The Nightly Show With Larry Wilmore - General Discussion

[wknt3]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

Yard's detriment to the panel was on display. This isn't the first time Robin came out with something written down that she wanted to talk about on the panel. He's talking about how he's out of a job and can help build the wall. 

So are they all endorsing Clinton now because the show is over?

Larry has come to his senses since the conventions as I've mentioned before. I do wish he'd been more insightful on this earlier, but it's not a new thing. Mike Yard wasn't going to try to push his "All Lies Matter" schtick after Larry's opening destroyed his argument and left nothing but a pile of smoking ashes.

[gesundheit]

I'm so sad about this. The show could be inconsistent, but so could Colbert and Stewart. I loved the panels. I find it inexplicable that anyone would think the appeal wasn't broad enough -- the demographic was "liberal," which certainly kept The Daily Show and The Colbert Report going with big numbers for years. That's disturbing to me that actually sometimes talking about topics specific to black people meant that the show was somehow being too narrow for people. I also think during the primaries it was necessary to have one late-night political comedy show that was leaning Sanders. There's nothing wrong with that. And except for the male panelists (as mentioned above) (and NOT including Larry!), the show has definitely pivoted since the primaries ended to being as pro-Clinton as they can without looking like they'd been lying for months. I'm a little sad that last night was mostly clips, I'm going to need my two more days of new content! I'm so glad they didn't cut the panel though. That said, can anyone jog my memory about that clip of the woman at the graduation ceremony talking about "all the black people are leaving?" I've seen most of the episodes of TNS but I did take a brief break while they were retooling a while back (I really hated the Keep it 100 segment).

[ganesh]

I could have done without a clip show. I would have been more interested in the cast talking about the clips and what challenges they had, etc. 

[possibilities]

I'll also miss Larry's Flint and Cosby coverage.

[marceline]

19 hours ago, ganesh said:

I could have done without a clip show. I would have been more interested in the cast talking about the clips and what challenges they had, etc. 

Agreed but it did remind me of some of the places Larry did really well. That dinner with the gang leaders was inspired. It was the type of thing we didn't get from anyone else in journalism or entertainment. I remember all the talk about the gang members declaring a truce but, of course, most of the media claimed it was so they could kill cops. Larry pulled the lid right off that bullshit. There's a show out there for Larry but this one just wasn't it. He might be better off with something like W. Kamau Bell's United Shades of America.

Edited August 18, 2016 by marceline

[Victor the Crab]

I'd like to hope that Jon would come on the last show Thursday and attempt to give Larry the same pep talk David Letterman gave him on the final show of The Jon Stewart Show. And that Larry would just brush it off, saying "I'll be fine Jon, seriously!"

[Arcadiasw]

10 hours ago, gesundheit said:

That said, can anyone jog my memory about that clip of the woman at the graduation ceremony talking about "all the black people are leaving?" I've seen most of the episodes of TNS but I did take a brief break while they were retooling a while back (I really hated the Keep it 100 segment).

The graduates had received their diplomas and the processional music started when the principal remembered the Valedictorian hadn’t given his speech. The principal stopped the music and told everyone sit back down. As the Valedictorian spoke, someone came to the stage with his iPad. The principal chastised the man and got security to escort him out when he wouldn’t sit down. Other people started to leave and cue her "all the black people are leaving."

 

I have to say of all the graduations I've been in and attended, I've never been to one where the diplomas came before the Valedictorian and Salutatorian speeches. 

[Arcadiasw]

Ricky can forget The Daily Show hiring him. Rory might have a chance going back. 

Love Lewis Black.

[ganesh]

Ricky looked like he was out of it. Was he just draining the minis? Because it looked like he was and the camera just cut away. 

[marceline]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

Ricky looked like he was out of it. Was he just draining the minis? Because it looked like he was and the camera just cut away. 

Ricky said that he has a xanax prescription and he was drinking like a fish. Add that to Rory's statement that Ricky's been giving him drugs since the cancellation announcement, I think the pieces have fallen into place.

[marceline]

18 hours ago, Victor the Crab said:

I'd like to hope that Jon would come on the last show Thursday...

 

You win!

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/18/jon-stewart-larry-wilmore-nightly-show-finale

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, marceline said:

Ricky said that he has a xanax prescription and he was drinking like a fish. Add that to Rory's statement that Ricky's been giving him drugs since the cancellation announcement, I think the pieces have fallen into place.

Not quite the professionalism one would expect.

[LADreamr]

It's about as much professionalism as we can expect from Ricky.  I'll miss the show, but not him.

[possibilities]

I liked the opioid addiction story they did. I wonder if it was something they were working on before cancellation, or what happened. It seemed a lot different than their usual presentation. Maybe a staffer had it from some non-show project and they decided to air it because why not?

[marceline]

9 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I liked the opioid addiction story they did. I wonder if it was something they were working on before cancellation, or what happened. It seemed a lot different than their usual presentation. Maybe a staffer had it from some non-show project and they decided to air it because why not?

I thought that maybe it was a work in progress that they hurried up to finish so it could make it to air.

[wknt3]

8 hours ago, ganesh said:

Ricky looked like he was out of it. Was he just draining the minis? Because it looked like he was and the camera just cut away. 

 

5 hours ago, marceline said:

Ricky said that he has a xanax prescription and he was drinking like a fish. Add that to Rory's statement that Ricky's been giving him drugs since the cancellation announcement, I think the pieces have fallen into place.

Perhaps it's possible that Ricky and Rory have not been popping pills and were just joking about a depressing situation? And that Ricky might be dealing with some combination of pain with his hand, dealing with his first cancellation, and a topic that doesn't play to his strengths? Personally I thought Lewis Black seemed a bit off as he has for his last couple appearances I've seen. I hope he's feeling OK.

[Victor the Crab]

On ‎17‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 8:36 PM, Victor the Crab said:

I'd like to hope that Jon would come on the last show Thursday and attempt to give Larry the same pep talk David Letterman gave him on the final show of The Jon Stewart Show. And that Larry would just brush it off, saying "I'll be fine Jon, seriously!"

 

8 hours ago, marceline said:

 

You win!

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/18/jon-stewart-larry-wilmore-nightly-show-finale

Yes, YEEEEESSSS!!!!! My wish came true!

[maraleia]

Everything Larry and Jon were saying about the impact that the show made on society was so on point. I especially loved his explanation of the map of the world because I think of it that way too. I'm so pissed people didn't get where this show was going or appreciate Larry's mission. I really hope HBO snatches him up.

[Unusual Suspect]

I'm going to miss this show. It was hit-or-miss, but I have to agree that it achieved its primary objective. And I'm going to miss all the contributors.

[Delwyn]

Larry and his emotional voice wobble while talking about their mission gave me a wobble of my own. Jon Stewart turning up to laud Larry's accomplishments was really sweet and much deserved. 

[wknt3]

On 8/17/2016 at 8:36 PM, Victor the Crab said:

I'd like to hope that Jon would come on the last show Thursday and attempt to give Larry the same pep talk David Letterman gave him on the final show of The Jon Stewart Show. And that Larry would just brush it off, saying "I'll be fine Jon, seriously!"

Looks like you got your wish. Even a reference to that classic final show (for anyone who hasn't seen it I highly recommend it for anyone interested in either of them or late night television in general https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Y8egU_McA )

I really liked this finale. It was a good mix of serious and silly, avoiding being either sullen and maudlin or completely frivolous and not acknowledging what needed to be addressed. I hope we see more from this crew soon. As a viewer it's going to be weird for me - I would never have though a few years ago that there would be an election and I'd not be regularly watching Comedy Central's late night programming. I can't even imagine what it must be like for those involved.

[marceline]

That cut to Rory and Holly in bed was kind of everything. The idea that they've been the will they/won't they couple who finally gets together at the end is perfect. They really do work well off each other.

I look forward to seeing what Larry does next.

Honestly, nobody does a fond farewell like Comedy Central. I want these folks to plan my funeral.

Edited August 19, 2016 by marceline

[Arcadiasw]

Week went back fast. I get Mike. Finds his dream job. While he plans his dream vacation, he's fired. A lot of people have been in his shoes but he'll bounce back. 

[nodorothyparker]

7 hours ago, maraleia said:

Everything Larry and Jon were saying about the impact that the show made on society was so on point. I especially loved his explanation of the map of the world because I think of it that way too. I'm so pissed people didn't get where this show was going or appreciate Larry's mission. I really hope HBO snatches him up.

I'm certainly not one to immediately take everything Jon says as gospel, but what he was saying really brought home that this is why Jon wanted Larry to take over Colbert's spot and that what we saw was more or less what they had been hoping to accomplish from the beginning.  It makes me sad/mad all over again that Comedy Central wouldn't give the show more time to see what it could have evolved into.  Anybody who's been around long enough to remember the first years of Stewart or Colbert knows that they took their own sweet time to become what they were.  Some things aren't working?  You want the show to have more a social media presence?  Fine, tell them that and see what they come up with instead of killing one of the few truly unique voices on TV and basically halving the chances of your network's election coverage being successful three months before the election. 

I mean, it's not lost on me that I've seen more interviews and think pieces about the show in the four days since the cancellation was so abruptly announced than I think I have in its entire run when one of the big complaints that supposedly led to this was the lack of media buzz.

Edited August 19, 2016 by nodorothyparker

[gesundheit]

I'm so damn sad. It killed me to see Larry get choked up when talking about the upside down globe and when Jon was talking to him. One of the interviews with Larry this week had him talking about how little cross-promotion CC did between him and Trevor, which is so true and absolutely ridiculous. Stewart and Colbert were basically symbiotic shows and that made it basically a two-part hour-long show for most viewers. These two were so isolated and it made no sense. When Trevor mentioned the Nightly Show's departure on TDS last night it was actually jarring because it's like they happened in two different paradigms. They should have done Trevor throwing the show to Larry the way Jon/Stephen used to do, with occasional visits, etc. It's not a long walk! Holly and Rory in the bed was pretty perfect, though. Damn. SO BUMMED!

[possibilities]

Jon put on a tie for this. You know he was serious. I've seen him speak in a number of serious places where he didn't do that.

[attica]

Don't leeeeeeeeeaaaaaave meeeeeee, Larry!

::pulls self together::  Wonderful finale. I liked that Holly and Rory had freaking leopard print sheets. Rrowr!  I loved the explication of Rory's mustache collection. I loved Robin's excitement over the Kravitz-dong clip. I loved seeing Jon come by, like a rabbi giving a benediction. (Dusty in here! Onions! Allergies! I'm not crying, you are!) If I were changing anything, I'd've liked to see some crew get some love.

I agree that the show achieved its goal. I have a relative who lives in a rural redstate, who, because of Larry, has begun recognizing stuff as 'cray.' And that kind of thing cannot be undone.

Sigh.

::throws kisses to fellow ptv TNS posters:: Good to be with you here, my peeps.

[catrox14]

Man, not gonna even lie. I was misty eyed. I might miss Holly Walker the most and certainly as much as Larry. 

I hope Larry and his merry band of lunatics find themselves  another environment. I need him to keep doing what he does and that he doesn't let us forget about all those m'fers.  Goodnightly, Larry.

Edited August 19, 2016 by catrox14

[khyber]

and now to remove this show from my list.......

[Hooper]

Not much to say here that hasn't already been said, but add me to the white lady of a certain age demographic that greatly appreciated TNS for providing me with a different perspective on the world.  My best wishes to Larry and all the correspondents in their future endeavors. 

And I managed not to sniffle right up until Jon referred to Letterman as "a wise person".  I like Letterman ok, but I'm not a huge fan.  It just seemed awfully sweet (Jon being sweet? Quelle suprise!) to me that after all these years Jon still remembered and took to heart Dave's pep talk back in the day, and was paying if forward now.

[iMonrey]

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Everything Larry and Jon were saying about the impact that the show made on society was so on point. 

Was it though? I hate to be the cynic in the room and sure it was great of Stewart to show up. But I'm skeptical of any such "impact" Larry's brief time on the air actually ever had. People thought Arsenio Hall was groundbreaking back in the day too and look where he is now. If this show really did have some kind of national impact that "started a conversation" I think it would still be on the air, so I think it's a bit generous and a bit of wishful thinking to attribute more to this show than it actually accomplished. I know the fans liked what they were putting out there but there simply weren't enough of them to sustain the show, period.

That said, I watched Trevor Noah for the first time in many months and can honestly say Larry Wilmore had the stronger show of the two. I guess Comedy Central is more invested in fixing the Daily Show brand than in honing something new with Wilmore.

[marceline]

19 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Was it though? I hate to be the cynic in the room and sure it was great of Stewart to show up. But I'm skeptical of any such "impact" Larry's brief time on the air actually ever had. People thought Arsenio Hall was groundbreaking back in the day too and look where he is now. If this show really did have some kind of national impact that "started a conversation" I think it would still be on the air, so I think it's a bit generous and a bit of wishful thinking to attribute more to this show than it actually accomplished. I know the fans liked what they were putting out there but there simply weren't enough of them to sustain the show, period.

That said, I watched Trevor Noah for the first time in many months and can honestly say Larry Wilmore had the stronger show of the two. I guess Comedy Central is more invested in fixing the Daily Show brand than in honing something new with Wilmore.

I think Larry did some good work. The fact is that there's no such thing as a national conversation. All conversations are niche conversation. But I have no doubt that Bill Cosby will be hearing "We haven't forgotten about you, motherfucker" for the rest of his life. 

[possibilities]

They were getting 700,000 viewers -- small for TV, but that's more people than I've personally talked with in my life, I'm certain.

I notice that in the show post mortems several outlets have referred to his WHCD speech, saying it was "poorly received"-- but I saw a lot of positive reaction to it, in the places I consider most intelligent and important. So, it's all relative to whose opinion you value, and who you are conversing with.

Also, I think it's important to a lot of people to hear that Jon Stewart liked the show, and thought it was important. That will help the people who worked on it, not only to absorb the disappointment of the cancellation, but also to get new job offers.

I looked back and read some of my forum posts with my reactions to the early days of this show. I truly hated it and dropped out of watching for a while. But they improved it dramatically over time, and corrected many of the things I found disappointing. In the end, I thought it was much better than most of what's out there, and I think that they did some things well that no one else was even trying to do. So I will miss it, and I agree with Jon's view that what they did was important.

[Unusual Suspect]

Here's a list of things that I am glad the Nightly Show gave to me:

1. Incognegro. That one word had me in stitches.
2. "We haven't forgotten about you M*F*." Oh, yes, thank you Larry for hammering Cosby, and then Ailes on this.
3. I'm not shipper, but Rory and Holly? Hilarious.
4. Actually, all the contributors. I will definitely be interested in seeing what they do next.
5. Pardon the Integration. Definitely one of the better recurring segments.

I'm sure I'm forgetting others, but these I will cherish.

[fauxphysician]

Onions?? allergies??? Mist in the air???--hell no! I was flat out bawling.  I've loved the show from the start and weathered its growing pains with only a few complaints. With the cancellation announcement I decided to tape these last four episodes and view them all together.  Was okay till Jon appeared.....sigh

It is ironic that the show's gotten so much attention and appreciation these past fwe days. I think Jon's right-- the conversation Larry started is far from over.....IF we can keep it going

[PJ123]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

That said, I watched Trevor Noah for the first time in many months and can honestly say Larry Wilmore had the stronger show of the two. I guess Comedy Central is more invested in fixing the Daily Show brand than in honing something new with Wilmore.

Maybe but also Trevor is younger and CC wants to appeal to Millennials and younger demo.  

[marceline]

2 hours ago, Unusual Suspect said:

I'm not shipper, but Rory and Holly? Hilarious.

The more I've thought about it, the more I want Rory and Holly to do another project together. Maybe they can guest on Brooklyn Nine Nine or something. They can be bickering cops who are married and act as a cautionary tale to Jake and Amy. Or maybe they can pop on over to The Carmichael Show as neighbors. I feel like Loretta Divine and Holly Walker could rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime. 

[Hanahope]

The correspondents on this show were great.  I'm definitely going to be keeping my eyes and ears open for their future projects.

I truly wish CC would have kept the show on one more year at least, through the elections.

[trow125]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Was it though? I hate to be the cynic in the room and sure it was great of Stewart to show up. But I'm skeptical of any such "impact" Larry's brief time on the air actually ever had. People thought Arsenio Hall was groundbreaking back in the day too and look where he is now.

My sense was that Jon was speaking as much about the staff of TNS as he was about the viewers of the show. And I think he's right -- the young on-air talent like Grace, Franchesca, and even Ricky no doubt learned a lot from Larry and considered him a mentor of sorts, and I'm sure so did the behind-the-scenes folk. They will go on to create their own projects now and some of them will undoubtedly be in the spirit of TNS. Some will most likely join the staffs of other comedy TV shows and bring along their experience of what worked & what didn't. I'm going to keep following my favorites on social media to see what they'll do next. 

My one disappointment of the final week: no last appearance by "Donald Trump." I'm going to miss Bob DiBuono's brilliant impression too!

Edited August 19, 2016 by trow125

[Kromm]

7 hours ago, marceline said:

I think Larry did some good work. The fact is that there's no such thing as a national conversation. All conversations are niche conversation. But I have no doubt that Bill Cosby will be hearing "We haven't forgotten about you, motherfucker" for the rest of his life. 

Every time he walks outside, I guess (although allegedly he's now "blind" and house bound). 

4 hours ago, PJ123 said:

Maybe but also Trevor is younger and CC wants to appeal to Millennials and younger demo.  

Actually I think he was just on a half-hour earlier (so had a bigger audience still awake), had the legacy show name, only conflicted for the most part with people's local news, and didn't have a show overtly purposed to take on race issues.  So he was blander and easier to take.

[ganesh]

I actually think the show stuck too much to the mainstream stories to its detriment, and I wonder if that was a network influence. When they did stories about issues that don't really get covered, I thought they were strongest. 

I really think having to change the name from The Minority report really started them off on the wrong foot. 

[Skyfall]

21 hours ago, marceline said:

The more I've thought about it, the more I want Rory and Holly to do another project together. Maybe they can guest on Brooklyn Nine Nine or something. They can be bickering cops who are married and act as a cautionary tale to Jake and Amy. Or maybe they can pop on over to The Carmichael Show as neighbors. I feel like Loretta Divine and Holly Walker could rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime. 

If any show needs the Wilmore touch it's Carmichael.

[Kromm]

6 hours ago, Skyfall said:

If any show needs the Wilmore touch it's Carmichael.

Did that actually manage another renewal?

[Victor the Crab]

On ‎2016‎-‎08‎-‎17 at 8:36 PM, Victor the Crab said:

I'd like to hope that Jon would come on the last show Thursday and attempt to give Larry the same pep talk David Letterman gave him on the final show of The Jon Stewart Show. And that Larry would just brush it off, saying "I'll be fine Jon, seriously!"

Yay, I called it. Nice when something actually sticks.

[iMonrey]

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I really think having to change the name from The Minority report really started them off on the wrong foot. 

Why? The show was cancelled because it didn't reach a wide enough audience and what you're suggesting is narrowing its appeal even more. I get that the quality of the show might have been better but at the end of the day all Comedy Central is interested in is higher ratings. 

[wknt3]

Just rewatched Jon Stewart on the finale and I am more convinced than ever that if we was still on the air TNS would be too. He is such an eloquent advocate for the potential and need for such a show. I believe that the ratings would be higher with him as the lead in, actively promoting the show and with their biggest star so passionate they would have stuck with it.

[Arcadiasw]

Really wish TNS was on through the election. Would've loved to see Larry's response to Trump's recent speech to African Americans and what they have to lose.

[Lantern7]

I DVRed SyFy's 10-minute coverage of Comic-Con. Turns out SyFy Wire is where Jordan Carlos wound up. I just thought I'd mention that. Also, I thought he was a "correspondent" on The Opposition. Thank goodness for online search engines.

[Lantern7]

Robin Thede's sketch show launches tonight on HBO. I might have to give that a look. and I didn't know she was head writer on TNS.

[Queena]

I miss this show. The unblackening really happened. I find his podcast not very interesting.