Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[quarks]

7 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Once Josh is locked up [fingers crossed] I’m guessing that’ll be the end of the Reber connection. The Mrs. Reber will not only have the Thing out of her way, but Anna and accompanying ankle biters, too. Mr. Reber must rarely be home; surely he’s gotten wind of how hated Thing must be in that household.

Except that the Reber father does prison ministry, so might well feel called to visit Josh in prison, and the daughter of the Rebers is marrying Anna's brother.

So, alas, I don't think the Rebers are going to be able to get out of this connection entirely. 

[Dianaofthehunt]

Oh, hell, quarks, I forgot about the misbegotten wedding. 
All the more reason for The Thing to be sent to a far away prison (would New Zealand do? Heh) The last thing he needs is more exposure to the Gothard poison in the form of prison “ministry.”

[SusanM]

53 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

Just a little over a month until his trial starts- I do wonder if underneath that smug exterior he is really starting to panic.

Unless he's a sociopath (if that's the term I want) he must be worried.  Well I say this but then I conjure up that face in my mind's eye and realize maybe he really is just so damn cocky that he figures he is untouchable.

[Tikichick]

On 10/21/2021 at 10:17 PM, Zella said:

I understand that. My question is if the number of charges is linked to the number of files. Would he have 2 counts of possession if he had over a certain amount or not? Or is the act of possession always going to yield one federal count of possession, regardless of whether he's being officially charged with possessing 3 or 65 or 500 files?  

Looking at the elements under the specific federal statutes that he is charged with may give some answers.   The AG or the official responsible for deciding what the charges will be in each case also has the discretion to how the charges are brought.   It's likely the decision is made according to what is expected to directly yield conviction resulting in what they consider to be a likely sentence that fits within the expected range.

In the case of an assaultive crime there are times where an entire incident can be charged as a single crime and other times where specific individual acts within the incident are charged as separate crimes.   Sometimes those decisions come down to things like specific actions that resulted in more grievous injury, such as a victim losing partial or total sight in an eye; or potentially some specific type of action that can be definitively shown to cause a victim to be put into a heightened state of fear, etc.   If the prosecutor thinks it will be straightforward enough to break down some of the individual actions and/or injuries in a way that will be clear for the jury to understand they may elect to proceed with multiple charges.   If they expect that the jury will potentially struggle to differentiate why or how this blow was different from the dozen other blows that the defendant also delivered and aren't part of this charge they may elect to stick with fewer counts being easier for the jury to convict.   Sometimes multiple charges are also ultimately consolidated or reduced as part of a plea agreement and prosecutors anticipate that from the outset in order to have better bargaining leverage.

Evidence in cases like Josh's is tedious and confusing simply because of the technical minutiae.   The prosecution no doubt has thought long and hard about the best way to  present everything to the jury in the tidiest and most compact package possible.   Get in and get out with the result of X timeframe where they know for sure a predator can't engage in victimizing anyone because he will be behind bars

[Kellyee]

I still think there will be a last minute plea deal.

[CandyCaneTree]

Now Tuff Topic on YouTube is saying that there is a good chance that Smuggar will get off scott free.where do they get their bullshit information from?

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

Now Tuff Topic on YouTube is saying that there is a good chance that Smuggar will get off scott free.where do they get their bullshit information from?

Isn't that the youtuber who had a video saying Jessa had already bought a great big house but wouldn't be closing the deal for a few months -- all apparently based on having found a home listing for NW Arkansas that showed a room with that white patterned rug of Jessa's (and Jingle's?) on the floor? 

So I guess the answer -- Their bullshit emerges from the deranged imagination of people trying desperately to get clicks. 

It's either -- "he'll get 40 years!!" or "he'll get off scot-free!" ... We all find it more exciting to click on extremes, I guess. 

[BigBingerBro]

Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar Kept Josh’s Secrets For Years Before Arrest?

FAMILY SHAME Josh Duggar jokes with brothers in younger sibling Justin’s wedding video just WEEKS before child pornography arrest

[Dianaofthehunt]

How none of these crumbums have contracted COVID is a mystery to me.

Okay, back to the topic at hand!

[Ohiopirate02]

23 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar Kept Josh’s Secrets For Years Before Arrest?

FAMILY SHAME Josh Duggar jokes with brothers in younger sibling Justin’s wedding video just WEEKS before child pornography arrest

Who's the source on these?

[CandyCaneTree]

Take this with a grain of salt but YouTube is saying that people have seen SmugAnna with a newborn wearing a big bow headband. 

[libgirl2]

22 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

How none of these crumbums have contracted COVID is a mystery to me.

Okay, back to the topic at hand!

I'm sure they did, but we would never hear about it. 

2 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

Take this with a grain of salt but YouTube is saying that people have seen SmugAnna with a newborn wearing a big bow headband. 

They do like those big bows! 

Edited October 29, 2021 by libgirl2

[Gemma Violet]

9 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

Take this with a grain of salt but YouTube is saying that people have seen SmugAnna with a newborn wearing a big bow headband. 

It could be true.  I just read somewhere that someone saw Anna with a deflated tummy.  

[irisheyes]

We’ll know soon enough. Cause you know she’ll be right there doing her part as a good wife once the trial starts. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by irisheyes

[CandyCaneTree]

If you go on Facebook Duggar Family Official and scroll down Blob said that he has 22 grandchildren. 

[woodscommaelle]

6 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

They do like those big bows! 

We like big bows, and we cannot lie. 🎀😉

[emmawoodhouse]

4 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

If you go on Facebook Duggar Family Official and scroll down Blob said that he has 22 grandchildren. 

I'll take your word for it. 😁

[JoanArc]

22 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

If you go on Facebook Duggar Family Official and scroll down Blob said that he has 22 grandchildren. 

Jill’s third ‘baby’.

[emmawoodhouse]

6 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Jill’s third ‘baby’.

Nah, otherwise the number would be much higher what with counting Annabell, Asa, whatever Jinger called hers, and Jessa's. 

And they haven't counted Katey's either. 

[Ljohnson1987]

I'm sure MyDaddyIsGuilty Duggar is already here. 

[CandyCaneTree]

On 10/28/2021 at 11:31 AM, Kellyee said:

I still think there will be a last minute plea deal.

He will never plea. Remember that he didn't do anything wrong. All he did was look at pictures and no kids were harmed and hurt just by looking.  

[GeeGolly]

Magnolia Jaime-Anne (tte) Duggar. 😁

 

[Ljohnson1987]

Mercy would be the most timely name right now. But who knows what they chose? 

[Chicklet]

I'm guessing Mea Culpa Duggar is out then?

[kaleidoscope]

With M7 probably here, I am totally shocked by something JRod has not done.  She has not told the world the news.  I'm wondering if the Kellers told her to keep quiet about anything related to Anna.  If so, when has that ever stopped JRod?

[Zella]

53 minutes ago, kaleidoscope said:

With M7 probably here, I am totally shocked by something JRod has not done.  She has not told the world the news.  I'm wondering if the Kellers told her to keep quiet about anything related to Anna.  If so, when has that ever stopped JRod?

I think there's been speculation that JRod and Anna had a falling-out around the time of Nurie's wedding. Falling-out may imply there was more of a preexisting relationship than there was, actually. But there was some following and unfollowing of each other--others will remember this better than me--and I don't recall that she's had much to say about Anna since. In any event, if she's in Jill's doghouse, Jill probably thinks she's punishing Anna by not talking about her. 

[irisheyes]

50 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think there's been speculation that JRod and Anna had a falling-out around the time of Nurie's wedding. Falling-out may imply there was more of a preexisting relationship than there was, actually. But there was some following and unfollowing of each other--others will remember this better than me--and I don't recall that she's had much to say about Anna since. In any event, if she's in Jill's doghouse, Jill probably thinks she's punishing Anna by not talking about her. 

Jill may also be climbing up on her judgement seat about the Duggars. She probably thinks that Josh’s charges are punishment from God because the Duggars aren’t  sufficiently fundie for her anymore. Remember, Jill goes into heart palpitations over women wearing anything other than long skirts. Those Duggar girls have gotten quite sluttish for her. 

[Minivanessa]

22 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

Jill may also be climbing up on her judgement seat about the Duggars. She probably thinks that Josh’s charges are punishment from God because the Duggars aren’t  sufficiently fundie for her anymore. Remember, Jill goes into heart palpitations over women wearing anything other than long skirts. Those Duggar girls have gotten quite sluttish for her. 

True. But then, the Kellers have kids who have completely left the fundie life. Some of Nathan's sibs have done "worse" than not observing the JillR 1990's edition of acceptably righteous clothing styles. Including IIRC at least one child born out of wedlock and a divorce. No Duggarling has crossed those lines (yet). Yet JillR posts warmly (if not very often) about the Kellers.

I think it's a matter of Anna having given Jill the cold shoulder around or shortly after the time of Nathan's wedding. If JillR had any kind of decent relationship with Anna, she'd find a way to work it to her (JillR's) advantage. Her radio silence I think is not just a matter of Jill writing off the Duggars as not fundie enough. Remember, JillR angered the Duggars by twice publicizing details of upcoming Duggar weddings despite her invitation stating to keep it private - and she was still excited when Nurie landed ANNA DUGGAR'S BROTHER.

Edited October 31, 2021 by Jeeves

[Dianaofthehunt]

59 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

Jill may also be climbing up on her judgement seat about the Duggars. She probably thinks that Josh’s charges are punishment from God because the Duggars aren’t  sufficiently fundie for her anymore. Remember, Jill goes into heart palpitations over women wearing anything other than long skirts

What? This isn’t Jill. Haven’t we seen her in jeans and other normal clothes? I thought she and the not-yet attorney do a “lite”-er version of fundy. If I’m on the wrong track, put me right.

[Churchhoney]

12 minutes ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

What? This isn’t Jill. Haven’t we seen her in jeans and other normal clothes? I thought she and the not-yet attorney do a “lite”-er version of fundy. If I’m on the wrong track, put me right.

I believe you're thinking of Jill Duggar (Dillard), and not Jill Rodrigues, maybe? 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Dianaofthehunt]

Oh! Sorry…I didn’t know there was a Jill Rodrigues. No wonder “JillRod” threw me for a loop. Thanks for the clarification. Carry on!

[Ljohnson1987]

I wonder if JimBob had to threaten JillRod with a lawsuit if she spilled the beans of M7's birth. 

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I wonder if JimBob had to threaten JillRod with a lawsuit if she spilled the beans of M7's birth. 

I think he has bigger fish to fry right now when it comes to josh.

Edited October 31, 2021 by Zella

[Albanyguy]

3 hours ago, kaleidoscope said:

With M7 probably here, I am totally shocked by something JRod has not done.  She has not told the world the news.  I'm wondering if the Kellers told her to keep quiet about anything related to Anna.  If so, when has that ever stopped JRod?

Assuming the baby arrived while Jill was hanging out in Florida, Mrs. Keller may have decided not to say anything to anyone until Jill was safely on the road back to Ohio. I would hazard a guess that Mrs. Keller doesn't have any more liking or respect for Jill than the Duggars do.

2 hours ago, irisheyes said:

She probably thinks that Josh’s charges are punishment from God because the Duggars aren’t  sufficiently fundie for her anymore.

More likely a punishment from God because the Duggars haven't been sufficently friendly and welcoming to her. 

[GeeGolly]

I'm sure Anna, JB and Michelle would like nothing better than to share the news of the latest M & M. Every once in a while they are wise enough to show a little discretion. 

[Tdoc72]

37 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Assuming the baby arrived while Jill was hanging out in Florida, Mrs. Keller may have decided not to say anything to anyone until Jill was safely on the road back to Ohio. I would hazard a guess that Mrs. Keller doesn't have any more liking or respect for Jill than the Duggars do.

 

Yes but shouldn’t Nurie have told BME Jill during one of their two hour talks?

[Snow Fairy]

5 hours ago, CandyCaneTree said:

He will never plea. Remember that he didn't do anything wrong. All he did was look at pictures and no kids were harmed and hurt just by looking.  

This got me thinking. If there are people that say that, they were just looking and no one was harmed, how do they justify that the people making those pictures and videos are really harming children?

How can you say that you just watched the abuse happen,but it is ok because you were just watching and not doing anything?

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Oh! Sorry…I didn’t know there was a Jill Rodrigues. No wonder “JillRod” threw me for a loop. Thanks for the clarification. Carry on!

My pleasure. No need to apologize! You can't tell the players without a program! 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

34 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

Yes but shouldn’t Nurie have told BME Jill during one of their two hour talks?

Perhaps this is one of those tiny but extremely welcome hints that Nurie's eyes may be opening ever so slightly to the possibility of putting at least a millimeter of distance between her positions and those of BME. 

[emmawoodhouse]

38 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

Yes but shouldn’t Nurie have told BME Jill during one of their two hour talks?

I imagine Nurie hasn't gotten a word in edgewise since Jill went home. It's likely been all about Jill's SEVERELY injured knee. 

Nemo who?

[CandyCaneTree]

48 minutes ago, Snow Fairy said:

This got me thinking. If there are people that say that, they were just looking and no one was harmed, how do they justify that the people making those pictures and videos are really harming children?

How can you say that you just watched the abuse happen,but it is ok because you were just watching and not doing anything?

This is what the fundies who I know have said to me. 

[emmawoodhouse]

9 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

This is what the fundies who I know have said to me. 

So, CP is actually better than the evil that is adult porn? Who thinks like that? 

[EVS]

2 hours ago, Dianaofthehunt said:

Oh! Sorry…I didn’t know there was a Jill Rodrigues. No wonder “JillRod” threw me for a loop. Thanks for the clarification. Carry on!

If you are ever bored and have a few hours, check her out. She is crazy even by fundie standards, not to mention a raging narcissist. Her daughter married Anna Duggar’s brother, Nathan. 
 

[quarks]

13 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I wonder if JimBob had to threaten JillRod with a lawsuit if she spilled the beans of M7's birth. 

Well, from the Duggar point of view, it might not be a bad idea for JillR or another semi-Duggar adjacent to announce/mention M7, with a name.  That way, the word is out there, ending the speculation/questions, and Anna can maintain her social media silence.

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, quarks said:

Well, from the Duggar point of view, it might not be a bad idea for JillR or another semi-Duggar adjacent to announce/mention M7, with a name.  That way, the word is out there, ending the speculation/questions, and Anna can maintain her social media silence.

Yeah, if there's an announcement from the Duggars, it will likely come from DFO. Maybe Boob's recent acknowledgement of 22 grands was meant to be an announcement of sorts for anyone who is still counting.

[CandyCaneTree]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

So, CP is actually better than the evil that is adult porn? Who thinks like that? 

Not better but the fundies consider all points the same. 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, CandyCaneTree said:

Not better but the fundies consider all points the same. 

I know they consider all sins equal (which is stupid), but there is no difference between adult and child SEXUAL ABUSE in their world? That's sick.

[CandyCaneTree]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I know they consider all sins equal (which is stupid), but there is no difference between adult and child SEXUAL ABUSE in their world? That's sick.

No but when I lived among the fundies I was red and blue in the face arguing with them about this subject. 

[Snow Fairy]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

So, CP is actually better than the evil that is adult porn? Who thinks like that? 

Adults enjoying sex vs molested children. 

And the first one is sooo evil. Those people are not normal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[quarks]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, if there's an announcement from the Duggars, it will likely come from DFO. Maybe Boob's recent acknowledgement of 22 grands was meant to be an announcement of sorts for anyone who is still counting.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that whoever is running the DFO social media these days doesn't want to deal with the M7 announcement either.

Maybe if the M7 announcement can be immediately followed up by another cute baby announcement or an engagement/wedding announcement, and by immediately I mean literally five to fifteen minutes later, but probably not even then.