S08.E07: Airing Your Dirty Laundry

[Neurochick]

12 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

But I do understand her anger about one of my pet peeves about these Housewives.  They slap their name on anything and promote it.  Clearly, these idiots didn't put the effort into developing a business that Beth did.

That may be true, but how does that hurt Bethenny?  Her business is fine.  If other people want to play at business and they don't want to work, that's on them.

Bethenny might have some resentment when it comes to Sonja.  Maybe Bethenny feels that Sonja, when she was younger, got by on her looks, in ways that Bethenny could not.  Bethenny never married an older, rich man; maybe Bethenny feels that Sonja had an easy life because of that.  

Someone once told me that when you marry a rich man, you earn every penny.  

[sasha206]

36 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

That may be true, but how does that hurt Bethenny?  Her business is fine.  If other people want to play at business and they don't want to work, that's on them.

Bethenny might have some resentment when it comes to Sonja.  Maybe Bethenny feels that Sonja, when she was younger, got by on her looks, in ways that Bethenny could not.  Bethenny never married an older, rich man; maybe Bethenny feels that Sonja had an easy life because of that.  

Someone once told me that when you marry a rich man, you earn every penny.  

I think it's more a feeling of betrayal than anything else.  

[Umbelina]

3 hours ago, sasha206 said:

There *has* to be a better term than "squirting" to use here.  That word is up there with "moist" and "panties."

Female Ejaculation. 

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

Bethenny gets on my nerves big time as she has become a caricature of herself I feel.  But I do understand her anger about one of my pet peeves about these Housewives.  They slap their name on anything and promote it.  Clearly, these idiots didn't put the effort into developing a business that Beth did.  How many Housewives businesses suddenly crop up with none of them appearing to have spent any time really working on it?  On her radio show, Beth said that that's the thing that bothers her most about this -- the sham businesses that they put no blood, sweat and tears in.

And I think part of the reason Beth essentially destroyed Sonja is that she can't answer a direct question about her business.  So it's even more obvious that the brand is really a cheater brand.  Meanwhile, Sonja just "wants to put her daughter through school."  Wouldn't her ex pay for that?  And why can't she sell that dated townhouse of hers, get something small and manageable and live well off the proceeds?

At this point in Bethenny's business, she is also slapping labels on products and hoping she gets a winner as well. She isn't the one developing these SKG food products, she has partnered with other companies that do all the work and use her label on their products.

Edited May 22, 2016 by WireWrap

[Satchels of gold]

Ok, listen. I will personally get in my car and drive to each and every posters house and give you five dollars if you don't mention any activities that go on in Lu's private parts ( you know, where her bathing suit covers) . I'm glad Lu just laughed it off and I'm fairly certain I was more embarrassed then she was. Good for Lu, I've been in a shame spiral since I heard it.  I have a love/ hate with all the ladies of NY but I'm now officially done with Ramona. I will be in NYC later this week and I vow to find Ramona and kick her in the shins, ok I probably won't kick her but I will give her a VERY dirty look . If I can't find Ramona I will seek out Dorinda and offer to get drunk with her and talk trash behind Ramona's back.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

And I think part of the reason Beth essentially destroyed Sonja is that she can't answer a direct question about her business.  So it's even more obvious that the brand is really a cheater brand.

Exactly. Sonja is impossible to talk to. We've seen Bethenny try multiple times, and she starts out calm and collected. But it's like talking to a brick wall. If you say anything outside of Sonja's delusional narrative about her life, it won't get through. She'll deflect, change the subject, act like she's having a totally different conversation. I can see why Bethenny got as irritated as she did. But when Sonja started tearing up, she did simmer down, end the conversation, and wish her well.

[tinaw]

21 minutes ago, Satchels of gold said:

 I have a love/ hate with all the ladies of NY but I'm now officially done with Ramona. I will be in NYC later this week and I vow to find Ramona and kick her in the shins, ok I probably won't kick her but I will give her a VERY dirty look . If I can't find Ramona I will seek out Dorinda and offer to get drunk with her and talk trash behind Ramona's back.

I will pay you $5 dollars if you actually kick Ramona is the shins. If you need help I will help you as well. 

If you could push Dorinda off that damn cliff too would be great

[sasha206]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

At this point in Bethenny's business, she is also slapping labels on products and hoping she gets a winner as well. She isn't the one developing these SKG food products, she has partnered with other companies that do all the work and use her label on their products.

True.  But Bethenny did the grunt work to get a brand together.  I think that's the rub and because it's a friend of hers latching onto her success through a cheater brand.  I'm guessing if the name was something like "Typsy Goldigger" Beth wouldn't be upset.

Again if you look through my posts, I'm not lover of Bethenny anymore.  But I can understand why this pissed her off because it really does seem like an obvious ploy off Skinny Girl success.  Now, I do think it's ridiculous to claim ownership to a word ending with "y" and "girl" together for a product, but still.  I can see why it's annoying.

[sasha206]

It's not even the first time Sonja has done something similar to Skinny Girl.  See logo.  Granted this was a no-go, but it looks like a copy cat silhouette.

Edited May 22, 2016 by sasha206

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

Exactly. Sonja is impossible to talk to. We've seen Bethenny try multiple times, and she starts out calm and collected. But it's like talking to a brick wall. If you say anything outside of Sonja's delusional narrative about her life, it won't get through. She'll deflect, change the subject, act like she's having a totally different conversation. I can see why Bethenny got as irritated as she did. But when Sonja started tearing up, she did simmer down, end the conversation, and wish her well.

The thing is, Sonja has always been like this and Bethenny is well aware of that. She knows that talking to Sonja is like talking to a brick wall, nothing gets through....especially reality. So....Bethenny berating her changed nothing, nothing at all.

37 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

True.  But Bethenny did the grunt work to get a brand together.  I think that's the rub and because it's a friend of hers latching onto her success through a cheater brand.  I'm guessing if the name was something like "Typsy Goldigger" Beth wouldn't be upset.

Again if you look through my posts, I'm not lover of Bethenny anymore.  But I can understand why this pissed her off because it really does seem like an obvious ploy off Skinny Girl success.  Now, I do think it's ridiculous to claim ownership to a word ending with "y" and "girl" together for a product, but still.  I can see why it's annoying.

For me, 3 things stick out, 1....Bethenny knows Sonja did not name the wine, 2......she did it in front of her employees, very unprofessional, 3.......I really believe that Ramona told Bethenny about the TG months earlier when Peter first offered it to her (before he asked Sonja to be the face of the drink) and she saved telling Sonja off for the show/cameras (again, very unprofessional).

33 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

It's not even the first time Sonja has done something similar to Skinny Girl.  See logo.  Granted this was a no-go, but it looks like a copy cat silhouette.

LOL....According to Sonja, that was designed for her by a viewer/fan after Heather's team made 2 different ones for her and well before Bethenny came back to the show.

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

The thing is, Sonja has always been like this and Bethenny is well aware of that. She knows that talking to Sonja is like talking to a brick wall, nothing gets through....especially reality. So....Bethenny berating her changed nothing, nothing at all.

For me, 3 things stick out, 1....Bethenny knows Sonja did not name the wine, 2......she did it in front of her employees, very unprofessional, 3.......I really believe that Ramona told Bethenny about the TG months earlier when Peter first offered it to her (before he asked Sonja to be the face of the drink) and she saved telling Sonja off for the show/cameras (again, very unprofessional).

LOL....According to Sonja, that was designed for her by a viewer/fan after Heather's team made 2 different ones for her and well before Bethenny came back to the show.

I stand corrected on the last one!  But she certainly was drawn to it! 

Yes all good points about the way Beth did it.  

Oddly enough, even though I know Sonja is sketchy, I have a soft spot in my heart for her and felt bad for her in a way too.\

I am still perplexed at why Sonja doesn't sell that house.  I understood why she didn't want to lose the hosue before the bankruptcy stuff and lawsuit was paid off, but isn't that all done now?  I know that house is a mess but seemingly in NYC, she could still get a nice penny out of it and buy something smaller with less upkeep.

[Umbelina]

I don't really think Bethenny berated her.  She laid it out quite clearly for Sonja.  Honestly it was about time someone did.  Heather would wave her arms and throw mini-frustrated tantrums about Sonja, or roll her eyes, or talk over her.  Bethenny was the first one to, point by point, explain exactly what Sonja was or was not doing, and telling her that she was done with her because of Sonja's actions.  It's not unlike a conversation you'd get at work when/if you seriously screwed something up, no hysterics, no wild accusations, simply the facts and her reaction to those facts (I'm done with you.)

Sonja seems to have a very strange obsession with that house, as if it's the last thing of "Lady Morgan" that still belongs to her.  No hot water (probably because the pipes burst because she wasn't heating it) and no repairs, she's holding on with her fingernails though.  That's part of the Grey Gardens mystique about her, holding on to a bit of the past, even if it's crumbling from lack of maintenance. 

[Bronzedog]

3 hours ago, Satchels of gold said:

 If I can't find Ramona I will seek out Dorinda and offer to get drunk with her and talk trash behind Ramona's back.

OK, but, be ready for her to suddenly be furious with you and leave in a huff.

[Satchels of gold]

3 hours ago, sasha206 said:

It's not even the first time Sonja has done something similar to Skinny Girl.  See logo.  Granted this was a no-go, but it looks like a copy cat silhouette.

That is clearly totally different. Can't you see the sexy j? /sarcasm font/

[Satchels of gold]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

OK, but, be ready for her to suddenly be furious with you and leave in a huff.

I will be careful not to mention Ramona, the fact that her daughter has catapillar brows, her mother( who may or may not be disappointed to hear she uses the F word) , the outer boroughs, dry cleaning, cocaine , her next husband who is not John, Viagra or how the Hamptons are superior to the Berkshires. I hope I thought of everything.

[Bronzedog]

4 minutes ago, Satchels of gold said:

I will be careful not to mention Ramona, the fact that her daughter has catapillar brows, her mother( who may or may not be disappointed to hear she uses the F word) , the outer boroughs, dry cleaning, cocaine , her next husband who is not John, Viagra or how the Hamptons are superior to the Berkshires. I hope I thought of everything.

It sounds like you're all set.  Just remember to take a balloon and introduce it as her late husband.

[sasha206]

26 minutes ago, Satchels of gold said:

That is clearly totally different. Can't you see the sexy j? /sarcasm font/

It's this type of humor that makes me love this board so much!

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I stand corrected on the last one!  But she certainly was drawn to it! 

Yes all good points about the way Beth did it.  

Oddly enough, even though I know Sonja is sketchy, I have a soft spot in my heart for her and felt bad for her in a way too.\

I am still perplexed at why Sonja doesn't sell that house.  I understood why she didn't want to lose the hosue before the bankruptcy stuff and lawsuit was paid off, but isn't that all done now?  I know that house is a mess but seemingly in NYC, she could still get a nice penny out of it and buy something smaller with less upkeep.

She won't sell the house because she won't give up the artifice. LuAnn sold her places because she wanted a nice comfortable place and a financial security blanket. Sonja won't ever do that because she doesn't want to admit that she's no longer Lady Morgan. She reminds me of Jane Krakowski's character on the second season of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Rather than admit that her financial circumstances have changed, she blows her entire $12 million settlement on an apartment and an $11.5 million painting to impress all of the women in her social circle.

[ryebread]

7 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Someone once told me that when you marry a rich man, you earn every penny.  

Nahh. Only if you don't love him.  If you fall head over heels for a guy and he just happens to be rich....that's just a bonus.

When Sonja told Lu that the heat was off to save money, I immediately thought of Scooby who said that in the heat of the summer he'd pass by Sonja's and all the windows would be wide open.  Probably so she wouldn't have to run the air conditioners.

I love her house.  Not the location, but a 5 story townhouse with a garden in Manhattan?  Yes, please. Looks like Lu had the whole 5th floor to herself.  Wonder if the elevator is fixed yet.

[sasha206]

30 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Nahh. Only if you don't love him.  If you fall head over heels for a guy and he just happens to be rich....that's just a bonus.

When Sonja told Lu that the heat was off to save money, I immediately thought of Scooby who said that in the heat of the summer he'd pass by Sonja's and all the windows would be wide open.  Probably so she wouldn't have to run the air conditioners.

I love her house.  Not the location, but a 5 story townhouse with a garden in Manhattan?  Yes, please. Looks like Lu had the whole 5th floor to herself.  Wonder if the elevator is fixed yet.

I love her townhouse as well, but if you can't afford to maintain it, then you might as well sell it for a pretty penny and buy something small that doesn't require the upkeep.   I'm sure it's awesome to have the room that she has but at the same time, it would be nicer to have a smaller, but well maintained apartment right?  I'd rather have Ramona's apartment or Carole's.  Would rather deck out a smaller place than have a big place that's falling apart and too expensive to maintain. 

[Grey Goose]

I can't hate Sonja but I'm starting to get a Miss Haversham vibe from her.  Ditched, then creaking around in that house that's falling down around her ears.  

[Atwood]

8 hours ago, sasha206 said:

am still perplexed at why Sonja doesn't sell that house.  I understood why she didn't want to lose the hosue before the bankruptcy stuff and lawsuit was paid off, but isn't that all done now?  I know that house is a mess but seemingly in NYC, she could still get a nice penny out of it and buy something smaller with less upkeep.

Sonja has at least a 3 million dollar mortgage on it, which she'll have to pay back if she sells it. They couldn't find a buyer for it last year when it was listed for 7,2 million, which means that a 6 million sale price is probably more realistic (perhaps even optimistic considering the state of the house). Then there's the taxes on any profits over the original purchase price (we know she hasn't made any significant renovations to deduct...)--in this case that will actually be a HUGE loss since they massively overpayed (over 9 million TWENTY years ago!) for a very narrow house, next to a huge public parking garage, a couple of blocks east of park ave. But I don't think Sonja has any similarly sized profits from capital that she can at least get out of paying taxes on in return for the three or four million capital loss. She's probably waiting for her big break first...

If she sells it right now, she'll probably be left with at most 2-3 million dollars. To most of us, that sounds pretty great, but it's not going to get her anything close to the Lady Morgan lifestyle.Sonja will have a really hard time getting a mortgage due to her bankruptcy history, so she'll have to pay cash for an apartment. And if she manages to find a co-op that accepts her, she'll still have to find one that lets her film the show.

I think she's betting on either making some huge profit off of something else, so she'll be able to "save" some taxes, AND buy something nice. Or for the market to go up enough for her townhouse to sell for more. I think both of those things are pretty optimistic, but Sonja's not exactly known for being realistic. 

[motorcitymom65]

After watching this episode, I am struck again by how much more these gals go after each other than do the gals on other shows. They are often more honest, but also they just get down in the mud and go after them. We just spent an entire season listening to the gals on the BH show talk about Lisa being manipulative. Can you imagine if this was the greatest insult being lobbed at any one of these gals? They go in hard, and yet somehow they usually end up just moving on. I think that is why this franchise is probably my favorite. They all do their job. 

I still cannot wrap my mind around what Ramona said about Lu. Is absolutely nothing sacred? The fact that she threw this around on camera is in itself horrible, but the fact that Harry was sharing this with Ramona in the first place more so. From what I have always understood, Harry and Lu still have a very friendly relationship. Why is he telling Ramona something like this? After watching Ramona admit she was trying to get dirt on Lu through Rey, I guess the case could be made that she went fishing for info on Lu, which just disgusts me. Why in the world would any of these gals ever trust her with any information?  And when did Ramona start talking like this? She has always been insane, but she use to like to pretend to be above some type of talk. I was shocked when she said that she thought Lu had just "fucked" Rey, not that there was a relationship. Remember the Ramona who fled the reunion stage in S1 because she couldn't handle listening to Alex even discuss per nude pictures? Now she is talking about squirting? 

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1 minute ago, motorcitymom65 said:

After watching this episode, I am struck again by how much more these gals go after each other than do the gals on other shows. They are often more honest, but also they just get down in the mud and go after them. We just spent an entire season listening to the gals on the BH show talk about Lisa being manipulative. Can you imagine if this was the greatest insult being lobbed at any one of these gals? They go in hard, and yet somehow they usually end up just moving on. I think that is why this franchise is probably my favorite. They all do their job. 

I still cannot wrap my mind around what Ramona said about Lu. Is absolutely nothing sacred? The fact that she threw this around on camera is in itself horrible, but the fact that Harry was sharing this with Ramona in the first place more so. From what I have always understood, Harry and Lu still have a very friendly relationship. Why is he telling Ramona something like this? After watching Ramona admit she was trying to get dirt on Lu through Rey, I guess the case could be made that she went fishing for info on Lu, which just disgusts me. Why in the world would any of these gals ever trust her with any information?  And when did Ramona start talking like this? She has always been insane, but she use to like to pretend to be above some type of talk. I was shocked when she said that she thought Lu had just "fucked" Rey, not that there was a relationship. Remember the Ramona who fled the reunion stage in S1 because she couldn't handle listening to Alex even discuss per nude pictures? Now she is talking about squirting? 

I think it comes down to no one is reminding Ramona to behave now that Mario is out of the picture. Add in that she isn't really sharing anything about her own personal life, we haven't seen her date/work/nothing beyond gossip (of course, that can be said about most of the NY HWs at this point), so she has to bring something and nasty gossip seems to be it.

[sasha206]

5 hours ago, Atwood said:

Sonja has at least a 3 million dollar mortgage on it, which she'll have to pay back if she sells it. They couldn't find a buyer for it last year when it was listed for 7,2 million, which means that a 6 million sale price is probably more realistic (perhaps even optimistic considering the state of the house). Then there's the taxes on any profits over the original purchase price (we know she hasn't made any significant renovations to deduct...)--in this case that will actually be a HUGE loss since they massively overpayed (over 9 million TWENTY years ago!) for a very narrow house, next to a huge public parking garage, a couple of blocks east of park ave. But I don't think Sonja has any similarly sized profits from capital that she can at least get out of paying taxes on in return for the three or four million capital loss. She's probably waiting for her big break first...

If she sells it right now, she'll probably be left with at most 2-3 million dollars. To most of us, that sounds pretty great, but it's not going to get her anything close to the Lady Morgan lifestyle.Sonja will have a really hard time getting a mortgage due to her bankruptcy history, so she'll have to pay cash for an apartment. And if she manages to find a co-op that accepts her, she'll still have to find one that lets her film the show.

I think she's betting on either making some huge profit off of something else, so she'll be able to "save" some taxes, AND buy something nice. Or for the market to go up enough for her townhouse to sell for more. I think both of those things are pretty optimistic, but Sonja's not exactly known for being realistic. 

Ah, thanks for that.  That makes more sense.

[Duke2801]

12 hours ago, Satchels of gold said:

I will be careful not to mention Ramona, the fact that her daughter has catapillar brows, her mother( who may or may not be disappointed to hear she uses the F word) , the outer boroughs, dry cleaning, cocaine , her next husband who is not John, Viagra or how the Hamptons are superior to the Berkshires. I hope I thought of everything.

Satchels!  You forgot the most important one!  Whatever you do, do NOT walk in ahead of her when you are going to a restaurant. THAT is an error punishable by drunken hand waving and loud, crumb-mouthed slurring!

However, if you do make an error, as long as you can back it up (and back it up quick) you should be good.

12 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

It sounds like you're all set.  Just remember to take a balloon and introduce it as her late husband.

O.m.g. If I'd had coffee in my mouth when I read this, it would be all over the keyboard now. I needed this little hilarious nugget on a Monday!!!

[bosawks]

18 hours ago, Satchels of gold said:

Ok, listen. I will personally get in my car and drive to each and every posters house and give you five dollars if you don't mention any activities that go on in Lu's private parts ( you know, where her bathing suit covers) . I'm glad Lu just laughed it off and I'm fairly certain I was more embarrassed then she was. Good for Lu, I've been in a shame spiral since I heard it.  I have a love/ hate with all the ladies of NY but I'm now officially done with Ramona. I will be in NYC later this week and I vow to find Ramona and kick her in the shins, ok I probably won't kick her but I will give her a VERY dirty look . If I can't find Ramona I will seek out Dorinda and offer to get drunk with her and talk trash behind Ramona's back.

I'm just waiting for Lu's new line of pineapple juice "Squirty Girl".

It has class written all over it.

[WireWrap]

8 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I'm just waiting for Lu's new line of pineapple juice "Squirty Girl".

It has class written all over it.

Now that you have suggested that name, Bethenny has filed to trademark it so Luann can't use it! LOL

[archer1267]

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I still cannot wrap my mind around what Ramona said about Lu. Is absolutely nothing sacred? [snip] From what I have always understood, Harry and Lu still have a very friendly relationship. Why is he telling Ramona something like this?

Harry Dubin is a friend of Ramona's too, and he seems to have very loose lips indeed. I know he's been described as a sweetheart of a guy but I remember Aviva's dad coming after Ramona for making fun for Aviva's disability. Ramona was genuinely shocked and said "I never said that!" but George insisted, saying that Harry told him that. And WTF? Harry wasn't even in St. Barth's. Why was he inserting himself in the mess?

It hit me the other night that Bethenny's the only one who's actively working, right? I always liked that the NY women seemed to be more career women than in other franchises. Not that work is the be-all and end-all, but there seems to be a certain lack of purpose among the women this season. Dorinda used to have a cashmere business and now she has meals out with John and leaves in a huff. Ramona used to have several businesses and now is on the prowl and stirring the pot. Carol is working on...something, but doesn't seem overly motivated to write. It's not clear what Jules does and Sonja seems marginally involved in her next business attempt (is she the "face" of TipsyGirl? I don't get her role in this venture). LuAnn seems even more adrift without her kids and without a place to call her own. I don't mean to knock these women for not working, but their kids are largely grown up and out of the house, and they're spending their free time getting into fights with each other? Don't they have something more productive to do? At least Carole used her blog this week to talk about the cat fostering agency.

I watched the episode again last night and Ramona is vicious. I've cut her slack in earlier seasons, but calling Sonja's townhouse a "brothel" now that LuAnn's there was just nasty. I don't know if Ramona is acting out because she's realizing that - as great as she may look for her age - she's not having the swinging divorcee lifestyle she'd envisioned, and she's jealous of LuAnn. The two have always had a frenemies relationship and make digs at each other here and there, but Ramona was slut-shaming LuAnn relentlessly in this episode, between the Sushi Roxx conversation and her TH that Rey and LuAnn "just f*cked." Ugh. How she has any friends is beyond me.

Sonja seems pretty subdued so far this season. I miss the Frick and Frack chemistry she had with Ramona, and based on her blog, she definitely seems hurt by the comments Ramona's made about her. I know that sometimes in these shows, there's a designated dumpee that gets the brunt of everyone's Mean Girl group dynamics, and I hope it's not Sonja this season (I'd prefer that it not be anyone - I hate the group pile-ons). 

Edited May 23, 2016 by archer1267

[eurekagirl mOo]

Maybe Sonja leaves her windows open in the summer because she LIKES the heat? I'm serious. I live in the south and my neighbors are amazed every dam summer that I don't use air conditioning. I can afford it but I LIKE the moist heat and it makes my arthritis in my hands and knees feel much better. 

[zoeysmom]

48 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

Harry Dubin is a friend of Ramona's too, and he seems to have very loose lips indeed. I know he's been described as a sweetheart of a guy but I remember Aviva's dad coming after Ramona for making fun for Aviva's disability. Ramona was genuinely shocked and said "I never said that!" but George insisted, saying that Harry told him that. And WTF? Harry wasn't even in St. Barth's. Why was he inserting himself in the mess?

It hit me the other night that Bethenny's the only one who's actively working, right? I always liked that the NY women seemed to be more career women than in other franchises. Not that work is the be-all and end-all, but there seems to be a certain lack of purpose among the women this season. Dorinda used to have a cashmere business and now she has meals out with John and leaves in a huff. Ramona used to have several businesses and now is on the prowl and stirring the pot. Carol is working on...something, but doesn't seem overly motivated to write. It's not clear what Jules does and Sonja seems marginally involved in her next business attempt (is she the "face" of TipsyGirl? I don't get her role in this venture). LuAnn seems even more adrift without her kids and without a place to call her own. I don't mean to knock these women for not working, but their kids are largely grown up and out of the house, and they're spending their free time getting into fights with each other? Don't they have something more productive to do? At least Carole used her blog this week to talk about the cat fostering agency.

I watched the episode again last night and Ramona is vicious. I've cut her slack in earlier seasons, but calling Sonja's townhouse a "brothel" now that LuAnn's there was just nasty. I don't know if Ramona is acting out because she's realizing that - as great as she may look for her age - she's not having the swinging divorcee lifestyle she'd envisioned, and she's jealous of LuAnn. The two have always had a frenemies relationship and make digs at each other here and there, but Ramona was slut-shaming LuAnn relentlessly in this episode, between the Sushi Roxx conversation and her TH that Rey and LuAnn "just f*cked." Ugh. How she has any friends is beyond me.

Sonja seems pretty subdued so far this season. I miss the Frick and Frack chemistry she had with Ramona, and based on her blog, she definitely seems hurt by the comments Ramona's made about her. I know that sometimes in these shows, there's a designated dumpee that gets the brunt of everyone's Mean Girl group dynamics, and I hope it's not Sonja this season (I'd prefer that it not be anyone - I hate the group pile-ons). 

LuAnn works (she has several products) and she has a very nice home in Sag Harbor.  I believe the only reason she keeps a pied terre, as she calls it, is for filming.  If she didn't sign a contract until late November there was probably no reason for her to take on the expense. Something tells me she will pay dearly for rooming with Sonja.  It seems she has made a second home in her fiancé's penthouse in the city.  I don't see Luann as wanting to be in the fray this year, I see her more as a target, and she hasn't really done anything warrant it.    She seems more interested in looking for love.  Carole and Luann can take their Adam stuff only so far and then it becomes ridiculous. 

[Neurochick]

20 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Exactly. Sonja is impossible to talk to. We've seen Bethenny try multiple times, and she starts out calm and collected. But it's like talking to a brick wall. If you say anything outside of Sonja's delusional narrative about her life, it won't get through. She'll deflect, change the subject, act like she's having a totally different conversation.

To me, if someone acts like that, there is only one thing to do, walk away and don't waste your time.  It's like talking to someone who's blind drunk, why bother?  Pat them on the head and send them on their way.  I don't get why Bethenny feels that she just HAS to get her point across to Sonja.  Sonja's not going to hear it and all it does is raise your blood pressure. 

[ryebread]

I just watched the end of this episode and John's party.  This crowd is suh-leezy.

Luann dating Rey more than once told me a lot about her.  Patently obvious is that he is a sloppy, sad, confused drunk.  Though we've seen her penchant for that type of character before, what's not been so obvious is her own sleazy character. To me, anyway.  I'm side-eyeing her fiancé, now.  I hope he knows exactly what he put a ring on.

The scene in SushiRoxx with Luann, Sonja and Ramona was...embarrassing.  I'm not age shaming, but what age is too old to be screaming, cackling and loudly discussing your sex life and vagina in the middle of a restaurant?

[ryebread]

58 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

To me, if someone acts like that, there is only one thing to do, walk away and don't waste your time.  It's like talking to someone who's blind drunk, why bother?  Pat them on the head and send them on their way.  I don't get why Bethenny feels that she just HAS to get her point across to Sonja.  Sonja's not going to hear it and all it does is raise your blood pressure. 

Which is exactly what John should have done to Rey and Ramona.  Once he called his bouncer to remove Rey, John should have walked away and not wasted his time.  But noooooo.  He had to go back and get all handsy with Ramona, too.  Not that the loon didn't deserve to be escorted out, too, but when you're paying someone to remove unruly idiots - let them do their job for cryinoutloud.

[jaync]

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You can still find the soft core porn video or screen shots on line.  Her boobs WERE huge, real, and horribly saggy at a young age. 

Of course I had to look, and man, you weren't kidding. IHOP must've called and asked for their flapjacks back.

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And I have a hard time accepting that her prominent jaw (the back by her ears) had to do with teeth grinding or muscle mass.

Maybe it's a combo of grinding and the fact that she talks a mile a minute, giving her jaws a constant workout. Plus, I remember noticing last season that when she eats, she takes a bite and chews the shit out of it, like a cracked out squirrel.

[TheFinalRose]

Ramona looked very plastic-surgeried in a couple of the shots in the fight with John. I bet she regrets that more than the actual fight itself.  As for Dorinda, geez, I do not think her poor dead husband Richard would approve of her screaming and yelling and f-wording it up all over the place. Be cool, Dorinda, like Luann is. Make a classy, dignified exit like the Countess did when you are perturbed.  

I thought I remember reading that Carole got paid for a two book deal. Now that she's officially blown off the second book I wonder if she owes the publisher any money? And didn't we all predict that Adam's goal was to get a cookbook deal out of this show? Carole is getting used by this guy ... too bad she sunk her own opportunities for his future. And I don't think he is photogenic enough to break out in tv-land, so yeah, Carole. Kind of dumb. I guess she thinks there is more potential to make money on the cookbook than a book of lame essays that she can't make happen. 

Poor Sonja. Yeah, she's a nut, but it can't be fun getting a new one ripped by Bethenney.  I'm glad Luann moved in with her, otherwise would we ever have been able to see the fifth floor of the townhouse with its red wall to wall carpeting?

Did we have go a whole episode without discussing Jules' eating disorder or her Jewish/Asian heritage? If so, hurrah!

[KungFuBunny]

Bethenny sharts and Luann squirts...only on NY.

Ramona/Sonja/Luanne go to Sushi Roxx prior to John's party. Ramona leaves first. Luanne and Sonja discuss Bethenny's reaction to Tipsy Girl and then they leave to go to John's. Yet when they pan to the party, they show Ramona coming in the door and Sonja and Luanne are already in there. Producer driven?

John is on this show more than Carole and he's not even a Housewife. Note to John, the only apple you are getting is one stuck in your mouth while you are laid out on a silver platter placed on the center of the table runner.

What exactly was John's party about? Was is to promote his dry cleaning business or Malan from Project Runway?

Bethenny/Sonja - I didn't not feel bad for Sonja and her non-tears. I think Bethenny is also mad not just about Tipsy Girl, but that this was launched on the show, where at that time it was implied that Bethenny and Sonja were friends and had a good relationship, which can imply to the general public who don't know much about the show but know Skinny Girl and think this Tipsy Girl alcoholic drink is maybe an off shoot of Skinny Girl. I think Peter would have been THRILLED if Bethenny did show up at Sonja's birthday party - even if it was to cause a scene...this would have been more publicity for this drink. What happenned to the group of people last year with the Sonja Morgan Lifestyle Brand? Do they have a hand in this? Does the drink have Sonja's Logo on it?

I think Jules nanny quit because the kids started calling her mommy in 2 languages.

Sonja's townhouse. The elevator goes to the fifth floor. Um...I think the elevator shaft goes from the basement to the 5th floor but it is not a functioning elevator. Years ago, Chris March was on the show to make an outfit for Sonja's costume party. Poor man walked up those stairs I thought he was gonna have a heart attack. At that time she said she was using the elevator as storage for all of her cleaning products so he couldn't use the elevator. If the elevator was working then Luanne, the camera crew, and the intern lugging Luanne's bag would have used it and not the REDRUM staircase. Did Luanne really stay there? If yes, she must be in great shape to make it up those flights of stairs after a night of hard partying for some evening nookie.

[Umbelina]

9 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I think it comes down to no one is reminding Ramona to behave now that Mario is out of the picture. Add in that she isn't really sharing anything about her own personal life, we haven't seen her date/work/nothing beyond gossip (of course, that can be said about most of the NY HWs at this point), so she has to bring something and nasty gossip seems to be it.

Mario was hardly a bastion of civil behavior.  He's so slimy and inappropriate.  I don't know what Ramona's deal is this year.  Still reeling from being dumped for a younger (and sleazy) woman.  She really needs the job and money, so is working on getting a raise by stirring the shit?  She's always been blunt, and occasionally been mean, but we've never seen her this bad before.  I think her life was turned upside down in an embarrassing way and she's emotionally all over the place, but damn!  Also, those boobs were a mistake.  Her body was completely adorable for a woman 2/3rds her age.  Now her clothes aren't fitting well, and it's just wrong.

5 hours ago, bosawks said:

I'm just waiting for Lu's new line of pineapple juice "Squirty Girl".

It has class written all over it.

I hope she does it, but with the fiance now on the scene, I doubt it.

4 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Maybe Sonja leaves her windows open in the summer because she LIKES the heat? I'm serious. I live in the south and my neighbors are amazed every dam summer that I don't use air conditioning. I can afford it but I LIKE the moist heat and it makes my arthritis in my hands and knees feel much better. 

That might be possible.  Then again, she doesn't repair the pipes so she can have hot water, she won't turn on the heat when it's freezing, the elevator didn't work for years, remember her storing cleaning supplies in it?  She has the whole "intern" con going so she can still live as if she has servants at her beck and call as she did as Lady Morgan.  She repairs her handbags and shoes with sharpies.  So yeah, I think it was because she can't afford it.

2 hours ago, ryebread said:

I just watched the end of this episode and John's party.  This crowd is suh-leezy.

Luann dating Rey more than once told me a lot about her.  Patently obvious is that he is a sloppy, sad, confused drunk.  Though we've seen her penchant for that type of character before, what's not been so obvious is her own sleazy character. To me, anyway.  I'm side-eyeing her fiancé, now.  I hope he knows exactly what he put a ring on.

The scene in SushiRoxx with Luann, Sonja and Ramona was...embarrassing.  I'm not age shaming, but what age is too old to be screaming, cackling and loudly discussing your sex life and vagina in the middle of a restaurant?

Luann likes sex, needs sex, adores sex, possibly because from the articles I've recently read (ahem) squirting women have outofthisworldmindblowing orgasms.  So, she wants sex as frequently as possible because, wouldn't you?  Maybe her fiance enjoys that too?  Frankly, Luann has a lot to offer, she can be the "lady in the drawing room" and the "whore in the bedroom" and she's also fun, fairly witty, she's traveled, she can get down or look down her nose. 

I think her first marriage was hard on her, because I feel like she did marry for love, completely besotted, not just with the guy but with her final step out of Podunk, Nowhere.  She made the first steps, going to Europe, getting her TV show in Italy, but this was the cherry on top.  Then she found out it was a normal European marriage, affairs on the side.  She coped.  She was the mother of his children and those rules said he wouldn't leave her.  So she had her affairs as well, and became "wife" only when he was home.  Then the bastard broke the rules and dumped her to marry an African Princess while she was filming a reality show!  Quell embarrassment!  She eventually finds a younger man, and again, I feel like she really loved Jacques, their casual photos were lovely.  The whole "he wants children" thing reared it's head, and she knew it wasn't going to last, so she fucked the Johnny Depp guy.  Have I mentioned Lulu has a little issue with drinking?

OK, almost there, I promise.  Jacques leaves.  The last kid hits 18.  The Count child support money is gone.  She decides she wants as much money as other housewives are getting and joins with a few in a NYC socialite strike.  It didn't work the first time, but the bills must be paid, so she tries it again.  Sonja and Ramona join in this.  Ramona, without telling the other two, settles her contract, leaving her strike mates high and dry.  At the last minute Sonja and Lulu, both of whom need money more than any of the others (which Bravo knows) must settle for the must less lucrative, certainly less guaranteed, "pay for play."  They only get paid if they are in scenes the show airs. 

So frantic now, both Sonja and Lulu try sucking up to cast members who always bring things Bravo wants to air, Ramona, Carole, and Bethenny.  Carole wants no part of Lulu because of things Lulu did and said last season and off season about her new love.  Bethenny can smell desperation from miles away, and it's not her favorite scent.  Ramona?  Smells blood, revenge, a chance to finally get back at Lulu for all of the condescending things she's said to Ramona over the years, and yes, to make herself valuable to Bravo.  Sonja's caught in the crosshairs for several reasons, the sleazy Tipsy Girl plan she thought she could poor waif her way out of, but for Ramona the final straw seemed to be inviting the hated Lulu to bunk with her.

Luckily, at the last minute, our wayward countess found a prince to rescue her and put a ring on it.  Actually, I'm kind of thrilled for her.

 

AND, here we are folks!

22 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

John is on this show more than Carole and he's not even a Housewife. Note to John, the only apple you are getting is one stuck in your mouth while you are laid out on a silver platter placed on the center of the table runner.

What exactly was John's party about? Was is to promote his dry cleaning business or Malan from Project Runway?

 

Can I get an AMEN?

Edited May 23, 2016 by Umbelina

[archer1267]

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As for Dorinda, geez, I do not think her poor dead husband Richard would approve of her screaming and yelling and f-wording it up all over the place.

Yep! It hit me that whatever "scene" Rey was making, Dorinda and John's behavior just called more attention to it than was necessary. They were the HOSTS (or at least, the host and his lady-friend). Then again, Ramona was screeching at Dorinda about John and I can't blame her for flipping out.

It's funny that for all the qualms some have about John, they haven't considered that maybe Dorinda's on the same level as him - chic Manhattan address aside. (And Ramona can clutch her pearls over his alleged Viagra comment, but thinks nothing about the squirter comment? At least John made those alleged comments OFF CAMERA. Jeez.)

[ghoulina]

4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

To me, if someone acts like that, there is only one thing to do, walk away and don't waste your time.  It's like talking to someone who's blind drunk, why bother?  Pat them on the head and send them on their way.  I don't get why Bethenny feels that she just HAS to get her point across to Sonja.  Sonja's not going to hear it and all it does is raise your blood pressure. 

This is probably the rational way to handle it, and I imagine that's what Bethenny would do - if she weren't filming a reality show with Sonja. 

[sasha206]

6 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Maybe Sonja leaves her windows open in the summer because she LIKES the heat? I'm serious. I live in the south and my neighbors are amazed every dam summer that I don't use air conditioning. I can afford it but I LIKE the moist heat and it makes my arthritis in my hands and knees feel much better. 

Except for she didn't have heat on when LuAnn was there.

[Bronzedog]

I picture the elevator in Sonja's townhouse to be similar to the one in the Big Bang Theory.  There was an explosion in the elevator years ago, and, it's never been repaired.

[ryebread]

7 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Maybe Sonja leaves her windows open in the summer because she LIKES the heat? I'm serious. I live in the south and my neighbors are amazed every dam summer that I don't use air conditioning. I can afford it but I LIKE the moist heat and it makes my arthritis in my hands and knees feel much better. 

Anything is possible.  But NYC in the summer is pretty awful.  That's why every one takes off for the Hamptons or the Jersey Shore.  The tall buildings and all the concrete hold the heat and humidity like a furnace.  Not to mention all the construction going on in her area.  The dirt, in combination with the bus fumes and automobile smog would be reason enough to keep the windows closed.

Where's Scooby, anyway? 

[sasha206]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

 

Where's Scooby, anyway? 

I was wondering the same thing!

[ElDosEquis]

On ‎5‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 1:22 PM, zoeysmom said:

Adam and Carole, I am getting the impression, Adam is not all that gung-ho about writing a cookbook.   Writing a cookbook is a lot of work and writing one incorporating locavore and vegan is really a lot of work and constantly changing.  Since it seems it takes Carole five years to write a book, Adam may just not be committed to such a long haul.  It would also tie them together for some time.  Not that it matters but the concept for the book that 50 year old 'girl' meets 20 something lover/chef and is converted to eating clean as long as he is there to fix food for her, doesn't seem like it has a lot of universal appeal.  Carole should not mix business and pleasure.

Eat, Prey, Love?

Left-over?

Brown Bagging It?

[ElDosEquis]

In an off hand conversation with the wife about Luann and her propensity to lubricate, the wife said, "At least she is doing it right, I am jealous."

There is nothing wrong with a woman who 'squirts' -  it's a natural reaction and the only drawback is everyone sleeps in the wet spot?  It's too bad that people look at it as some kind of scarlet letter - of course, it must be a real problem when you can't and you need a case of motor oil like Ramoaner?

[SheTalksShit]

Bethenny was a crazy bitch to Sonja about the TipsyGirl thing. I don't think Sonja was trying to copy her at all. "Girl" is a pretty popular name for girl drinks. I feel like there's something wrong w/her, she doesn't know how to interact w/women. IDK why all the RHONY ladies have their head so far up her ass and crave her approval so bad. She does not seem like a charming or appealing person to be around. 

That being said...although I like Sonja, I do think she's delusional. She hasn't been able to launch one successful business yet, other than the online fashion store, I guess. I guess that counts. IDK. I hope she's able to get TipsyGirl up and running. I'd drink it. 

[archer1267]

I think squirting is often associated with porn (i.e., something you don't think exists outside of porn), and it's a bit of a novelty. I don't think it's shameful and LuAnn can continue to fly her libertine flag for all I care. But it's gross for Harry Dubin to be spilling the details of his escapades with mutual friends/acquaintances to Ramona. If anyone should be wearing a scarlet letter, he should wear a B for blabbermouth.

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Adam and Carole, I am getting the impression, Adam is not all that gung-ho about writing a cookbook

I'm thinking that Adam applies the same laid-back, mellow approach to everything in his life. I think he and Carole have a similar temperament in that way.

[ElDosEquis]

14 hours ago, bosawks said:

I'm just waiting for Lu's new line of pineapple juice "Squirty Girl".

It has class written all over it.

Booty Juice.

[ElDosEquis]

The ONLY reason that Methenny called out Sonja out in front of her employees was twofold.

One, to show that she is a 'tough chick' and TCOB.

Two, to have someone there to help her in case Sonja decided to punch the living fuck out of her.

Methenny is a chicken shit mouth that would fall down crying if you hit her and would be dialing 911 before she hit the floor. Mom said to us, "There is always gonna be someone who can kick your ass, so don't go around thinking you are tough."