the public domain. It states that in March 2002, a girl came forward saying Josh 'had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept.' 

Shortly after, Josh - who now has three children of his own, and another on the way, with his wife Anna - admitted his actions to his parents. 

At the time, the Christian family had a meeting, but did not inform the authorities.

A year later, 'several' more minors came forward to say that Josh had touched them, and the teen was sent away to the Basic Life Principles Training Center in Little Rock, Arkansas, for treatment.

It was also in 2003 that Jim Bob, Josh and Hutchens met at Arkansas State Police station.

Authorities only became aware of Josh's actions in 2006 after Oprah Winfrey's production team alerted them to the email they had been sent warning the host about the molestation scandal

The scandal became public knowledge last Thursday when the police report accusing Josh of molestation was obtained by InTouch Magazine - prompting Josh to confirm the sordid claims.  

Happy family snap: Michelle and Jim, Bob beam head out to vote in the latter's 2002 run for a seat in the US Senate with their children. Just months earlier, Josh, now aged 27, had admitted to molesting young girls    +13
Happy family snap: Michelle and Jim, Bob beam head out to vote in the latter's 2002 run for a seat in the US Senate with their children. Just months earlier, Josh, now aged 27, had admitted to molesting young girls

Family: Josh (center) stands beside his mother (far left) as he and his daughter are interviewed on 'Extra'    +13
Family: Josh (center) stands beside his mother (far left) as he and his daughter are interviewed on 'Extra'

The police report detailed Josh's molestation of five minors in 2002 and 2003. 

He was never charged with a crime for the incidents as by the time police learned of the offenses the statue of limitations had passed, and his parents did not notify authorities in an official capacity. 

'A technicality prevented any further action,' a source told InTouch Magazine last week.

Last week, the father-of-three, who is now aged 27 and married to his wife, Anna, issued a public apology for his actions as a teenager, admitting that he had 'acted inexcusably'.

Following the revelations concerning Josh's molestation of young girls, General Mills said it had 'blacklisted' the TLC show, 19 Kids and Counting, and removed it from its advertising schedule.

Payless Shoesource Inc and Choice Hotels International Inc have since done the same.  

And last Friday, TLC pulled the show from its schedule. The move came one day after the network decided to run a marathon of the show that heavily featured Josh, which had outraged fans.  

Over for good? TLC  pulled 19 Kids and Counting off its schedule on May 22 following the revelation that Josh molested young girls as a teenager. Did TLC executives ask why the Duggar appearance was cancelled? Or did the network know? If they did, they aren't acknowledging it now. Above, the family in a show advert    +13
Over for good? TLC pulled 19 Kids and Counting off its schedule on May 22 following the revelation that Josh molested young girls as a teenager. Did TLC executives ask why the Duggar appearance was cancelled? Or did the network know? If they did, they aren't acknowledging it now. Above, the family in a show advert

TLC is yet to comment on the program's long-term future. It is also yet to address queries over how TLC executives were apparently unaware of Josh's molestation claims following the Oprah incident. 

The network has also pulled the Duggars from its Summer Block Party event, which is due to take place on Saturday, May 30 Philly.com reported.

The family had originally been slated to appear at the event, which features a number of network stars and is open and free to the public - and had even appeared on the party's official poster. 

Last Friday night, Arkansas police confirmed that they had destroyed the report on Josh after one of his victims came forward and requested the document be expunged from public record.

The girl told a judge she feared her name would be released and she was still a minor. The judge agreed and signed off to have the report into the nine-year-old investigation destroyed.

On Thursday, the popular streaming service Hulu pulled 19 Kids and Counting off its website. 

TLC'S CHILD MOLESTER PROBLEM
The Duggar child molestation scandal is just the latest in a long line of incidents involving inappropriate behavior by a TLC star with a minor. 

 -Here Comes Honey Boo Boo: The show was cancelled last year after photos emerged of star June Shannon, better known as Mama June, with her ex Mark McDaniel. McDaniel had just been released from jail at the time after serving time for molesting an 8-year-old girl. That girl was one of Shannon's daughters.

-Sons of Guns: Gunsmith and former Marine Will Hayden was charged with raping a 12-year-old girl in 2014, forcing TLC to quickly cancel the reality show. That girl was revealed to be his own daughter, and shortly after his other daughter came forward she too had been raped by Hayden when she was 12-years-old. He is currently awaiting trial.

-Cheer Perfection: Another reality the network had to cancel following a scandal, this time involving mother Andrea Clevenger who received two 10 year prison sentences when she was found guilty of having multiple sexual encounters with a boy in 2013 who was just 13. 

-Cake Boss: Remigio Gonzalez, who was married to the sister of the show's title character Buddy Valastro, received nine years in prison in 2012 after he sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl. While he did appear on that show, by the time these charges were brought against him he was no longer a character on the program.

Just wow! And this is the man Jim Bob used to counsel his teenage son. I can't imagine worse judgment. Why would anyone (including fundies) trust Jim Bob for anything including being a state senator?

Edited December 8, 2021 by MMEButterfly

[Dianaofthehunt]

I need to be posting items on Poshmark to make some much-needed cash; instead I’m haunting this site and Reddit/Snark by the second. 
The only way to make the verdict come in is to go about my day in a realistic manner, I’m sorry to admit.
Guess I’ll shower and get dressed now.
But…about various Duggars “praying” for justice: don’t they realize the verdict is in the hands of the JURY only? What makes the clan think their incantations could sway the outcome?

[iwantcookies]

20 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Better late than never!

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

I need to be posting items on Poshmark to make some much-needed cash; instead I’m haunting this site and Reddit/Snark by the second. 
The only way to make the verdict come in is to go about my day in a realistic manner, I’m sorry to admit.
Guess I’ll shower and get dressed now.
But…about various Duggars “praying” for justice: don’t they realize the verdict is in the hands of the JURY only? What makes the clan think their incantations could sway the outcome?

Well, I'm praying for guilty! 

[SusanM]

1 minute ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

What makes the clan think their incantations could sway the outcome?

These are the same people who have decided to believe that Josh has been taken over by Satan.  If they weren't fundies they'd be wearing tinfoil hats and claiming Josh was being controlled by Martians.

[MMEButterfly]

3 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

I need to be posting items on Poshmark to make some much-needed cash; instead I’m haunting this site and Reddit/Snark by the second. 
The only way to make the verdict come in is to go about my day in a realistic manner, I’m sorry to admit.
Guess I’ll shower and get dressed now.
But…about various Duggars “praying” for justice: don’t they realize the verdict is in the hands of the JURY only? What makes the clan think their incantations could sway the outcome?

Umm, I might be praying for a guilty verdict. 

[ginger90]

 

I think it was a good choice for Jill to attend today. I hope it’s true for her afterwards.

[Lindsay Loo Hoo]

Members of the family including Jim Bob Duggar and Derick Dillard were seen at the courthouse.

Additionally, Jill (Duggar) Dillard was spotted walking in and sitting by her husband, Derick. She has not attended the trial before Wednesday.