Rick Kitchen August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Just now, Growsonwalls said: ??? She's never tested positive for doping. Because she missed attending three mandatory tests. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472641
blackwing August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Dear NBC, I really couldn't give a fying fluck about the husband of Katinka Hosszu. Please, do me a favour and stop giving this idiot airtime. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472642
briochetwist August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rick Kitchen said: Yeah, the woman who should have been drug banned. I'm sorry, but this annoys the crap out of me, she's never tested positive, but she's winning, and she's not representing your country, so she must be cheating and should be banned! No. You wouldn't appreciate it if people were saying the same thing about Ledecky and Phelps. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472651
Daisy August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Just now, briochetwist said: I'm sorry, but this annoys the crap out of me, she's never tested positive, but she's winning, and she's not representing your country, so she must be cheating and should be banned! No. You wouldn't appreciate it if people were saying the same thing about Ledecky and Phelps. I think it was qualified because Hosszu missed 3 mandatory drug tests, to which, how? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472653
Rick Kitchen August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, briochetwist said: I'm sorry, but this annoys the crap out of me, she's never tested positive, but she's winning, and she's not representing your country, so she must be cheating and should be banned! No. You wouldn't appreciate it if people were saying the same thing about Ledecky and Phelps. All she had to do was to take her drug tests. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472655
LilWharveyGal August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, blackwing said: Dear NBC, I really couldn't give a fying fluck about the husband of Katinka Hosszu. Please, do me a favour and stop giving this idiot airtime. He showed up on CBC, too. Is he someone notable or just...animated? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472657
Growsonwalls August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Just now, Rick Kitchen said: All she had to do was to take her drug tests. Can you please find a citation for this? I havent been able to find any evidence of this. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472659
briochetwist August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Just now, Rick Kitchen said: All she had to do was to take her drug tests. I've searched and can't find any mention of three missed mandatory drug tests anywhere. Do you have a source? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472660
chitowngirl August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Yay for team USA, but you'd think that Phelps swam the race solo. Man, he's exhausted and still anchored that well! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472668
Rick Kitchen August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 The announcers were talking about it the other day. Plus she has increased her times in her mid-20s which already had people raising their eyebrows. This article talks about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/katinka-hosszu-swimmings-iron-lady-is-raising-all-kinds-of-eyebrows/2016/08/07/3221c0be-5ccf-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472670
Cherpumple August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Wow, that was quite a blow out. They look exhausted! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472671
photo fox August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Really, NBC? You cut away during Lochte's swim to show Phelps's cap malfunction? That couldn't wait until after? SMDH 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472672
EyewatchTV211 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 I found something regarding a different swimmer: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizzie-armistead-olympic-reprieve-questioned-fellow-athletes Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472677
againstthewind August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Phelps gave all he had left to anchor that thing. He's wiped. Haas won that for us. Lochte was also very impressive, even though he looks like a hot Oompa Loompa. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472680
tanyak August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Damn, Ryan is still so good looking to me. I really hate that he was injured at trials and therefore has such a light program this time around. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472681
Thumper August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 I am very impressed that Baby Phelps has been at all these races. He always seems so mellow, too. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472682
Sew Sumi August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 1 minute ago, photo fox said: Really, NBC? You cut away during Lochte's swim to show Phelps's cap malfunction? That couldn't wait until after? SMDH They did WHAT????? Thank goodness for the Feed! I guess I will check out NBC's misdeeds in 3 hours, when they finally get around to showing it on the Mothership. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472683
selkie August 10, 2016 Author Share August 10, 2016 (edited) I don't know if Katinka is clean or dirty, but when someone has the sudden huge improvement she has had in her mid 20s, they have typically turned out to be doping. There are a lot of reasonable comparisons between her and Michelle Smith, who also technically never tested positive for doping but eventually got banned from the sport for manipulating a urine sample. No one questions that Sarah Sjostrom is clean and she's Swedish. She's just had a perfectly logical improvement curve since her big breakthrough at the 2009 World Championships. Edited August 10, 2016 by selkie 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472685
Cherpumple August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 What happened to Phelps's cap? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472690
RinaX August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 As much as he got on my nerves during the last Olympics, I was pleased to see Lochte as part of the team. I'm grumpy and am not quite yet ready to yield to the new kids completely. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472694
superdeluxe August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 15 minutes ago, photo fox said: Really, NBC? You cut away during Lochte's swim to show Phelps's cap malfunction? That couldn't wait until after? SMDH Gotta show the man's every move. They'll probably put in picture in picture. "This is what Michael Phelps is doing right now!" Then, they cut to Costas and I'm sure he had to towel off. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472695
Growsonwalls August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, Rick Kitchen said: All she had to do was to take her drug tests. 5 minutes ago, Rick Kitchen said: The announcers were talking about it the other day. Plus she has increased her times in her mid-20s which already had people raising their eyebrows. This article talks about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/katinka-hosszu-swimmings-iron-lady-is-raising-all-kinds-of-eyebrows/2016/08/07/3221c0be-5ccf-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html I read the article. It says nothing about her missing three mandatory drug tests. I agree that she's peaking at an odd time for women but it seems like this "missing three tests" is something you mad e up. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472696
briochetwist August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Rick Kitchen said: The announcers were talking about it the other day. Plus she has increased her times in her mid-20s which already had people raising their eyebrows. This article talks about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/katinka-hosszu-swimmings-iron-lady-is-raising-all-kinds-of-eyebrows/2016/08/07/3221c0be-5ccf-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html I read that article twice, couldn't find anything about her missing any drug tests, it's just all speculation that looks like sour grapes to me. Bottom line: She hasn't ever tested positive, so she deserves the benefit of the doubt. As do all athletes here. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472698
EyewatchTV211 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 If the announcers brought it up initially, I wonder if they misspoke and mentioned the wrong swimmer. The article I posted above, and there are others, mentions 3 missed tests for a different swimmer, Lizzie Armistead: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizzie-armistead-olympic-reprieve-questioned-fellow-athletes Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472700
againstthewind August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, tanyak said: Damn, Ryan is still so good looking to me. I really hate that he was injured at trials and therefore has such a light program this time around. *whispers* Me too! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472703
EyewatchTV211 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, VMepicgrl said: If the announcers brought it up initially, I wonder if they misspoke and mentioned the wrong swimmer. The article I posted above, and there are others, mentions 3 missed tests for a different swimmer, Lizzie Armistead: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizzie-armistead-olympic-reprieve-questioned-fellow-athletes ETA: Nevermind. She's not a swimmer. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472710
megwhite August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 I love Ryan's hair, he is so cute! those dimples! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472723
againstthewind August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 I'm not going to comment on the doping but more than anything else something about Hosszu's husband does not sit right with me AT ALL and I wish NBC would stop paying him any due like its charming. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472724
Cherpumple August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 The British commentators are ecstatic about team GB winning two silver medals tonight. Well, ecstatic in an understated British way, but I love seeing their enthusiasm. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472731
Athena August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Do not be rude to your fellow posters. If posters are acting out of line, do not engage, and report the post to the mod team. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472734
Rinaldo August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, megwhite said: I love Ryan's hair, he is so cute! those dimples! I had heard about his hair and was prepared to hate it (especially when I read its description as "ice blue"), but in fact I kinda like it. And though I don't exactly find him cute, he does seem much better looking to me than he did 4 years ago. I never expected that. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472745
Growsonwalls August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 I always feel like Ryan Lochte is totally a "Hangover" type of dude. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472748
Kromm August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 (edited) The title of this thread is extra ironic now given #greenpool Although I guess its only the neighbor pool... even still... Edited August 10, 2016 by Kromm 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472750
Sew Sumi August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, megwhite said: I love Ryan's hair, he is so cute! those dimples! He looks like a young Anderson Cooper (who was gray for realz at 32). 2 minutes ago, Kromm said: The title of this thread is extra ironic now given #greenpool I saw that. It was really yucky to look at. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472752
Raachel2008 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Cherpumple said: What happened to Phelps's cap? It was ripped. 14 minutes ago, againstthewind said: I'm not going to comment on the doping but more than anything else something about Hosszu's husband does not sit right with me AT ALL and I wish NBC would stop paying him any due like its charming. Same here. I know for sure that one of the reasons he annoys me is how he became someone 'important', someone the cameras must show every single time he is around - if this were a TV show and not the Olympics, he would be that guy doing a cameo that suddently became a leading character (which is exactly the same reason I cannot stand Mama Phelps and his sister and missus - the baby is more than okay, though). Other than that, he gives me creepy pimp vibes. So... Katinka stinks? Sorry, I couldn't help myself. But for real, how can you miss three mandatory tests, assuming it is true? I find Katinka's improvement extremely suspicious, but unless she tests positive she is going to make history as the best female swimmer in Rio. Edited August 10, 2016 by Raachel2008 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472756
Brattinella August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Raachel2008 said: So.. Katinka stinks? Sorry, I couldn't help myself. But for real, how can you miss three mandatory tests, assuming it is true? I find Katinka's improvement extremely suspicious, but unless she tests positive she is going to make history as the best female swimmer in Rio. O No, it is NOT true. Someone falsely claimed it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472766
Growsonwalls August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Raachel2008 said: It was ripped. Same here. I know for sure that one of the reasons he annoys me is how he became someone 'important', someone the cameras must show every single time he is around - if this were a TV show and not the Olympics, he would be that guy doing a cameo that suddently became a leading character (which is exactly the same reason I cannot stand Mama Phelps and his sister and missus - the baby is more than okay, though). Other than that, he gives me creepy pimp vibes. So.. Katinka stinks? Sorry, I couldn't help myself. But for real, how can you miss three mandatory tests, assuming it is true? I find Katinka's improvement extremely suspicious, but unless she tests positive she is going to make history as the best female swimmer in Rio. O Upthread it was mentioned that there are no citable sources for this "missed three drug tests" allegation. I've looked anywhere and there are articles questioning the relationship between husband and wife (with some swimmers implying it could be abusive) but still no "three missed test" sources. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472767
photo fox August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, Cherpumple said: What happened to Phelps's cap? He was pulling it down like they do while waiting for his leg of the race, and it ripped in two. He looked around like, "crap!", and put on the cap from one of the first two swimmers. Cue dramatic music. It was a funny moment, but it didn't merit cutting away from a live final, no matter how far Lochte was ahead. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472776
Raachel2008 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said: Upthread it was mentioned that there are no citable sources for this "missed three drug tests" allegation. I've looked anywhere and there are articles questioning the relationship between husband and wife (with some swimmers implying it could be abusive) but still no "three missed test" sources Ah, damn. I knew he had a creepy vibe. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472790
Aliconehead August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 While she hasn't tested positive, it is still highly suspicious her incredible improvement at her age. Also many athletes never test positive but are then found to have doped: Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire to just name a few. Personally I know a few major leagurers that never got popped but I know for a fact we're not cleaned I will give her the benefit of the doubt for now but I will also keep my eye on her in the future. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472793
Jx223 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Congrats to Katie and Michael Phelps as well as the rest of the men's relay team for winning gold tonight. I was glad to see Katie pull off the win in 200 freestyle and Michael win gold in his two races tonight. I got chills watching him win his 20th and 21st gold medal. Who knows when we there will be another Olympic athlete, that is so incredibly dominant like he has been throughout the past four Olympics. I liked seeing Ryan get another gold medal too. He's amusing and I think his hair looks fine. I think that dyed grey look works for some people. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472835
photo fox August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 And that's why I love Lochte. In the post-race interview, he made a point of calling out the three "other guys" who raced in the prelim. That is, in the five seconds he was allowed to speak. If the reporter said to Phelps, "I'm sure your teammates won't mind (that I ignore them)" one more time... I was kind of hoping when the camera zoomed out that they would have walked off. lol 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472864
TobinAlbers August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 I knew Kevin Durant was tall but good grief Michael only comes to his chin?! http://www.espn.com/olympics/summer/swimming/story/_/id/17260602/2016-rio-olympics-usa-basketball-shows-force-support-usa-swimming-rio Love that KD also took a pic with Katie Ledecki. As always game recognizes game. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472865
Guest August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, photo fox said: And that's why I love Lochte. In the post-race interview, he made a point of calling out the three "other guys" who raced in the prelim. That is, in the five seconds he was allowed to speak. If the reporter said to Phelps, "I'm sure your teammates won't mind (that I ignore them)" one more time... I was kind of hoping when the camera zoomed out that they would have walked off. lol I couldn't believe it when she started the interview that way. Usually they act that way, but I can't recall anyone starting an interview with a relay team saying I'm sure you will all understand why I'm only talking to Phelps. I give Lochte a pass on the hair because I think its a cry for attention in a field of swimmers dominated by Phelps. But I blame the announcers/media for that, not Phelps. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472888
Raachel2008 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 41 minutes ago, Aliconehead said: Also many athletes never test positive but are then found to have doped: Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire to just name a few. Also there are those who were never caught but people always believed to have dopped like Florence Girffith Joyner. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472889
KenyaJ August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 1 hour ago, selkie said: For those familiar with Florida, that Lochte is from Daytona Beach explains a lot. As a Floridian, no lies detected. LOL. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's incredibly affable and I've loved how his friendly rivalry with Michael has made both of them better over the years. I saw that by winning his 12th medal tonight, he passed Mark Spitz as the second most decorated American swimmer. That's awesome. I hope there are more in his future. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472895
twoods August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Phelps showboating tonight put a bad taste in my mouth. That wasn't needed. I saw what Chad did and it didn't bother me, and at least he congratulated Michael afterwards. Poor relay team for getting shunned again just so Phelps can talk. I'm sure that they are used to it, but it still sucks. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472938
Jx223 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 (edited) 52 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said: I knew Kevin Durant was tall but good grief Michael only comes to his chin?! http://www.espn.com/olympics/summer/swimming/story/_/id/17260602/2016-rio-olympics-usa-basketball-shows-force-support-usa-swimming-rio Love that KD also took a pic with Katie Ledecki. As always game recognizes game. That's funny that Michael looks kind of small compared to KD. I remember seeing a picture of Michael and Simone Biles and noticing just how tiny she was in comparison to him. I liked the reactions of the basketball players to Katie and Michael's wins. They looked like proud parents. I love seeing the athletes from different sports supporting each other. I think that swimming is exciting and a fun sport to watch. I think it might be the sport that I find the most exciting to watch in the Olympics. Edited August 10, 2016 by Jx223 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2472949
purist August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Not seeing much hoyay in the pool at this Olympics. Has there even been any? I miss the Thoogie. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2473005
katisha August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, Good Queen Jane said: http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/olympics/theres-a-good-reason-some-olympic-swimmers-wear-two-swim-caps/ar-BBvozkx?li=BBnba9I&ocid=DELLDHP Cool - thanks for clearing that up! Quietly hoping Cam McEvoy can get us another gold tomorrow in the 100 metres freestyle, but I was so impressed by the effort of young Kyle Chalmers too. But I am loving the new geeky breed of Australian male swimmers. McEvoy is a physics student and Mitch Larkin is studying engineering. Go the four-eyes (from a fellow four-eyes!) I have wondered if either of them swim in prescription goggles. Edited August 10, 2016 by katisha 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/45431-pool-and-open-water-swimming-do-not-swallow-the-water/page/7/#findComment-2473067
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