S06.E23: Reunion Part 3

[zoeysmom]

50 minutes ago, Jel said:

I 100% agree that mocking someone's experience of domestic violence is awful, no argument here about that. But I am wondering if I missed something somewhere because I can't find an example of mocking anywhere. In what way specifically (what words did she use) to mock her for bringing it up? 

In fairness to LVP, she was using Eileen's sharing about decades old DV as a contrast to Eileen being upset over the affair comment.  I believe LVP pointed out that Eileen had no issues sharing that part of her life but was terribly offended by sharing a more recent and current life event such as her marriage.  It was not necessary for LVP to contrast and I don't think that LVP got the reason for the conversation.  Eileen though, said she wanted to share to show herself as a person and did so through the DV claims.  Eileen wanted to write her own script and LVP's questions derailed her.

7 hours ago, ingenting said:

Did Yolanda give marriage advice during the season? Was she in a position to talk about a marriage whose fate wasn't decided back in aug/sep? No one should be be expected to provide continuous updates on the disintigration of their marriage. Lisa figuratively rectally probes the other housewives for dirt, but she keeps them at arms length. 

It was about sharing and connecting.  There is significant evidence that Yolanda and David had been living apart since early 2015.  Your right Yolanda doesn't have to give marriage updates.  She should keep her yap shut though about others being genuine and connecting if she is not willing to share or be genuine.  Yolanda is the one that keeps asking for this from the RH, so if she asks (demands) should she not lead by example? 

[ryebread]

8 minutes ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

I don't think LVP is obligated to share her experience with domestic violence and I'm not saying she's faking it (maybe I should start crying for the horror of "engaging" in this chatter at all), but after the Brandi Slap she did make a big deal about how no one has ever laid a hand on her in her entire life except for her little brother in playfights, and that the idea of any sort of physicality was absolutely foreign to her. Does anyone else remember more details?

Maybe her memory is slipping? and she didn't remember the DV when she said no one ever laid a hand on her before Brandi.  Just like she really had to think hard when counting how many times she was abused when Andy said, "He hurt you?"  She paused, said 'Once' and then after thinking about it some more and ticking it off with her finger, she said 'twice'.  

I mean, if it happened 11 times and you really wanted to give an accurate account of how many times, I can see having to rethink it.  But twice? You'd think those TWO horrific times would be firmly in her mind since they happened in a short time before she left.

[Wings]

So many people are stuck in the past and talk about the terrible things their parents did to them, experiences that were painful etc.  I like that LVP did not choose to share her abuse story.  Why should she?  You cannot create a new chapter if you keep reading the last one.  

I believe Yolanda and David, together, decided to keep their marriage difficulties off TV.  David has a reputation to protect and strives to keep himself out of the tabloids.  Makes sense to me. 

LVP is not playing the victim on twitter.  People are asking how she is doing and she is being honest; she was the target of some major nastiness and it is taking her some time to move on from it. 

Edited May 5, 2016 by wings707

[zoeysmom]

11 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Maybe her memory is slipping? and she didn't remember the DV when she said no one ever laid a hand on her before Brandi.  Just like she really had to think hard when counting how many times she was abused when Andy said, "He hurt you?"  She paused, said 'Once' and then after thinking about it some more and ticking it off with her finger, she said 'twice'.  

I mean, if it happened 11 times and you really wanted to give an accurate account of how many times, I can see having to rethink it.  But twice? You'd think those TWO horrific times would be firmly in her mind since they happened in a short time before she left.

Maybe the fact they happened almost 40 years ago  might play into the repressed memory.  LVP also said she was not uncomfortable talking about it in front of Ken, and Ken was there. 

I don't think it makes LVP a liar, nor should it give Brandi a pass.

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, jinjer said:

She mocked Eileen bringing it up. You just don't do that. Eileen shared something deeply personal as a way to connect with the women in the group - also making a statement that any woman, even someone who appears so strong, even someone who is a successful actress, can be a victim of domestic violence. And LVP went in her blog and questioned Eileen's motives for bringing it up. That's shitty IMO. That's quelling. That inhibits women from sharing their stories of DV.  That's cold.  She questions why would Eileen share it and then goes on to share her own? What's the point then LVP? 

Well wasn't the context of Lisa V's point connected to Eileen NOT wanting to share? In LisaV's blog she points out the TIMING of Eileen opening up. It was completely random and they had just finished discussing how upset Eileen was with regards to having something so personal of hers being openly spoken about. So I think that's the point LisaV was making. "So just 2 seconds ago we are talking about how bringing up something as sensitive as the awkward beginnings of your marriage was uncomfortably upsetting to you yet here we are discussing something (in what I imagine is LVP's opinion) way more negative and disturbing and you're championing through the details of that particular ordeal like a trooper. But my use of the word affair has put your emotional state in shambles?. Yeah ok". I think she was pointing out the jarring contrast of Eileens claims of distress over the affair comment vs. having the emotional resolve TWO SECONDS later to bring up such a serious revelation about her past. Which is it Eileen? Delicate flower or a woman who can tackle uncomfortable conversations about her life?

I don't think LisaV was mocking her decision to share such an experience I think she was side eyeing the way Eileen decided to use that story as a way to shame LisaV for NOT sharing and honestly, to me, using something like that to shame someone else for "not sharing" just goes to show that Eileen's manipulative juices are strong. She isn't subtle though and that's what I think LisaV was pointing out.

[ryebread]

Just now, zoeysmom said:

Maybe the fact they happened almost 40 years ago  might play into the repressed memory.  LVP also said she was not uncomfortable talking about it in front of Ken, and Ken was there. 

I don't think it makes LVP a liar, nor should it give Brandi a pass.

I absolutely wouldn't have talked about it at all - in front of my husband nor to these hags.  Ever.  And she never did in the past.  Until Part III of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion.  I'm not saying she's a liar.  Nor am I saying Brandi gets a pass.  Surely you don't think I thought it was alright for Brandi to slap Lisa?

[ElDosEquis]

3 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I absolutely wouldn't have talked about it at all - in front of my husband nor to these hags.  Ever.  And she never did in the past.  Until Part III of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion.  I'm not saying she's a liar.  Nor am I saying Brandi gets a pass.  Surely you don't think I thought it was alright for Brandi to slap Lisa?

KInda like Fight Club?

[ElDosEquis]

14 hours ago, ingenting said:

I forgot about this:

That looks like a very painful way of drying tears. 

I have a pal that takes a fingernail and scratches her eyeball because it itches. It would creep the shit out of me when she did it.

[zoeysmom]

14 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Truth be told, I missed the first 6 pages.  I don't see her being dragged, per se, as much as questioned.  And just by a few.  Dragged would be, "That fucking bitch is a lying c*nt."  "She's full of shit on her Twitter.  Making that shit up for sympathy."  "Next, she'll be fronting a DV fundraiser when the lying bitch was never even abused."   When I see 100 pages of that, I'll believe she's been dragged.

So nope. Didn't drag.  Don't even know if she's lying or telling the truth. Just commenting on how overdramatic she acted. 

LVP has already had a fundraiser for DV.  Season 1 luncheon at Villa Blanca to raise money for a young women who was burned by her domestic partner.

Just a note Camille Grammer is now sharing her DV at the hands of Kelsey Grammer and being under treatment for PTSD.  Story is over on the media thread.

[ButterQueen]

17 hours ago, zulualpha said:

Team Ken 100%.  LisaV is becoming the punching bag, the convenient go to for those that need a story line or someone to take the blame for their bad behavior-Brandi, LisaR, Eileen, Erika.  The list goes on and on.  Seems like everyone "had a go" at LisaV this season including Erika's crusty little thumb of a husband.  He called Lisa an alligator that lies in wait for her victims, right to her face at dinner!  I wish Ken had punched him at that moment.  (Seriously, Erika reads Kathryn for acting like an ass at dinner when her own husband is an insulting fuck the first time he meets Lisa.)  Lisa admitted that comment hurt her feelings but she felt like she had to put a good face on it so she laughed it off.  Fuck him.  Tom that is. 

That's what happens when you're the alpha - people want to take you down or at least interact with you because viewers will engage.  Ken has had a front row seat for this fuckery and seen Lisa get very upset and cry about it.  He's over it.  So am I.   At Reunion 3 Lisa Rinna tried to pin the Munhausen's comment on LisaV, then on LisaV and Kyle and finally Kyle pinned her down and forced her to admit she was the one that brought it up.  Lisa Rinna is shady and very loose with her words.  She spins them out there so fast that she thinks nobody will notice when she slips in some phrases that change the whole meaning of what's being said.  She blatantly misquoted LisaV and Harry Hamlin, otherwise known as her husband. 

I love every.single.word of this !!!

[janie2002]

I thought Lisa's pause was because she ws trying to stop her self from crying.  So it made sense to me. 

I think EIleen came in readyt o share that abuse story from the get go, because it was so random.

I do wish Lisa would have turned to Yolanda and said I din't share same reason you kept your marriage troubles to yourself, I wasn't ready, or STFU you loony bitch.

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

I agree with this.  But I also believe that it's become that way because society has become ultra nasty and cold.

History includes slaves, rape, war, violence, genocide, etc. I can't agree that society has become ultra nasty and cold. I believe that it's always been that way. The difference is that we are fortunate to live in a society that is growing more progressive and open minded to the world around them, no matter how different they may be from ourselves. The issue is that progressives attack conservative thinking to the point where political correctness is expected, otherwise you are publicly shamed. What happens is that we aren't educating people on their ignorance, we only prevent them for speaking their intolerance in public - this does nothing to address their actual feelings of intolerance toward others. Essentially what we're saying is 'I care less about how you feel about races, sexual orientation, human rights and I care more about you not voicing your opposing opinions out loud'. This breeds the keyboard warrior mentality that is so ripe in this day and age. People wouldn't say a fraction of things to someone's face that they would say via social media and that's because no matter how many people oppose, shame or object to them, they are still protected with a certain degree of anonymity.

I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen people make a big deal about a small thing only to have the LGBT or ethnic communities speak out and say that it's not a big deal. If you're open minded, you shouldn't be protesting someone else's right to free speech. If they take their opportunities to share hatred, then you take the opportunity to share love. This is getting off topic - but going back to the original point, to take LVP's comments and turn it into mocking or degradation of someone else's experience is extremely far fetched to me. LVP displayed an ignorance that should be corrected, not taken offense to because truly, how she explained herself is pretty consistent with who she is as a person. Don't assume the worst and think that she knows better but is being cruel for the hell of it. She is not someone who sees the value of being vulnerable to others in an uncontrolled environment because of her own insecurities. To teach her is not to tell her that sharing those experiences are what form friendships and connections. To teach her is to tell her that you share experiences, perhaps to be vulnerable, but more importantly so that you can be an example for anyone who has or currently is experiencing those challenges.

[lunastartron]

I don't see the problem in the abstract of considering the degree of veracity in any cast member's assertions and/or deconstructing those assertions for contradictions and inconsistencies. Yolanda's many scientifically unsound, disturbing, and reversal-heavy contentions presently occupy a not insignificant amount of space (if not the majority of) in her thread. Were viewers not treated to videographic footage (that has oddly never been substantively addressed on the show) that captured *Yolanda striking Ken*, one could easily argue that women never lie about violence from men and ergo any doubt about her account is symptomatic of why misogyny remains rampant in society. (And the same logic applies to Taylor; while I do believe that she and Russell probably had an unhealthy and mutually destructive relationship that included physical altercations - and also that dv victims don't have to be saints - I do not find her stories about nearly being drowned in the pool, enduring an orbital floor blowout moments before partying in Las Vegas, etc credible just because a woman is crying assault.) . . . That being said, I personally don't see how Lisa either a) ridiculed Eileen (seriously, I agree with RHJunkie that this premise is somehow probably a byproduct of the "safe space" trend and determination to be offended gaining prevalence in America) or b) was overly dramatic/performative, especially compared to Eileen's revelation at dinner in the Hamptons. I also don't find difficulty determining the number of incidents of physical harm indicative of, well, anything because people have varying definitions about what constitutes "hurt" (some would shrug off an arm grab; commenters on here have quibbled over whether or not Carole Radziwill seizing Aviva's chin constituted assault, whether Ryan and Tamra perpetrated sexual battery on Gretchen, or whether Brandi flinging wine qualifies for the definition of assault). What I *do* find problematic and haven't seen mentioned upthread (apologies if I've missed it) is the fact that Eileen presented her disclosure of her "extremely physical abusive" romantic history in her blog as some sort of serendipitous/cosmic act of a higher power because editing decided to introduced Kathryn in the same episode . . . even though Kathryn herself was never in an abusive relationship but rather just had a two-degree separation from a domestic violence murder victim. THAT deserves to be called out on the program. All my subjective opinion, of course. 

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

I didn't realize that she had such regular involvement with other charities. Makes Eileen and Yolanda's comments pretty ignorant. Not to mention - why wouldn't you use a television platform to bring awareness to cause that is lesser known? Does anyone need to watch this show to learn about the challenges of the LGBT community or that poverty at home exists? No. In contrast, how many would know about something like the Yulin festival? I didn't know about it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's very easy to pile on faults when you already have your opinion on something. You naturally look for all of the narrative that supports your opinion. Bias is human nature but it often exposes itself to be hypocritical when you use that bias for an agenda, being so unaware of how your words, actions and intentions can be interpreted in the same way that you shame someone else for.

Lisa does a lot for a number of charities for people and Yolanda knows this as does Eileen.  Heck, even Giggy is an ambassador for the Alopecia Group/charity, especially children with Alopecia. And that info has been shared on the show, it was the AF that caused her/Ken to miss Kimberly's graduation party.

1 hour ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

I don't think LVP is obligated to share her experience with domestic violence and I'm not saying she's faking it (maybe I should start crying for the horror of "engaging" in this chatter at all), but after the Brandi Slap she did make a big deal about how no one has ever laid a hand on her in her entire life except for her little brother in playfights, and that the idea of any sort of physicality was absolutely foreign to her. Does anyone else remember more details?

I don't know how many times Lisa has been slapped by a crazy woman for no reason, so her saying no one has ever done that to her before is not an issue for me.

[ElDosEquis]

21 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

LVP has already had a fundraiser for DV.  Season 1 luncheon at Villa Blanca to raise money for a young women who was burned by her domestic partner.

Just a note Camille Grammer is now sharing her DV at the hands of Kelsey Grammer and being under treatment for PTSD.  Story is over on the media thread.

What I do remember the DV FR is that LVP was all about the attention to the floral arrangements in VB and the way she explained the girl's plight, "she was burned because she didn't want to go on a date".

Edited May 5, 2016 by ElDosEquis
I think, therefore I correct.

[sasha206]

On 5/4/2016 at 11:48 PM, RHJunkie said:

And why should Yolanda be offended when someone says that she looked bad when she shows up to a party sans makeup because she wants to show the world how sick she is? That's why she didn't make the effort, so when someone gives you the reaction you actually wanted - to validate and acknowledge your sickness, why are you giving side eyes on the couch when they mention his comments at the party? 

Amen! He wasn't say she looked awful because she just looks awful.  But he would be right if he said that during that clip from a couple of years ago when she had her long weird hair slicked back.  She looks so much better wih full-on lyme disease than when she was healthy with that awful hair!

[nexxie]

3 hours ago, ryebread said:

Maybe her memory is slipping? and she didn't remember the DV when she said no one ever laid a hand on her before Brandi.  Just like she really had to think hard when counting how many times she was abused when Andy said, "He hurt you?"  She paused, said 'Once' and then after thinking about it some more and ticking it off with her finger, she said 'twice'.  

I mean, if it happened 11 times and you really wanted to give an accurate account of how many times, I can see having to rethink it.  But twice? You'd think those TWO horrific times would be firmly in her mind since they happened in a short time before she left.

LVP seemed to be acting in that moment with her dramatic (and weird) finger counting - a poor me deflection tactic perhaps.

Edited May 5, 2016 by nexxie

[ryebread]

10 minutes ago, jinjer said:

I remember the FR that Taylor went to and Russell looked so uncomfortable.  Was this the same one or another?  How ironic that there was so much DV highlighted early in the show, and now we have 4 BH HWs who have been victims of it: LVP, Eileen, Camille and Taylor.

Different FR.  Taylor's was the cowboy poker tournament.  And when she dropped the bomb on the podium that she was abused, the dark look on Russell's face scared me.  Lisa's FR was at Villa Caca with the models.  I think it was the same one where Kyle got the text from Camille that Mauricio's services would no longer be needed by her and Kelsey.

What was it that Taylor said to LVP when LVP was second guessing Taylor's domestic abuse?  If you can't be my friend, at least don't be my enemy or something?

[jinjer]

Yes that's what Taylor said. 

[ryebread]

17 minutes ago, jinjer said:

How ironic that there was so much DV highlighted early in the show, and now we have 4 BH HWs who have been victims of it: LVP, Eileen, Camille and Taylor.

I understand LVP not wanting to discuss her DV on TV but with so many of them being victims it would have made a much better storyline and possible public service announcement than the Munchausen, had they all chose to make it one.

[Jel]

51 minutes ago, jinjer said:

Thing is that's your opinion - mine is that Lisa was using Eileen's story and timing as a way to discredit Eileen and her sharing of her DV story.  Doesn't exactly encourage other women to share their stories. I get that LVP's attitude is, "Let's just sweep them under the rug and move on."  So you may not see it as mocking, and that is fine. Agree to disagree.

I remember the FR that Taylor went to and Russell looked so uncomfortable.  Was this the same one or another?  How ironic that there was so much DV highlighted early in the show, and now we have 4 BH HWs who have been victims of it: LVP, Eileen, Camille and Taylor.

 I would not say that it's my opinion -- but rather that it does not meet an English dictionary definition of "mocking". Words have meaning, and I think it's important to choose them carefully to avoid misunderstandings.  I do, however, respect the fact that you may have a different opinion on Lisa's motives for timing it the way she did, and your right to question them.  And on that, I accept your offer to agree to disagree.

[lunastartron]

^^^ Lisa never "second guessed" Taylor's domestic abuse assertions. "If you can't be my friend, then please don't be my enemy" was about Lisa's general demeanor toward and sardonic jokes about Taylor - this is the nominal conflict regarding which Taylor later said she was unfamiliar with British humor because she was from Oklahoma. Camille was the only main cast member who even approached suggesting that Taylor was lying - all Lisa did after Camille erupted was confirm that Taylor had told everyone that Russell had "thrown her into the bath" in addition to "breaking her jaw." After the tea party, Lisa was Taylor's sole defender in certain incidents like the ejection of the Armstrongs from the white party. She also publicly chided Brandi at the season 2 reunion for starting to intimate that Taylor was lying . . . It doesn't qualify as ironic but I do find it notable that, to certain viewers, Lisa counting off "one" and then correcting herself qualifies as an indication of dishonesty but Yolanda peddling about five different timelines of contraction (from ticks - I mean, "horse fly's" - I mean ticks - no, wait "horse fly's") for herself and Bella is a nothing-to-see-here non-question. 

[RHJunkie]

54 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Different FR.  Taylor's was the cowboy poker tournament.  And when she dropped the bomb on the podium that she was abused, the dark look on Russell's face scared me.  Lisa's FR was at Villa Caca with the models.  I think it was the same one where Kyle got the text from Camille that Mauricio's services would no longer be needed by her and Kelsey.

What was it that Taylor said to LVP when LVP was second guessing Taylor's domestic abuse?  If you can't be my friend, at least don't be my enemy or something?

I don't think LVP was second guessing Taylor's domestic abuse. At least that's not how I remember it. It all started when LVP told Taylor something to the effect of 'I know we're not close/friends but if you ever need me or my support, I want you to know you can call me'. Taylor took offense to this because she felt like LVP was throwing it in her face that they didn't have a friendship (which they didn't) and felt because of that LVP must have had an ulterior motive in offering her help. But at that point, what we didn't know was that Taylor had confided in the women about the abuse and her eating habits which resulted in her thin frame wasting away. Fast forward to that comment - the women were invited to LVP's. Taylor storms in for the sole purpose to confront LVP because her ex-husband accused LVP of selling a story to the tabloids about he and Taylor getting a divorce and talking about Taylor's scary weight loss (I think he even threatened legal action if I'm not mistaken). I think LVP denied it and Taylor made that comment which I think was meant to remind LVP of her own words - 'if you can't be my friend then please don't be my enemy'. She tried to get the other women involved but none of them said anything so she left. When she left, I think LVP was the first one to say that she's being abused to which Kyle said 'we can't say that, we haven't seen it'. So I don't think LVP questioned her abuse. Angry Taylor returned and at that point, it was Camille that went full on outing the problem talking about Taylor telling them about bruised jaws, etc.

I definitely remember Adrienne's ex did question the severity of Taylor's domestic abuse claims.

[jinjer]

That whole Taylor/LVP/Camille thing at LVP's house IMO was a scheduled take down on LVP. And when it wasn't happening the way it was supposed to, Taylor went outside to have Paul look at her face through the gate, Camille did her famous stomp out, and Taylor threw out the "Don't be my enemy." LVP caught on early that she was their target their day and flipped the script, supported Taylor and took the wind out of their sails. 

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 I would not say that it's my opinion -- but rather that it does not meet an English dictionary definition of "mocking". Words have meaning, and I think it's important to choose them carefully to avoid misunderstandings. 

Frankly I chose a word I that expressed my view of Lisa's intent, and I chose it carefully.  Words do have meaning - I agree - and words have synonyms and are used colloquially.  The endless parsing of words on this board doesn't convince me to change my mind. I am not going to the dictionary to ensure that the word I chose to describe my "feeling" of her actions is in accordance with Webster's actual definition. Luckily Heather Dubrow isn't here.  I understand your point of view. You have a different interpretation of her intent.  

[zoeysmom]

4 hours ago, sasha206 said:

45 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I understand LVP not wanting to discuss her DV on TV but with so many of them being victims it would have made a much better storyline and possible public service announcement than the Munchausen, had they all chose to make it one.

They have already had the DV as a storyline.  Mauricio and Paul going to Sacramento and running in heels.  Kyle standing against Bernie the chef in his accusations about Paul and suffering the wrath of Bernie as predicted.  LVP touched on Camille's situation this year.  All the women have been there for the other when one claims DV. 

And now start the tomato toss, Faye Resnick books were definitive commentary on DV.   So it has been covered and no one received as much blow back as Taylor.  Taylor had photos pre-op and post op of an orbital blow out that led to her filing for divorce from the abuse suffered at Russell's hands.  She also wrote a book about it.  LVP claimed the first time she met Taylor she shared her spousal abuse, Adrienne said the same and hoped the show would give Taylor the financial independence to leave Russell.   

12 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

I don't think LVP was second guessing Taylor's domestic abuse. At least that's not how I remember it. It all started when LVP told Taylor something to the effect of 'I know we're not close/friends but if you ever need me or my support, I want you to know you can call me'. Taylor took offense to this because she felt like LVP was throwing it in her face that they didn't have a friendship (which they didn't) and felt because of that LVP must have had an ulterior motive in offering her help. But at that point, what we didn't know was that Taylor had confided in the women about the abuse and her eating habits which resulted in her thin frame wasting away. Fast forward to that comment - the women were invited to LVP's. Taylor storms in for the sole purpose to confront LVP because her ex-husband accused LVP of selling a story to the tabloids about he and Taylor getting a divorce and talking about Taylor's scary weight loss (I think he even threatened legal action if I'm not mistaken). I think LVP denied it and Taylor made that comment which I think was meant to remind LVP of her own words - 'if you can't be my friend then please don't be my enemy'. She tried to get the other women involved but none of them said anything so she left. When she left, I think LVP was the first one to say that she's being abused to which Kyle said 'we can't say that, we haven't seen it'. So I don't think LVP questioned her abuse. Angry Taylor returned and at that point, it was Camille that went full on outing the problem talking about Taylor telling them about bruised jaws, etc.

I definitely remember Adrienne's ex did question the severity of Taylor's domestic abuse claims.

Paul supported Taylor and her claims 100% he even ran in heels for her.  He never questioned her.  The others questioned Bernie the chef about his allegations Paul was abusive to Adrienne.

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

I understand LVP not wanting to discuss her DV on TV but with so many of them being victims it would have made a much better storyline and possible public service announcement than the Munchausen, had they all chose to make it one.

Have you felt the need to inject the DNA from baby monkey balls into your body? Drink lemon cleanses? Sit in a giant portable toaster, freeze you body or endure daily colonics? Do you have 2, 3, 4 foot parasites coming out of your ass? Have you lost brain function, gained Lyme and caused people to whisper behind your back about your claimed symptoms?

Well, Now your fake illnesses can get you real money.

Call Saul Goodman - he'll get you a real diagnosis in dollars and 'sense' - people won't be so quick to mock your 'journey' after Saul operates on them!

Don't let them make you sick worrying about proving your do have...............something!

 Call Saul!!!!   505 503 4455

[Umbelina]

Admittedly, I don't watch this show with the same microscope or ultra attention that some have, frankly, this season I found myself zoning out from boredom much of the time.

With that disclaimer, what I do remember about Eileen's big DV reveal was that it fucking came out of NOWHERE.  To me, at the time, I nearly giggled, not because I don't believe her, or feel for that time of her life, but because it was so very, very soapy and obvious what she was doing.  Earning the paycheck while avoiding anything current in her life.

Ditto the Italian spreading of the ashes, by the way.  Her sister has been long dead, but only now, when they show will pay for her to visit Italy, does she get around to doing that, FOR the cameras.

She was scrambling this year, trying desperately to hold on to this job, and that's fine, it's just that she's such a horrid actress and has such lousy timing that even if you aren't paying eagle-eyed attention, her "scenes" always seem so fake and so staged. 

I think that's the point LVP was making in her blog, though not so explicitly.

[WireWrap]

34 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Paul supported Taylor and her claims 100% he even ran in heels for her.  He never questioned her.  The others questioned Bernie the chef about his allegations Paul was abusive to Adrienne.

There was a scene in Paul's office where he and Adrienne question the validity and/or the timing of Taylor's DV claims, so yes, he/they had questions about what she said.

[jinjer]

LVP does a ton of charity work- she always highlights the LGBT stuff.  I forgot about the DV stuff all together. She gave a speech before the UN on Ebola too. They used to do a charity thing each year it seemed - each woman would do one.  We got Kyle and Habitat for Humanity this year (was it habitat?), Yolanda's Lyme function, Yulan with LVP - LVP also did the dogs dressed up at Pump.  Did Rinna, Eileen, Kathryn or Erika do anything?  The least these Hags could do is each do a charity function.  On NYC that used to be a big deal too. Remember Jill Z's creaky joints and the big fight that engendered? lol. It would give them each a little bit of a storyline too. Oh and I forgot Camille's cancer fundraiser.

ETA - It would be nice for them to follow up on the DV stuff too since it so severely impacted Taylor and the show itself.

14 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Admittedly, I don't watch this show with the same microscope or ultra attention that some have, frankly, this season I found myself zoning out from boredom much of the time.

With that disclaimer, what I do remember about Eileen's big DV reveal was that it fucking came out of NOWHERE.  To me, at the time, I nearly giggled, not because I don't believe her, or feel for that time of her life, but because it was so very, very soapy and obvious what she was doing.  Earning the paycheck while avoiding anything current in her life.

Ditto the Italian spreading of the ashes, by the way.  Her sister has been long dead, but only now, when they show will pay for her to visit Italy, does she get around to doing that, FOR the cameras.

She was scrambling this year, trying desperately to hold on to this job, and that's fine, it's just that she's such a horrid actress and has such lousy timing that even if you aren't paying eagle-eyed attention, her "scenes" always seem so fake and so staged. 

I think that's the point LVP was making in her blog, though not so explicitly.

There was actually some rumors at the time that the whole "affair" thing was initially a storyline life-line thrown to Eileen by LVP, so Eileen would actually have a storyline. Lol.  Now in retrospect and the hard feelings we see, it doesn't seem likely, but at the time that I read it, it seemed like it actually could've been true bc Eileen had nothing else going on.

Edited May 5, 2016 by jinjer

[Jel]

1 hour ago, jinjer said:

That whole Taylor/LVP/Camille thing at LVP's house IMO was a scheduled take down on LVP. And when it wasn't happening the way it was supposed to, Taylor went outside to have Paul look at her face through the gate, Camille did her famous stomp out, and Taylor threw out the "Don't be my enemy." LVP caught on early that she was their target their day and flipped the script, supported Taylor and took the wind out of their sails. 

Frankly I chose a word I that expressed my view of Lisa's intent, and I chose it carefully.  Words do have meaning - I agree - and words have synonyms and are used colloquially.  The endless parsing of words on this board doesn't convince me to change my mind. I am not going to the dictionary to ensure that the word I chose to describe my "feeling" of her actions is in accordance with Webster's actual definition. Luckily Heather Dubrow isn't here.  I understand your point of view. You have a different interpretation of her intent.  

I am really not looking to change your mind (I agreed to disagree),  but how am I  to know what your unique interpretation of the word "mocking" entails? You said Lisa V mocked Eileen's DV experience, I'm just pointing out that she didn't actually do that. She might have done a bunch of things with that remark, but mocking DV wasn't one of them. I don't see how it's a matter of opinion at all.  And the Heather Dubrow shot -- ouch!

[WaltersHair]

It occurs to me that so much ugly behavior happened this season that's infected everyone-wives, husband and fans alike. No one likes a pile-on during reunion time. I've watched the shows long enough to see this, so I don't know why the wives themselves don't.

LisaR might have been able to do more damage to LVP, but she was just so unhinged and Eileen by her side is not a good look either. I'm definitely of the opinion that no one should be forced to reveal something painful in their past.

I don't follow twitter, but haven't there been 3 or 4 'wars' this season? I'm exhausted as I'm sure they are. I hope next season they return to better behavior all around. And no Yolanda or even celluloid Brandi please.

[jinjer]

I think it was BS of them all to say to LVP "You should've told us at dinner about your DV too!" She had no obligation to share it at dinner with them. 

[TattleTeeny]

Seriously, what in the hot holy hell was their collective issue with LVP not spilling the beans about a long-ago abusive relationship?! Oh my god, they acted like she owed them that information--they made it seem like it was a bartering chip or a get-out-of-jail-free card for all of Lisa's (real or imagined) slights against them...and as if Lisa should have been grateful for their benevolent offer to accept sordid details and tears to make up for "bad" behavior. That was just insane, man. 

ETA: Even my BF was like, "She doesn't owe anyone that kind of personal shit!" and he only half-watches if he sees the show at all (he did get sucked into Vanderpump Rules a little though).

 

Edited May 5, 2016 by TattleTeeny

[Satchels of gold]

1 hour ago, WaltersHair said:

It occurs to me that so much ugly behavior happened this season that's infected everyone-wives, husband and fans alike. No one likes a pile-on during reunion time. I've watched the shows long enough to see this, so I don't know why the wives themselves don't.

LisaR might have been able to do more damage to LVP, but she was just so unhinged and Eileen by her side is not a good look either. I'm definitely of the opinion that no one should be forced to reveal something painful in their past.

I don't follow twitter, but haven't there been 3 or 4 'wars' this season? I'm exhausted as I'm sure they are. I hope next season they return to better behavior all around. And no Yolanda or even celluloid Brandi please.

ITA . It appears from reading the fan reactions that even those  who think Lisar was telling the truth,  aren't Lisr fans. I've yet to read one positive thing about her. She really was the seasons BIG loser. It will be interesting to see if her career recovers.

[Wings]

6 minutes ago, Satchels of gold said:

ITA . It appears from reading the fan reactions that even those  who think Lisar was telling the truth,  aren't Lisr fans. I've yet to read one positive thing about her. She really was the seasons BIG loser. It will be interesting to see if her career recovers.

What career?

[Satchels of gold]

19 minutes ago, wings707 said:

What career?

Good point!

[TattleTeeny]

On May 4, 2016 at 0:12 PM, jinjer said:

As for Brandi - I think they were talking about her early in the season, and he made her some sort of promise that she would be able to have her say.  They should've just kept their mouth shut about her.  She was off the show - nothing good was going to come of speaking about her on the show. 

They should have all gotten up to go to the bathroom or refill a drink during the Brandi footage.

[notnowimbusy]

Years ago I was a victim of serious DV.   I was hospitalized twice.   The day I left (escaped), I never looked back, and never spoke of it.   My parents,  husband have no idea, my friends don't know, and ONLY if I felt it would be beneficial to someone in need, would I speak out.   If others, like Eileen want to share, fine, but that doesn't mean LVP needs to relive a horrible event in her life.   Not everyone is an Eileen or LisaR who needs to speak out about their  every emotion or feeling, all the time.   She could have empathy for Taylor without revealing her own experience.   I was offended when Eileen, on her high horse, chastised LVP for not sharing.   Her comment wasn't out of compassion, it was another dig.    The people close to me don't need to relive what I don't want to relive - and I took LVP's take on not sharing as the same.

[TattleTeeny]

Did Lisa Rinna ever take any shit for that overwrought beach speech about Yolanda -- the "she scares the hell out of me" and "run for the hills" one? She seems to think hyperbole bolsters whatever nonsense she's talking, as if the more emotionally fraught she is about it, the more valid people will find her assertions to be.

[ElDosEquis]

4 hours ago, jinjer said:

LVP does a ton of charity work- she always highlights the LGBT stuff.  I forgot about the DV stuff all together. She gave a speech before the UN on Ebola too. They used to do a charity thing each year it seemed - each woman would do one.  We got Kyle and Habitat for Humanity this year (was it habitat?), Yolanda's Lyme function, Yulan with LVP - LVP also did the dogs dressed up at Pump.  Did Rinna, Eileen, Kathryn or Erika do anything?  The least these Hags could do is each do a charity function.  On NYC that used to be a big deal too. Remember Jill Z's creaky joints and the big fight that engendered? lol. It would give them each a little bit of a storyline too. Oh and I forgot Camille's cancer fundraiser.

ETA - It would be nice for them to follow up on the DV stuff too since it so severely impacted Taylor and the show itself.

There was actually some rumors at the time that the whole "affair" thing was initially a storyline life-line thrown to Eileen by LVP, so Eileen would actually have a storyline. Lol.  Now in retrospect and the hard feelings we see, it doesn't seem likely, but at the time that I read it, it seemed like it actually could've been true bc Eileen had nothing else going on.

The 'charity' work  she does differs from the work that people like the "doctors without borders" and the "angel flight" people do.

They DWB and AF people are folks who go and do hands on work with people in need all around the globe. Sometimes a 'Hollywood gala' is nothing more than a charity event that throws money at a cause - without ever finding out how and why the money is spent. Yes, LVP does 'put her name out there' but until I see her and the BH househags go and do something more than argue over a paint can down the street from where they live, I have to call major Bullshit.

The Yulin protest did what? They weren't even in the right area.  HFH was a clusterfuck with them arguing while the painted, the LGBT causes - as advertised on VPR -  is nothing but LVP being feted by sitting her ample rear on a float that travels down Hollywood Blvd. and brings in clientele to PUMP because she is in tune with the cause?

As someone who has made donations, fed the poor in person and hustled to raise money for a cause, I see the difference between throwing a sit down dinner and raffling off donated items and actually interacting with the people who are the focus of my goodwill - there is charity and then there is charity?

If the HWs took a trip into some place and did some charity work there as opposed to spending a few days in a hotel with rooms that cost upwards of 40k a night?

[zoeysmom]

Dos, how close is Watts to Beverly Hills?

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

The 'charity' work  she does differs from the work that people like the "doctors without borders" and the "angel flight" people do.

They DWB and AF people are folks who go and do hands on work with people in need all around the globe. Sometimes a 'Hollywood gala' is nothing more than a charity event that throws money at a cause - without ever finding out how and why the money is spent. Yes, LVP does 'put her name out there' but until I see her and the BH househags go and do something more than argue over a paint can down the street from where they live, I have to call major Bullshit.

The Yulin protest did what? They weren't even in the right area.  HFH was a clusterfuck with them arguing while the painted, the LGBT causes - as advertised on VPR -  is nothing but LVP being feted by sitting her ample rear on a float that travels down Hollywood Blvd. and brings in clientele to PUMP because she is in tune with the cause?

As someone who has made donations, fed the poor in person and hustled to raise money for a cause, I see the difference between throwing a sit down dinner and raffling off donated items and actually interacting with the people who are the focus of my goodwill - there is charity and then there is charity?

If the HWs took a trip into some place and did some charity work there as opposed to spending a few days in a hotel with rooms that cost upwards of 40k a night?

Lisa does feed the homeless once a week and she attends marches/walks for the Alopecia Foundation and she/Ken take Giggy to events they, AF, hold to help raise awareness/money as well as Giggy meeting kids with it because it brings the kids some joy. Soooo, she is hands on. Could she do more, Sure, everyone could but she isn't sitting on her hands or only cutting checks, she does gets to work doing as well.

[zoeysmom]

Yolanda's vanity awareness gala raised $3.5 million dollars.  People wanted to be wined and dined and spent big bucks obviously.  I always just look at how much actually reaches the charity.  Years ago Dina Mano had a show, and she did a charitable event and screwed up some furniture n the name of design and resold it.  She bought the furniture, and then sold it off -it was a pittance.  To me, it was kind of an insult to the charity, the she used all this donated labor to stroke her ego as a designer, and the charity of course was one she started.  Why not write a check?

I would much rather see these women put on an event, like the one for Los Angeles Children's Hospital, an established charity, than one of these made up foundations. (Nene Leakes and Katie from RHOTP come to mind).  It makes no sense to have a foundation, designed to give money to charities unless it is heavily funded and the foundation wants to help many causes.

[notnowimbusy]

I hate the gala charities that cost so much to put on that only a very small percentage of profits actually go to the charity.   There was some big charity that had a Non-Event. . . meaning they just asked people to send in the checks, no event, no dinner, no photographs.  It raised a ton of money.  

[lunastartron]

30 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

The 'charity' work  she does differs from the work that people like the "doctors without borders" and the "angel flight" people do.

They DWB and AF people are folks who go and do hands on work with people in need all around the globe. Sometimes a 'Hollywood gala' is nothing more than a charity event that throws money at a cause - without ever finding out how and why the money is spent. Yes, LVP does 'put her name out there' but until I see her and the BH househags go and do something more than argue over a paint can down the street from where they live, I have to call major Bullshit.

The Yulin protest did what? They weren't even in the right area.  HFH was a clusterfuck with them arguing while the painted, the LGBT causes - as advertised on VPR -  is nothing but LVP being feted by sitting her ample rear on a float that travels down Hollywood Blvd. and brings in clientele to PUMP because she is in tune with the cause?

As someone who has made donations, fed the poor in person and hustled to raise money for a cause, I see the difference between throwing a sit down dinner and raffling off donated items and actually interacting with the people who are the focus of my goodwill - there is charity and then there is charity?

If the HWs took a trip into some place and did some charity work there as opposed to spending a few days in a hotel with rooms that cost upwards of 40k a night?

The problem with drawing a moral dichotomy between "charity" and charity as if fundraising initiatives are inherently more disingenuous than actual hands-on engagement is that philanthropies depend on, well, philanthropy. The money for supplies, personnel, advertising, and/or any other overhead doesn't just spontaneously replenish itself in the coffers of non-profits.

So the galas and parties that accrue large monetary hauls are actually probably the most appropriate manner for the cast members of a national television franchise to apply their services, particularly in the context of a milieu defined by legitimate wealth like the circles in which the BH women traffic.

Also, I'm confused by the premise that the cast actually constructing a Habitat home is somehow questionable because Erika and Eileen initiated an argument during painting but a trip to some devastated third-world outpost would constitute a totally divergent departure. The cast was directly engaged with the handiwork required in erecting that house.

As zoeysmom has noted, Bravo at large has televised some suspect forays into acts of goodwill (see, in addition to the aforementioned Nene and Dina projects, DeShawn Snow's season one Atlanta debacle).

None of Lisa's ventures and partnerships, to my knowledge, could be included under that umbrella. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't a significant amount of the energy she devotes to philanthropy go to HIV and AIDS organizations? I think that's a large part of why she was feted with the star in Palm Springs. So to characterize her championship of the LGBT community as shaking her ass on a float is reductive, imo (I'll also note that float is part of a cultural celebration among a community that, until very recently, was othered and marginalized to the extreme . . . does anyone know when Lisa began participating in pride?).

What the Yulin protest did: alert hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of viewers to the fact that the festival exists. I personally had never heard of it. So, at the very least, its broadened my knowledge.

I believe, as well, that in addition to Kyle's efforts on behalf of the hospital for which she raises money, Kathryn spends the time that she's not traveling with veteran-oriented organizations and, if I'm not mistaken, that Donnie actually has a titled position at one of them.

[Satchels of gold]

LVP is active in 14 different charities including the human rights campaign, the humane society , MS, and Alzheimer's research to name a few. To say she is not charitable is incorrect. 

[kokapetl]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Yolanda's vanity awareness gala raised $3.5 million dollars.  People wanted to be wined and dined and spent big bucks obviously.  I always just look at how much actually reaches the charity.  Years ago Dina Mano had a show, and she did a charitable event and screwed up some furniture n the name of design and resold it.  She bought the furniture, and then sold it off -it was a pittance.  To me, it was kind of an insult to the charity, the she used all this donated labor to stroke her ego as a designer, and the charity of course was one she started.  Why not write a check?

I would much rather see these women put on an event, like the one for Los Angeles Children's Hospital, an established charity, than one of these made up foundations. (Nene Leakes and Katie from RHOTP come to mind).  It makes no sense to have a foundation, designed to give money to charities unless it is heavily funded and the foundation wants to help many causes.

We only see Yolanda's supported charities from the perspective of Yolanda attending galas. They aren't actually all about her, or hers. 

[WireWrap]

12 minutes ago, ingenting said:

We only see Yolanda's supported charities from the perspective of Yolanda attending galas. They aren't actually all about her, or hers. 

We have seen her attend 2 different charity galas. The first was David's charity for Children in need of an organ transplant..... http://davidfosterfoundation.com/ . The second one was the LD charity where she was an honoree. That event was co-chaired by the families of all the honorees, including David Foster. http://www.lymeresearchalliance.org/about-bd-dir.html  I couldn't find any other charities that she is affiliated with publically, she may support some privately but after her comments about LisaV/animal charities, she needs to show her charitable works as well IMO.  

[Umbelina]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Dos, how close is Watts to Beverly Hills?

About 21 miles because of the roads, but probably closer to 15 miles as the crow flies.

Why?

Of course travel in LA is measured in minutes, so according to Google Earth, 35 minutes with no traffic, but then again, there is almost never "no traffic" through that area.

[breezy424]

I really appreciate so many of the posts about 'charity' and fundraising about various  causes.

Yes, LVP has made many contributions to various causes.  I applaud her for this.

On the other hand, not so much for Yo.  I applaud David's contributions to causes.  Yeah, I never really liked him  but I do give him credit for that.  Bottom line is what has Yo done?

Regarding LVP and domestic violence.  If she didn't want to talk about her experience, I get that.  What I do have a problem with is bringing it up after the fact.  I'm glad Eileen brought it up.  It may have been out of the blue but so what?  We need to bring attention to it.  Victims need to hear that they are not alone.  It can happen to anyone.  The problem with LVP is she brought it up when it suited her.  I'm not disparaging what happened to her.  Well, maybe I am.  She used something very serious after the fact to make 'her' seen in a better light.  Sorry, but that's just not 'cool'.