S08.E13: Steel Calzones

[HumblePi]

12 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

There is a door to their "large"by Manhattan standards outdoor space but she never said it happened at home. You can see it in the Tour of her house, it's right off the dining area.

I watched the video and saw that there's a door leading outside to a large deck. I would think she would go outside there to smoke if she wanted to and not have the need to straddle over a broken glass window sill. But the thing that made me shudder just a little is when she mentioned there's a glass floor looking down into Michael's office underneath the glass where she sometimes will wear a dress with no underpants and sit on it, "if he's a good boy".  Who does that? What if he had a client or someone else in his office out of view and suddenly there's Jules ass in view up on the ceiling? This is a strange and kinky couple. The vaginal contusions and/or lacerations mystery continues.

[biakbiak]

Just now, WireWrap said:

Maybe it was one of the bedroom windows attached to a fire escape. I hate to think it was self inflicted or the result of something nefarious between her/Michael.

Oh I don't think it was selfinflicted I just don't think it happened at home. I think it probably happened at a friends house or party the night before and she didn't realize it was as serious as it was until the next day.

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

Oh I don't think it was selfinflicted I just don't think it happened at home. I think it probably happened at a friends house or party the night before and she didn't realize it was as serious as it was until the next day.

Very possible. She didn't elaborate on how it happened or where it happened.

[KungFuBunny]

Jules signed onto this show with eyes wide open.

She had to have gone through some sort of interview/audition process which means she has an agent or representation. What I believe is that she and her girlfriend created this drink and this show was a way to bring publicity to the product. I think they’ve been working on this item for some time. They had to have it copyrighted/trademarked. They had to have had a bottling plant set up. The logo/labels, the price point and had to have already shopped distributors way before she signed up for the show.

She went to Bravo, they didn’t pursue her.  I think the schtick she presented them with is she’s a stay at home mom, rich, Jewish, Asian, and recovering from an ED. As for the crumbling marriage, I don’t know if she told Bravo that they had issues, but I do think her intent was to paint her husband in a bad light. So far specific actions from Michael on film haven’t shown this to be true, but specific behaviors from Jules on film have shown her in a disturbing light.

What had Michael done on camera that has been so horrible? He was inept in the bathroom during the tub scene..but Jules was just as lost. He was on the phone taking a selfie. He said he pictured an episode of I Love Lucy on the production line when Jules was going to package her cleanse. I have not seen any outbursts of anger from him or him treat Jules in an abusive manner. Nor have I seen him make snide remarks about her. For the most part he’s kind of quiet and calm.

When she signed that contract she knew anything they filmed could be edited any way they liked and she had no control. She had control of what comes out of her mouth and how she behaves.

As for being mad at Bethenny & Carol for talking about her…um that’s what these bitches do. They all talk about each other – that’s what this show is about…their supposed relationships and friendships/conflicts with each other as well as their own personal storylines. Every talking head shot – is about one housewife commenting about another.

[Higgins]

On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 9:36 PM, RHJunkie said:

Just catching up on the episode. Jules' eating behaviours are uncomfortable to watch but so is listening to Carole and Bethenny pretend to be that concerned about her. It seems like they're concerned more for the sake of having something to talk to other people about. I thought there was great irony in Carole's sunken, skeletal looking face talking about weight loss and eating issues with Jules. I doubt Carole's intentions and example of that is when she was retelling the story to Heather, she made it seem like she easily and quickly accepted Jules explanation of being naturally skinny. That's not how it was at all. She outwardly doubted that by mentioning Jules' body and talking about on numerous occasions in her THs. However, I find the dynamic between Carole and Heather to be more laid back and comfortable. Carole's demeanor is entirely different around Bethenny. If she had this exact same conversation with Bethenny, there would be an element of cattiness or gossip to it. I didn't feel that in Carole's delivery when talking to Heather. 

Jules didn't seem to have any issues with her vocabulary or expressing herself to Dorinda. She only has that issue with Bethenny and I think that's because she feels the judgment and subconsciously overthinks when she tries to communicate with Bethenny. It doesn't help when Bethenny constantly takes digs at her intelligence and ability to speak when Jules is in the midst of trying to express her opinion. 

How did Bethenny go an entire year with abnormal bleeding and didn't bother to go to the doctor before that point? If you're so worried about leaving your daughter behind to be raised by Jason's loving family, then perhaps you should stop sacrificing your health and time for the sake of building an empire and making money. It's not like you're going to end up homeless for real if you worked a slightly lesser pace and make the time to see the doctor when your body isn't working the way it's supposed to. Wouldn't you know if you had a living will or not? 

Ramona's horrible sports analogy...oh man, haha. Dorinda's party look was yikes. I'm tired of hearing about Carole and Luann. Leave it alone Ramona. If neither of them want to approach a conversation then let it be. I don't blame Luann for being so dismissive at the party. Ramona wants to constantly lecture her about what she should do but after she's already done, she's giving instructions in alternate apologies and persistence until Carole finally accepts one of them and grants Luann the honour of her presence over coffee just to talk about things, not to patch things up. Carole is not ready to move on and until she is, nothing Luann will do will appease her and make her feel it's worth it to meet her and discuss anything. She can shift the goal posts and create new expectations for how Luann can prove her sincerity and if Luann met all of them, she would shift the goal posts. Queen of the 'I don't care, I'm passed it' is the complete opposite of that. And that's fine if she needs more time but at least shut down the conversation when Ramona brings it up. 

Jules' husband is so waste. 

Both of the concerned cast members are skeletal as well. Bethenny was not always so emaciated. she should just shut the fuck up. What a bitter shrew.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Very possible. She didn't elaborate on how it happened or where it happened.

I was kind of hoping someone would ask Jules, "what were you doing just prior to climbing through the window?" or "why and where were you climbing through a window?" and most importantly, "were you trying to get in or out?".  I realize Bethenny wanted to talk about her gynecological issues, but a lacerated labia, is far more interesting than old fibroids.

Carole claimed she likes ask questions, would not have any of the above helped move things along story wise?

[HumblePi]

I just watched parts of this episode all over again, only the parts with Jules. I had already commented on the weird pizza making behavior of Jules but this time around I noticed some very strange dialog that she had with Dorinda in Jules' apartment. This part doesn't matter but when she said "try a fish stick, we baked them just now, me and Maria my new nanny". I looked at the sheet pan that she picked up a few from and initially had thought they were store made macaroon cookies, they didn't look anything like fish sticks. I thought it was strange that she would serve Dorinda fish sticks with wine in the afternoon and not macaroons. LOL! Okay I know that sounds so crazy so I'll continue with what I was originally going to comment about in this segment.

I noticed that Jules rambled and talked hyper fast. Dorinda describing her ED as 'an eating thing' was a little naive on Dorinda's part. I don't think Dorinda knows how serious an ED can be.. Jules rambled on so fast that I had to back up and listen a few times to get all she said. She sobbed as she said "I always have a happy face and make people feel good, and....nobody takes care of me". She went on and on complaining about Michael not giving the kids a bath and the nanny quitting, etc. etc. "Nobody takes care of me". "I was so happy in the hospital, I asked for late checkout". "I just wanted someone to take care of me". She said that twice.

For a woman that claims she sees two different doctors two times a week, a shrink and a therapist, she's certainly not getting the help she needs. Jules is in total denial no matter what she claims. Even when she's weighed at the doctor, she turns backwards on the scale so she can't see the number and she doesn't want to know the number. Her eating disorder is just one of her issues. I don't think that Jules will ever recover from her eating disorder unless she resolves her underlying issues first. There's a reason why a person has a overwhelming need to be seen and recognized in the ways that Jules does.

[JakeyJokes]

A high school friend of mine was in treatment for anorexia and I remember her telling me that -- in treatment -- patients are told to turn away from the scale because they are so obsessive with "the number". One time my friend was accidentally told by a nurse who didn't know proper procedure and a meltdown occurred.

The fact that Jules is still using a behavior of someone currently in treatment (and not recovered) may speak volumes.

[zoeysmom]

In the treatment of anorexia, and the learned healthy behaviors extend to out patient as well, patients are not suppose to have a scale, they aren't suppose to use measuring tapes, even belts and sashes are discouraged because they can use them as a measuring device.  They are suppose to be developing a healthy relationship with food.  Jules feels like she has certain marks, she has a regular period (obviously she had two children so something is working).  Those very medical professionals that weigh her are also tracking to make sure she doesn't lose weight and if she does to address the situation forthright and perhaps intensify the therapy.   

27 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

I noticed that Jules rambled and talked hyper fast. Dorinda describing her ED as 'an eating thing' was a little naive on Dorinda's part. I don't think Dorinda knows how serious an ED can be.. Jules rambled on so fast that I had to back up and listen a few times to get all she said. She sobbed as she said "I always have a happy face and make people feel good, and....nobody takes care of me". She went on and on complaining about Michael not giving the kids a bath and the nanny quitting, etc. etc. "Nobody takes care of me". "I was so happy in the hospital, I asked for late checkout". "I just wanted someone to take care of me". She said that twice.

For a woman that claims she sees two different doctors two times a week, a shrink and a therapist, she's certainly not getting the help she needs. Jules is in total denial no matter what she claims. Even when she's weighed at the doctor, she turns backwards on the scale so she can't see the number and she doesn't want to know the number. Her eating disorder is just one of her issues. I don't think that Jules will ever recover from her eating disorder unless she resolves her underlying issues first. There's a reason why a person has a overwhelming need to be seen and recognized in the ways that Jules does.

One thing I noticed Dorinda do and she obviously doesn't know better is walk in and talk about her weight.  I don't know if immaturity is a mental illness, but throughout this run of the show we have seen most of the RH with children have an awful lot in the way of personal services personnel.  Ramona's husband took Avery to school (and his mother lived with them until her death), so Ramona could sleep in and focus on her business, Luann had a nanny, Bethenny has always had a roomful of people to tend to her needs, even when she was broke, Heather had her mini-meltdown over her nanny leaving, Sonja and her crew pre-divorce and the revolving door of interns.  I don't find it a sign of mental illness, for a patient returning home from a physical injury to expect their spouse to perform some rudimentary chores and tend to their children.  To not so falls on the neglect side. If Jules had said, "I returned home and there was dog crap allover, the dog's water bowl was empty and he hadn't been fed for 36 hours-the viewers would want Michael's head.  If all Michael can provide is money for additional therapists then maybe her marriage needs to be addressed.

Usually metal health disorders are treated concomitantly. For example if a person has OCD and is an alcoholic it is difficult because the mental health practitioners want the alcoholism addressed first and the addiction specialist have a difficult time because of the underlying mental illness disorder.  So if Jules has say a learning disability, in the form of ADD, and it causes her not to perform well in school, and her lack of self-confidence and control lead to an eating disorder which rendered her 80 pounds, the treatment team, so to speak, had to address the life threatening issue first.

Most of all mental health disorders are treatable but not necessarily curable.  It always irks me one of the RH refers to another as stupid.  As in "you can't fix stupid."  Or when they pick at someone because they aren't physically coordinated.  Is the solution to tell someone they need to work on being smarter?  Or learn how to swim?  Just because someone is uncomfortable with another's limitations doesn't make them correct.  Some things can be managed but not necessarily managed to society's ideal of normal.

[WireWrap]

55 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

I just watched parts of this episode all over again, only the parts with Jules. I had already commented on the weird pizza making behavior of Jules but this time around I noticed some very strange dialog that she had with Dorinda in Jules' apartment. This part doesn't matter but when she said "try a fish stick, we baked them just now, me and Maria my new nanny". I looked at the sheet pan that she picked up a few from and initially had thought they were store made macaroon cookies, they didn't look anything like fish sticks. I thought it was strange that she would serve Dorinda fish sticks with wine in the afternoon and not macaroons. LOL! Okay I know that sounds so crazy so I'll continue with what I was originally going to comment about in this segment.

I noticed that Jules rambled and talked hyper fast. Dorinda describing her ED as 'an eating thing' was a little naive on Dorinda's part. I don't think Dorinda knows how serious an ED can be.. Jules rambled on so fast that I had to back up and listen a few times to get all she said. She sobbed as she said "I always have a happy face and make people feel good, and....nobody takes care of me". She went on and on complaining about Michael not giving the kids a bath and the nanny quitting, etc. etc. "Nobody takes care of me". "I was so happy in the hospital, I asked for late checkout". "I just wanted someone to take care of me". She said that twice.

For a woman that claims she sees two different doctors two times a week, a shrink and a therapist, she's certainly not getting the help she needs. Jules is in total denial no matter what she claims. Even when she's weighed at the doctor, she turns backwards on the scale so she can't see the number and she doesn't want to know the number. Her eating disorder is just one of her issues. I don't think that Jules will ever recover from her eating disorder unless she resolves her underlying issues first. There's a reason why a person has a overwhelming need to be seen and recognized in the ways that Jules does.

All of this makes the way Bethenny/Carole talked to her even more disturbing, especially on Bethenny's part. Bethenny admitted to knowing/meeting Jules a few years ago, of having a hand in her getting hired for the show and that she knew Jules/Michaels marriage was bad/falling apart before filming began this season. She, B, openly accuses Jules of having an ED to Dorinda when she meets her for the first time during filming, which Jules confirms in a 1 on 1 with her, yet Bethenny  (and to a slightly lesser extent Carole) keep poking at her in group settings on camera. Have some compassion, I get it, they are on a reality show, but sit with Jules 1 on 1 and talk/ask about her ED/health, not at a restaurant with the majority of the other HWs present.

[RedheadZombie]

7 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I can't find the post, but I recall that a nurse upthread reported a similar injury on a six-year-old girl, from crawling through a window.  Other people have noted that in NYC, it's not uncommon to go through windows to get to fire escapes and the like, maybe to smoke a cigarette.

I think you're referring to my post.  But it was actually a five year old girl who was injured on the metal tracks of a shower door.  No climbing out the window.

16 hours ago, Granimal said:

Also agree that mental disorders are often looked on as moral failings. If only the afflicted were stronger or would try harder she would be cured! (And I'm using that pronoun on purpose.)

That being said, I do think Jules is not ready at this point to provide stability for herself. She appears to need some help coping with daily stressors in healthy ways. Her comment about how she views therapy was very telling. You're not getting help if you go into therapy and have nothing to talk about! My guess is that she's either people-pleasing her therapist by pretending to be okay (or the obvious reason), or it's a necessity to attend the apt. to get the prescription for Adderall.

I was very interested in the possibility of an eating disorder role model story, since I believe that these disorders are MUCH more common than society would like to admit. Unfortunately, that goal seems to have backfired and put more undue stress on Jules.  It appears we will not hear that story, but rather see oddities such as the calzone (zone) incident.

If someone allowed me to cut into a piece of food with random metal objects in it, I would be pissed! Somebody could've ended up with a hematomato in their mouth! That's not funny or cute. You don't mess with food that you offer to other people. Jules and her ice-bucket kosher-ness should be especially respectful of this basic principle. WTF can be said that hasn't already been said? In all fairness, I think that Jules does try hard (on camera) to be nice and likeable and not talk badly about the others (besides her husband), but I don't think she is all sweetness and light, and this has nothing to do with the eating disorder. Her condo dispute displays a certain attitude that I find off-putting.

Is Michael a bad father? According to Jules- yes. Although during the police altercation he appeared to be taking the older boy to school, so thank God they got the ever-perplexing ride situation figured out. Have to say if my hubby provided me with that home and a nanny/housekeeper, I'd be quite happy to handle a diaper change at the end of the night. Yes, this was after the hematomato, but we got the last story of pretty much the same incident after she visited her sick dad. Not to downplay either event, but life goes on. As Jules herself said, she can't just lay in bed for 3 days like she did in her 20's. I don't get the impression that Jules OR Michael want to be hands-on parents. Luckily, they have a choice (or had a choice). My thoughts on the phone calls to M are pointless at best, but I do like how Jules got in her "Who is he with?" line. You lay that groundwork! Put it together so that even the sleeping viewers don't miss any of the anvils. (I'm not pro-Michael btw.)

Jules does seem very eager to show off her injury. I don't get it, but I don't judge. Just notice it because its very contrary to my nature.

Jules is incredibly confusing, but fascinating like a car wreck.  I feel like a voyeur watching her mess, and feel a little guilty for discussing such serious issues.  But I think it's possible to discuss them in an acceptable way, and this is a reality show, after all.

Agree about public perception of mental illness.  Another misnomer is people with mental illness are completely self-involved.  What's the first thing you hear when a parent has committed suicide?  "Oh my God, they are so selfish!  They don't even care about their kids!"  When in actuality, clinical depression can be so isolating, so all consuming, that you think suicide is saving your children from you.  And it's the only way to end the suffering.

So yes, Jules comes off as completely self-involved.  I've commented on it myself.  But it makes so much more sense now that we've seen how her life is in free-fall.  She seems to feel her life is out of control, she's helpless to stop it, she feels (erroneously) that she has no support, and she's acting out in very unhealthy ways as a coping mechanism.

Regarding showing off those pics - I'm thinking that Jules is doing this in a self-deprecating sort of way.  Like - Oh my God, can you believe I'm such a klutz?  Can't even climb through a window without injuring the vadge.  She's making light of it in hopes of masking how serious it is.  She doesn't seem to realize she's actually making it a bigger issue.  And in retrospect, it's a little disturbing that while watching it after the fact, her blog is focusing on how she was wronged, versus some self-awareness of her behavior.  So looking in a mirror is accomplishing nothing.  It's actually reinforcing her belief that no one cares about her welfare, no one helps her in her daily life, etc.  She's stuck on martyr.

[RedheadZombie]

6 hours ago, HumblePi said:

I watched the video and saw that there's a door leading outside to a large deck. I would think she would go outside there to smoke if she wanted to and not have the need to straddle over a broken glass window sill. But the thing that made me shudder just a little is when she mentioned there's a glass floor looking down into Michael's office underneath the glass where she sometimes will wear a dress with no underpants and sit on it, "if he's a good boy".  Who does that? What if he had a client or someone else in his office out of view and suddenly there's Jules ass in view up on the ceiling? This is a strange and kinky couple. The vaginal contusions and/or lacerations mystery continues.

OMG.  I do not remember her talking about that.  When did that conversation happen?

1 hour ago, JakeyJokes said:

A high school friend of mine was in treatment for anorexia and I remember her telling me that -- in treatment -- patients are told to turn away from the scale because they are so obsessive with "the number". One time my friend was accidentally told by a nurse who didn't know proper procedure and a meltdown occurred.

The fact that Jules is still using a behavior of someone currently in treatment (and not recovered) may speak volumes.

I agree that it's very telling that Jules is still using these mechanisms.  I know many women who've experienced EDs, and never picked up on these Jules-like behaviors.  It make me suspect that Jules has never truly been in recovery, but has perfected keeping her weight just so, and saying just the right thing.  As I said in an earlier post, ED sufferers love to share their secrets with one another.  They think their ED makes them special, and their ability to go without food proves how strong and beautiful they are.  Add to it that people typically don't like to ask about this type of thing, and Jules can coast for years with this behavior.  It's unthinkable to me that she's convinced an MD to prescribe a stimulant.  It's malpractice, IMO.

[Umbelina]

I have to say, I adore men who help to care for the children, my brother in law was very much like that, and pitched in all the time, especially when he could see my sister was at the end of her rope, even while holding down two jobs.

That said, it does kind of bother me when Jules says Michael doesn't help at all.  I mean, hello!  Who does she thinks pays for the food, apartment, her stuffed full closet, the kids clothes, and the nanny?  I realize she doesn't eat any food, or very little, but kids cost money, and so does living in NY.  Until RHBH, a 2 month job, maybe 3, even even then only a few hours a week, did the woman contribute anything to help support that family? 

I used to joke that I'd happily pay for a "wife" just to take care of everything, and I do think women are undervalued for their contributions to the joint work of marriage, especially with kids involved, but damn Jules.  Michael works, that IS a contribution.  I feel like sometimes, and this doesn't just happen in marriages, it happens in relationships between SAHM's and Working Women as well.  Neither side seems to get that BOTH sides have difficulties and aren't "fun" all the time, actually, sometimes "fun" is pretty rare.  It's just life, but that "grass is always greener" thing applies.  For example, I seriously doubt Jules could make as much money or do the 9-5, or 8-10 job Michael does and be "happy."  So appreciate that a bit.  Michael probably does understand some of Jules' issues, but seriously, with a nanny to do most of the heavy lifting for most of the day, WTF? 

ETA

I also think Jules is pretty damn calculating here about the divorce and the kids.  Showing her daughters plump belly was just as deliberate as her  constant complaints about Michael "not doing anything." 

and

She hires a nanny to take care of HER, do her blow outs, do her shopping, she already has a make up person so I guess that's OK.  These are little kids, probably in bed by 8 at the latest, so what does she have of their waking hours alone with them? Maybe two hours before the nanny gets there in the morning and a few hours before bedtime?  I'm sure the nanny feeds, baths, and plays with them during the day, cleans up the messes and sticky fingers, and hand them off sleepy and clean to mom later.  Oh!  Do the kids attend a pre school too? 

I mean really, suck it up buttercup.

Edited July 2, 2016 by Umbelina

[notnowimbusy]

Now when people question her weight, Jules will say it's NOT her ED, but the stress from her divorce from Michael, and having to take care of the kids on her own.   I think it's interesting that he's still living in the apartment.   It's either for spite, or they flat out don't have the money she would like people to think they have.   This is going to be a long divorce.  They won't settle until they sell that monstrosity in the Hamptons, and in it's current condition, that could be awhile. 

[HumblePi]

40 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

OMG.  I do not remember her talking about that.  When did that conversation happen?

I agree that it's very telling that Jules is still using these mechanisms.  I know many women who've experienced EDs, and never picked up on these Jules-like behaviors.  It make me suspect that Jules has never truly been in recovery, but has perfected keeping her weight just so, and saying just the right thing.  As I said in an earlier post, ED sufferers love to share their secrets with one another.  They think their ED makes them special, and their ability to go without food proves how strong and beautiful they are.  Add to it that people typically don't like to ask about this type of thing, and Jules can coast for years with this behavior.  It's unthinkable to me that she's convinced an MD to prescribe a stimulant.  It's malpractice, IMO.

  She said it on the tour of her apartment, the link provided by 'biakbiak' below

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

There is a door to their "large"by Manhattan standards outdoor space but she never said it happened at home. You can see it in the Tour of her house, it's right off the dining area. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/videos/go-inside-jules-wainsteins-nyc-apartment

[straightshooter]

Can anyone tell me exactly what Bethenny claims is so horrible about her in-laws?  I thought they were nothing but loving and nurturing with Bryn anytime we saw them with her.  Is it just about nothing but control?   I've always thought she knew that they had her number and that was really threatening to her.  

My worst nightmare involving my child would never be that she had to be with another family who loved and cared for her. 

Edited July 3, 2016 by straightshooter

[WireWrap]

28 minutes ago, straightshooter said:

Can anyone tell me exactly what Bethenny claims is so horrible about her in-laws?  I thought they were nothing but loving and nurturing with Bryn anytime we saw them with her.  Is it just about nothing but control?   I've always thought she knew that they had her number and that was really threatening to her.  

My worst nightmare involving my child would never be that she had to be with another family who loved and cared for her. 

She felt they were too intrusive. Bethenny only wanted to see them a few times a year and not on holidays. They wanted too much time with them and Bethenny wanted minimal time with them. Bethenny had no family ties of her own and resented that not only did Jason have family but that he loved being with them.

[QuinnM]

On BEA there was an argument over going to his parents every weekend. She wanted some quality time after working all week. His compromise was that he would just take the baby and she could stay in NYC.  She wanted the three of them to do things like walki in the park etc. he told her she had no idea how families worked. 

Every weekend?  

Next was his fathers behavior in front of staff after the divorce filing. They documented him walking around in his boxers and eating from craft services. 

But the creepiest behavior belongs to his mother who notarized a document giving him half the apartment.  A document the court ruled as fraudulent. Hence the big freeloader had to move after three years of Bethenny paying the roof over his head.

So she is probably a little distrustful of a couple of clinging criminals.

I!m answering since I believe them to be two of the creepiest people ever. And that was before they conspired to steal from her. 

[WireWrap]

33 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

On BEA there was an argument over going to his parents every weekend. She wanted some quality time after working all week. His compromise was that he would just take the baby and she could stay in NYC.  She wanted the three of them to do things like walki in the park etc. he told her she had no idea how families worked. 

Every weekend?  

Next was his fathers behavior in front of staff after the divorce filing. They documented him walking around in his boxers and eating from craft services. 

But the creepiest behavior belongs to his mother who notarized a document giving him half the apartment.  A document the court ruled as fraudulent. Hence the big freeloader had to move after three years of Bethenny paying the roof over his head.

So she is probably a little distrustful of a couple of clinging criminals.

I!m answering since I believe them to be two of the creepiest people ever. And that was before they conspired to steal from her. 

Answering in Bethenny/Jason divorce thread.

[film noire]

On 7/1/2016 at 4:49 PM, pbutler111 said:

She just can't win, can she?

She could quit the show and then we'd all win.

[ryebread]

In the car with Kevin, Beth says she doesn't know what a "Pre-Op" appointment is.  She's had surgery before and says she doesn't know what a Pre-Op is??  MmmHmmm.

Then she wonders what the doc's answer will be regarding if she can exercise or not while she's losing buckets o' blood.  What do you think, dum dum.

She asks Kevin if he thinks she going too hard.  And his answer supplied exactly the ego stroke she was fishing for.

Also, she's a single mom with attorneys on speed dial and claims not to know what a Living Will is?

In her own words to Sonja, "You can't play stupid and smart at the same time."

Skinny Hypocrite Girl.

[AnnaMayWong]

On 7/3/2016 at 10:17 AM, ryebread said:

In the car witI Kevin, Beth says shepectiEric's  know what a "Pre-Op" appoi nt ment is.  She's had surgery before and says she doesn't know what a Pre-Op is??  MmmHmmm.

Then she wonders what the doc's answer will be regarding if she can exercise or not while she's losing buckets o' blood.  What do you think, dum dum.

She asks Kevin if he thinks she going too hard.  And his answer supplied exactly the ego stroke she was fishing for.

Also, she's a single mom with attorneys on speed dial and claims not to know what a Living Will is?

In her own words to Sonja, "You can't play stupid and smart at the same time."

Skinny Hypocrite Girl.

Luv this post, ryebread.

After re-watching the scene(During my original viewing, Bethenney's gnomish ASSpect proved irresistibly riveting.), I wondered the same. Pre-Op/LivingWill: Unaware?--strange but perhaps. The 'inquiry' about exercising was...well, I won't post my thoughts about such an inane...  

The most obvious irritant--Bethenney coaxing Kevin into commenting on her 'busy, busy, oh, so very busy po'  BUSY self' was a deliberate ploy to ego boost and to ensure that she share with the viewers HER perception of her 'important' and necessary never-ending busy BUSY lifestyle. Uugh.

Edited July 4, 2016 by Lisin
Fixed it for you :)

[Knuckles]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

"You can't play stupid and smart at the same time."

 

So much this. She had the pre-op appointment and signed all the relevant legal paperwork when she had her breast enlargement surgery. She is not some lost little lamb who just wandered out from the woods. Interesting that her tear-fest was  interrupted by a spike in fury that her hated in-laws might see her child. I do wonder if Bravo is kicking in some money for Kevin as he is doing a nice turn in a supporting role in her drama. 

[AnnaMayWong]

In the midst of clearing Sonja's oubliette, why would Dorinda believe that residents of Queens would desire/be grateful for Sonja's moldy and torn curtains ?  Why, periodically, does Dorinda cast Queens' residents as untutored, uncouth, and uncultured wretches?

[SparkleznConfetti]

17 hours ago, Umbelina said:

I have to say, I adore men who help to care for the children, my brother in law was very much like that, and pitched in all the time, especially when he could see my sister was at the end of her rope, even while holding down two jobs.

That said, it does kind of bother me when Jules says Michael doesn't help at all.  I mean, hello!  Who does she thinks pays for the food, apartment, her stuffed full closet, the kids clothes, and the nanny?  I realize she doesn't eat any food, or very little, but kids cost money, and so does living in NY.  Until RHBH, a 2 month job, maybe 3, even even then only a few hours a week, did the woman contribute anything to help support that family? 

I used to joke that I'd happily pay for a "wife" just to take care of everything, and I do think women are undervalued for their contributions to the joint work of marriage, especially with kids involved, but damn Jules.  Michael works, that IS a contribution.  I feel like sometimes, and this doesn't just happen in marriages, it happens in relationships between SAHM's and Working Women as well.  Neither side seems to get that BOTH sides have difficulties and aren't "fun" all the time, actually, sometimes "fun" is pretty rare.  It's just life, but that "grass is always greener" thing applies.  For example, I seriously doubt Jules could make as much money or do the 9-5, or 8-10 job Michael does and be "happy."  So appreciate that a bit.  Michael probably does understand some of Jules' issues, but seriously, with a nanny to do most of the heavy lifting for most of the day, WTF? 

ETA

I also think Jules is pretty damn calculating here about the divorce and the kids.  Showing her daughters plump belly was just as deliberate as her  constant complaints about Michael "not doing anything." 

and

She hires a nanny to take care of HER, do her blow outs, do her shopping, she already has a make up person so I guess that's OK.  These are little kids, probably in bed by 8 at the latest, so what does she have of their waking hours alone with them? Maybe two hours before the nanny gets there in the morning and a few hours before bedtime?  I'm sure the nanny feeds, baths, and plays with them during the day, cleans up the messes and sticky fingers, and hand them off sleepy and clean to mom later.  Oh!  Do the kids attend a pre school too? 

I mean really, suck it up buttercup.

A thousand times this- to the umpteenth power of the highest exponential notation!!!  Jules as sweet as she appears and I do believe she has a sweet side (if its genuine only time will tell) does not lead me to believe that she is a lamb being led to slaughter instead she maybe a wolf in sheep's clothing. I mean how clueless can you be when it comes to basic life? I mean like really? I think my indifference towards her ignited when I noticed her cavalier and entitled her attitude was towards the help. Enquiring minds what to know what was she contributing to the marriage other than her bills and her issues?

 

ETA 

Umbelina. I owe you a round on me.

Edited July 3, 2016 by SparkleznConfetti

[CriticalMass]

On 7/1/2016 at 0:56 PM, pbutler111 said:

. She doesn't have a lot of time or patience for people who jerk her around.

It's her job! One for which she willingly signed a contract. I don't like all of my co-workers but I try to exhibit basic manners. But,  I wasn't raised by wolves. She lost me Episode 1 this year with her tagline about truth. She's very crafty, HER truth, handle HER. What about the "truth" as evidenced by reality? 

[pbutler111]

13 hours ago, film noire said:

She could quit the show and then we'd all win.

Sure.  The ratings would tank again and the show would be canceled, leaving a lot of people here with hours of time on their hands they would have otherwise spent trashing a woman they've seen on TV but don't actually know much about.  Winning!

[NewDigs]

I don't regularly watch it and I don't think I'm alone. She ain't getting my clicks nor my ratings " boost".

I've tried to watch but have yet to make it through an entire episode. Guess why.

And her SG products will remain (bottom) shelved when I'm around.

Does she even have a fanbase?

Is she proud that people are watching because they love to hate? 

There is such a thing as bad publicity.

[Knuckles]

2 hours ago, BookElitist said:

Why, periodically, does Dorinda cast Queens' residents as untutored, uncouth, and uncultured wretches?

Isn't Dorinda originally from Queens...and isn't her John also from Queens?  Unfortunately, she was not to the manor born. Though keeping moldy curtains in your basement is akin to holding on to a bloody pillow...have these women no sense of elementary hygiene? Clean out your damn basement and ditch the pillow in a plastic bag before trashing it so the sanitation men are not exposed to blood. Simples.

[NewDigs]

Why the Queens mention. Sonja lives UES, I thought. I'm confused. They were going to drive her crap to Queens? 

[ElDosEquis]

17 hours ago, straightshooter said:

Can anyone tell me exactly what Bethenny claims is so horrible about her in-laws?  I thought they were nothing but loving and nurturing with Bryn anytime we saw them with her.  Is it just about nothing but control?   I've always thought she knew that they had her number and that was really threatening to her.  

My worst nightmare involving my child would never be that she had to be with another family who loved and cared for her. 

The lived in a small town.

His parents were actively involved with Bryn

They wanted to come into the city to spend MORE time with their grand-daughter.

They probably would spoil her rotten.

They would never think about putting on bryn's pajamas and put a photo on social media.

Grandma and Grandpa Hoppy don't fucking cuss like an em effer.

And Grandma Hoppy probably won't hemorrhage - and subject the poor child to out-of-control menstrual trauma????

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, pbutler111 said:

Sure.  The ratings would tank again and the show would be canceled, leaving a lot of people here with hours of time on their hands they would have otherwise spent trashing a woman they've seen on TV but don't actually know much about.  Winning!

There hasn't been much, if any, ratings increase since Bethenny rejoined the show according to the numbers. They are pretty consistent with what they were 2 seasons ago before Bethenny came back. She needs us in her life way more than we need her in our lives. LOL

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, pbutler111 said:

Sure.  The ratings would tank again and the show would be canceled, leaving a lot of people here with hours of time on their hands they would have otherwise spent trashing a woman they've seen on TV but don't actually know much about.  Winning!

The ratings went up after Bethenny' first exit and they were down the first year she returned.  So I think Bethenny puts a little too  much stock in her being the ratings booster.  When they had her big episode with her meeting with her former step father last year-it was the lowest rated episode.  So maybe there is some truth to the too much Bethenny curse.

[QuinnM]

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There hasn't been much, if any, ratings increase since Bethenny rejoined the show according to the numbers. They are pretty consistent with what they were 2 seasons ago before Bethenny came back. She needs us in her life way more than we need her in our lives. LOL

Andy said that they hadn't been this high in five seasons. It feels like this thread has never been this active. 

[NYCFree]

A few years ago we sold a Manhattan townhouse that had been in my family almost fifty years.  Our basement clean out was just like Sonja's.  However we topped her at having four pairs of crutches!  

I know what she meant as she was looking at objects that came from a different time.  It was hard throwing away mundane objects that had been used by my now deceased father.  Years of Hoarders watching actually helped with that, as I certainly didn't want to bring any of that really useless stuff to a new house.

[Midnight Cheese]

15 hours ago, film noire said:

She could quit the show and then we'd all win.

I am on bended knee.  Ha, and mwah!

2 hours ago, pbutler111 said:

Sure.  The ratings would tank again and the show would be canceled, leaving a lot of people here with hours of time on their hands they would have otherwise spent trashing a woman they've seen on TV but don't actually know much about.  Winning!

Don't forget about the time-savings involved in not having to tell people how wrong they are for interpreting a public figures actions in their own ways!

[SweetieDarling]

3 hours ago, BookElitist said:

In the midst of clearing Sonja's oubliette, why would Dorinda believe that residents of Queens would desire/be grateful for Sonja's moldy and torn curtains ?  Why, periodically, does Dorinda cast Queens' residents as untutored, uncouth, and uncultured wretches?

I thought she was making a reference to John's dry cleaning business, as if the locals would be waiting in line for John to get done cleaning them, so they could buy them.

[zoeysmom]

Carole brought up an interesting point in her blog, she claims hell would freeze over before anyone sat down and asked her what was going on with her.  Could it be Carole is realizing she brings nothing to the show?  Her entire existence is to be Bethenny's back up?  I started to give it a tiny bit of thought and it came to me Carole does nothing.  She has no job outside the show, by her account not a relationship that will be going the distance, I wonder what she would say if asked?  We are raising money for Adam's Grow Bar business?  Another riveting psychic experience.  I guess her highlight of the year was the dog wedding. 

In response to a tweet Carole said the following:

"Love Ramona but she is ridic. . all the single women I know are happier than the married women I know.  Including me" 

Maybe deep thoughts such as the above are the reason no one seems to want to listen to Carole.  I think the only original thought she had washer first meeting with Bethenny when she claimed she dreamed of having sex with her.  I think at this point Carole is pretty expendable.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, Knuckles said:

Isn't Dorinda originally from Queens...and isn't her John also from Queens?  

Dorinda was born and raised in the Berkshires.

[NewDigs]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Andy said that they hadn't been this high in five seasons. It feels like this thread has never been this active. 

Andy kind of has to say that.

I prefer an independent source.

Wouldn't bother me if they cancelled it or booted her. I bet these threads would survive. (example: the Duggar forum)

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Andy said that they hadn't been this high in five seasons. It feels like this thread has never been this active. 

I believe Andy about the ratings as much as I believe him when he says there is "no staging" on any of the HW shows, that it is all real. LOL And the episode threads were very busy last season and the season before. We all enjoy talking about the show, more so when we are unhappy/frustrated. LOL

[Umbelina]

23 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

Andy kind of has to say that.

I prefer an independent source.

Wouldn't bother me if they cancelled it or booted her. I bet these threads would survive. (example: the Duggar forum)

http://bravowhore.com/RHONY

I don't want to go through them all, but here you go.  This site has the easiest graphics, and you can see most/all of the seasons by episode.  I think Andy said that after the episode at Dorinda's holiday party though.

Edited July 3, 2016 by Umbelina

[Umbelina]

6 hours ago, SparkleznConfetti said:

A thousand times this- to the umpteenth power of the highest exponential notation!!!  Jules as sweet as she appears and I do believe she has a sweet side (if its genuine only time will tell) does not lead me to believe that she is a lamb being led to slaughter instead she maybe a wolf in sheep's clothing. I mean how clueless can you be when it comes to basic life? I mean like really? I think my indifference towards her ignited when I noticed her cavalier and entitled her attitude was towards the help. Enquiring minds what to know what was she contributing to the marriage other than her bills and her issues?

 

ETA 

Umbelina. I owe you a round on me.

Aw, thanks.  I'll take a blended margarita with salted rim, not skinny please.

I forgot to mention the maid, and I said RHBH instead of RHNY, but oh well...

[NewDigs]

38 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

http://bravowhore.com/RHONY

I don't want to go through them all, but here you go.  This site has the easiest graphics, and you can see most/all of the seasons by episode.  I think Andy said that after the episode at Dorinda's holiday party though.

I'm not gonna bother episode by episode but are those numbers total viewers?

Average season 6 = 1.29 (million)

Average season 7 = 1.25

Average season 8 = 1.42

Is that increase really all that much? What is that? A 10% increase? I honestly don't know if that's huge or not.

Bethy must be very proud.

But never humbled.

Edited July 3, 2016 by NewDigs

[film noire]

5 hours ago, pbutler111 said:

trashing a woman they've seen on TV but don't actually know much about.  Winning!

But it's fine criticizing a woman poster  (whom you've read online, but don't actually know much about) to show how 'unwinning' it is to comment on a public figure -- and in a forum dedicated to that purpose -- seems like an odd standard to me.

Edited July 3, 2016 by film noire

[ButterQueen]

46 minutes ago, film noire said:

But it's fine criticizing a woman poster  (whom you've read online, but don't actually know much about) to show how 'unwinning' it is to comment on a public figure -- and in a forum dedicated to that purpose -- seems like an odd standard to me.

AMEN

[KungFuBunny]

On 7/2/2016 at 7:43 PM, Umbelina said:

I have to say, I adore men who help to care for the children, my brother in law was very much like that, and pitched in all the time, especially when he could see my sister was at the end of her rope, even while holding down two jobs.

That said, it does kind of bother me when Jules says Michael doesn't help at all.  I mean, hello!  Who does she thinks pays for the food, apartment, her stuffed full closet, the kids clothes, and the nanny?  I realize she doesn't eat any food, or very little, but kids cost money, and so does living in NY.  Until RHBH, a 2 month job, maybe 3, even even then only a few hours a week, did the woman contribute anything to help support that family? 

I used to joke that I'd happily pay for a "wife" just to take care of everything, and I do think women are undervalued for their contributions to the joint work of marriage, especially with kids involved, but damn Jules.  Michael works, that IS a contribution.  I feel like sometimes, and this doesn't just happen in marriages, it happens in relationships between SAHM's and Working Women as well.  Neither side seems to get that BOTH sides have difficulties and aren't "fun" all the time, actually, sometimes "fun" is pretty rare.  It's just life, but that "grass is always greener" thing applies.  For example, I seriously doubt Jules could make as much money or do the 9-5, or 8-10 job Michael does and be "happy."  So appreciate that a bit.  Michael probably does understand some of Jules' issues, but seriously, with a nanny to do most of the heavy lifting for most of the day, WTF? 

ETA

I also think Jules is pretty damn calculating here about the divorce and the kids.  Showing her daughters plump belly was just as deliberate as her  constant complaints about Michael "not doing anything." 

and

She hires a nanny to take care of HER, do her blow outs, do her shopping, she already has a make up person so I guess that's OK.  These are little kids, probably in bed by 8 at the latest, so what does she have of their waking hours alone with them? Maybe two hours before the nanny gets there in the morning and a few hours before bedtime?  I'm sure the nanny feeds, baths, and plays with them during the day, cleans up the messes and sticky fingers, and hand them off sleepy and clean to mom later.  Oh!  Do the kids attend a pre school too? 

I mean really, suck it up buttercup.

I’m still giving Jules the side eye.

In terms of the nanny. Michael’s questions to the candidate were regarding the care of the children and he wanted someone fluent in Spanish. How can Jules be married to this man for 8 years and not know simple sentences/phrases she can say to the nanny? The nitwit surely has a smart phone with Google Translate App. She can type in please put the food on the table in English and put the phone on speaker and it will say the instructions out loud in Spanish. We see the new nanny who she introduces to Sonja. She tells the viewers we are playing charades and the new nanny doesn’t understand that these biscuits are for the dogs not for people. Why is the nanny serving dog biscuits to the dogs when she is supposed to be the freaking nanny. She doesn’t know how to say pretty in Spanish. Seriously after 8 years of marriage? I really don’t like how she bad mouths Michael like he totally ignores the kids. I haven’t seen them run screaming away from him and he takes Jagger to school in the mornings. If they are fluent in Spanish – then he must be speaking to them too.  I also found that Prive scene odd. You invite a friend to get her makeup done at your place, she brings her dog – this is all for the dog wedding…but she goes home and you don’t go together to the event?

You don’t like Bethenny and Carole talking about what happened at Wild behind your back and these are not your friends…but you do the same thing to your husband. When Jules was talking to Dorinda while John and Michael were outside, did you notice when Dorinda tries to address the issue…Jules stops Dorinda whispers to her and then changes the tone of what she said retelling it differently to John & Michael. I think she’s stupid but I also think she is sneaky and slick.

Someone mentioned that for the Wild Pizza event – Jules came straight from the hospital. If she was in the hospital for 3 days – they don’t release you unless someone shows up to take you home. So instead of going home to see her kids, she chooses to go eat pizza? If she came straight from the hospital she also would have had her doughnut pillow on her then.

Jules stuck the utensils in the calzone in the kitchen. I find it hard to believe that none of the other ladies ddn’t notice it as that table wasn’t that huge. The guy who bought it out was smirking so he saw what went inside it too. So who knows what else she put in there…for all we know she put some of those drugs she listed to Carole into it. Would she even confess or recall since she was all loopy on the meds? If I were in Bethenny’s shoes who was the only one who ate some, I would have popped Jules in the mouth .  You’d be able to stop fake eating Jules cause you’d have a legitimate reason of not being capable of eating due to missing teeth.

[zoeysmom]

Jules, according to Dorinda was released from the hospital earlier in the day.  She most likely had her prescriptions with her as filming can run long and she might not have wanted to be filmed while sedated and her pain medication in case things got too painful. 

As far as drugs in the pizza, I can't imagine production who is listening and viewing the tapes, would not have intervened if she actually put drugs in the calzone.  To see it and allow it would be a huge liability and I doubt they would let the self-proclaimed superstar go down on drugs in the calzone.  As far as the stainless steel I doubt anyone would have bitten straight away and risk their veneers.  It was a weird thing to do and they can talk about a joke gone south the rest of the season. 

I don't think Jules is under the influence, I think when she gets stressed she redirects the conversation.  When she was in the Berkshires and had witnessed a good part of Luann getting reamed she decided to make it about her and her dad.  You would think she could have offered a empathetic comment. Her dad's condition had not changed since she first walked in and announced (and was ignored) about her father.  She is all about the me.

[WireWrap]

38 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Jules, according to Dorinda was released from the hospital earlier in the day.  She most likely had her prescriptions with her as filming can run long and she might not have wanted to be filmed while sedated and her pain medication in case things got too painful. 

As far as drugs in the pizza, I can't imagine production who is listening and viewing the tapes, would not have intervened if she actually put drugs in the calzone.  To see it and allow it would be a huge liability and I doubt they would let the self-proclaimed superstar go down on drugs in the calzone.  As far as the stainless steel I doubt anyone would have bitten straight away and risk their veneers.  It was a weird thing to do and they can talk about a joke gone south the rest of the season. 

I don't think Jules is under the influence, I think when she gets stressed she redirects the conversation.  When she was in the Berkshires and had witnessed a good part of Luann getting reamed she decided to make it about her and her dad.  You would think she could have offered a empathetic comment. Her dad's condition had not changed since she first walked in and announced (and was ignored) about her father.  She is all about the me.

Not to mention that Carole watched Jules like a hawk! Why didn't Carole stop Jules from putting those things in the calzone in the first place or warn everyone about it either before or when they were bringing it to the table and before Bethenny or anyone else tried it? Something is off in this scenario, way off, unless it was staged from the get go.

Edited July 4, 2016 by WireWrap

[AnnaMayWong]

* 'Spare me your petty judgements. They spring from brains too meager to comprehend MY reality'.  --            Bethenney's™ perspective toward all beings in the universe. (okay, okay. posssible exclusions--some Wolves and Lycanthropes)

 

 

 

* quote corruption from the  "X-MEN:..."  movie character, Apocalypse.