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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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hoosier80
hoosier80

New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
MargeGunderson

Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

doodlebug
doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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queenanne

queenanne

4 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

She’s hiding out eating salad while she “works on her contentment” because she’s been raised to believe it’s all her fault.

Which is a shame, because Anna is a pretty girl, but all I see is "weak, wet, and possibly even rabbity" when I look at her now.  She always looks damp and martyred, like she's been recently rescued from crying.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

3 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Which is a shame, because Anna is a pretty girl, but all I see is "weak, wet, and possibly even rabbity" when I look at her now.  She always looks damp and martyred, like she's been recently rescued from crying.

Wow, I never thought of it before, but she has taken on a ferret-y look in recent years, hasn't she? There's just something desperate about her, like she's clinging to an extended family that really doesn't want her. It doesn't seem like any of the siblings interact with Smuggar and Anna unless they're forced to. 

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Lady Edith

Lady Edith

That’s the thing...why would you WANT to interact with someone who ruined your public persona?  And eliminated the main income source for the family?  And who did nasty things to fellow siblings?  I think they play nice with Josh because Jesus. But that doesn’t mean they have to like it.  

And in regards to Anna, their insane belief system puts all the blame for Josh on her and her “inability” to keep him satisfied. I think they arranged the marriage as a way to keep him in line and saw Anna as his “savior” of sorts.  And when he led that double life that Anna couldn’t control it, the situation became all her fault.  But it’s not her responsibility to “fix” him and keep him on the straight and narrow.  

Whst I want to know is why did she stay with the Duggars when Joshley was in Jesus jail?  Did they have her under house arrest?  It sure felt like it. 

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doodlebug

doodlebug

41 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

 

Whst I want to know is why did she stay with the Duggars when Joshley was in Jesus jail?  Did they have her under house arrest?  It sure felt like it. 

Anna stayed  because she has been told her whole life that she has no choice.  It's hard to escape the brainwashing she's gotten over a lifetime.  She's a victim of the fundie equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

4 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

Boob kept Anna under lock and key not because the family loves her and wants to protect her....he was doing damage control.......couldn't risk letting her go and bring lured away by numerous rag mags and TV offers to spill the Duggar family dirt!

Especially since she had a couple of lapsed-fundie siblings who offered her asylum, if I recall...I realize that she had probably gotten a double-dose of kool-aid once she got hooked in with the Duggars, but if she'd have had real freedom to communicate at will with said siblings, they might have been able to sway her. I do think that a lot of her sequestered state was probably self-imposed, but I doubt that she was in any way encouraged to seek  out any solace which was not strictly within the fundy circle, nor would the "outsiders" be made to  feel anything but unwelcome.

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queenanne

queenanne

3 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Especially since she had a couple of lapsed-fundie siblings who offered her asylum, if I recall...I realize that she had probably gotten a double-dose of kool-aid once she got hooked in with the Duggars, but if she'd have had real freedom to communicate at will with said siblings, they might have been able to sway her. I do think that a lot of her sequestered state was probably self-imposed, but I doubt that she was in any way encouraged to seek  out any solace which was not strictly within the fundy circle, nor would the "outsiders" be made to  feel anything but unwelcome.

I can see your point, but it seems odd to credit her with not having freedom to communicate at will with her siblings... didn't she have a cell phone?  I don't think the Dugs are so bad that she couldn't have found any time to herself in that barn of the TTH to hunker down and talk with them.  I'd think it's in fact more likely that she specifically shied away from talking to non-koolaid-drinking siblings, because she was afraid of precisely that - that they would be giving her pieces of their mind about lovely Josh-U-a left and right (we know the brother, at minimum, wasn't shy).

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Rabbittron

Rabbittron

Don't quote this for truth but it  was bored last night and I watched RU live and at the end they were told to go to the back to sign up for groups and 95% of them were walking and there was one still facing forward with the same figure and height and hair as Smuggar has. If this was him they told him to not move utill we were offline. I know that they download it so you can watch it at a future date.

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Rabbittron

Rabbittron

3 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I still get the Livestream reminders each week, so I dug it out of my Trash and took a look at the people leaving. There IS one guy whose profile you can sort of see walking off to the left instead of out of the auditorium like everyone else. COULD be him, but I'm giving it a grade of Inconclusive. 

When I  re-wtch it I am going to freeze frame it. 

Rabbittron

Rabbittron

6 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

You can just scroll to about 45 minutes in. That's what I did. No way I was going to endure what is the equivalent of Chinese water torture and actually WATCH. 

 when I get a chance to rewatch it that's what I'm going to do cuz I already have it written down 45 minutes

Rabbittron

Rabbittron

21 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

The only thing worth watching is Cisco in the second section. Not to fat-shame, but he went to RU for a food addiction, and it doesn't appear that he's lost any weight since I first saw him. Doesn't say much for the success of RU. 

It does say a lot about the success of RU. They are very successful in scaming the people out of their money. 

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

7 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

The only thing worth watching is Cisco in the second section. Not to fat-shame, but he went to RU for a food addiction, and it doesn't appear that he's lost any weight since I first saw him. Doesn't say much for the success of RU. 

The other reason I don’t watch is that my headship will think I’ve truly lost my damn mind. 

1 minute ago, DangerousMinds said:

If the place didn't truly work the first time, why send him back there?

It’s all about control.  Boob knows he won’t have control over his phone anymore while he’s there, and he’s too old for ALERT.

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Rabbittron

Rabbittron

7 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

The other reason I don’t watch is that my headship will think I’ve truly lost my damn mind. 

It’s all about control.  Boob knows he won’t have control over his phone anymore while he’s there, and he’s too old for ALERT.

If Smuggar really needs a phone he can always get a flip phone no Internet and some come without a camera. 

Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

7 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

I  just freezed-framed it and if is not Smuggar then it is his doppelganger.

On the other hand there seem to be an inordinate number of doppelgangers in the Fundie community. Just look at how many just in the Duggar family seem to marry someone who looks as though he or she could be a sibling. There are probably any number of dissipated versions of Children of the Corn out there...

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Rabbittron

Rabbittron

24 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

On the other hand there seem to be an inordinate number of doppelgangers in the Fundie community. Just look at how many just in the Duggar family seem to marry someone who looks as though he or she could be a sibling. There are probably any number of dissipated versions of Children of the Corn out there...

But how many went to RU to treat their sex addictions?

tabloidlover

tabloidlover

I'm trying to understand the non-logical logic that Boob and crew use and I still don't get it.   Josh was sent to Alert (more than once, I believe), still had issues and had to be sent off to work on some building somewhere for a few months.   Still not cured,  he was married off toot sweet so he would be able to have all the sex he wanted.   That still didn't "fix" him and it blew up in epic proportions and he ended up at RU for 6 months.  And now it seems that he might be back again.   Do I have that right?

My question is, why does Boob believe in Alert for his kids as it clearly didn't work for Josh?   And why would he send him back to RU if SIX months of "treatment" there didn't take?   What who is the common denominator??  Hello??   Boob proves himself more of an idiot every single day.

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queenanne

queenanne

51 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

I'm trying to understand the non-logical logic that Boob and crew use and I still don't get it.   Josh was sent to Alert (more than once, I believe), still had issues and had to be sent off to work on some building somewhere for a few months.   Still not cured,  he was married off toot sweet so he would be able to have all the sex he wanted.   That still didn't "fix" him and it blew up in epic proportions and he ended up at RU for 6 months.  And now it seems that he might be back again.   Do I have that right?

My question is, why does Boob believe in Alert for his kids as it clearly didn't work for Josh?   And why would he send him back to RU if SIX months of "treatment" there didn't take?   What who is the common denominator??  Hello??   Boob proves himself more of an idiot every single day.

They, like good little sheeple, use Bill Gothard's logic.  (Which Anna also uses, because her family follows it.)

His warped teachings are the common denominator.

More here:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp

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DangerousMinds

DangerousMinds

1 hour ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

If he is there, this would be his third time in what the Duggars consider rehab. I wonder how many chances Anna gives him? I wonder how many chances he gets before they get him some real help? Both are rhetorical questions, or course.

IMO addictions are serious issues and Josh needs help, but that would include real therapy and counseling and they aren't going to get that.

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queenanne

queenanne

10 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

IMO addictions are serious issues and Josh needs help, but that would include real therapy and counseling and they aren't going to get that.

Yes, as we've said before, Jesus is the only permitted coping mechanism.  I'm surprised the Duggars allow themselves to take aspirin.  Maybe they don't.  Have we ever seen them take aspirin? 

...I know there was talk about them going to the dentist and I assume they were permitted novocaine, so perhaps disregard my nonsense.

Marigold

Marigold

7 minutes ago, Absolom said:

That fortress isn't coming down any time soon either.  I don't care how many RU tours Josh does.  It's going to take something besides more Bible memorizing to help him.  He's had the patter down since he was eight or ten years old.  It doesn't even register with him any more.

You are correct. 

Josh grew up in a home with tons and tons of Bible instruction and THIS is what he did. Repeatedly.  Clearly, the Bible is not enough for Josh and he needs way, way more specialized help.  Duh.  It's pretty obvious. 

Josh must realize his behavior is not normal.  Maybe josh needs to find his own therapy treatment plan that will actually TREAT his issues.  Bible Bingo doesn't seem to be working for him. 

bigskygirl

bigskygirl

In my opinion, I do not think Josh is realizing his behavior is not normal. I think he feels he is above it all and has gotten away with it for so long. He is an obnoxious, hypocritical narcissist who believes if he says he is sorry and blames the evilness and the devil for his own actions, he will be blessed with God's forgiveness. He was riding the coattail of his family's belief that certain groups like gays and lesbians are the child molesters instead of facing the fact he is one himself. To be honest about it, he does not want to find his own therapy treatment plan because he would have to admit he has some serious problems and get the help he obviously needs and would need to become the man his wife and children needs. It is too easy to blame others instead of taking the blame himself. Of course, he has learn this type of behavior from his two parents. The sad fact is he thinks real therapy and treatment is a sign of weakness. I know people and have family members who believe mental health issues are a sign of weakness and will not seek the help they need also. In the case of the Duggars, it is a sad generation statement being passed on from generation to generation (from JB and Michelle, to their children, and will probably be passed on the grandchildren especially with Josh/Anna, and Jill/Derick.)

Marshmallow Mollie

Marshmallow Mollie

30 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Anyone want to bet that to prove us wrong about Smuggar being in Jesus Jail we will soon be flooded with old photos of Get Brain Bleach ready Microdick Smugs claiming these are new photos of him.

I sure hope so. The possible reasons for his going back would be masturbating (fine by me), looking at porn (fine by me), cheating on his wife, or inappropriately touching a child. Did I miss a reason? So I sure do hope he is at home with no Satan construction crew in his heart.

birkenstock

birkenstock

I think he might be at RU because Jim Bob and Michelle are out of the country for two weeks and they don't trust him to behave.  Josh has no respect for Anna and would go behind her back. Josiah, Jed, and Jer aren't at the car lot to babysit him and John David and Joe have their own responsibilities. 

Marigold

Marigold

If Josh thinks that his behavior is acceptable and he is fine with it, then he has some serious psychiatric problems. 

I think Josh knows it's wrong and does it anyway because he enjoys it. (not including child molestation-to our knowledge he has not re-offended)

Josh is addicted to porn, women, hook ups and all that stuff.  It's a lot of work to beat an addiction and Josh is lazy. He would rather get a lap dance and hook up than to actually do the hard work involved with getting better. Anna will stand by her man so why even bother? 

Josh needs to pack up Bible Bingo, turn off the porn, zip up and find himself some help. This is not Anna's problem, nor Jim Bob nor Michelle.  It's 2018 and Josh needs to own his behavior.  josh will never ever get better because he doesn't want to.

 

Granted Jim Bob and Michelle handled the molestations SO WRONG but plenty of people have shitty parents and yet, they manage to rise about all of it. Josh doesn't give a shit about anything or anyone. 

Christina87

Christina87

I feel like Josh knows that in the real world, you can hook up and watch porn all you want, and don't even have to get married. Heck, you can be a Christian and still do that!!! I think in his twisted mind, he feels entitled to do these things because it's not his fault that he missed out. I could see him justifying this sick behavior this way. The thing is, he could be free if he just left Anna and the cult, but he would never do that because ironically, the cult holds him least responsible for his behavior. Also, he would have to find a way to support himself and keep his own house, which would not be his style!

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Marigold

Marigold

23 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

There is nothing inherently wrong with hook ups or porn, IMO. Josh just needs to come to terms with the lifestyle he wants and get honest about it. Which of course has little to no chance of actually happening!

That is a good point.  If josh and Anna decided that they want an open marriage or whatever, that's their business. No one really cares. 

But Josh wants the best of both worlds and lands up being a liar, fake a fraud every time. 

His recent sexcapades have deeply hurt Anna and his kids.  Molesting his sisters and friend have affected them. And yet Josh will continue to hurt people with his actions. 

Seems like an addiction to me but maybe he really just wants to run far away. 

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

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The best thing the Duggars can do is just write Josh off and let Anna be free. He is never going to get better. Feeling trapped in a life he doesn't want to live will make him watch porn more, lust after women, etc. I say let him loose, let him live the life he was never allowed to have. Anna needs to wake up and move on. Josh is never going to want to be what she wants or what the Duggars expect. No amount of fake therapy is going to fix his bitterness and lack of education. Bob should take the blame and realize that the kid is messed up thanks to his doing and cut him loose.

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bigskygirl

bigskygirl

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Hooking up while married unless your spouse is fine with it, in my opinion, is not right. He is hurting Anna and even putting her at risk for some nasty sexual transmitted diseases by hooking up with other women. It also shows he has no respect for her, or in some ways, no respect for himself either. He is also hurting his children by his actions. Now if he decided to man up and admit he does not want to be married and be a father then I might have a little sympathy for him. Anna could take the kids and get the help she obviously needs because her children depend on having two happy and well adjusted stable parents. I do feel bad for her at times, but there are times I want to slap her and tell her to snap out of it.

JB does play a role in what has happened with Josh, but I seriously think Josh would have turned to porn and cheated on his spouse even if he grew up in a normal household with normal parents and had a normal life. He thinks the sun does not rise in the morning until he gets up. Like father like son.

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Marigold

Marigold

I agree.

no amount of therapy is going to help Josh because he does not want to change.  Jim Bob keeps dumping him in Jesus Jail. Jim Bob cannot process that Josh is not going to get better.  He will just be controlled for a period of time and then relapse again. 

So then, be honest and leave. Just go. Leave Anna and the children. It will hurt like hell at first but in the end, they will all be better without a fake father and fake husband. 

No to mention the diseases. 

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