"Oh HELL No!": TV Moments That Make You Irate

[Spartan Girl]

How I Met Your Mother: I just love how an episode that initially calls out Ted for bringing his latest fling to Lily's birthday party without even letting his friends know beforehand and convince her to make the birthday cake, instead of picking up the one for the bakery that Lily asked for, and therefore putting them and her in an awkward position for the whole party...suddenly becomes an episode about how Lily is too judgmental. When Ted is the one constantly inserting his flings into his friends' lives regardless of how they work out and leaving his friends (namely Marshall) to pick up the pieces when the relationship inevitably falls out.

What makes it even more inconsiderate is that Marshall and Lily already ordered and paid for the cake. And Ted basically wasted their money just so he could love bomb this girl into coming to the party and convince her to make the cake herself so she could totally impress all his friends. Ugh.

Edited May 1 by Spartan Girl

[Blergh]

OK, on the old Match Game (1973-1979), one of the regulars Marcia Wallace (Carol from The Bob Newhart Show)  got into some hot water. How?

Well, there was a fill-in-the-[blank] phrase that went something like, "Bob said, 'On my new diet, I lost three inches. Unfortunately not from my waist but from my [blank].'"

Naturally, this totally cracked up the studio audience, players and celebs. When it got to Miss Wallace's spot, all the TV audience got to see was her neighbor Richard Dawson say something like Miss Wallace had an interesting answer. .. then there was a quasi-cuckoo sound with a large video 'OOPS' superimposed over Miss Wallace's evidently too-racy-for-afternoon-television answer [which didn't match the contestant's] before the show awkwardly continued.

Anyway, years later in her autobio, Miss Wallace revealed that the . ..er offending term she'd written was. ...genitalia.

Yep, even though this word can be found in virtually every medical text and English language dictionary under the sun (and this was what every viewer over the age of twelve first thought of when they first heard the phrase - though more likely a specific slang derivative ) - this prompted the producers to make a beeline to her desk and read her the Riot Act spelling out that was NOT 'a Match Game word' and if she didn't agree to NEVER attempt to write that term again, she'd be permanently blacklisted as a panelist on the show! Of course, they edited out that whole  Miss Wallace's nose-in-newspaper segment from the tape so all the viewers got so see was the 'OOPS!' then a junk cut before the show moved on.

I'm no fan of lewd lingo but that anatomical term wasn't even vaguely close, IMO- and the original phrase that the show put forth was by no means in the best taste!

 

[Mabinogia]

14 minutes ago, Blergh said:

I'm no fan of lewd lingo but that anatomical term wasn't even vaguely close, IMO- and the original phrase that the show put forth was by no means in the best taste!

That is kind of surprising given how racy/dirty that show was. Honestly, I loved it as a kid so most of what they were saying/implying went way over my head at the time. Watching it back now (Pluto TV) often has reruns and I'll go on a binge because I love Brett and Charles being all drunk up on the top row and Dickie Dawson being all sexy on the bottom, I see just how far that show pushed the envelope that I'm a bit surprised the network pushed back on genitalia. I guess that was one step too far for them? Wonder if they'd have allowed any of the slang words for it as you could pretend they were referencing other things, like kitties or hot dogs haha

[ABay]

Her mistake was using an adult word instead of baby talk or a double entendre.

[janie jones]

I remember seeing someone, I think Tina Fey, on a talk show once, and she was saying how the people who censored SNL only let them use X number of actual words for things per episode. So they'd make things up, and it would end up seeming raunchier than if they'd used the real word.

I guess the reasoning is if you use a euphemism, there's deniability as to what you're actually talking about?

[Annber03]

7 hours ago, janie jones said:

I remember seeing someone, I think Tina Fey, on a talk show once, and she was saying how the people who censored SNL only let them use X number of actual words for things per episode. So they'd make things up, and it would end up seeming raunchier than if they'd used the real word.

I guess the reasoning is if you use a euphemism, there's deniability as to what you're actually talking about?

There's been a lot of TV show writers who've talked about doing things like that, yeah. They'd put stuff in that they knew full well the censors would absolutely veto, and meanwhile, in the meantime, the stuff they actually did want to sneak through often managed to slip under the radar. 

I remember reading an article once about the weirdest/oddest notes that TV writers received from the higher ups/standeards & practices dept. One writer shared a story about how he got a note from the higher ups of a show saying that they'd used the word "ass" too many times in the script, that that word was only allowed to pop up every so often/every number of pages or something of that sort. 

The note requested that they narrow down when they wanted to use that word, and they made that request by saying, I kid you not: "Please pick your 'ass'." 

The TV writer said they actually framed that note, 'cause that was the funniest thing they'd ever received in the course of their job in television :D. 

Edited May 8 by Annber03

[Blergh]

On 5/6/2024 at 7:38 AM, ABay said:

Her mistake was using an adult word instead of baby talk or a double entendre.

I looked at the episode on YouTube and it seemed everyone else  besides Miss Wallace went with other parts of the anatomy (neck,nose,etc.). Oh well.

I suppose they were trying to use them for euphemisms.

[Ohiopirate02]

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

There's been a lot of TV show writers who've talked about doing things like that, yeah. They'd put stuff in that they knew full well the censors would absolutely veto, and meanwhile, in the meantime, the stuff they actually did want to sneak through often managed to slip under the radar. 

I remember reading an article once about the weirdest/oddest notes that TV writers received from the higher ups/standeards & practices dept. One writer shared a story about how he got a note from the higher ups of a show saying that they'd used the word "ass" too many times in the script, that that word was only allowed to pop up every so often/every number of pages or something of that sort. 

The note requested that they narrow down when they wanted to use that word, and they made that request by saying, I kid you not: "Please pick your 'ass'." 

The TV writer said they actually framed that note, 'cause that was the funniest thing they'd ever received in the course of their job in television :D. 

I remember Lin Manuel Miranda talking about editing Hamilton for Disney+ and how he was only allowed 2 fucks for the entire show in order to get the rating from the MPA that Disney wanted, PG-13.  Three fucks gets you a R rating from the MPA.  

I know TV gets even funkier due to the standards changing for the time slot the show airs on.  As much as I despise Trey Parker and Matt Stone, I bet they have some stories about what the regulators made them cut for South Park and what was allowed.  Somehow I imagine them being more lenient on the episode with all the shits than the one where Chef tells the boys to find the clitoris.  

[Mabinogia]

6 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I remember Lin Manuel Miranda talking about editing Hamilton for Disney+ and how he was only allowed 2 fucks for the entire show in order to get the rating from the MPA that Disney wanted, PG-13.  Three fucks gets you a R rating from the MPA.  

I just don't get the rational of it being okay to say fuck two times, but OMG three times will scar the kiddies for life!!!!! Either allow it to be said or don't. The idea of allowing it but only so many times is ridiculous. 

[janie jones]

I think they said in This Film is Not Yet Rated that if "fuck" is used once as a verb, it's an automatic R.

Of course that movie is way old. Who knows if the MPAA has updated anything.

Edited May 9 by janie jones

[Zella]

I was gonna ask if they made allowances for more fucks now. Because I could have sworn in the 90s, you only got 1 fuck and anymore got you bumped to R, but I might also have just misunderstood the rules.

Edited May 10 by Zella

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

I just don't get the rational of it being okay to say fuck two times, but OMG three times will scar the kiddies for life!!!!! Either allow it to be said or don't. The idea of allowing it but only so many times is ridiculous. 

It really is. Kids have either already heard the word or it'll go right over their head. 

[Bastet]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

Because I could have sworn in the 90s, you only got 1 fuck and anymore got you bumped to R, but I might also have just misunderstood the rules.

The problem is that the rules are unwritten, in terms of specifics.  You have the Title 47 FCC overall guideline, but individual network Standards & Practices rules interpreting and applying that rule are all over the place.  So a network like CBS can heavily skew in one direction.

(The MPAA, covering films instead of TV, has similar problems.)

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Bastet said:

The problem is that the rules are unwritten, in terms of specifics.  You have the Title 47 FCC overall guideline, but individual network Standards & Practices rules interpreting and applying that rule are all over the place.  So a network like CBS can heavily skew in one direction.

(The MPAA, covering films instead of TV, has similar problems.)

That makes sense--thank you! It also dawned on me that I might have been thinking of how basic cable seemed to have a one fuck per season rule about 10-15 years ago. Or at least AMC did because I remember Mad Men and Breaking Bad showrunners talking about being very artful in how they used it each season. LOL

[SVNBob]

16 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

As much as I despise Trey Parker and Matt Stone, I bet they have some stories about what the regulators made them cut for South Park and what was allowed.

They definitely have stories about the South Park movie.  For example:

https://news.lettersofnote.com/p/ps-this-is-my-favorite-memo-ever

[Irlandesa]

22 minutes ago, Zella said:

That makes sense--thank you! It also dawned on me that I might have been thinking of how basic cable seemed to have a one fuck per season rule about 10-15 years ago. Or at least AMC did because I remember Mad Men and Breaking Bad showrunners talking about being very artful in how they used it each season. LOL

Those basic cable rules were network imposed, usually related what advertisers were willing to tolerate or what they thought the advertisers would tolerate.  There really was no reason why they couldn't use more curse words.

[Shrek]

The whole fucking thing with the FCC is fucking stupid. 

We have a 6 year old grandson & some of the words he hears at school & then asks about at home would send the FCC into a tailspin, it certainly raises eyebrows about what some parents say at home in front of their kids. And the grandsons parents are no angels when it comes to swearing around the kids. 

[Browncoat]

This fucking conversation reminded me of this:

 

 

[Shrek]

This is my favourite & the final word on the use of the F word.

[ABay]

One day, I will get this embroidered on a pillow, complete with Bayeux Tapestry-like figures. "Behold the field in which I grow my fucks. Lay thy eyes upon it and ye shall see that it is barren."

[SVNBob]

6 hours ago, ABay said:

One day, I will get this embroidered on a pillow, complete with Bayeux Tapestry-like figures. "Behold the field in which I grow my fucks. Lay thy eyes upon it and ye shall see that it is barren."

Here's a kit for you.

https://handiworkportland.com/products/behold-the-field-in-which-i-grow-my-fvcks

[andromeda331]

10 hours ago, Shrek said:

This is my favourite & the final word on the use of the F word.

That was hilarious! 

[Spartan Girl]

So it's apparently been 10 years since the How I Met Your Mother finale. Am I still pissed off by it?

YOU BET YOUR SWEET BIPPY I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you know what? The alternate ending actually makes it worse! Because we could have had that ending, and in a less cursed timeline we could have only seen the other ending on the DVDs and said, "Oh God, that's how they almost ended it? Ugh, that would have been awful! Can you imagine how pissed off we would have been if after all that buildup about how Tracy/The Mom was Ted's once-in-a-lifetime soulmate, they just killed her off so that he could wind up with Robin after all? Thank goodness the writers still had some brain cells left!"

[Ohiopirate02]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

So it's apparently been 10 years since the How I Met Your Mother finale. Am I still pissed off by it?

YOU BET YOUR SWEET BIPPY I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you know what? The alternate ending actually makes it worse! Because we could have had that ending, and in a less cursed timeline we could have only seen the other ending on the DVDs and said, "Oh God, that's how they almost ended it? Ugh, that would have been awful! Can you imagine how pissed off we would have been if after all that buildup about how Tracy/The Mom was Ted's once-in-a-lifetime soulmate, they just killed her off so that he could wind up with Robin after all? Thank goodness the writers still had some brain cells left!"

I have never sought out the alternate ending.  I realized as the final season was airing that the finale was going to suck.  Didn't know how bad it would suck, but knew the writers were going to fuck it up.  That whole season has got to go down as a prime example of how not to write a season of television.  Twenty whatever episodes of the lead up to Robin and Barney's wedding just for them to undo it in the finale?!?  Then there's Lily giving up on her dream job for Marshall.  That job in Italy was a once in a lifetime type of job where Marshall's judgeship was something he could achieve when he was older.  

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I have never sought out the alternate ending.  I realized as the final season was airing that the finale was going to suck.  Didn't know how bad it would suck, but knew the writers were going to fuck it up.  That whole season has got to go down as a prime example of how not to write a season of television.  Twenty whatever episodes of the lead up to Robin and Barney's wedding just for them to undo it in the finale?!?  Then there's Lily giving up on her dream job for Marshall.  That job in Italy was a once in a lifetime type of job where Marshall's judgeship was something he could achieve when he was older.  

Well, here it is, in case you’re interested.

You’re right that it wouldn’t have fixed everything that was wrong with the final episode, let alone the last three years of the show, but the mother being alive and Ted having evolved to move beyond Robin and the hint that Robin and Barney could get back together? Would’ve helped a lot.

I thought Marshall and Lily still wound up going to Italy.

[BlackberryJam]

3 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I have never sought out the alternate ending.  I realized as the final season was airing that the finale was going to suck.  Didn't know how bad it would suck, but knew the writers were going to fuck it up.  That whole season has got to go down as a prime example of how not to write a season of television.  Twenty whatever episodes of the lead up to Robin and Barney's wedding just for them to undo it in the finale?!?  Then there's Lily giving up on her dream job for Marshall.  That job in Italy was a once in a lifetime type of job where Marshall's judgeship was something he could achieve when he was older.  

They did go to Italy and Marshall became a judge later after going back to corporate law.

Ending still sucked. Robin and Ted were so wrong for each other.

[MadyGirl1987]

1 hour ago, BlackberryJam said:

Ending still sucked. Robin and Ted were so wrong for each other.

They totally were. And the crazy thing is that the show showed us this itself; time after time they showed how incompatible they were and how they wanted different things from life. The creators felt like they had to stick with the ending they had planned and shot with the kids back in season 2, when the smart thing would have been just to scrap it and write an ending that fit where the characters were. Good writers/producers have a plan but are open to changes and evolutions. Look at Monica and Chandler in Friends. From what was supposed to be a one-night-stand in London turned into the best relationship on the show because the writers saw the audience reaction and ran with it.

[BlackberryJam]

On 5/29/2024 at 8:21 PM, MadyGirl1987 said:

They totally were. And the crazy thing is that the show showed us this itself; time after time they showed how incompatible they were and how they wanted different things from life. The creators felt like they had to stick with the ending they had planned and shot with the kids back in season 2, when the smart thing would have been just to scrap it and write an ending that fit where the characters were. Good writers/producers have a plan but are open to changes and evolutions. Look at Monica and Chandler in Friends. From what was supposed to be a one-night-stand in London turned into the best relationship on the show because the writers saw the audience reaction and ran with it.

Yeah…the writers of HIMYM stuck rigidly to an ending, losing the characters that they had developed. 

I remember the writer of Dawson’s Creek saying that as he was writing the finale, he had always planned for Joey to end up with Dawson, but then realized that didn’t work for the characters anymore. So he made the change. 

[Spartan Girl]

5 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

Yeah…the writers of HIMYM stuck rigidly to an ending, losing the characters that they had developed. 

I remember the writer of Dawson’s Creek saying that as he was writing the finale, he had always planned for Joey to end up with Dawson, but then realized that didn’t work for the characters anymore. So he made the change. 

Wow. So even the Dawson’s Creek writers had more sense than the HIMYM ones.

Every time Robin referred to Ted as “the guy I should’ve ended up with” I wanted to smack her hard. She tried to pull that crap years back at the almost wedding with Stella too; the only difference is that back then Ted rightfully called her out on that and told her that he wasn’t her placeholder. Robin didn’t want a guy until she couldn’t have him.

[Zahdii]

The last episode I saw for HIMYM was where where the kids were sitting on the couch listening to the story and the story ended with their mother dying.  Then they brush it all off and say "Dad, what you're really telling us is that you belong with Aunt Robin.  Go get her!"

Then he grabbed the stupid blue horn and rushed off to her place so he could stand outside her window in the rain and show it to her and they smile at each other.

No matter how sweet and loving they showed her to be, it boiled down to her providing the kids Robin couldn't have so Ted and Robin could get married and have a family.  I hated that ending.

[Notabug]

2 hours ago, Zahdii said:

The last episode I saw for HIMYM was where where the kids were sitting on the couch listening to the story and the story ended with their mother dying.  Then they brush it all off and say "Dad, what you're really telling us is that you belong with Aunt Robin.  Go get her!"

Then he grabbed the stupid blue horn and rushed off to her place so he could stand outside her window in the rain and show it to her and they smile at each other.

No matter how sweet and loving they showed her to be, it boiled down to her providing the kids Robin couldn't have so Ted and Robin could get married and have a family.  I hated that ending.

It was really terrible.  It also went against the narrative that Robin was a strong, independent woman who intended to have a very demanding career as a journalist and wanted to travel the world without being tied down to a family.  Meanwhile, Ted wanted the house, the kids, the cozy suburban family life.  That was the fundamental difference they couldn't overcome in the first place.  The revised ending seemed to imply that there was something romantic and wonderful about Robin giving up her life to accommodate Ted and his family.  I presume he wasn't planning to sell the house and ship the kids off to boarding school so he could travel with her and that it would be Robin who would sacrifice her job and life for him.

They also spent years and years telling us what a great match the mother was for Ted, how she was worth waiting for; only to give the relationship maybe 10 minutes of screentime in favor of Ted pining for Robin.

Truly one of the most disappointing series finales ever.

[kathyk2]

On 5/29/2024 at 2:52 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

I have never sought out the alternate ending.  I realized as the final season was airing that the finale was going to suck.  Didn't know how bad it would suck, but knew the writers were going to fuck it up.  That whole season has got to go down as a prime example of how not to write a season of television.  Twenty whatever episodes of the lead up to Robin and Barney's wedding just for them to undo it in the finale?!?  Then there's Lily giving up on her dream job for Marshall.  That job in Italy was a once in a lifetime type of job where Marshall's judgeship was something he could achieve when he was older.  

Barney and Robin were perfect for other I will die on that hill. 

[Spartan Girl]

1 minute ago, kathyk2 said:

Barney and Robin were perfect for other I will die on that hill. 

I’ll join you.

You know what made it worse? Barney went through all that growth to finally commit to a relationship, and all of that was thrown out the window after the divorce? But the second he fathers a child, all his womanizing is finally cured forever?! The implication only babies can fix everything is such bullshit, no matter how brilliant NPH was in that scene.

They could’ve ended with Barney and Robin as a happily childless couple or had them adopt with Robin remaining true to herself while being open to being a mother. Either outcome would’ve been better than what we got.

[Raja]

On 7/27/2022 at 7:36 PM, Dr.OO7 said:

The ease and frequency at which TV cops kill people has disturbed me for years and even moreso recently. Aside from the glaring difference from real life--in which a cop will have to make the decision to shoot someone ONCE in his/her career, if at all, TV cops always get over it instantly instead of being forever haunted by having taken a life. Even if it was truly necessary and the officer in question had no choice, I can't imagine anyone taking it so casually.

That is until the show breaks character and have the very special episode of the cop undergo trauma and PTS after his 22nd shooting. Which brings back memories of the first instance that I can remember.

Starsky and Hutch.

Detective Starsky was a first, plain clothes, not business dress patrolling the streets in an era where TV shooters pulled out a snub nosed 6 shooter and shooting from the hip McGarrett hit people out of rifle range. Paul Michael Glasser had his detective carry a pistol and use two handed shooting techniques, Maybe providing the template for gunfight choreography that became standard for movies and TV 15 years later. 

Then came the very special episode when Internal Affairs is looking at him because a juvenile was killed. In the scene used the opening credit sequence all of  the sudden our first modern tactical shooter, outside of S.W.A.T where they used M-16 rifles, pulls his pistol and first fires a warning shot straight up into the air with no thought of what goes up must come down

Edited June 3 by Raja

[Spartan Girl]

Boy Meets World: Rachel weaseling her way into getting the apartment after she and Jack broke up, even though Jack and Eric were the legal and rightful owners. It really seems shitty to do to them after Jack and Eric were the ones that let her come live with them after her ex-boyfriend dumped her.

Not to mention how completely awful Angela and Topanga were to them, acting like the apartment was theirs and Jack and Eric had no right to complain, even going as far to challenge them to an actual fight over the apartment. Topanga was already being a huge bitch to Cory during this arc, and now she was basically playing the victim to justify beating up Eric and throwing him out of his apartment.

Yes, it was played for laughs, but still.

 

Edited June 7 by Spartan Girl

[Blergh]

@Spartan Girl,  I agree!

 It was a lame, meanspirited plotline which would have [barely] worked had at some point Jack and/or Rachel had revealed that he'd made her a co-leasee with the right to sublease the apartment ( in a moment of passion/weakness) but no one bothered to even attempt to have claimed that- and why Jack didn't just make a beeline to the landlord/ security and had Rachel and company thrown out on their . .ears was a bit much!

OTOH, let's not forget that, previous to this, Jack and Eric had themselves literally physically thrown out Shawn out of their apartment without making the slightest attempt to find an alternate abode for Shawn  (despite Jack having promised their no-good mutual DNA Donor Chet he'd shelter Shawn in his own place) which was played for cheep laffs instead of anyone else including Shawn having raised any real objections to since [when it came to Shawn] parental and guardian abandonment and neglect were considered jokes instead of crimes.

IOW, re Eric (and especially Jack) what went around CAME around . ..

[Spartan Girl]

3 hours ago, Blergh said:

OTOH, let's not forget that, previous to this, Jack and Eric had themselves literally physically thrown out Shawn out of their apartment without making the slightest attempt to find an alternate abode for Shawn  (despite Jack having promised their no-good mutual DNA Donor Chet he'd shelter Shawn in his own place) which was played for cheep laffs instead of anyone else including Shawn having raised any real objections to since [when it came to Shawn] parental and guardian abandonment and neglect were considered jokes instead of crimes.

IOW, re Eric (and especially Jack) what went around CAME around . ..

True. That apartment was ridiculously big enough for four people, they didn’t have to throw out Shawn to make room for Rachel.

But it was still a dick move for Rachel to do that to Jack and Eric, not to mention it also was enabling Topanga’s psychotic behavior.

[Blergh]

On 6/8/2024 at 9:14 PM, Spartan Girl said:

True. That apartment was ridiculously big enough for four people, they didn’t have to throw out Shawn to make room for Rachel.

But it was still a dick move for Rachel to do that to Jack and Eric, not to mention it also was enabling Topanga’s psychotic behavior.

And in that IMO lame sequel series, at one point Topanga got annoyed at Cory so she threw him out of their apartment and locked him out- and he got their young son to let him in via a window. Would anyone not consider Cory. ..or for that matter Jack to have been abusive had either of them thrown out their female spouse/companion out of their abode into the street?

And yet both these were played strictly for laffs . ..

BOO!!!

Edited June 11 by Blergh

[Spartan Girl]

6 hours ago, Blergh said:

And in that IMO lame sequel series, at one point Topanga gets annoyed at Cory so she throws him out of their apartment and locks him out- and he gets their young son to let him in via a window.

Ugh I remember that. All because she made a disgusting looking chicken for dinner that only he was forced to eat and he told her it wasn’t good. And yet Cory was somehow the asshole in that situation just because he was rude about it? Girl, if you thought that chicken was even remotely editable, you deserved that criticism. Sometimes brutal honesty is better than food poisoning.

[Blergh]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Ugh I remember that. All because she made a disgusting looking chicken for dinner that only he was forced to eat and he told her it wasn’t good. And yet Cory was somehow the asshole in that situation just because he was rude about it? Girl, if you thought that chicken was even remotely editable, you deserved that criticism. Sometimes brutal honesty is better than food poisoning.

Yeah, and speaking of cooking, in that GWM Christmas episode when Shawn returned,etc. not only did Topanga get shown throwing a pan directly at Cory for the express intent of destroying one of Cory's prized possessions (the Christmas BFF ornament of himself and Shawn) but also whined  to her family and dinner guests about how she'd spent two days cooking 'And you monsters ate it all in FIVE MINUTES!' without a chuckle or the slightest trace of a smile (instead of considering that that was a sign they'd REALLY liked her food)!  I'll bet she'd have found a way to cry herself a river had they lingered over it or even not eaten it within seconds of her 'ideal' eating time! Truly, GWM Topanga should have just had her family's food catered if there was no pleasin' her re their reactions to it. And, no she NEVER apologized for any of the above  (nor did anyone call her on any of this). Yet she and Cory constantly got touted as having THE ideal marital bond with  the perfect family and having raised the adorable sweet saint Riley! BLEAH! and BALDERDASH!!!!!!

 

[pinkandsparkly13]

On 6/7/2024 at 6:18 PM, Spartan Girl said:

Boy Meets World: Rachel weaseling her way into getting the apartment after she and Jack broke up, even though Jack and Eric were the legal and rightful owners. It really seems shitty to do to them after Jack and Eric were the ones that let her come live with them after her ex-boyfriend dumped her.

Not to mention how completely awful Angela and Topanga were to them, acting like the apartment was theirs and Jack and Eric had no right to complain, even going as far to challenge them to an actual fight over the apartment. Topanga was already being a huge bitch to Cory during this arc, and now she was basically playing the victim to justify beating up Eric and throwing him out of his apartment.

Yes, it was played for laughs, but still.

 

I don't know why Rachel just assumed that Jack was planning on moving out because they broke up. Ummm it's his apartment! All they said to each other was they needed to talk, and the next thing you know Topanga and Angela had already moved in. It was all just stupid. 

[BlueSkies]

Family Matters Like A Virgin episode.  

 

Steve overhears Eddie telling his Dad he's still virgin.  Then proceeds to tell all his friends in front of him in the locker room.  

 

Initially re-watching the episode I thought I would find it super cringe.  I really didn't and thought there was still a decent message overall in the show.  That just seemed really like a crappy thing to do to share such personal information about your friend that didn't even concern Steve in the first place.  

[Spartan Girl]

49 minutes ago, BlueSkies said:

Family Matters Like A Virgin episode.  

 

Steve overhears Eddie telling his Dad he's still virgin.  Then proceeds to tell all his friends in front of him in the locker room.  

 

Initially re-watching the episode I thought I would find it super cringe.  I really didn't and thought there was still a decent message overall in the show.  That just seemed really like a crappy thing to do to share such personal information about your friend that didn't even concern Steve in the first place.  

It actually was a decent episode. I just wish Eddie had told Steve it wasn’t his place to broadcast it over the school, even though there was nothing really to be ashamed of.

And I still thought Steve’s rant about how women should be put on a pedestal and respected was super hypocritical, given how he couldn’t respect Laura’s wishes when she repeatedly told him to butt out of her life.

[Ambrosefolly]

Game of Thrones.

I always, always hated Bronn getting The Reach and Highgarden, just like that. His position as Master of Coin made more sense since political positions are usually based more on connections and not on merit, while made leaders of Houses is based on being  part of families. While his reasoning might have made sense on paper (that some asshole basically "stole" the lands and gave himself a fancy name, so why can't he), put into practice, it would fall apart in a year. And I hate the Lannisters never truly lost, and they don't deserve to "win" by selling a kingdom they have no blood right too. I guess technically through conquest, but with Cersei and her simping enabler Jamie dead and Tyrion now being responsible for the Lannister debt to the Iron Bank, it be on shaky ground. 

Reason I think Bronn is wrong:

1) That asshole stole the land centuries ago, probably before anything was build up. While there has been serious wars, the hierarchies that had been created over the length of time still exist. A few of those houses are related the Tyrells. There might be a Downtown Abbey situation were Mace has a cousin that is in the male line of succession that is definitely going to want the Reach. 

2) Bronn given The Reach represents Lannisters (a totally separate Kingdom) victory of them, and I am sure that won't jive with many of the houses, especially since it was because the Lannisters were the ones that started the conflicts and robbed them. I wouldn't be surprised if Randall Tarly lived, the Reach wouldn't be that jazzed he turned traitor and gave away all their money, and he was one of them. 

Like I said, I dislike the Lannisters. Sure Jaime and Cersei died, but wasn't because of consequences of the unethical shit they did, but because Dany went insane and burned everything to the ground. If Shireen lived and became queen, she might have had a similar fate or even worse one. 

2) He isn't related to anyone in Reach, especially any of the Houses. All the Houses have to do is back Mace's third cousin and take back Highgarden. They make deal with the Iron Bank, and Bronn is dead within year.

3) Bronn would hate being the Lord of the Reach because he would have to do social and intellectual work. He has street smarts, but I highly doubt he would sit in Highgarden hall and listen to every man come to him with their problems. And he again, doesn't have a family, like how Olenna was probably ruling in Mace's stead.

4)Bronn's assessment of how the Great Lords became the Great Lords is too simplistic. I look to the Free Folk cultural, because I believe they are the ones that mostly preserved how the First Men did things. While I am sure there were many conquest wars with one side subduing the others, you see with the Free Folk they will choose someone with great leaderships skills as well. 

I hate it because it shows how lazy and rushed D & D got near the end since the first few seasons showed the stratgeries how low born got to power.

Edited July 25 by Ambrosefolly

[JustHereForFood]

I hated Bronn by the end. I also think they missed the mark in several moments in the last episode, especially with some stupid jokes. (Yes, it's GoT, insensitive jokes are to be expected, but these were just stupid.) One of the moments I hated was how Tyrion started to talk about his stupid unfinished joke from season 1. I don't know why I got so hung up on that moment, lol. It occurred to me for a second that hey, they are trying to make it look like the good old times from around season 2 when we all loved the show. Tyrion is joking, Bronn is there for some fucking reason, we just need Varys to... oh, wait, never mind.

[Is Everyone Gone]

In S3 of Bridgerton when they decided to write Anthony and Kate off AGAIN by having them go to India while Kate was heavily pregnant. Um did they not consider how treacherous and long of a sea voyage that would be? 

I know Jonathan Bailey had very limited availability in S3 because he was filming elsewhere but they could have had them to got the countryside, instead of on this dangerous, unrealistic trip.

[andromeda331]

On 7/24/2024 at 2:11 PM, Is Everyone Gone said:

In S3 of Bridgerton when they decided to write Anthony and Kate off AGAIN by having them go to India while Kate was heavily pregnant. Um did they not consider how treacherous and long of a sea voyage that would be? 

I know Jonathan Bailey had very limited availability in S3 because he was filming elsewhere but they could have had them to got the countryside, instead of on this dangerous, unrealistic trip.

I wondered that too. I don't think the writers remembered how long and dangerous the trip to India would be. No way Kate would want to do that pregnant.

[Spartan Girl]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: So I’ve already ranted at length about Xander’s shitty post cheating/breakup behavior towards Cordelia, but there’s one red flag moment at the beginning of season 3 that I think has been forgotten. In the season premiere, he and Cordy are having some stupid teen spat t because neither of them will admit how much they missed each other. Believing that Cordy must have cheated on him like the jealous possessive petty asshole he is, he decides to use her as live bait for the Scoobies’ latest plan to catch vamps in Buffy’s absence.

WHAT.

THE. 

FUCK?!?!

You read that right. Xander wants to put Cordy in danger just to get back at her for her supposed cheating—which she didn’t.

And when Cordy understandably demands what will happen if the plan goes awry, Xander replies “You die and we rejoice.”

This is a million times worse than the love spell episode. But just like the love spell episode, Xander and Cordy make up and ignore just how fucked up what he tried to do really was!!!!

*stands back and waits with a dead look and cigarette a la Ben Affleck for Xander’s defenders to try to excuse this one*

Edited September 13 by Spartan Girl

[Affogato]

Xander is presented in the show as a messed up kid. Cordelia as well. All of them. The show never was about perfect justice. At the time a lot of young people —i remember the boards—used examples like this to understand how they felt about issues.  Tempers rose and heated words were exchanged. But the point isn’t to act out a perfect scenario where, if someone acts badly, they get what is coming to them. 
 

Cordelia had low self esteem and Xander was insecure and messed up. I don’t remember the episode all that clearly, maybe sometime I will watch it again. But this seems pretty much believable for the  characters as I remember it.
 

Edited September 13 by Affogato

[Spartan Girl]

Nothing Cordy did or said in that episode justified Xander forcing her to be bait out of spite. NOTHING.