Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Panopticon]

1 minute ago, MargeGunderson said:

The Sun is reporting that Joy and one of the brothers (Jason) are there.

Lol, the Sun isn’t even trying to differentiate between the Howlers anymore. Joy gets identified by name, Jason is “one of her brothers.”

[ChiCricket]

17 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

The Sun is doing live updates.  Not a fan of the Sun but too curious to not keep checking it out.  

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/5409576/josh-duggar-sentencing-updates/

Me too. 

[Heathen]

11 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Some people are saying its because they don't have proof of vaccination that is required for a courthouse?

That's my guess. It's a federal courthouse so federal rules supplant Arkansas's policy. I don't think it has anything to do with hiding their faces. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Heathen

[Panopticon]

That’s a lot of eye makeup on Anna if she’s going to spend the day crying.

[Minivanessa]

From the Sun. Which bro is that?

[auntieminem]

Jason

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, Panopticon said:

Lol, the Sun isn’t even trying to differentiate between the Howlers anymore. Joy gets identified by name, Jason is “one of her brothers.”

I'd like it more if they reported "with elfin boy #3".

[Tuxcat]

1 minute ago, Jeeves said:

From the Sun. Which bro is that?

On reddit someone said Mr. Furley from threes company.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Tuxcat

[Zella]

Rule of thumb: If he's not distinct enough to be identified as a specific son, but he is clearly a Duggar, it's Jason. 🙃

[cereality]

I'm one of the litigators who has followed along here - totally forgot this was today. Do we have the sentencing memos - from Josh's side and from the gov't?

[Heathen]

Is Jason wearing a FLORAL SHIRT? I kind of expect him to start singing "Sweet Caroline." 

[Minivanessa]

1 minute ago, cereality said:

I'm one of the litigators who has followed along here - totally forgot this was today. Do we have the sentencing memos - from Josh's side and from the gov't?

They're on courtlistener - here. We've discussed them on this topic.

[3girlsforus]

44 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

From The Sun🙄

JUST NOW

Anna Duggar in good spirits

Anna Duggar was spotted in a blue dress with a jacket and looks "a lot blonder," according to the Sun reporter.

She was seen talking to a friend attending the proceedings as well and appeared to be in good spirits.

Maybe she's finally realizing all this time with him in jail is awesome

[GeeGolly]

Just now, Heathen said:

Is Jason wearing a FLORAL SHIRT? I kind of expect him to start singing "Sweet Caroline." 

Its the white belt that got me.

[Zella]

OMG Amy read her letter to the judge to The Sun, which diplomatically notes that her letter was not used by the prosecution. I just can't with this thirsty bitch. 

[hathorlive]

3 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

On reddit someone said Mr. Furley from threes company.

He's aging badly enough that it's kind of true.  The male Duggars are not an attractive lot.  

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Heathen said:

Is Jason wearing a FLORAL SHIRT? I kind of expect him to start singing "Sweet Caroline." 

He has some interesting picks for court clothes. One of my favorite things said about his getup last time was something along the lines of "Brother's got court at 12, but I've got a drug deal at 6." LMAO

[MargeGunderson]

Just now, Zella said:

OMG Amy read her letter to the judge to The Sun, which diplomatically notes that her letter was not used by the prosecution. I just can't with this thirsty bitch. 

It’s her last gasp at fame. In a few days she’s going to be even more irrelevant.

[Boston]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Its the white belt that got me.

Shades of Pat Boone

[Minivanessa]

I just saw that today the defense filed an additional letter of support for the defendant. It's from Denise Wilson, and as far as I can tell, she's the poor widow Josh helped that the other letter writers were were yakking about: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.157.1_1.pdf

[auntieminem]

I am surprised Jason is with Joy and not Austin who was at most of the trial. I so wish the Dillards would show up but I doubt that will happen as they are moving and he I guess is working now.  

[hathorlive]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

He has some interesting picks for court clothes. One of my favorite things said about his getup last time was something along the lines of "Brother's got court at 12, but I've got a drug deal at 6." LMAO

I can't tell if he's supposed to be pushing an ice cart in 1975 or if he's a Velvet Jones wanna be pimp.  

[Zella]

Just now, hathorlive said:

I can't tell if he's supposed to be pushing an ice cart in 1975 or if he's a Velvet Jones wanna be pimp.  

[hathorlive]

4 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

It’s her last gasp at fame. In a few days she’s going to be even more irrelevant.

At least someone related to the Duggar's is outraged at what he's done.  I'm glad she's speaking about the victims, which NONE of Josh's other letters writing supporters even thought about.  But yes, she's thirsty.

[CherryMalotte]

4 minutes ago, Boston said:

Shades of Pat Boone

Oh great, now I have Marty Robbins in my head singing 'A White Sport Coat (and a Pink Carnation)....

Hey, if this stretches into lunch that's good for me, we can meet up for sammiches.

[Boston]

1 minute ago, CherryMalotte said:

Oh great, now I have Marty Robbins in my head singing 'A White Sport Coat (and a Pink Carnation)....

Hey, if this stretches into lunch that's good for me, we can meet up for sammiches.

Almost lunchtime here.  I'll make the tater-tot casserole (with a side of hard liquor)

[Minivanessa]

This comment in Mrs. Wilson's letter of support for Josh just supports the prosecution's statement that the people around Josh seem to view his conviction as just something bad that happened to him. In this case I assume Mrs. Wilson in the highlighted phrase means the disclosures of the molestations, followed by his being outed as an Ashley Madison member and admitting to adultery - or maybe she also includes his conviction:

Instead of his bad deeds finding him out, he's just a poor victim who despite "all he had been through," has been helping a poor widow and her nine kids. 

This nonsense is enough to gag a maggot. I'm glad the defense piled on by adding this letter.

[merylinkid]

10 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I just saw that today the defense filed an additional letter of support for the defendant. It's from Denise Wilson, and as far as I can tell, she's the poor widow Josh helped that the other letter writers were were yakking about: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.157.1_1.pdf

Notice there is no specifics at to the amount he is giving.   Wanna bet that Josh never gave a dime, but she was persuaded it came from Josh and told it will keep up if she support him now.

Also pastor's wife in their cult.   She is brainwashed too.

[SusanM]

I hope the judge sees this for what it is - not just unlikely to be true- but a further indicator that the people surrounding Smuggar have no concept of the seriousness of his crime and will continue to shield him from any consequences or accountability down the road when he is released.

Edited May 25, 2022 by SusanM

[hathorlive]

3 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

This comment in Mrs. Wilson's letter of support for Josh just supports the prosecution's statement that the people around Josh seem to view his conviction as just something bad that happened to him. In this case I assume Mrs. Wilson in the highlighted phrase means the disclosures of the molestations, followed by his being outed as an Ashley Madison member and admitting to adultery - or maybe she also includes his conviction:

Instead of his bad deeds finding him out, he's just a poor victim who despite "all he had been through," has been helping a poor widow and her nine kids. 

This nonsense is enough to gag a maggot. I'm glad the defense piled on by adding this letter.

So tone deaf. It underscores the point for the judge that this man and his family have no thoughts about his victims, about the victims of child sexual abuse, and that they basically only care about themselves.   Such disgusting human beings.  Their "Christian" card needs revoking.  I sincerely hope they all burn in hell.  

For those of you who didn't hear the infamous Larry Nassar letter to the Judge, it's very similar in tone and denseness.

[SusanM]

Just now, hathorlive said:

For those of you who didn't hear the infamous Larry Nassar letter to the Judge, it's very similar in tone and denseness.

Here's hoping it works out as well for Smuggar as that letter did for Nassar.

About this last minute letter - wouldn't the judge have already made his decision about the sentence at this point?  Today is him letting Smuggar know isn't it?  Not him giving Smuggar a last chance at mitigation?

[Zella]

If the judge makes scathing comments about the letters, it will almost make sitting through The Sun breathlessly devoting individual posts for every one of Amy's sentences as filler worth it. 

[GeeGolly]

13 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

At least someone related to the Duggar's is outraged at what he's done.  I'm glad she's speaking about the victims, which NONE of Josh's other letters writing supporters even thought about.  But yes, she's thirsty.

If I was a victim of a crime, the last person I would want speaking on my behalf would be Amy.

[hathorlive]

2 minutes ago, SusanM said:

Here's hoping it works out as well for Smuggar as that letter did for Nassar.

I won't be shocked if the Judge notes that none of the letters supporting Josh mentioned the victims.  And yet, they want the judge to release this man back to the family, who apparently doesn't care about victims at all.  

[awaken]

26 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I'd like it more if they reported "with elfin boy #3".

More like gnomish, IMO!  Elves are somewhat cute, which these boys are completely not!  😂

[Heathen]

16 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

At least someone related to the Duggar's is outraged at what he's done.  I'm glad she's speaking about the victims, which NONE of Josh's other letters writing supporters even thought about.  But yes, she's thirsty.

She can be fame-hungry and still be right. 

[sagittarius sue]

6 minutes ago, SusanM said:

I hope the judge sees this for what it is - not just unlikely to be true- but a further indicator that the people surrounding Smuggar have no concept of the seriously of his crime and will continue to shield him from any consequences or accountability down the road when he is released.

In his statements, Judge Brooks has made it clear that he's under no illusions about FF's character and those that support him.  It's hard to believe that his lawyers have submitted yet another useless letter.

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, Heathen said:

She can be fame-hungry and still be right. 

I just wish people would remember the victims.  It's never goes away for them, even after the Duggar's have faded into obscurity.  Even having victims in their own family means nothing to the Duggars.

[Zella]

What I want to know is why widow letter wasn't in the first batch? Like, multiple people mention her in their letters, but no letter from her. That seems like an oversight, and it makes me wonder if they had to badger her into writing something. 

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

What I want to know is why widow letter wasn't in the first batch? Like, multiple people mention her in their letters, but no letter from her. That seems like an oversight, and it makes me wonder if they had to badger her into writing something. 

She was probably too busy sweeping up cracker crumbs....alone... to initially write the letter.  I'm sure once the Duggars sent someone over to intimidate  help her sweep up crumbs, she had time to write a letter.

[MargeGunderson]

My noon meeting got canceled, huzzah! Although let’s be honest, I was not going to be paying any attention in it. This is far more interesting (even when we are waiting).

[GeeGolly]

I wonder why Joy and Jason are there. I know they made statements agreeing with the verdict, but that doesn't mean they hate Josh or are gleefully glad to have him in prison for years.

I wonder if they're supporting Anna? Or maybe supporting JB? Maybe supporting Josh? Or maybe they are there for the same reasons we are all here today.

[MargeGunderson]

Bobye Holt is reportedly there as well. Good for her.

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, MargeGunderson said:

Bobye Holt is reportedly there as well. Good for her.

Bobye said on the stand she still loves Josh. She might be there for him.

[SusanM]

While I have no sympathy for Smuggar I do have to say sitting through this knowing at the end, no matter what, you are only waiting  to find out how long you are going to prison must be hell. I'd rather just be told right off the bat.

Edited May 25, 2022 by SusanM

[Minivanessa]

9 minutes ago, Zella said:

If the judge makes scathing comments about the letters, it will almost make sitting through The Sun breathlessly devoting individual posts for every one of Amy's sentences as filler worth it. 

Yes! The problem with "live updates!" of course is - they can't do live updates from inside the courthouse. The judge ordered that those attending the hearing, including the media, must leave all phones and electronic devices OUTSIDE the courthouse, not just the courtroom.  Unless the Sun has put a crew in there so that one by one they can periodically leave during the hearing, go outside for their phones and update the feed? They've gotta sit and wait just like the rest of us. And pad their "live update" with non-news.

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

My noon meeting got canceled, huzzah! Although let’s be honest, I was not going to be paying any attention in it. This is far more interesting (even when we are waiting).

I'm so not getting any work done today.  And I desperately need to get work done. I'm not leaving here until 7PM at this rate.

1 minute ago, Jeeves said:

Yes! The problem with "live updates!" of course is - they can't do live updates from inside the courthouse. The judge ordered that those attending the hearing, including the media, must leave all phones and electronic devices OUTSIDE the courthouse, not just the courtroom.  Unless the Sun has put a crew in there so that one by one they can periodically leave during the hearing, go outside for their phones and update the feed? They've gotta sit and wait just like the rest of us. And pad their "live update" with non-news.

I actually think this is a federal court house rule, and not just Judge Brook's ruling.  We can't bring cell phones into most court houses I go to.  I told one judge I think he has people break into cars and steal cell phones during hearings.  He doesn't think I'm nearly as funny as I think I am.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Unless the Sun has put a crew in there so that one by one they can periodically leave during the hearing, go outside for their phones and update the feed? They've gotta sit and wait just like the rest of us. And pad their "live update" with non-news.

I suspected last time that they were doing this on breaks after they got in trouble. All the new stuff would coincide with lunch or a midafternoon break and then devolve into filler. It wouldn't surprise me if it is the same today but maybe not so many breaks since not a trial, so we have to wait for the bitter end. . . .

[Minivanessa]

4 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I actually think this is a federal court house rule, and not just Judge Brook's ruling.  We can't bring cell phones into most court houses I go to.  I told one judge I think he has people break into cars and steal cell phones during hearings.  He doesn't think I'm nearly as funny as I think I am.

It wouldn't surprise me if it's a general federal courthouse rule, but Judge Brooks issued a specific order, for people attending this specific hearing, so maybe he wanted to take extra steps to prevent shenanigans. And head off any arguments later from someone caught with a phone that they didn't know they weren't supposed to bring it in. 

The order: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.155.0_1.pdf

[lilwhitelion]

57 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I don't know who is with Joy Anna but the 70's called and want their polyester and white shoes back.  My god, this family dresses badly.

And white belt!  My God, it looks awful.